If Wiggins gets 19 on 42% vs Boston (Pippen's Finals averages), Warriors lose

[3ba11]

Wiggins averaged 0.8 turnovers vs Dallas compared to 3 to 4 for Pippen, so that offsets the assist numbers

Pippen-caliber of 19 on 42% is less than Pandemic P's 21 on 45% vs Denver - this normally isn't considered enough talent to win a single title, let alone 6..

So Wiggins can't drop the ball and play like a bum (pippen)

[Axe]

1-9

2/7

6-16

[SATAN]

1-9

[Phoenix]

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[1987_Lakers]

What are Wiggins averages so far?

[3ba11]

What are Wiggins averages so far?


Worse than Pippen's and the Warriors are a long ways from winning. You bumped the thread a few games too early and now you'll look silly when it doesn't require bumping at all

[1987_Lakers]

Worse than Pippen's and the Warriors are a long ways from winning. You bumped the thread a few games too early and now you'll look silly when it doesn't require bumping at all

If Curry wins, Wiggins will not average those Pippen numbers, they will be worse. Meaning it will be a bigger carry job than MJ. If he loses, you will have a meltdown.

:djparty

[Phoenix]

Worse than Pippen's and the Warriors are a long ways from winning. You bumped the thread a few games too early and now you'll look silly when it doesn't require bumping at all

So basically like last week when you called the ECFs in favor of the Heat at 2-2.

[Shooter]

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5K9P7LN/3ball-the-troll.png[/QUOTE]

:roll::roll:

[plowking]

3ball argues like a child.

Literally clings to the next thing after one point gets destroyed. Random arbitrary pocket of stats selected in his next spastic argument in a game filled with them. But this here.... this little cluster here... this makes MJ the GOAT. Him being able to average 34.3ppg, while his next best player averaged 17.3ppg on a Wednesday while not being the primary ball defender, in an equal load offence while having an exact equal split of 60-40 of players above and below 6 foot 8 in the team. Until someone can do it better... they ain't better than MJ.

[Phoenix]

3ball argues like a child.

Literally clings to the next thing after one point gets destroyed. Random arbitrary pocket of stats selected in his next spastic argument in a game filled with them. But this here.... this little cluster here... this makes MJ the GOAT. Him being able to average 34.3ppg, while his next best player averaged 17.3ppg on a Wednesday while not being the primary ball defender, in an equal load offence while having an exact equal split of 60-40 of players above and below 6 foot 8 in the team. Until someone can do it better... they ain't better than MJ.

I've been saying this all along. He creates arbitrary metrics based on what MJ has done, and then disqualifies everyone based on them not meeting those metrics, then declared himself the 'winner' of the argument for criteria that he sets. A 5 year old could see through that bullshit.

'The GOAT must average 30.1ppg while winning the championship with a 2nd option who averages 10ppg or less than him"

Anyone could come up with their own set of metrics and it be no less correct than his, but 'reasonable' people for the most part don't argue like that.

[3ba11]

I've been saying this all along. He creates arbitrary metrics based on what MJ has done, and then disqualifies everyone based on them not meeting those metrics, then declared himself the 'winner' of the argument for criteria that he sets. A 5 year old could see through that bullshit.

'The GOAT must average 30.1ppg while winning the championship with a 2nd option who averages 10ppg or less than him"

Anyone could come up with their own set of metrics and it be no less correct than his, but 'reasonable' people for the most part don't argue like that.


It's simple:



1) Be capable of defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in the playoffs and Finals of title run).. This requires elite jumpshooting skill and a good brand of ball at high scoring levels (the high scoring should be partially-assisted to promote ball movement)

2) learn to win, aka organic (this requires being good at teammate fits, teammate development, chemistry and brand of ball)


^^^ this is the simplest and.most intuitive goat criteria there is - simply defeat maximum defensive attention and learn to win (organic)... :confusedshrug:

It's a 100% pure basketball-based goat criteria..no media awards.. no Finals record stuff

[Phoenix]

It's simple:

1) Be capable of defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in the playoffs and Finals of title run).. This requires elite jumpshooting skill a good brand of ball and a good brand of ball at high scoring levels.

2) learn to win, aka organic (requires being good at teammate fits, teammate development, chemistry and brand of ball)


^^^ this is the simplest and.most intuitive goat criteria there is - defeat maximum defensive attention and learn to win (organic)

So basically, your retort is to do exactly what I said you do..........create your own criteria then act like it's the only criteria that has any merit. Plowking said it right, you argue like a child. Actually I'm not sure that's even accurate, because a 5 year old can see through that bullshit. YOUR subjective criteria isn't absolute, and anyone else can come up with their own metrics and it's no more or less valid than yours. You either pretend you don't understand that concept, or you're as uneducated as you try to argue others are for not understanding your argument. We understand it just fine, so there's no need to regurgitate the talking points and slap the 'it's simple' sticker on it. They're simply full of agenda, loopholes and contradiction and again, YOUR criteria. You can't and never will admit to being wrong, so you're not interested in debate, merely talking at someone. Any attempt at rationed discourse is an instant dead-end.

[3ba11]

So basically, your retort is to do exactly what I said you do..........create your own criteria then act like it's the only criteria that has any merit. Plowking said it right, you argue like a child. Actually I'm not sure that's even accurate, because a 5 year old can see through that bullshit. YOUR subjective criteria isn't absolute, and anyone else can come up with their own metrics and it's no more or less valid than yours. You either pretend you don't understand that concept, or you're as uneducated as you try to argue others are for not understanding your argument. We understand it just fine, so there's no need to regurgitate the talking points and slap the 'it's simple' sticker on it. They're simply full of agenda, loopholes and contradiction and again, YOUR criteria. You can't and never will admit to being wrong, so you're not interested in debate, merely talking at someone. Any attempt at rationed discourse is an instant dead-end.


Defeating maximum defensive attention isn't my criteria

It's basketball and if you can't defeat maximum defensive attention, then you're inferior someone that can

Ditto for learning to win (organic).. if you never learned the teammate fits, chemistry and brand of ball to win organically, then you don't know how to win.. Forming all-star teams is TALENT-BASED WINNING and inferior to guys that won via brand of ball (organic)

[Phoenix]

Defeating maximum defensive attention isn't my criteria

It's basketball and if you can't defeat maximum defensive attention, then you're inferior someone that can

Ditto for learning to win (organic).. if you never learned the teammate fits, chemistry and brand of ball to win organically, then you don't know how to win.. Forming all-star teams is TALENT-BASED WINNING and inferior to guys that won via brand of ball (organic)

:roll:

'If you can't defeat maximum attention, then X,Y,Z'. That.......is a criteria. YOUR criteria. You've mastered responding and saying nothing, or saying something more stupid than the original comment. This would be the latter.

[ShawkFactory]

:roll:

'If you can't defeat maximum attention, then X,Y,Z'. That.......is a criteria. YOUR criteria. You've mastered responding and saying nothing, or saying something more stupid than the original comment. This would be the latter.

Not only did he make up the "defeating maximum defensive attention" thing, but he made up the criteria for that. So he's making up criteria for his criteria and you're expecting to have an actual discussion about it.

Funny stuff.

[Phoenix]

Not only did he make up the "defeating maximum defensive attention" thing, but he made up the criteria for that. So he's making up criteria for his criteria and you're expecting to have an actual discussion about it.

Funny stuff.

Precisely. He coins the term 'defeating maximum attention', and then defines that as 'by outscoring your 2nd option by 10ppg' because that was typically what MJ scored moreso than Pippen. This is literally the very definition of setting a criteria and trying to dominate the rules of engagement. It would be like me arguing that the greatest food ever has a crust, tomato sauce, mozarella cheese, and Pepperoni....and I subsequently declare myself the winner of the argument because no other food adheres to the terms I alone established as the measuring stick. Clumsy analogy but you get my point.

[3ba11]

:roll:

'If you can't defeat maximum attention, then X,Y,Z'. That.......is a criteria. YOUR criteria. You've mastered responding and saying nothing, or saying something more stupid than the original comment. This would be the latter.


It's BASKETBALL

defeating maximum defensive attention is the toughest caliber of offensive BASKETBALL

Jordan and Kobe achieved it multiple times, while others had one-offs like 15' Curry, 84' Bird, 00' Shaq, 11' Dirk and 03' Duncan... 19' Kawhi was as close as you can get

Defeating maximum defensive attention requires elite jumpshooting skill, which Lebron lacks .. And defeating good teams with high scoring requires a good brand of ball, which Lebron lacks at high scoring levels, and therefore needs equal-scoring partners (no max defensive attention)

[SouBeachTalents]

It's BASKETBALL

defeating maximum defensive attention is the toughest caliber of offensive BASKETBALL

Jordan and Kobe achieved it multiple times, while others had one-offs like 15' Curry, 84' Bird, 00' Shaq, 11' Dirk and 03' Duncan... 19' Kawhi was as close as you can get

Defeating maximum defensive attention requires elite jumpshooting skill, which Lebron lacks .. And defeating good teams with high scoring requires a good brand of ball, which Lebron lacks at high scoring levels, and therefore needs equal-scoring partners (no max defensive attention)
LeBron actually did it in 2013. And you can’t even cherry pick the Finals cause then Dirk & Kawhi get disqualified.

