Organic Finals

[StrongLurk]

Feels like the first finals in a LONG time where both teams drafted/developed their core players.

GS - Curry, Klay, Dray and others
Celtics - JT, Brown, Smart and others.

Both teams are top two in defense and have a ton of chemistry on offense.

With that being said, Warriors should be big favorites. They have SO much more experience on this stage than the Celtics. In fact, the Warriors core have over one hundred finals games over experience where as the Celtics have zero.

[Shooter]

LOL

Andrew Wiggins
Al Horford
Derrick White

Back to the drawing board tard :lol

[bdonovan]

Homegrown talent. It's a recipe for team ball. Very hard to win in the postseason with pure ISO- as Durant, Kyrie, and the 76ers are figuring out.

[bdonovan]

LOL

Andrew Wiggins
Al Horford
Derrick White

Back to the drawing board tard :lol

The exceptions don't make the rule. The best players on both teams were drafted.

[StrongLurk]

LOL

Andrew Wiggins
Al Horford
Derrick White

Back to the drawing board tard :lol

None of those are the "core players". Did you even read my OP?

Literally every team has new free agents join, don't be obtuse.

[Shogon]

There's no such thing as an "organic" team unless they drafted 100% of their own players.

Because the moment you step away from drafted their own players or not, you've officially entered into bickering about whether the front offices should have control of roster signings or trades or the players should have control of roster signings or trades.

Anything other than 100% drafted ALL of the players on the roster is "inorganic."

Superstars team up because the public and sports media make them insecure by putting so much emphasis on championships when evaluating individual players.

And the reason we and the media put so much emphasis on championships for individuals is because we're retarded and don't recognize that this is a team sport and the nuance and complexity of evaluating individuals in team based sports is really, really difficult if not impossible. And because we have pea brains, we automatically jump to "HE WIN? HE GOOD. HE NOT WIN? HE BAD!" and here we are.


If you have a problem with Durant to Golden State, if you have a problem with LeBron to Miami, try looking into a mirror dipshit. You... YOU are the reason these guys are insecure enough to do this shit in the first place, because... you are... retarded.

[StrongLurk]

There's no such thing as an "organic" team unless they drafted 100% of their own players.

Because the moment you step away from drafted their own players or not, you've officially entered into bickering about whether the front offices should have control of roster changes or the players should have control of roster changes.

Anything other than 100% drafted ALL of the players on the roster is "inorganic."

You are also being obtuse. In the free agency NBA, organic is referring to the "core" of a team. The core of the Warriors and Celtics were all drafted. When was the last time we saw two teams in the finals who actually drafted their core?

[Shooter]

The best players on both teams were drafted.

I know those are words you typed up but what does that even mean? Like...So what?

Is Andrew Wiggins not a MAJOR contributor for the Warriors?
Is Al Horford not a MAJOR contributor for the Celtics?

Of course Curry and Tatum are important but neither team is in the Finals without Wiggins and Horford.

[Shogon]

You are also being obtuse. In the free agency NBA, organic is referring to the "core" of a team. The core of the Warriors and Celtics were all drafted. When was the last time we saw two teams in the finals who actually drafted their core?

What does it matter?

You're just getting twisted up over shit that doesn't matter because you want to defame and discredit people that you don't like.

Like I said, the moment you get away from 100% drafted, you are getting into an argument of who should control the rosters, players or front offices.

[StrongLurk]

What does it matter?

You're just getting twisted up over shit that doesn't matter because you want to defame and discredit people that you don't like.

Like I said, the moment you get away from 100% drafted, you are getting into an argument of who should control the rosters, players or front offices.

I literally just think it's interesting how we have two teams in the finals with drafted cores and am asking when was the last time this occured. I am completely calm, ironically you seem to be the one who is upset.

Edit: lol just saw your other post...yeah you are definitely the one getting twisted and triggered. Relax.

[Shooter]

What does it matter?

