Time to ban cars

[BigKobeFan]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-dead-19-taken-hospital-085429586.html

[warriorfan]

Our children are dying. Everyday. And everyday our politicians do nothing. Kids are dying. Do something today.

[Shogon]

We do have a "gun problem" with the age requirement imo, as 1 kid dying to some 18 year old psycho is too many. 18 year olds are not adults and I honestly think we need to redefine what an adult is, but that being said, you're not wrong.

This incident is statistically irrelevant.

Your chances of dying in a car wreck are far far far greater than dying to a school shooting as a kid. Probably exponentially higher, tbh.

At the end of the day though, car deaths are "part of the plan" and "to be expected." They're "supposed to happen." They're "ok." Guns deaths are not.

You see, it's not about the actual death or preventing kids from dying. It's about the emotions and perception of the situations.

It's not about kids dying. It's about how people feel.

[Shogon]

I looked it up, since 2000, there have been like 200ish fatalities at schools due to shootings.

200.

And people lose their absolute ****ing minds at this number. 200 is too many, but it's also the cost of doing business. And I know that sounds heartless, but it's the truth.

If any of you that get super worked up over these stories knew how incomprehensibly small 200 is when comparing it to the hundreds of millions of people that exist in this country, you would calm the **** down.

Sending your kid to school is safe. In all extreme probability, they're not going to get shot. You're stupid if you think otherwise.

You have let the TV do your thinking for you.

[Shogon]

Globally you've got a 1 in 27 shot of dying before 5 years old due to whatever reason.

Your chances of dying to a school shooting specifically are so much smaller than that, it's hard to comprehend.

Again, the news just always focuses on these stories because they're emotionally inflammatory and people can't keep their emotions in check about them.

[Shogon]

20% of kids aged 6 to 11 are obese. 20%.

Let that sink in.

[Patrick Chewing]

Democrats have blood on their hands.

[diamenz]

At the end of the day though, car deaths are "part of the plan" and "to be expected." They're "supposed to happen." They're "ok." Guns deaths are not.


but it's not about which deaths 'matter' or which ones are sensationalized to tug at people's heartstrings with slow, sad piano riffs playing before a commercial break.

it's about whether or not we've done everything we can from a policy perspective to help prevent these things from happening. we've done what we can to prevent car accidents, so in 2022, it is what it is. we obviously can't stop mass shootings from happening, but have we done everything we can to prevent them?

i threw together a list of things in the main thread but none of the usual suspects on either side that always points fingers want to talk about them. everybody's only interested in talking shit and rubbing people the wrong way.

:hammerhead: 'merca.

[Off the Court]

but it's not about which deaths 'matter' or which ones are sensationalized to tug at people's heartstrings with slow, sad piano riffs playing before a commercial break.

it's about whether or not we've done everything we can from a policy perspective to help prevent these things from happening. we've done what we can to prevent car accidents, so in 2022, it is what it is. we obviously can't stop mass shootings from happening, but have we done everything we can to prevent them?

i threw together a list of things in the main thread but none of the usual suspects on either side that always points fingers want to talk about them. everybody's only interested in talking shit and rubbing people the wrong way.

:hammerhead: 'merca.

I saw your list, it was a good list. We need to do all of those things. Holiday weekend not many looking in here. But you're right retarded arguments like this need to cease.

We actually have WAY WAY WAY more regulation around cars than guns. Car companies spend millions of not billions on car safety. They wreck their own cars repeatedly. They're are strict laws in place around car safety. And we aren't done we continue to make auto driving safer. Is be okay raising driving age to 18. Times are changing.

The simple fact that you need a license to drive a car and not own an assault weapon says enough.

[Shogon]

but it's not about which deaths 'matter' or which ones are sensationalized to tug at people's heartstrings with slow, sad piano riffs playing before a commercial break.

it's about whether or not we've done everything we can from a policy perspective to help prevent these things from happening. we've done what we can to prevent car accidents, so in 2022, it is what it is. we obviously can't stop mass shootings from happening, but have we done everything we can to prevent them?

i threw together a list of things in the main thread but none of the usual suspects on either side that always points fingers want to talk about them. everybody's only interested in talking shit and rubbing people the wrong way.

:hammerhead: 'merca.

No, we haven't done nearly as much as we could do to reduce car deaths. We could mandate mass transit. That's unrealistic, ok. So we could reduce speed limits nation wide which would reduce fatalities. We could up the fines for lack of seatbelts on children. We could literally jail people for speeding. All of this would reduce deaths drastically.

Yes, it absolutely 1000% is about which ones are sensationalized to tug at people's heartstrings with slow, sad piano riffs playing before a commercial break, as you put it. That's literally the whole thing.

In point of actual fact, the amount of media attention that has been given to this situation since columbine has just resulted in multiple copycat type situations over the years that literally did not exist prior to that moment. The argument could be made that the media is a bigger problem than the guns.

The question is... why have we had all of these situations happen since then when they weren't happening prior? That's the grand daddy question. Address that, and you fix most of your problem. Guns and gun regulations can be improved but they are not ultimately the problem. It's bigger.

[Off the Court]

Yes, it absolutely 1000% is about which ones are sensationalized to tug at people's heartstrings with slow, sad piano riffs playing before a commercial break, as you put it. That's literally the whole thing.