[Phoenix]

It's BASKETBALL

defeating maximum defensive attention is the toughest caliber of offensive BASKETBALL

Jordan and Kobe achieved it multiple times, while others had one-offs like 15' Curry, 84' Bird, 00' Shaq, 11' Dirk and 03' Duncan... 19' Kawhi was as close as you can get

Defeating maximum defensive attention requires elite jumpshooting skill, which Lebron lacks .. And defeating good teams with high scoring requires a good brand of ball, which Lebron lacks at high scoring levels, and therefore needs equal-scoring partners (no max defensive attention)

Per your criteria.

[AlternativeAcc.]

LeBron actually did it in 2013. And you can’t even cherry pick the Finals cause then Dirk & Kawhi get disqualified.

He'll bring up the comp and ignore curry played all injured teams and Lakers had to go through Pippen-led Blazers (Pippens a scrub right?)

[3ba11]

LeBron actually did it in 2013. And you can’t even cherry pick the Finals cause then Dirk & Kawhi get disqualified.


^^^ that's fine - they're disqualified

People forget that losing the Finals means you wouldn't make the Finals in the other conference, aka Finals appearances are conference-dependant and the stats before the Finals are conference-dependant too.

So only the Finals stats matter, and Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention on this level (never carried scoring load in Finals)

If you can't carry the scoring load while beating a Finals team, then you're nowhere near guys that did (MJ, Bird, Kobe)

[Phoenix]

LeBron actually did it in 2013. And you can’t even cherry pick the Finals cause then Dirk & Kawhi get disqualified.

Over the course of the playoffs, and game 6 and 7, both Miami wins.

[Phoenix]

^^^ that's fine - they're disqualified

People forget that losing the Finals means you wouldn't make the Finals in the other conference, aka Finals appearances are conference-dependant and the stats before the Finals are conference-dependant too.

So only the Finals stats matter, and Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention on this level (never carried scoring load in Finals)

If you can't carry the scoring load while beating a Finals team, then you're nowhere near guys that did (MJ, Bird, Kobe)

Whoops, guess no more top 10 for either. :lol

I imagine the only thing that changes more than your top 10 are your prescriptions.

[3ba11]

Over the course of the playoffs, and game 6 and 7, both Miami wins.


Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit, while his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7.

It was actually another 2011-style choke until Ray bailed him out

So who cares about the last 2 games, one of which was literally the goat bailout in history of sports - the biggest shot in NBA history.

Btw, there are basketball reasons why Lebron can't defeat maximum defensive attention (can't carry scoring load in Finals)... It's because he lacks elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention, while his high scoring levels are too ball-dominant to beat good teams (so he needs equal-scoring partner)

[3ba11]

Whoops, guess no more top 10 for either. :lol

I imagine the only thing that changes more than your top 10 are your prescriptions.


No, because Dirk's victory over prime Lebron/Wade/Bosh is a goat achievement and upset... He learned great brand of ball and teammate fits, which defeated superior talent on the biggest stage - he also carried the scoring load and faced more defensive attention than Lebron ever did while winning a Finals

[Phoenix]

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit, while his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7.

It was actually another 2011-style choke until Ray bailed him out

So who cares about the last 2 games, one of which was literally the goat bailout in history of sports - the biggest shot in NBA history.

Btw, there are basketball reasons why Lebron can't defeat maximum defensive attention (can't carry scoring load in Finals)... It's because he lacks elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention, while his high scoring levels are too ball-dominant to beat good teams (so he needs equal-scoring partner)

Yeah, who cares about the last two games that won the series. :oldlol: What did Lebron score in game 7 and his 2nd option?

About the bailout, if Lebron isnt carrying the scoring load there is no bailout to begin with dumbass.

[Phoenix]

No, because Dirk's victory over prime Lebron/Wade/Bosh is a goat achievement and upset... He learned great brand of ball and teammate fits, which defeated superior talent on the biggest stage - he also carried the scoring load and faced more defensive attention than Lebron ever did while winning a Finals

But your contention is Lebron shat the bed in 2011, and the Heat had a bad brand of ball. So why would beating them be a goat achievement?

Definition of contradiction

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contradiction

[3ba11]

Yeah, who cares about the last two games that won the series. :oldlol: What did Lebron score in game 7 and his 2nd option?

About the bailout, if Lebron isnt carrying the scoring load there is no bailout to begin with dumbass.


Lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7.. And Wade averaged 21 thru 6 games, so he was equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention.. aka Lebron didn't face maximum defensive attention, and therefore was nothing compared to the goat standard of carrying a team

[Phoenix]

Lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7.

And Wade averaged 21 thru 6 games, so he was equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention.. aka Lebron didn't face maximum defensive attention, and therefore was nothing compared to the goat standard of carrying a team

What did Wade score in the final game? 23? And Lebron? 37?

Defeating maximum attention in the clutch :applause:

[3ba11]

What did Wade score in the final game? 23? And Lebron? 37?

Defeating maximum attention in the clutch :applause:


2013 Finals

Lebron..... 25 on 45%
Wade,...... 20 on 47%


So Lebron averaged 2-5 more than sidekicks in the Finals wins, compared to 10-20 for Jordan

Equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals series win)

[Phoenix]

2013 Finals

Lebron..... 25 on 45%
Wade,...... 20 on 47%


Equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals series win)

"Sample Size"


MJ 33ppg 179 games
Lebron 29ppg 266 games

Equal playoff scorers :applause:

[3ba11]

"Sample Size"


MJ 33ppg 179 games
Lebron 29ppg 266 games

Equal playoff scorers :applause:


Jordan's 33.5 defeated maximum defensive attention (no equal-scoring partner or go-to teammate), while Lebron's 29 had equal-scoring partners and therefore didn't have to defeat maximum defensive attention

You should understand that everyone in history had teammates match or exceed their scoring for numerous playoff runs, so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.

Ultimately, MJ is the only guy at 30 ppg or more in the playoffs and the gap between MJ and #2 is greater than the gap between 2 and 10

[Phoenix]

Jordan's 33.5 defeated maximum defensive attention (no equal-scoring partner or go-to teammate), while Lebron's 29 had equal-scoring partners and therefore didn't have to defeat maximum defensive attention

You should understand that everyone in history had teammates match or exceed their scoring for numerous playoff runs, so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.

Ultimately, MJ is the only guy at 30 ppg or more and the gap between MJ and #2 is greater than the gap between 2 and 10

That doesn't address the point. MJ is a career 33ppg playoff scorer, Lebron is 29ppg. The fact that Lebron in some cases had better scorers next to him doesn't change that. In fact, if MJ had an equal scoring partner next to him he wouldn't average 33ppg. :hammerhead:

[3ba11]

That doesn't address the point. MJ is a career 33ppg playoff scorer, Lebron is 29ppg. The fact that Lebron in some cases had better scorers next to him doesn't change that. In fact, if MJ had an equal scoring partner next to him he wouldn't average 33ppg. :hammerhead:


33.5 vs maximum defensive attention >>>>> 29 against no defense and no doubles

Lebron averaged 22 on 35% in the 07' Finals because he faced maximum defensive attention, while MJ averaged 33.6 in the Finals against maximum defensive attention.

And career averages will always be closer than comparing a few series, but Jordan's advantage in career ppg is ridiculous - he's the only guy at 30 ppg and the gap between MJ and #2 is greater than the gap between 2 and 10

[Phoenix]

33.5 vs maximum defensive attention >>>>> 29 against no defense and no doubles

And career averages will always be closer than comparing a few series, but Jordan's advantage in career ppg is ridiculous - he's the only guy at 30 ppg or more and the gap between MJ and #2 is greater than the gap between 2 and 10

The sample size in a series is small enough that a couple higher scoring games can manipulate the stats. Wade had games scoring 10 and 14 points that finals. Over 7 games, a few 20+ point games will average it out. The LARGER SAMPLE size of their overall career numbers >>>>> your cherrypicked scenarios. MJ 33ppg, Lebron 29. 200 game sample size vs your cherrypicked Lebron 25/Wade 20 situation 7 game one which ended up with Lebron scoring 37 vs Wades 23 in the deciding game. Defeating maximum attention when it counts. :applause:

The point is, if you gave MJ Dominique, he'd score less. The fact that he had a 'lesser' scorer in Pippen gave him virtual carte blanche in terms of shots. Lebron may have had better scorers, but his numbers are dictated precisely by having to share the ball with a scorer better than Pippen. Or in other words, if Lebron had a 'Pippen level' scorer he'd score more PPG. Light bulb on?