You're just getting twisted up over shit that doesn't matter because you want to defame and discredit people that you don't like.

Like I said, the moment you get away from 100% drafted, you are getting into an argument of who should control the rosters, players or front offices.

+1

It was a low IQ premise from the start.

[Shooter]

I literally just think it's interesting how we have two teams in the finals with drafted cores and am asking when was the last time this occured. I am completely calm, ironically you seem to be the one who is upset.

How about let's take one step back and ask

"How many teams even HAVE a core of guys they drafted." Start there. Light bulb click on yet?

[StrongLurk]

+1

It was a low IQ premise from the start.

There is literally no "premise" to my OP...just stating an interesting fact and then stating I still think the Warriors should easily be favorites.

You and the other guy are melting down over nothing.

[Shogon]

I literally just think it's interesting how we have two teams in the finals with drafted cores and am asking when was the last time this occured. I am completely calm, ironically you seem to be the one who is upset.

You made this thread because you don't like one player, lol.

You aren't completely calm... you are making threads because you don't like people. You are highly irrational, obsessive, and bordering on deranged.

You are trolling, I am not. I am telling the truth, as per usual. You are not, that's your problem.

[ArbitraryWater]

LOL

Andrew Wiggins
Al Horford
Derrick White

Back to the drawing board tard :lol

role players, tbf


well not Wigg

[StrongLurk]

You made this thread because you don't like one player, lol.

You aren't completely calm... you are making threads because you don't like people. You are highly irrational, obsessive, and bordering on deranged.

You are trolling, I am not. I am telling the truth, as per usual. You are not, that's your problem.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Is it not interesting that both teams drafted their cores? That's a very rare occurence is it not? Seriously, what's wrong with you?

[Shogon]

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Is it not interesting that both teams drafted their cores? That's a very rare occurence is it not? Seriously, what's wrong with you?

Yeah, you do though. And you're a liar on top of obsessive. Nice.

[TheGoatest]

Organic? With all the rest the Warriors have had over the recent seasons? :roll:

[StrongLurk]

Organic? With all the rest the Warriors have had over the recent seasons? :roll:

Organic simply refers to drafted "cores" in the free agency era NBA - which has been around a long time. Also are you really referring to the Warriors key players getting injured over the last few years as a positive thing? They could have made other finals if they were healthy.

Geez, why are there so many triggered folks in this thread? Life is good, relax.

[bdonovan]

There's no such thing as an "organic" team unless they drafted 100% of their own players.


It's not all-or-nothing proposition. You will not find many if any teams in the NBA where they didn't trade for at least one of their players or pick someone up from free agency. It's still unique and of interest that both team's key players were drafted. Not sure why OP is getting all of these odd responses that are desperately trying to negate what he's saying.

[Shogon]

It's not all-or-nothing proposition. You will not find many if any teams in the NBA where they didn't trade for at least one of their players or pick someone up from free agency. It's still unique and of interest that both team's key players were drafted. Not sure why OP is getting all of these odd responses that are desperately trying to negate what he's saying.


You're either too dumb enough to know what's going on here, or you're a weirdo alt account.

[beasted]

Bronnies in here triggered AF.

[Shooter]

role players, tbf


well not Wigg

You think Boston is the the Finals without Horford? I don't.

He was very important in that Bucks series where he led Boston in rebounds, steals, blocks and a 98 Def RTG. Plus he still gave Boston 13 points on 49/39/88 splits which is amazing as a 3rd option to do all that.

[Sulico]

Organic chip is coming!

[GrayGoat]

Cage free grass fed

[FultzNationRISE]

Cage free grass fed


With no hormones added (just like the ones Lebron won)

[tpols]

Anything other than 100% drafted ALL of the players on the roster is "inorganic."


That's a pretty silly way of classifying things. Curry, Klay, Dray, Looney, and Poole were all drafted by Golden State. Just because one guy (Wiggins) wasn't drafted by them makes them inorganic? Nah.