[3ba11]

The sample size in a series is small enough that a couple higher scoring games can manipulate the stats. Wade had games scoring 10 and 14 points that finals. Over 7 games, a few 20+ point games will average it out. The LARGER SAMPLE size of their overall career numbers >>>>> your cherrypicked scenarios. MJ 33ppg, Lebron 29. 200 game sample size vs your cherrypicked Lebron 25/Wade 20 situation 7 game one which ended up with Lebron scoring 37 vs Wades 23 in the deciding game. Defeating maximum attention when it counts. :applause:

The point is, if you gave MJ Dominique, he'd score less. The fact that he had a 'lesser' scorer in Pippen gave him virtual carte blanche in terms of shots. Lebron may have had better scorers, but his numbers are dictated precisely by having to share the ball with a scorer better than Pippen. Or in other words, if Lebron had a 'Pippen level' scorer he'd score more PPG. Light bulb on?


Lebron has plenty of series with trash scorers at sidekick like Pippen, yet he never scored like Jordan and he never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing).

Lebron simply needs more scoring help because he lacks the brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (so he needs elite-scoring sidekick) and he lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals) - this also requires an elite-scoring sidekick to attract equal defensive attention (so Lebron doesn't face max defensive attention)

Everyone in history had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for numerous playoff runs - so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run

[Phoenix]

Lebron has plenty of series with trash scorers at sidekick like Pippen, yet he never scored like Jordan and he never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing).

Lebron simply needs more scoring help because he lacks the brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (so he needs elite-scoring sidekick) and he lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals) - this also requires an elite-scoring sidekick to attract equal defensive attention (so Lebron doesn't face max defensive attention)

Everyone in history had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for numerous playoff runs - so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run

But's he's not Jordan per game equal as a scorer. So you're running in circles making a point that nobody is arguing.

For the rest of the drivel above......so you've said.

[3ba11]

But's he's not Jordan per game equal as a scorer. So you're running in circles making a point that nobody is arguing.

For the rest of the drivel above......so you've said.


Lebron can't beat good teams with garbage scoring help and MJ can

You can't overcome this point

Specifically, Lebron can't beat top 5 SRS or Finals teams with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, and he can't defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals).. He needs too much scoring help to win




But's he's not Jordan per game equal as a scorer. So you're running in circles making a point that nobody is arguing.

For the rest of the drivel above......so you've said.


Lebron simply needs more scoring help because he lacks the brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (so he needs elite-scoring sidekick) and he lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals) - this also requires an elite-scoring sidekick to attract equal defensive attention (so Lebron doesn't face max defensive attention)

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron can't win with garbage scoring help and MJ can

You can't overcome this point

MJ can defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals or carry bed-wetting teammates over top 5 SRS team), while Lebron can't and nerds elite-scoring help and equal-scoring partners to have carry-jobs against good teams

MJ can't win while being the teams best defender or playmaker, while also being the teams best scorer

So you lose

[3ba11]

MJ can't win while being the teams best defender or playmaker, while also being the teams best scorer

So you lose


Jordan averaged more assists than Pippen for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career, while getting more DPOY votes than Pippen every year..

So you're obviously wrong and I'm obviously right

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jordan averaged more assists than Pippen for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career, while getting more DPOY votes than Pippen every year..

So you're obviously wrong and I'm obviously right


https://youtu.be/89yWdi54_7U

[3ba11]

https://youtu.be/89yWdi54_7U


Phil preferred Kukoc over Pippen when it mattered..

But Pippen was fragile and needed that kind of coddling and political speak

Heck, Phil preferred Kerr or Paxson.. Pippen was never in the shooter role or on the scouting report (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif).. He was an athlete/transition player and a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the system and dynasty chemistry

[AlternativeAcc.]

Phil preferred Kukoc over Pippen when it mattered..

But Pippen was fragile and needed that kind of coddling and political speak

Heck, Phil preferred Kerr or Paxson.. Pippen was never in the shooter role or on the scouting report

So LeBron was Jordan/Pippen in one (teams best scorer, playmaker, and defender)

That makes him the runaway GOAT and shatters Jordan whose own coach says he was mainly just a scorer while scottie the better all around player.

[3ba11]

So LeBron was Jordan/Pippen in one (teams best scorer, playmaker, and defender)

That makes him the runaway GOAT and shatters Jordan whose own coach says he was mainly just a scorer while scottie the better all around player.


Lebron can't score

At high scoring levels, his brand can't beat good teams, so he needs equal-scoring partners that can match him at scoring

It's pathetic

He also lacks the elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals) or carry bed-wetting teammates over top 5 SRS team

So he needs too much scoring help, while MJ needed almost no scoring help - he never had a go-to teammate

[Phoenix]

https://youtu.be/89yWdi54_7U

Lol. You leave a direct quote from Phil and 3ball will sit there and tell you what Phil prefers and is really thinking.

Shut the fukk up and deepthroat a shotgun, 3ball. Bitch.

[1987_Lakers]

https://youtu.be/89yWdi54_7U

:lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron can't score

At high scoring levels, his brand can't beat good teams, so he needs equal-scoring partners that can match him at scoring

It's pathetic

He was always the teams best scorer, playmaker and defender

LeBron produced more points than Jordan, led them intellectually and was the best defender

Jordan can't compete with that.

Thats the definition of carrying physically and mentally... Phil says so

[3ba11]

So LeBron was Jordan/Pippen in one (teams best scorer, playmaker, and defender)

That makes him the runaway GOAT and shatters Jordan whose own coach says he was mainly just a scorer while scottie the better all around player.


Jordan averaged more assists and could average 30/10/10 at point guard or in the Finals

Pippen can't do that - he can't break anyone down and just swung the ball or pushed it on the break

And Jordan got more DPOY votes every year

Posting quotes and responses to dumb media questions isn't a viable argument because there's tons of quotes from Phil, Chuck Daly, Shaq, Bill Laimbeer, Isiah or Reggie Miller that say Pippen was garbage

[Phoenix]

:lol

The end of that quote 'scoring aint the end all, be all' must have 3bot literally contemplaing running out in rush hour. :lol

[3ba11]

The end of that quote 'scoring aint the end all, be all' must have 3bot literally contemplaing running out in rush hour. :lol


Lebron needs more passing and scoring help than Jordan - all of Lebron's teammates average more assists than Pippen like Wade, Westbrook, Kyrie or Rondo

Jordan was also a better defender than Lebron and Pippen, while being a far better passer than Pippen

So you have nothing.

[Phoenix]

Lebron needs more passing and scoring help than Jordan - all of Lebron's teammates average more assists than Pippen like Wade, Westbrook, Kyrie or Rondo

Jordan was also a better defender than Lebron and Pippen, while being a far better passer than Pippen

So you have nothing.

Phil Jackson 'Pippen is a better all around player'

https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

https://c.tenor.com/DtooowVsYDkAAAAd/stop-it-get-some-help.gif

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron needs more help than Jordan because he needs superstar elite scorers to match his scoring, while Jordan could win with no scoring help and less passing help - all of Lebron's teammates average more assists than Pippen

Jordan was also a better defender than Lebron and Pippen, while being a far better passer than Pippen

So you have nothing.

No he wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=MTq8JDXZ5bs&feature=emb_title


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za-1HILs-6U

[Phoenix]

No he wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=MTq8JDXZ5bs&feature=emb_title


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za-1HILs-6U

3ball acting like he knows better than the Zenmaster.
:roll:

[3ba11]

No he wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=MTq8JDXZ5bs&feature=emb_title


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za-1HILs-6U



Everyone was a better passer than Pippen.... :confusedshrug:



Career APG

Westbrook..... 8.6
Rondo........... 8.0
Kyrie............. 5.7
Wade............ 5.4
Jordan.......... 5.3
Pippen.......... 5.2


So Lebron needed far more scoring help AND passing help... :facepalm:...

And despite better passing help, he still had low assist teams because he's a dumb ball-dominator... He lacks the skills to be an assist target and facilitate ball movement... :oldlol:.. #2 my ass

[Phoenix]

https://c.tenor.com/UGwvNNc5i_oAAAAd/raiders-of-the-lost-ark-face-melt.gif


https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

[ShawkFactory]

Everyone was a better passer than Pippen.... :confusedshrug:



Career APG

Westbrook..... 8.6
Rondo........... 8.0
Kyrie............. 5.7
Wade............ 5.4
Jordan.......... 5.3
Pippen.......... 5.2


So Lebron needed far more scoring help AND passing help... :facepalm:...

And despite better passing help, he still had low assist teams because he's a dumb ball-dominator... He lacks the skills to be an assist target and facilitate ball movement... :oldlol:.. #2 my ass

Given that line of logic there, we can thus conclude that Lebron is a better passer than Jordan then, right?

[1987_Lakers]

Everyone was a better passer than Pippen.... :confusedshrug:



Career APG

Westbrook..... 8.6
Rondo........... 8.0
Kyrie............. 5.7
Wade............ 5.4
Jordan.......... 5.3
Pippen.......... 5.2


So Lebron needed far more scoring help AND passing help... :facepalm:...

And despite better passing help, he still had low assist teams because he's a dumb ball-dominator... :oldlol:

If we just go by apg, then Devin Booker & Joe Johnson are better passers than Ginobili.

If you actually watched them play, you would be laughed out of the room if you compared them as passers to Ginobili.

[Phoenix]

Given that line of logic there, we can thus conclude that Lebron is a better passer than Jordan then, right?

:oldlol:

3ball:

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[3ba11]

Given that line of logic there, we can thus conclude that Lebron is a better passer than Jordan then, right?


Jordan is the only off-ball player on that list

He averaged more assists than everyone when he played the ball-dominator role

Ultimately, Pippen was less scoring and passing help than Wade, Kyrie, and Westbrook, while Lebron had juggernaut rim protection compared to Jordan too

[Phoenix]

Jordan is the only off-ball player on that list

He averaged more assists than everyone when he played the ball-dominator role

Ultimately, Pippen was less scoring and passing help than Wade, Kyrie, and Westbrook, while Lebron had juggernaut rim protection compared to Jordan too

Oh, so high usage and ball domination is good but only when MJ did it for the purpose of racking up assists?

[ShawkFactory]

Jordan is the only off-ball player on that list

He averaged more assists than everyone when he played the ball-dominator role

Ultimately, Pippen was less scoring and passing help than Wade, Kyrie, and Westbrook, while Lebron had juggernaut rim protection compared to Jordan too

Oh ok, so things like what you posted previously need context. That makes sense.

[3ba11]

Oh, so high usage and ball domination is good but only when MJ did it for the purpose of racking up assists?


Usage = shot attempts... not ball-dominance (PG role)

[3ba11]

Oh ok, so things like what you posted previously need context. That makes sense.


Jordan could do what they do (ball-dominance) and he averaged more assists than they did in this stat-padding format

But they can't do what Jordan did, which is have carry-jobs against good teams (defeat top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from sidekick) or defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in the Finals)

This caliber of scoring (that doesn't need good scoring help) requires elite jumpshooting skill and a good brand of ball at high scoring levels - aka the most sophisticated style and skillset - a combination of on-ball and off-ball play that fits any teammate or system

THAT'S the goat caliber of performance that yields goat team ceilings organically

Carry on

[ShawkFactory]

Jordan could do what they do (ball-dominance) and he averaged more assists than they did in this stat-padding format

But they can't do what Jordan did, which is have carry-jobs against good teams (defeat top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from sidekick) or defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in the Finals)

This caliber of scoring (that doesn't need good scoring help) requires elite jumpshooting skill and a good brand of ball at high scoring levels - aka the most sophisticated style and skillset - a combination of on-ball and off-ball play that fits any teammate or system

THAT'S the goat caliber of performance that yields goat team ceilings organically

Carry on

Why compare stats across these eras like you do then?

[3ba11]

Why compare stats across these eras like you do then?


I don't - you guys do

I try to focus on the pure basketball achievements that transcend era..

For example, in order to beat good teams with bed-wetting teammates (carry-job against good team), it isn't enough to achieve high ppg - the high ppg must occur with a good brand of ball to beat a good team.

Unfortunately, Lebron can't have a good brand of ball at high scoring levels, so he can't beat good teams when he takes up too much of the scoring pie - he needs a sidekick to score and shoot well to beat good teams.

This contrasts with Jordan, who could score without ball-dominance and while the ball moved, so his high scoring didn't sacrifice brand of ball and could therefore beat good teams.

In addition to having carry-job capability against good teams, Jordan had the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), which Lebron can't do

In addition to these scoring aspects, knowing how to win is important, which involves teammate fits and brand of ball.. Once again, Lebron's skillset comes up short in these areas, so he's forced to pursue a talent-based approach (team-hop.. all-star team strategy).. He was infact a perennial loser just like Luka until the "decision" to form super-teams... It's cool because we can use Lebron's template as a prediction for Luka (his brand will need super-teams too)

[ShawkFactory]

I don't - you guys do

I try to focus on the pure basketball achievements that transcend era..

For example, in order to beat good teams with bed-wetting teammates (carry-job against good team), it isn't enough to achieve high ppg - the high ppg must occur with a good brand of ball to beat a good team.

Unfortunately, Lebron can't have a good brand of ball at high scoring levels, so he can't beat good teams when he takes up too much of the scoring pie - he needs a sidekick to score and shoot well to beat good teams.

This contrasts with Jordan, who could score without ball-dominance and while the ball moved, so his high scoring didn't sacrifice brand of ball and could therefore beat good teams.

In addition to having carry-job capability against good teams, Jordan had the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), which Lebron can't do

In addition to these scoring aspects, knowing how to win is important, which involves teammate fits and brand of ball.. Once again, Lebron's skillset comes up short in these areas, so he's forced to pursue a talent-based approach (team-hop.. all-star team strategy).. He was infact a perennial loser just like Luka until the "decision" to form super-teams... It's cool because we can use Lebron's template as a prediction for Luka (his brand will need super-teams too)

:roll:

Didn’t read the rest.

[3ba11]

:roll:

Didn’t read the rest.


I don't just list stats like you guys

The stats back up pure basketball achievements like carrying bed-wetting teammates over good teams (carry-jobs against good teams) or defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in Finals)

Being unable to have carry-jobs against good teams or defeat maximum defensive attention is easily viewable in any era because they're pure basketball achievements that require certain SKILLS (elite jumpshooting skill and good brand at high scoring levels, aka high team assists at high scoring levels)

TLDR: my stats include the context

[Phoenix]

Usage = shot attempts... not ball-dominance (PG role)

So he was a ball-dominant PG part of 89 in the same manner you say guys like Stockton, Harden, Luka, etc etc are. 'Weak brand of ball' beaten by better teams( Boston/Detroit) Monopolizing a large percentage of the teams overall possessions to achieve maximum stats, you're ok with that because its MJ.

[3ba11]

So he was a ball-dominant PG part of 89 in the same manner you say guys like Stockton, Harden, Luka, etc etc are. 'Weak brand of ball' beaten by better teams( Boston/Detroit) Monopolizing a large percentage of the teams overall possessions to achieve maximum stats, you're ok with that because its MJ.


No you're right - 89' Jordan lost with that shit despite having a better run than 22' Luka

(Jordan led a 6 seed to ECF with 9 on 40% from sidekick in ECF... and he beat the #1 SRS in the process and hit legendary GW vs dynasty in Game 3 of ECF)

But all Jordan needed was a coach to use his scoring at the end of shot-clocks after wearing down the defense with ball movement - all of a sudden Jordan was winning titles while carrying the scoring load instead of losing carry-jobs like before.. His scoring didn't decrease to win - his scoring was just used differently because he was elite in every area

[Phoenix]

No, 89' Jordan lost with that shit despite having a better run than 22' Luka (Jordan led a 6 seed to ECF with 9 on 40% sidekick and beat #1 SRS in the process and hit legendary GW vs dynasty in Game 3 of ECF)

But all Jordan needed was a coach to use his scoring at the end of shot-clocks after wearing down the defense with ball movement - all of a sudden Jordan was winning titles while carrying the scoring load instead of losing like before

So Luka led his team to a higher seed? :applause:

[3ba11]

So Luka led his team to a higher seed? :applause:


Luka had a better cast because Jordan only had a sidekick that got less PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, scoring and efficiency than 09' Mo Williams

[Phoenix]

Luka had a better cast because Jordan only had a sidekick that got less PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, scoring and efficiency than 09' Mo Williams

So unlike what you said in post 66, you actually do compare stats across eras. So on that basis that those stats mean 09 Mo> 89 Pippen, 09 Lebron had a higher playoff PER,BPM, WS/48, VORP, scoring and efficiency than 89 MJ.

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[SouBeachTalents]

I don't just list stats like you guys

The stats back up pure basketball achievements like carrying bed-wetting teammates over good teams (carry-jobs against good teams) or defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in Finals)

Being unable to have carry-jobs against good teams or defeat maximum defensive attention is easily viewable in any era because they're pure basketball achievements that require certain SKILLS (elite jumpshooting skill and good brand at high scoring levels, aka high team assists at high scoring levels)

TLDR: my stats include the context
What a shameless troll :lol

[Phoenix]

What a shameless troll :lol

He's gone back under his bridge to now figure out how he can moonwalk around 09 Lebron>89 MJ, simply on the basis of every SINGLE metric he used to say 09 Mo> 89 Pippen. :oldlol:

The crux of 3ball's arguments
https://c.tenor.com/6_4QHa_N9mgAAAAM/shooting-leg-shooting-foot.gif

[3ba11]

What a shameless troll :lol


My stats include context afterwards

I'll indent the stats and post the context in an un-indented summary afterwards - that's standard 3ball format for years.. :facepalm:

For example, I'll indent a set of stats showing how Love, Bosh, Kyrie Wade, AD, Mo, Hughes and others saw their assists decline alongside Lebron and their assisted rate increase.. Then I'll summarize in an un-indented portion that Lebron turns playmakers into play-finishers.

Otoh, you guys just list stats but can't explain them

[AirBonner]

H has pippens points but his assists are flaccid and his defense is nowhere near big Pip

[Shooter]

Now imagine the Warriors aren't playing stacked Boston but they're playing weak ass Terry Porter or Shawn Kemp or Jeff Hornacek? SWEEP

[Shooter]

He's gone back under his bridge to now figure out how he can moonwalk around 09 Lebron>89 MJ, simply on the basis of every SINGLE metric he used to say 09 Mo> 89 Pippen. :oldlol:

The crux of 3ball's arguments
https://c.tenor.com/6_4QHa_N9mgAAAAM/shooting-leg-shooting-foot.gif

:roll::roll: The poor fella just can't help himself

[Axe]

Wiggins > kobe?