And Boston drafted Tatum, Brown, Smart, Williams etc. Both teams cores are homegrown. OP is correct. The way you put things is like the racist one drop rule.

[bullettooth]

Playoffs and finals have been a lot more fun since LeShithead hasnt been around.

[tpols]

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Is it not interesting that both teams drafted their cores? That's a very rare occurence is it not? Seriously, what's wrong with you?

Yup... The last organic cores to play each other was Spurs vs Cavs in 2007 I think. And before that Bulls vs Jazz in 1998.

Its actually startling because if you go back to the 80s and 90s organic cores played each other all the time. Now they almost never do. Players team hop like bitches today.

[Shooter]

Yup... The last organic cores to play each other was Spurs vs Cavs in 2007 I think. And before that Bulls vs Jazz in 1998.

Its actually startling because if you go back to the 80s and 90s organic cores played each other all the time. Now they almost never do. Players team hop like bitches today.

If Shaq never "team hops" then Kobe has three fewer rings :lol Careful now

[ClipperRevival]

Bronnies in here triggered AF.

So this. These boyz haven't been right since missing the play-in.

[ClipperRevival]

None of those are the "core players". Did you even read my OP?

Literally every team has new free agents join, don't be obtuse.

https://c.tenor.com/xR_EY8YgDl8AAAAM/how-can-you-be-so-obtuse-andy-dufresne.gif

[tpols]

If Shaq never "team hops" then Kobe has three fewer rings :lol Careful now

Never know about that since you're pretty much eliminating half his prime. If LA got Kobe just a Pau level piece he could have won rings. And we know that as a fact. Shaq otoh required GOAT guards in Kobe and Wade to win. He needed more help.

Kobe was on the way to organic titles btw in the late 2000s. In 2008 the Lakers were a top seed before the Pau trade. Bynum was an awesome homegrown center who just ended up getting hurt. If Bynum is healthy they wouldn't even need Pau. So it was a fair swap.

[Meticode]

Feels like the first finals in a LONG time where both teams drafted/developed their core players.

GS - Curry, Klay, Dray and others
Celtics - JT, Brown, Smart and others.

Both teams are top two in defense and have a ton of chemistry on offense.

With that being said, Warriors should be big favorites. They have SO much more experience on this stage than the Celtics. In fact, the Warriors core have over one hundred finals games over experience where as the Celtics have zero.

What short term memory. Just last year the Bucks beat the Suns in the Finals. The Suns core players are Ayton, Booker, Bridges. All who were drafted by the Suns. Bucks had Giannis (drafted) and Middleton that both have been with the team for over 8 years. Granted, Middleton was received from the Pistons, but no one knew he would turn out this good. He developed his game in Milwaukee and got better and better each of his first five seasons there. Last year was more organic to me than this year for the simply fact neither of those teams had been in the Finals for decades.

[tpols]

What short term memory. Just last year the Bucks beat the Suns in the Finals. The Suns core players are Ayton, Booker, Bridges. All who were drafted by the Suns. Bucks had Giannis (drafted) and Middleton that both have been with the team for over 8 years. Granted, Middleton was received from the Pistons, but no one knew he would turn out this good. He developed his game in Milwaukee and got better and better each of his first five seasons there. Last year was more organic to me than this year for the simply fact neither of those teams had been in the Finals for decades.

How are you going to leave out Chris Paul as part of the suns core last year?

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


Good teammate fits, development and chemistry is required to win with the teammates you have (organically)

Unfortunately, some skillsets have bad teammate fits, development or chemistry, so they can't win organically like Luka, Lebron, Westbrook or Harden - these guys lack the skillset to win with brand of ball, so they must be talent-based winners (all-star team strategy.. team-hoppers).. They simply form super-team talent and don't actually know how to win (organic.. brand of ball)

[Hey Yo]

Never know about that since you're pretty much eliminating half his prime. If LA got Kobe just a Pau level piece he could have won rings. And we know that as a fact. Shaq otoh required GOAT guards in Kobe and Wade to win. He needed more help.