[3ba11]

He's gone back under his bridge to now figure out how he can moonwalk around 09 Lebron>89 MJ, simply on the basis of every SINGLE metric he used to say 09 Mo> 89 Pippen. :oldlol:

The crux of 3ball's arguments
https://c.tenor.com/6_4QHa_N9mgAAAAM/shooting-leg-shooting-foot.gif


Mo had higher PPG, APG, and efficiency than 89' Pippen, just like 89' Jordan did over 09' Lebron

But carry on with the lies if it makes you sleep at night

Jordan averaged 5 more ppg on better efficiency and also more APG and SPG

[Phoenix]

Mo had higher PPG, APG, and efficiency than 89' Pippen, just like 89' Jordan did over 09' Lebron

But carry on with the lies if it makes you sleep at night

Jordan averaged 5 more ppg on better efficiency and also more APG and SPG

I said playoffs you illiterate c*unt. What's your retort to that, 'who cares about the playoffs'? :roll:


So unlike what you said in post 66, you actually do compare stats across eras. So on that basis that those stats mean 09 Mo> 89 Pippen, 09 Lebron had a higher playoff PER,BPM, WS/48, VORP, scoring and efficiency than 89 MJ.



Literally EVERY metric you used to say 09 Mo>09 Pippen, in the playoffs 09 Lebron has ALL of them over 89 MJ.

Scoring
Lebron 35.3 Jordan 34.8

Efficiency
Lebron .618 Jordan.602

PER
Lebron 37.4 Jordan 29.9

BPM
Lebron 17.5 Jordan 12.1

WS/48
Lebron .399 Jordan .270

VORP
Lebron 2.9 Jordan 2.5

Need moar?

Winshares
Lebron 4.8 Jordan 4.0

Rebounds
Lebron 9.1 Jordan 7.0

Assists
Lebron 7.3( 2.9 TOV) Jordan 7.6( 4.0 TOV)

Pace
09 Cavs 86.1 89 Bulls 91.1

Now go cry in a corner with your custom MJ dildo up your ass per your norm, bitch.

[3ba11]

Another thread aging.. like fine wine

[3ba11]

So far he's at 18 on 46%

See these kinds of comps that use actual logic infact work

[Phoenix]

One, the series ain't over. Two, you said if he averages 19ppg on 42% the Warriors lose. They're up 3-2 with him averaging a point less than that, so how does that support your thesis?

Anyways, you took Pippens scoring number over 6 finals and trying to equate Wiggins scoring that in one series, against a different team and era 30 years later as perfectly logical. I refuse to believe there's a human being in existence walking freely that actually believes that shit makes sense, especially one that claims to have played college ball at a higher level. There's just no way in hell anyone with supposed D1 basketball experience and knowledge would create such stupid points.

No it's not a 'you have poor comprehension' situation, you're just full of shit. The clog up the toilet for an hour kind. Wiggins may or may not cross that 19ppg number and the Warriors may or may not win, but sit down for this one... none of that has sweet fukk all to do with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.

[Manny98]

I said playoffs you illiterate c*unt. What's your retort to that, 'who cares about the playoffs'? :roll:



Literally EVERY metric you used to say 09 Mo>09 Pippen, in the playoffs 09 Lebron has ALL of them over 89 MJ.

Scoring
Lebron 35.3 Jordan 34.8

Efficiency
Lebron .618 Jordan.602

PER
Lebron 37.4 Jordan 29.9

BPM
Lebron 17.5 Jordan 12.1

WS/48
Lebron .399 Jordan .270

VORP
Lebron 2.9 Jordan 2.5

Need moar?

Winshares
Lebron 4.8 Jordan 4.0

Rebounds
Lebron 9.1 Jordan 7.0

Assists
Lebron 7.3( 2.9 TOV) Jordan 7.6( 4.0 TOV)

Pace
09 Cavs 86.1 89 Bulls 91.1

Now go cry in a corner with your custom MJ dildo up your ass per your norm, bitch.

I love how he completely dodges this :oldlol:

3ball getting bullied into a corner per usual :oldlol:

[Johnny32]

true. wiggins and the warriors aren't playing in the offensively challenged 90s though.

[SouBeachTalents]

One, the series ain't over. Two, you said if he averages 19ppg on 42% the Warriors lose. They're up 3-2 with him averaging a point less than that, so how does that support your thesis?

Anyways, you took Pippens scoring number over 6 finals and trying to equate Wiggins scoring that in one series, against a different team and era 30 years later as perfectly logical. I refuse to believe there's a human being in existence walking freely that actually believes that shit makes sense, especially one that claims to have played college ball at a higher level. There's just no way in hell anyone with supposed D1 basketball experience and knowledge would create such stupid points.

No it's not a 'you have poor comprehension' situation, you're just full of shit. The clog up the toilet for an hour kind. Wiggins may or may not cross that 19ppg number and the Warriors may or may not win, but sit down for this one... none of that has sweet fukk all to do with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.
Also, nobody would make a thread like this then brag when the Warriors are on the verge of winning with Wiggins putting up nearly identical numbers :lol I agree with you, there’s no way anybody is THIS dumb, I think he just does it for attention.

[ShawkFactory]

So far he's at 18 on 46%

See these kinds of comps that use actual logic infact work

They’re...leading the series..?

[3ba11]

They’re...leading the series..?


A minimum of Pippen-caliber was needed from Wiggins to win this series - the last game confirmed this and made the thread title true

Yeah the Warriors haven't won yet but Curry was the first player to have a great game in this series, which gives the Warriors control because they know the Celtics must consider adjustments (doubling or coverage adjustment)

Tatum must be spectacular to win, but it's less likely this late in the party. He's dragged his feet too long

[1987_Lakers]

Damn, Wiggins averaging what Pippen averaged except Pippen's APG was always much higher and the Warriors have a 3-2 lead.

OP with a big L in this thread.

[3ba11]

One, the series ain't over. Two, you said if he averages 19ppg on 42% the Warriors lose. They're up 3-2 with him averaging a point less than that, so how does that support your thesis?





He's averaging 18.4, which is only 0.6 less than 19.0, with better efficiency

[SouBeachTalents]

Damn, Pippen averaging what Pippen averaged except Pippen's APG was always much higher and the Warriors have a 3-2 lead.

OP with a big L in this thread.
And Pippen was consistently outscoring the opponents 2nd option, something Wiggins isn’t even doing in this series.

[1987_Lakers]

He's averaging 18.4, which is only 0.6 less than 19.0, with better efficiency

You were going Pippen's career finals stats...

He shot 42.5% in his finals career which rounds up to 43%, you lied and said 42%

Thread Cliffs: OP was wrong and caught lying....AGAIN

[3ba11]

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[3ba11]

And Pippen was consistently outscoring the opponents 2nd option, something Wiggins isn’t even doing in this series.


Klay is averaging 18 along with Wiggins

Accordingly, the Warriors are similar to MJ's Finals opponents because they have several scoring options OUTSIDE of the sidekick - Wiggins has to share the secondary scoring load with other secondary scorers..

This also explains why Pippen would outscore opposing sidekicks - he had a bigger burden because the Bulls lacked 3rd or 4th scoring options. Unfortunately, he had worst-ever efficiency on this burden because he couldn't handle it (see previous post) - Pippen was only a 2nd option alongside MJ and otherwise was 3rd to 8th option on the Rockets and Blazers

[ShawkFactory]

Klay is averaging 18 along with Wiggins

Accordingly, the Warriors are similar to MJ's Finals opponents because they have several scoring options OUTSIDE of the sidekick - Wiggins has to share the secondary scoring load with other secondary scorers..

This also explains why Pippen would outscore opposing sidekicks - he had a bigger burden because the Bulls lacked 3rd or 4th scoring options. Unfortunately, he had worst-ever efficiency on this burden because he couldn't handle it (see previous post) - Pippen was only a 2nd option alongside MJ and otherwise was 3rd to 8th option on the Rockets and Blazers

So you think that being higher up on the totem pole or having a larger scoring "burden" means typically a player will score more?

Obviously other than when they play with Lebron. I know there's a different set of rules there.

[3ba11]

So you think that being higher up on the totem pole or having a larger scoring "burden" means typically a player will score more?

Obviously other than when they play with Lebron. I know there's a different set of rules there.


Only 1 guy in 3-pointer history averaged 40+ in a series - MJ did it 6 times except Bernard King did it once too in the 85' 1st Round.

Jordan has a massive 4-5 ppg advantage over everyone in playoff history - all the greatest scorers ever are bunched up at 26-29 ppg, while the GOAT stands alone at 33.5 with better efficiency per possession than anyone that matters (ortg).

And Jordan could win at high scoring levels because his scoring was partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and allows ball movement (good brand of ball)..

TLDR: MJ needed the least help because he had goat burden ability (scoring ability) AND his brand was sufficient to win at high scoring levels.

[GrayGoat]

Kobe needed the most help

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe needed the most help
Kobe was the help for most of his titles.

[Hey Yo]

You were going Pippen's career finals stats...

He shot 42.5% in his finals career which rounds up to 43%, you lied and said 42%

Thread Cliffs: OP was wrong and caught lying....AGAIN

All that mother****er does is lie.

Wade in 2013 Finals 19.6 = 20ppg

James shoots 39.8% in 2015 Finals = 39%

[3ba11]

Kobe needed the most help



Pau before Kobe........... 1x all-star
Bosh before Lebron...... 6x all-star


^^^ Kobe only needed a Bosh-level player at 2nd option, while Lebron needed Bosh at 3rd option

Lebron needs more help because his skillset lacks sufficient brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (too ball-dominant), and therefore needs all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead him in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 16' Kyrie, 20' AD)

Otoh, Kobe's high scoring is partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and ball movement, so he can win at high scoring burden and doesn't need as much help (no all-time scorers needed at sidekick - just Bosh, I mean Pau)

[ShawkFactory]

Only 1 guy in 3-pointer history averaged 40+ in a series - MJ did it 6 times except Bernard King did it once too in the 85' 1st Round.

Jordan has a massive 4-5 ppg advantage over everyone in playoff history - all the greatest scorers ever are bunched up at 26-29 ppg, while the GOAT stands alone at 33.5 with better efficiency per possession than anyone that matters (ortg).

And Jordan could win at high scoring levels because his scoring was partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and allows ball movement (good brand of ball)..

TLDR: MJ needed the least help because he had goat burden ability (scoring ability) AND his brand was sufficient to win at high scoring levels.

Didn't address my question at all.

I at least expected a half-assed goalpost move.

[GrayGoat]

Pau before Kobe........... 1x all-star
Bosh before Lebron...... 6x all-star


^^^ Kobe only needed a Bosh-level player at 2nd option, while Lebron needed Bosh at 3rd option

Lebron needs more help because his skillset lacks sufficient brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (too ball-dominant), and therefore needs all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead him in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 16' Kyrie, 20' AD)

Otoh, Kobe's high scoring is partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and ball movement, so he can win at high scoring burden and doesn't need as much help (no all-time scorers needed at sidekick - just Bosh, I mean Pau)

That’s not including Odom who was basically a 7ft Pippen

[1987_Lakers]

All that mother****er does is lie.

Wade in 2013 Finals 19.6 = 20ppg

James shoots 39.8% in 2015 Finals = 39%

100%. Biggest liar on ISH.

[SouBeachTalents]

Pau before Kobe........... 1x all-star
Bosh before Lebron...... 6x all-star


^^^ Kobe only needed a Bosh-level player at 2nd option, while Lebron needed Bosh at 3rd option

Lebron needs more help because his skillset lacks sufficient brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (too ball-dominant), and therefore needs all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead him in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 16' Kyrie, 20' AD)

Otoh, Kobe's high scoring is partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and ball movement, so he can win at high scoring burden and doesn't need as much help (no all-time scorers needed at sidekick - just Bosh, I mean Pau)
None of that changes the fact Kobe was the help for most of his titles.

[3ba11]

None of that changes the fact Kobe was the help for most of his titles.


Yes but Kobe won 2 titles with far less help than Lebron ever won with

Kobe won with a secondary scorer like Pau, while Lebron always needed all-time scorers at sidekick that could match him in the Finals or entire playoff runs

Ultimately, Lebron needs more help because his skillset lacks sufficient brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (too ball-dominant), and therefore needs all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead him in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 16' Kyrie, 20' AD)

Otoh, Kobe's high scoring is partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and ball movement, so he can win at high scoring burden and doesn't need as much help (no all-time scorers needed at sidekick - just Bosh, I mean Pau)

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes but Kobe won 2 titles with far less help than Lebron ever won with

Kobe won with a secondary scorer like Pau, while Lebron always needed all-time scorers at sidekick that could match him in the Finals or entire playoff runs

Ultimately, Lebron needs more help because his skillset lacks sufficient brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (too ball-dominant), and therefore needs all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead him in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 16' Kyrie, 20' AD)

Otoh, Kobe's high scoring is partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and ball movement, so he can win at high scoring burden and doesn't need as much help (no all-time scorers needed at sidekick - just Bosh, I mean Pau)
Nah, Pau was better than 2013 Wade.

[1987_Lakers]

Off topic.....3ball, was this you who made this post? I thought you had no access to your original user name?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?505092-i-am-a-shell-of-my-former-self-thanks-to-alcohol/page2


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Not surprised you can't relate to the story in the OP. His gun was in the truck and yours was strewn out on the $5 table you bought on half off day at Salvation Army next to your bags of crack rock and half smoked cigarettes. Shut up

[3ba11]

Off topic.....3ball, was this you who made this post? I thought you had no access to your original user name?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?505092-i-am-a-shell-of-my-former-self-thanks-to-alcohol/page2


Mods have taken over the 3ball account

Apparently they use it as some sort of Trump card when they don't like a post or poster, like the example that you posted

[3ba11]

Nah, Pau was better than 2013 Wade.


Both Wade and Pau outscored the opposing 1st option in the Finals, but Pau was clearly a secondary scorer, while Wade nearly matched Lebron and is an all-time scorer.. Lebron simply needs juggernaut scoring help and can't win with a secondary scorer like Pau.

Ultimately Lebron needs more help than Kobe because he can't win while carrying the scoring burden like Kobe can...

Specifically, his skillset lacks sufficient brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (too ball-dominant), and therefore needs all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead him in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 16' Kyrie, 20' AD)

Otoh, Kobe's high scoring is partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and ball movement, so he can win at high scoring burden and doesn't need as much help (no all-time scorers needed at sidekick - just Bosh, I mean Pau)

[3ba11]

Both Wade and Pau outscored the opposing 1st option in the Finals, but Pau was clearly a secondary scorer, while Wade nearly matched Lebron and is an all-time scorer.. Lebron simply needs juggernaut scoring help and can't win with a secondary scorer like Pau.

Ultimately Lebron needs more help than Kobe because he can't win while carrying the scoring burden like Kobe can...

Specifically, his skillset lacks sufficient brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (too ball-dominant), and therefore needs all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead him in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 16' Kyrie, 20' AD)

Otoh, Kobe's high scoring is partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and ball movement, so he can win at high scoring burden and doesn't need as much help (no all-time scorers needed at sidekick - just Bosh, I mean Pau)





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[Hey Yo]

Pau was never held scoreless in a Finals game / must win Finals game.

[Phoenix]

He's averaging 18.4, which is only 0.6 less than 19.0, with better efficiency

Making that distinction doesn't make your core point any less stupid. Plumbers get paid top dollar to unclog that much shit in one place.

[r15mohd]

Mods have taken over the 3ball account

Apparently they use it as some sort of Trump card when they don't like a post or poster, like the example that you posted

you are so delusional :facepalm

[r15mohd]

Pau before Kobe........... 1x all-star
Bosh before Lebron...... 6x all-star



arent you in a plethora of threads indicating the east is weak? yet now using a west vs east player in comparison as foundation to claim?

:hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead:

[3ba11]

you are so delusional :facepalm


That's literally what happened

A bunch of immature kids modding this boatd

[3ba11]

arent you in a plethora of threads indicating the east is weak? yet now using a west vs east player in comparison as foundation to claim?

:hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead:


Bosh was All-NBA too

So that shuts you down and confirms the original point that Pau/Bosh were similar caliber, except Kobe could win with them at 2nd option while Lebron needed them at 3rd.

aka Lebron needs more help because he can't carry the scoring burden like Kobe

Specifically, his skillset lacks sufficient brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (too ball-dominant), and therefore needs all-time scorers at sidekick that can match him or lead in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 16' Kyrie, 20' AD)

Otoh, Kobe's high scoring is partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and ball movement, so he can win at high scoring burden and doesn't need as much help (no all-time scorers needed at sidekick - just Bosh, I mean Pau)

[AlternativeAcc.]

That's literally what happened

A bunch of immature kids modding this boatd

So you're accusing RMWG of stealing your account and using it randomly to insult someone? Mods don't have access to passwords or anything like that which makes even more of a bizzare accusation

Man up big dog, it was a good ass post

[GrayGoat]

3ball getting destroyed in here

[Phoenix]

Bosh was All-NBA too

So that shuts you down and confirms the original point that Pau/Bosh were similar caliber, except Kobe could win with them at 2nd option while Lebron needed them at 3rd.

aka Lebron needs more help because he can't carry the scoring burden like Kobe

Specifically, his skillset lacks sufficient brand of ball to beat good teams at high scoring levels (too ball-dominant), and therefore needs all-time scorers at sidekick that can match him or lead in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 16' Kyrie, 20' AD)

Otoh, Kobe's high scoring is partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role and ball movement, so he can win at high scoring burden and doesn't need as much help (no all-time scorers needed at sidekick - just Bosh, I mean Pau)

3autobot™ everyone!