Kobe was on the way to organic titles btw in the late 2000s. In 2008 the Lakers were a top seed before the Pau trade. Bynum was an awesome homegrown center who just ended up getting hurt. If Bynum is healthy they wouldn't even need Pau. So it was a fair swap.
There's nothing organic about refusing to sign for the team that wanted to draft you.

No chance Kobe stays with NJ his entire career.

[3ba11]

There's nothing organic about refusing to sign for the team that wanted to draft you.

No chance Kobe stays with NJ his entire career.


Kobe's skillset has the teammate fits, development and chemistry required to win organically, while Luka, Lebron or Harden have bad teammate fits and can't win organically.. See the thread cliffs (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?504816-Organic-Finals&p=14611212&viewfull=1#post14611212)

[red1]

What short term memory. Just last year the Bucks beat the Suns in the Finals. The Suns core players are Ayton, Booker, Bridges. All who were drafted by the Suns. Bucks had Giannis (drafted) and Middleton that both have been with the team for over 8 years. Granted, Middleton was received from the Pistons, but no one knew he would turn out this good. He developed his game in Milwaukee and got better and better each of his first five seasons there. Last year was more organic to me than this year for the simply fact neither of those teams had been in the Finals for decades.

got the best ring in NBA history these clowns tears just make it better :oldlol:


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51TG4jVdo7L.jpg

[Shooter]

Never know about that since you're pretty much eliminating half his prime. If LA got Kobe just a Pau level piece he could have won rings. And we know that as a fact. Shaq otoh required GOAT guards in Kobe and Wade to win. He needed more help.

Kobe was on the way to organic titles btw in the late 2000s. In 2008 the Lakers were a top seed before the Pau trade. Bynum was an awesome homegrown center who just ended up getting hurt. If Bynum is healthy they wouldn't even need Pau. So it was a fair swap.

So I'm assuming you weren't watching basketball then or you forgot about Odom and Artest?

[Meticode]

How are you going to leave out Chris Paul as part of the suns core last year?

Because he's a piece of that team. Just like Holiday is a piece of the Bucks, but majority of their good, young talent on either team just like Boston and Golden State this year was developed within the organization. My point is the Bucks and Suns weren't a formed super-team which we're accustomed to the last decade like it has been with the Miamis and Warriors 5+ years ago and Clevelands. This isn't the first year of it, last year was the first year "in a long time".

[Shooter]

got the best ring in NBA history these clowns tears just make it better :oldlol:


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51TG4jVdo7L.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/90jpPtDx/cleveland.jpg

[StrongLurk]

What short term memory. Just last year the Bucks beat the Suns in the Finals. The Suns core players are Ayton, Booker, Bridges. All who were drafted by the Suns. Bucks had Giannis (drafted) and Middleton that both have been with the team for over 8 years. Granted, Middleton was received from the Pistons, but no one knew he would turn out this good. He developed his game in Milwaukee and got better and better each of his first five seasons there. Last year was more organic to me than this year for the simply fact neither of those teams had been in the Finals for decades.

Close regarding the Suns, except they were doing NOTHING until Chris Paul came...he's too good of a free agent imo, but the Suns were VERY close to organic.

Bucks were NOT organic either.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe's skillset has the teammate fits, development and chemistry required to win organically, while Luka, Lebron or Harden have bad teammate fits and can't win organically.. See the thread cliffs (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?504816-Organic-Finals&p=14611212&viewfull=1#post14611212)

So why was he so afraid to sign with the Nets then? He didn't have the skillset to be a starter for him to try to develop chemistry?

[Meticode]

Close regarding the Suns, except they were doing NOTHING until Chris Paul came...he's too good of a free agent imo, but the Suns were VERY close to organic.