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[1987_Lakers]

Wiggins Finals stats: 18 ppg on 45 FG%

Warrors still win. Nice try OP.

[Phoenix]

Thanks for the bump 1987. Another one for the list...

New additions in bold...

2022 Warriors win/lose depending on Wiggins paralleling player's scoring ppg from 30 years ago
2022 Cetlics=90's Bulls....................no wait never mind
Wiggins>Pippen ( who didn't see this one coming?)
Poor reading comprehension
05 Hughes
89 Pippen
09 Mo
95 finals Horry
Criteria :confusedshrug:
Curry is most overrated ever....I mean top 5 GOAT
Giannis is Pippen-level bum.... I mean top 10 GOAT
Oubre
I have I N T E G R I T Y
Brand of Ball
Organic chips
Talent-based winning
Weak jumpshooting
Beginner format
Defeating maximum defensive attention
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[1987_Lakers]

Thanks for the bump 1987. Another one for the list...

New additions in bold...

2022 Warriors win/lose depending on Wiggins paralleling player's scoring ppg from 30 years ago
2022 Cetlics=90's Bulls....................no wait never mind
Wiggins>Pippen ( who didn't see this one coming?)
Poor reading comprehension
05 Hughes
89 Pippen
09 Mo
95 finals Horry
Criteria :confusedshrug:
Curry is most overrated ever....I mean top 5 GOAT
Giannis is Pippen-level bum.... I mean top 10 GOAT
Oubre
I have I N T E G R I T Y
Brand of Ball
Organic chips
Talent-based winning
Weak jumpshooting
Beginner format
Defeating maximum defensive attention
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:lol

[3ba11]

.
3ball was right again.... :applause:



Pippen 6 Finals..... 19.0 on 42%
Wiggins 2022........ 18.3 on 45%


Wiggins gamescore of 14 would rank 4th in Pippen's career, aka Pippen-caliber

Klay also averaged 17 in this series, which is also Pippen caliber

[SouBeachTalents]

Literally the title of the thread: If Wiggins gets 19 on 42% the Warriors lose

Wiggins averages 18 on 45% and the Warriors win

3ball: I was right again

Just shows how completely and utterly delusional he is :lol

[1987_Lakers]

.
3ball was right again.... :applause:



Pippen 6 Finals..... 19.0 on 42%
Wiggins 2022........ 18.3 on 45%


Wiggins gamescore of 14 would rank 4th in Pippen's career, aka Pippen-caliber

Klay also averaged 17 in this series, which is also Pippen caliber

Pippen shot 43% in his finals. Not to mention Pippen also gave you playmaking Wiggins didn't.

Imagine that. MJ had a better 2nd option and the Warriors still won.

[FromDowntown]

Wiggins Finals stats: 18 ppg on 45 FG%

Warrors still win. Nice try OP.

op dont know too much shit about bball but he likes to chirp

curry can carry anyone to a ring

givem kd, ring up
givem klay, ring up
givem wiggins, ring up
givem anyone next year ,ring up

[FromDowntown]

.
3ball was right again.... :applause:



Pippen 6 Finals..... 19.0 on 42%
Wiggins 2022........ 18.3 on 45%


Wiggins gamescore of 14 would rank 4th in Pippen's career, aka Pippen-caliber

Klay also averaged 17 in this series, which is also Pippen caliber

you said they would you shit head and they didnt lose so you were not right you were honestly wrong shit head

[Axe]

Literally the title of the thread: If Wiggins gets 19 on 42% the Warriors lose

Wiggins averages 18 on 45% and the Warriors win

3ball: I was right again

Just shows how completely and utterly delusional he is :lol
What's embarrassing about it is that his disciples can't even defend him at all, like the two suckers who rant about the so-called bronies. :oldlol:

[3ba11]

Literally the title of the thread: If Wiggins gets 19 on 42% the Warriors lose

Wiggins averages 18 on 45% and the Warriors win

3ball: I was right again

Just shows how completely and utterly delusional he is :lol


Wiggins played at the caliber I stated he would need to play - shitty Pippen caliber - another spot-on thread in the books... :confusedshrug:

You can quibble over 1 point if you want (better efficiency), but any objective person can see that I was pretty much spot on

It's a testament to Curry that he could win 2 Finals the way MJ did - defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load)

[1987_Lakers]

Wiggins played at the caliber I stated he would need to play - shitty Pippen caliber - another spot-on thread in the books... :confusedshrug:


But you said if Wiggins played at Pippen's Finals level they would lose. They didn't.

You just admitted you were wrong. :lol

[3ba11]

But you said if Wiggins played at Pippen's Finals level they would lose. They didn't.

You just admitted you were wrong. :lol


Wiggins played better than Pippen because he carried Curry in Game 5 - Pippen never carried Jordan and was always living off the attention paid to Jordan

Wiggins was also 2nd option over a perennial all-star in Klay - Pippen would never be 2nd option on a team with other scoring options.. see the Rockets and Blazers where he was 3rd to 8th option - a non-scoring hustler/bum outside the triangle

[r15mohd]

But you said if Wiggins played at Pippen's Finals level they would lose. They didn't.

You just admitted you were wrong. :lol

he's gonna try and spin it to how curry did like MJ and carried more offensive when needed...easy read on that play.

[3ba11]

he's gonna try and spin it to how curry did like MJ and carried more offensive when needed...easy read on that play.


Wiggins played better than Pippen because he carried Curry in Game 5 - Pippen never carried Jordan and was always living off the attention paid to Jordan

Wiggins was also 2nd option over a perennial all-star in Klay - Pippen would never be 2nd option on a team with other scoring options.. see the Rockets and Blazers where he was 3rd to 8th option - he was a non-scoring hustler/bum outside the triangle, while Wiggins was always a 20 ppg player

[1987_Lakers]

Wiggins played better than Pippen because he carried Curry in Game 5 - Pippen never carried Jordan and was always living off the attention paid to Jordan

That's not what you said in your OP. You specifically only stated if he reached a specific number of points and efficiency they would lose, he did and they won. I told you in the first page that if the Warriors won, Wiggins would have worse numbers than in your OP, (if we also include playmaking) You should have listened.

Pippen has a career 6 apg in the Finals to Wiggins 2 apg in this series. :lol

Thread cliffs: Pippen outperformed Wiggins, but the Warriors still won.

[r15mohd]

Wiggins played better than Pippen because he carried Curry in Game 5 - Pippen never carried Jordan and was always living off the attention paid to Jordan

Wiggins was also 2nd option over a perennial all-star in Klay - Pippen would never be 2nd option on a team with other scoring options.. see the Rockets and Blazers where he was 3rd to 8th option - he was a non-scoring hustler/bum outside the triangle, while Wiggins was always a 20 ppg player

i'll give you the ISH response - 1-9! Pippen was very much carrying the load alongside MJ no matter how much you'd like to beleive otherwise.

even MJ said it, 'Whenever they speak MJ, they should speak Scottie'. this quote probably burns your soul, knowing the tens of thousands of posts you make to discredit Pippen, MJ pushed your dumba$$ theory down the drain in this one phrase

[3ba11]

That's not what you said in your OP. You specifically only stated if he reached a specific number of points and efficiency they would lose, he did and they won. I told you in the first page that if the Warriors won, Wiggins would have worse numbers than in your OP. You should have listened.

Not to mention Pippen has a career 6 apg in the Finals to Wiggins 2 apg in this series. :lol

Thread cliffs: Pippen outperformed Wiggins, but the Warriors still won.


Maybe I mis-worded the title, but the Warriors needed a minimum of Pippen-caliber from Wiggins to win and they got it (it's a low bar obv)

That was the point

Lebron never won with Pippen-caliber - aka Lebron never had to carry the scoring load for a secondary producer like Wiggins or Pippen because he had all-time scorers like Wade, Kyrie or AD that nearly matched his scoring

Lebron lacks the skills defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick and can't win with weak scoring help like Wiggins or Pippen

[r15mohd]

Maybe I mis-worded the title, but the Warriors needed a minimum of Pippen-caliber from Wiggins to win and they got it (it's a low bar obv)

That was the point

Lebron never won with Pippen-caliber - aka Lebron never had to carry the scoring load for a secondary producer like Wiggins or Pippen because he had all-time scorers like Wade, Kyrie or AD that nearly matched his scoring

Lebron lacks the skills defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick and can't win with weak scoring help like Wiggins or Pippen

Wade was 19.5 on 48% shooting in 2013...it was certainly done. you can cry over a couple % pts all you want but it is definitely a margin of comparison

wonder how many thousand posts you wasted over marginal % disparity...such a clown lmao

[1987_Lakers]

Maybe I mis-worded the title, but the Warriors needed a minimum of Pippen-caliber from Wiggins to win and they got it (it's a low bar obv)

That was the point

Lebron never won with Pippen-caliber - aka Lebron never had to carry the scoring load for a secondary producer like Wiggins or Pippen because he had all-time scorers like Wade, Kyrie or AD that nearly matched his scoring

Lebron lacks the skills defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick and can't win with weak scoring help like Wiggins or Pippen

Holy shit. :roll:

[3ba11]

Wade was 19.5 on 48% shooting in 2013..