Bucks were NOT organic either.

We'll agree to disagree then. Christ Paul has always been overrated to me the last 5+ years. Did he help turn the Suns around? Yes. Was it the major reason? Possibly. You can't disregard the development of Booker, Ayton and Bridges either.

[StrongLurk]

Yup... The last organic cores to play each other was Spurs vs Cavs in 2007 I think. And before that Bulls vs Jazz in 1998.

Its actually startling because if you go back to the 80s and 90s organic cores played each other all the time. Now they almost never do. Players team hop like bitches today.

Yes Cavs/Spurs was pretty organic, although those Cavs didn't really have a "core"...it was legit just Lebron.

[StrongLurk]

Kobe's skillset has the teammate fits, development and chemistry required to win organically, while Luka, Lebron or Harden have bad teammate fits and can't win organically.. See the thread cliffs (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?504816-Organic-Finals&p=14611212&viewfull=1#post14611212)

I think Kobe does have the "skillset" you are referencing...but none of Kobe's rings were organic. In fact it's almost impossible for any Laker rings to be organic because they are the biggest free agent/trade destiny in NBA history.

So yeah, no organic rings for Kobe (Shaq, Odom, Pau, Artest etc. were not drafted by the Lakers).

[red1]

lebron's two biggest haters in the league are on the same team right now both playing on the nets - curry and dray are actually lebron fans


kyrie officially bent the knee this year admitting that he cost lebron rings on the cavaliers and lebron's second biggest hater durant just got swept in the first round




what does that tell you? :oldlol:

[3ba11]

I think Kobe does have the "skillset" you are referencing...but none of Kobe's rings were organic. In fact it's almost impossible for any Laker rings to be organic because they are the biggest free agent/trade destiny in NBA history.


Organic encompasses a lot of situations because no roster is going to be 100% organic 1 through 12.. There's always an acquisition here and there

But generally, if a player wins with the team that drafted him - it's organic - and it requires "organic" skills that can grow the teammates they have, and fit with them

[StrongLurk]

Organic encompasses a lot of situations because no roster is going to be 100% organic 1 through 12.. There's always an acquisition here and there

But generally, if a player wins with the team that drafted him - it's organic - and it requires "organic" skills that can grow the teammates they have, and fit with them

Kobe was drafted by the Hornets so you are wrong twice now.

Also are you saying Lebron's 2016 ring was organic since it was won on the Cavs?


...obviously you are contradicting yourself a lot here because you don't want to accept that Kobe was zero organic rings...

[3ba11]

Kobe was drafted by the Hornets so you are wrong twice now.

Also are you saying Lebron's 2016 ring was organic since it was won on the Cavs?


...obviously you are contradicting yourself a lot here because you don't want to accept that Kobe was zero organic rings...


Kyrie won organically in 2016

It's a good thing that he did what 1st options are supposed to do by building the team each year - consequently, the Cavs were just barely attractive enough for Lebron to return in 16'

Otoh, Pippen took a 3-peat champion and destroyed it to lottery in less than 18 months until MJ returned.. He simply wasn't a 1st option and was only a 2nd option alongside MJ

[red1]

Kyrie won organically in 2016

It's a good thing that he improved the team each year so it was just barely attractive enough for Lebron to return

Otoh, Pippen took a 3-peat champion and destroyed it to lottery in less than 18 months until MJ returned

kyrie won organically in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M6WlB6MEPE&ab_channel=ESPN


by apologizing for costing lebron rings in cleveland :roll:

[Shooter]

lebron's two biggest haters in the league are on the same team right now both playing on the nets - curry and dray are actually lebron fans


kyrie officially bent the knee this year admitting that he cost lebron rings on the cavaliers and lebron's second biggest hater durant just got swept in the first round




what does that tell you? :oldlol:

https://media.giphy.com/media/14ceV8wMLIGO6Q/giphy.gif

[red1]

that was hands down the highlight of kyrie's career



getting carried to his only ring

[Shooter]

that was hands down the highlight of kyrie's career



getting carried to his only ring

It is the ONLY reason why he is relevant.

3 years prior to LeBron's arrival he was LOTTERY
LeBron shows up and they make 3 Finals in a row
Then 3 years after LeBron's departure he has ONE playoff series win :lol

You can't make this shit up.

[red1]

It is the ONLY reason why he is relevant.

3 years prior to LeBron's arrival he was LOTTERY
LeBron shows up and they make 3 Finals in a row
Then 3 years after LeBron's departure he has ONE playoff series win :lol

You can't make this shit up.

thats a very literal assessment of kyrie's career


you can ask what celtics and nets fans think of kyrie's supposed GOAT career


the people I know in cleveland literally laugh at kyrie and appreciate lebron- ALL of them laugh at kyrie and love lebron :oldlol:

[red1]

my guy kyrie was burning sage like he learned a new truth and escaped the devil and was about to turn a new leaf



ended up apologizing and wisening up to the fact that he was a moron

[3ba11]

It is the ONLY reason why he is relevant.

3 years prior to LeBron's arrival he was LOTTERY
LeBron shows up and they make 3 Finals in a row
Then 3 years after LeBron's departure he has ONE playoff series win :lol

You can't make this shit up.


Imagine if Pippen went to the 93' Finals and destroyed MVP Malone - and then imagine that Jordan says those Finals was his best personal accomplishment and infact the goat accomplishment - Pippen would obviously have legit reason to be mad.

But Pippen has no reason to be mad at MJ because Pippen peaked at 21 ppg in the Finals and never got within 10 ppg of Mike in any series (carried)

[8Ball]

All of LeBron's teams were organic. Built through the draft, trades, free agency. Like every single other championship winning team in modern history.

So thread is wrong since LeBron went to the finals 10x, all with organic teams.

[Shooter]

Imagine if Pippen went to the 93' Finals and destroyed MVP Malone - and then imagine that Jordan says those Finals was his best personal accomplishment and infact the goat accomplishment - Pippen would obviously have legit reason to be mad.

But Pippen has no reason to be mad at MJ because Pippen peaked at 21 ppg in the Finals and never got within 10 ppg of Mike in any series (carried)

You would SHIT your pants if Kyrie won only 2 fewer games on the same Cavs squad if LeBron left.
You with SHIT your pants if Kyrie was top 3 in MVP

[red1]

Imagine if Pippen went to the 93' Finals and destroyed MVP Malone - and then imagine that Jordan says those Finals was his best personal accomplishment and infact the goat accomplishment - Pippen would obviously have legit reason to be mad.

But Pippen has no reason to be mad at MJ because Pippen peaked at 21 ppg in the Finals and never got within 10 ppg of Mike in any series (carried)

dude you single-handedly proved why mike's narrative and legacy is a joke, by being such a hater of everyone else


mike's own legacy is absolute dogshit by your fake standards. you literally proved why lebron is better by using your fake standards. :oldlol:

[Shooter]

dude you single-handedly proved why mike's narrative and legacy is a joke, by being such a hater of everyone else


mike's own legacy is absolute dogshit by your fake standards. you literally proved why lebron is better by using your fake standards. :oldlol:

:lol 3ball has secretly been on the LeBron payroll a long time now :lol

[StrongLurk]

Kyrie won organically in 2016

It's a good thing that he did what 1st options are supposed to do by building the team each year - consequently, the Cavs were just barely attractive enough for Lebron to return in 16'

Otoh, Pippen took a 3-peat champion and destroyed it to lottery in less than 18 months until MJ returned.. He simply wasn't a 1st option and was only a 2nd option alongside MJ

If Kyrie's 2016 ring is organic then so is Lebron's 2016 ring. However I don't think it's an organic ring for either of them.