Lebron only averaged 25 and didn't carry the scoring load because Wade averaged 20

Lebron only averaged 2-5 more than sidekicks in Finals wins, compared to 10-20 for Jordan...

So Jordan defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load in Finals), while Lebron never did.. And Curry now has 2 titles where he defeated maximum defensive attention too.




Wade was 19.5 on 48% shooting in 2013...it was certainly done. you can cry over a couple % pts all you want but it is definitely a margin of comparison

wonder how many thousand posts you wasted over marginal % disparity...such a clown lmao


Lebron can't beat Finals teams while carrying the scoring load (too ball-dominant), so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick to lessen his scoring burden.

Otoh, Curry can beat Finals teams while carrying the scoring load (it's still a good brand of ball), so he can win with secondary scorers like Wiggins

Curry, MJ and other off-ball experts are simply easier to build around because you don't need another #1 to put alongside them like Wade or AD - secondary scorers like Wiggins, Klay or Pippen will do

[r15mohd]

Lebron only averaged 25 and didn't carry the scoring load because Wade averaged 20

Lebron only averaged 2-5 more than sidekicks in Finals wins, compared to 10-20 for Jordan...

So Jordan defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load in Finals), while Lebron never did.. And Curry now has 2 titles where he defeated maximum defensive attention too.






Lebron can't beat Finals teams while carrying the scoring load (too ball-dominant), so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick to lessen his scoring burden.

Otoh, Curry can beat Finals teams while carrying the scoring load (it's still a good brand of ball), so he can win with secondary scorers like Wiggins

Curry, MJ and other off-ball experts are simply easier to build around because you don't need another #1 to put alongside them like Wade or AD - secondary scorers like Wiggins, Klay or Pippen will do

that's not what you said...you laid out the 19pt criteria, no one else did. then when you're given proof to negate your absent-mindset, you move the goal posts and bring in some other footnote.

you're just full of it lol

[Phoenix]

Maybe I mis-worded the title, but the Warriors needed a minimum of Pippen-caliber from Wiggins to win and they got it (it's a low bar obv)

That was the point

Lebron never won with Pippen-caliber - aka Lebron never had to carry the scoring load for a secondary producer like Wiggins or Pippen because he had all-time scorers like Wade, Kyrie or AD that nearly matched his scoring

Lebron lacks the skills defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick and can't win with weak scoring help like Wiggins or Pippen

The essence of a 3autobot backtrack when cornered....

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Ho, haha, guard, turn,parry, dodge,spin,ha......THRUST!!

[1987_Lakers]

3ball aka Amber Heard getting slaughtered in here.

[Phoenix]

Wiggins played better than Pippen because he carried Curry in Game 5 - Pippen never carried Jordan and was always living off the attention paid to Jordan

Wiggins was also 2nd option over a perennial all-star in Klay - Pippen would never be 2nd option on a team with other scoring options.. see the Rockets and Blazers where he was 3rd to 8th option - a non-scoring hustler/bum outside the triangle

You sure? His GmSc for the series is 14.1. Didn't you say that Pippen never reached '95 finals Peak Horry' capacity because of the 19.0 GmSc?

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[3ba11]

that's not what you said...you laid out the 19pt criteria, no one else did. then when you're given proof to negate your absent-mindset, you move the goal posts and bring in some other footnote.

you're just full of it lol


I will concede that Curry proved me wrong again - I didn't think he would win with Pippen-caliber from Wiggins, and he did exactly that

He won with Pippen trash from Wiggins

That's why I have Curry top 5 - he proved me wrong

Otoh, Lebron never won with Pippen trash from a sidekick because Lebron never had to carry the scoring load in a Finals win - he always had equal-scoring partners (within 5 ppg) to attract equal defensive attention and therefore never defeated maximum defensive attention

[Phoenix]

3ball aka Amber Heard getting slaughtered in here.

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[3ba11]

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I will concede that Curry proved me wrong again - I didn't think he would win with Pippen-caliber from Wiggins, and he did exactly that

He won with Pippen trash from Wiggins

That's why I have Curry top 5 - he proved me wrong

Otoh, Lebron never won with Pippen trash from a sidekick or while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in Finals).. Not being able to defeat maximum defensive attention or carry a weak player like Wiggins proves that he's inferior to Curry

[Phoenix]

I will concede that Curry proved me wrong again - I didn't think he would win with Pippen-caliber from Wiggins, and he did exactly that

He won with Pippen trash from Wiggins

That's why I have Curry top 5 - he proved me wrong

Otoh, Lebron never won with Pippen trash from a sidekick or while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in Finals).. Not being able to defeat maximum defensive attention or carry a weak player like Wiggins proves that he's inferior to Curry

3autobot™


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODy_VrL_EXo

[Phoenix]

You sure? His GmSc for the series is 14.1. Didn't you say that Pippen never reached '95 finals Peak Horry' capacity because of the 19.0 GmSc?

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Notice that 3autobot skipped right over this post to instead address a meme via a copy-paste of what he said in post#142.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODy_VrL_EXo

[3ba11]

3autobot™


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODy_VrL_EXo


Curry proved me wrong but this thread also confirms that Curry is superior to Lebron.. Curry won by carrying the scoring load for a secondary producer at sidekick, while Lebron always needed a 1st option all-time scorer that could nearly match his Finals scoring..

[Phoenix]

Curry proved me wrong but this thread also confirms that Curry is superior to Lebron because he won with Pippen-caliber from a sidekick and Lebron never did..

Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals)

So you've said.

2022 Warriors win/lose depending on Wiggins paralleling player's scoring ppg from 30 years ago
2022 Cetlics=90's Bulls....................no wait never mind
Wiggins>Pippen ( who didn't see this one coming?)
Poor reading comprehension
05 Hughes
89 Pippen
09 Mo
95 finals Horry
Criteria
Curry is most overrated ever....I mean top 5 GOAT
Giannis is Pippen-level bum.... I mean top 10 GOAT
Oubre
I have I N T E G R I T Y
Brand of Ball
Organic chips
Talent-based winning
Weak jumpshooting
Beginner format
Defeating maximum defensive attention

[3ba11]

So you've said.

2022 Warriors win/lose depending on Wiggins paralleling player's scoring ppg from 30 years ago
2022 Cetlics=90's Bulls....................no wait never mind
Wiggins>Pippen ( who didn't see this one coming?)
Poor reading comprehension
05 Hughes
89 Pippen
09 Mo
95 finals Horry
Criteria
Curry is most overrated ever....I mean top 5 GOAT
Giannis is Pippen-level bum.... I mean top 10 GOAT
Oubre
I have I N T E G R I T Y
Brand of Ball
Organic chips
Talent-based winning
Weak jumpshooting
Beginner format
Defeating maximum defensive attention


Just listing "95' Horry" and other phrases is pretty dumb

To pretend it was some meaningless phrase is low character and means that you couldn't refute it - indeed, Pippen's production never matched 95' Horry in 6 tries!!!

All the other phrases that you listed have similar proof backing them up.... 89' Mo, 05' Hughes, etc

[Phoenix]

Just listing "95' Horry" and other phrases is pretty dumb

To pretend it was some meaningless phrase is low character and means that you couldn't refute it - indeed, Pippen's production never matched 95' Horry in 6 tries!!!

All the other phrases that you listed have similar proof backing them up.... 89' Mo, 05' Hughes, etc

Yes they are dumb, they're your comments. But yes, the essence of 'low character' is pretending some dumb ass comment devoid of context from some jackass on a random message board is meaningless. Thanks, we can add that to the list.

New addition in bold

low character
2022 Warriors win/lose depending on Wiggins paralleling player's scoring ppg from 30 years ago
2022 Cetlics=90's Bulls....................no wait never mind
Wiggins>Pippen ( who didn't see this one coming?)
Poor reading comprehension
05 Hughes
89 Pippen
09 Mo
95 finals Horry
Criteria
Curry is most overrated ever....I mean top 5 GOAT
Giannis is Pippen-level bum.... I mean top 10 GOAT
Oubre
I have I N T E G R I T Y
Brand of Ball
Organic chips
Talent-based winning
Weak jumpshooting
Beginner format
Defeating maximum defensive attention

[Phoenix]

BTW, Andrew Wiggins production this finals (14.1 GmSc) is lower than peak Pippen finals production. Thanks for playing, kindly head for the nearest cliff.

[1987_Lakers]

Maybe I mis-worded the title, but the Warriors needed a minimum of Pippen-caliber from Wiggins to win and they got it (it's a low bar obv)



Still can't believe he posted that. :lol

[r15mohd]

Still can't believe he posted that. :lol

he's so absent minded - it's the complete opposite of what he's trying to argue and doesnt realize it lol

[Axe]

he's so absent minded - it's the complete opposite of what he's trying to argue and doesnt realize it lol
What's even worse is that some of his disciples fully support him and his crappy views in different threads. Talk about being delusional.

[red1]

OP just cant stop putting his foot in his mouth



my guy 3ball is dumber than a sack of rocks



the human punching bag :roll:

[red1]

and he's even built like a punching bag too :roll:


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