I also don't think an organic ring is inherently better than a "non-organic" ring. Vast majority of rings in NBA history are "non-organic".

[8Ball]

Zero teams in modern history won championships with just drafts.

So your definition of organic is just wrong and not applicable.

My definition is correct and I proved this.

[StrongLurk]

Zero teams in modern history won championships with just drafts.

So your definition of organic is just wrong and not applicable.

My definition is correct and I proved this.

I'm simply referring to organic "cores", which is usually the teams 3-4 best players. This applies to the Warriors and Celtics.

[8Ball]

Cavs drafted both LeBron and Kyrie.

[GrayGoat]

LeBron is from Ohio. That’s as organic as it gets

[kawhileonard2]

Feels like the first finals in a LONG time where both teams drafted/developed their core players.

GS - Curry, Klay, Dray and others
Celtics - JT, Brown, Smart and others.

Both teams are top two in defense and have a ton of chemistry on offense.

With that being said, Warriors should be big favorites. They have SO much more experience on this stage than the Celtics. In fact, the Warriors core have over one hundred finals games over experience where as the Celtics have zero.

Very true!

[Spurs m8]

LOL

Andrew Wiggins
Al Horford
Derrick White

Back to the drawing board tard :lol

This guy is literally retarded hahahhahahah

Watch the bronnies attempt to gaslight, deceive and meltdown

[tontoz]

Wiggins was aquired through the DLo trade. This is his first finals so he isn't exactly part of their core.

What OP is trying to say is that the teams weren't built through player collusion trying to stack the deck. I would argue that last year's finals was the same story.

[3ba11]

Warriors should be big favorites. They have SO much more experience on this stage than the Celtics. In fact, the Warriors core have over one hundred finals games over experience where as the Celtics have zero





^^^ that's exactly what everyone said about the 91' Lakers - they had all the experience, while also having more scoring options and a better-ranked defense. Lakers had 4 guys average 17+ in those Finals

[Shooter]

^^^ that's exactly what everyone said about the 91' Lakers - they had all the experience, while also having more scoring options and a better-ranked defense

Well if Curry has AIDS, Klay gets hurt, and Jaylen Brown (#2 option) outscores Curry then I could see Boston winning too.

For reference, in 1991 Magic had aids, Worthy got hurt, and Pippen outscored Magic.

[3ba11]

Well if Curry has AIDS, Klay gets hurt, and Tatum outscores Curry then I could see Boston winning too.

For reference, in 1991 Magic had aids, Worthy got hurt, and Pippen outscored Magic.


Magic was runner-up for MVP in 1991 and Jordan stomped him - a top 5 all-timer in his prime

And a hobbled Worthy still nearly matched Pippen's scoring because it was never that high for a transition player/hustler like Pippen

Lakers had 4 guys get 17+, aka 4 Pippens

[Shooter]

Magic was runner-up for MVP in 1991 and Jordan stomped him on both ends

And a hobbled Worthy still nearly matched Pippen's scoring because it was never that high for a transition player/hustler like Pippen

Lakers had 4 guys get 17+, aka Pippen-level scoring

For reference, in 1991 Magic had aids, Worthy got hurt, and Pippen outscored Magic.

[3ba11]

For reference, in 1991 Magic had aids, Worthy got hurt, and Pippen outscored Magic.


For reference, Magic was runner-up for MVP in 1991 and Jordan stomped him on both ends

And a hobbled Worthy still matched Pippen's scoring because it was never that high for a transition player/hustler like Pippen

Lakers had 4 guys get 17+, aka 4 Pippens

[kawhileonard2]

For reference, in 1991 Magic had aids, Worthy got hurt, and Pippen outscored Magic.

For reference Lebron molested his kids. Kyrie outplayed Steph and hit the game winner on him.

[iamgine]

These two teams can indeed be classified as organic.

The error comes from making a big deal out of organic or non-organic. It does not matter.