Like all deaths are equal? nope

Vast bulk of gun deaths are either suicide or inner city drug dealers killing each other. Both of these are huge issues but a FAR cry from innocent children being gunned down by a random maniac for no reason. We can not let that happen any more, sorry. "Heartstrings" are touched and they should be in this situation.

[warriorfan]

Like all deaths are equal? nope

Vast bulk of gun deaths are either suicide or inner city drug dealers killing each other. Both of these are huge issues but a FAR cry from innocent children being gunned down by a random maniac for no reason. We can not let that happen any more, sorry. "Heartstrings" are touched and they should be in this situation.

wut

[Off the Court]

Also just the entire thought process of "lots of people die because of "X" so who cares about "Y" is retarded.

Millions die of heart disease and cancer so we should turn a blind eye to everything else? That's a nonsensical low IQ thought process.

[Off the Court]

wut
Put the crack rock down and read again.

[Shogon]

Like all deaths are equal? nope

Vast bulk of gun deaths are either suicide or inner city drug dealers killing each other. Both of these are huge issues but a FAR cry from innocent children being gunned down by a random maniac for no reason. We can not let that happen any more, sorry. "Heartstrings" are touched and they should be in this situation.

Ok so let's disregard ALL gun violence at schools other than the mass shootings.

We've lost 80 people to mass school shootings since 2000.

80.

And this is a big deal worth national attention?

No, it's not.

It's the exact same shit with BLM.

Should cops that kill unarmed black men be dealt with? Yes. Should they be jailed? Depends on the situation, but yes... possibly death penalty depending on the situation.

I don't know how many times I have to tell you emotional retards that the shit the media is harping on and throwing in your face repeatedly does not necessarily accurately depict reality.

Newsflash... it often times does not.

I say again, as I've said for the hundredth time... if the national media reported every single lightning strike to a human being in the US with a straight face and tried to push it off as an epidemic, you retards would eat that shit up.

Lightning kills at least 20 a year in the US every year. That's 400 people lost to lightning strikes alone in the past 20 years just in the US... as opposed to the 80 or so that died to mass school shootings (let's call this 10 or more die in one setting) since 2000.

How many people do you know that died to lightning strikes?

Stop letting these micro instances dictate your entire world views. Holy ****.

People just don't math. That's all there is to it. Math is lost.

[Shogon]

Also just the entire thought process of "lots of people die because of "X" so who cares about "Y" is retarded.

Millions die of heart disease and cancer so we should turn a blind eye to everything else? That's a nonsensical low IQ thought process.

No dumb****. That's not the point. The point is the EXTREMELY DISPROPORTIONATE hysteria given to these other things that hardly kill anyone in reality or hardly anyone by comparison while the MAJOR KILLERS you mentioned are largely ignored is just... idiotic.

People are panicking and in tears over statistical outliers rather than being worried about actual widespread killers. It's nonsensical idiocy at best coming from people who flat out do not understand math and statistics and media agendas.

We have normalized preventable cancer and preventable cardiac deaths because it is widespread. That's just life, am I right!??! Totally not preventable.

We have not normalized kids dying in schools because it tugs on heartstrings and it's so rare. 80 kids died in 20 years? HOLY **** WE'RE MELTING DOWN. ****!!! ****!!! DO SOMETHING!!! DO SOMETHING NOW!!! *SLAMS FIST ON DESK*


Please... everyone... we MUST address the 80 kids that have lost their lives since 2000.

But the 24 million or so that have died to cancer and heart disease in the same timeframe?

Eh... not that important. No need to talk about it that much.

[Off the Court]

Yeah so my whole point is that you shouldn't treat people as "numbers" or just "math".

Because an 80 year old dying of cancer isn't the same as a child being gunned down. And lighting strikes can't be dictated but most people know to stay inside during lighting storms.

Also altering gun laws is hardly "entire world views" come on.

[Off the Court]

If we only put a f@#king fraction of time and money behind gun safety as we do cancer.

We do nothing.

We won't even allow the 18 year old who bought those AR15s tobuy a f#@king beer.

[Off the Court]

Just think about that. We ate more worried about this 18 year old drinking a beer than buying an AR15.

The laws are retarded and a million car and cancer deaths don't change the fact that the law is retarded.

[oldtimer28]

Don't joke. Crazy left are trying to ban non electric cars in Australia due to 'the environment '.

Logic and evidence based reasoning is clearly lacking.

E.g experimental vaccines kill kids for a disease that rarely does receives little to no attention but Ukraine, monkey pox or u.s school shootings (under suspicious circumstances) fuel the internet...

[bladefd]

Globally you've got a 1 in 27 shot of dying before 5 years old due to whatever reason.

Your chances of dying to a school shooting specifically are so much smaller than that, it's hard to comprehend.

Again, the news just always focuses on these stories because they're emotionally inflammatory and people can't keep their emotions in check about them.

It's essentially click bait and sensationalism at its finest. I don't think most people are as fearful of being in the middle of a mass murder.

Sensationalism happens both ways. Hampering on that fear is also click bait. "HOLY SHIT, THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS ALL OUT ON THE STREETS SCARED OUT OF THEIR MIND!!" when the fear is not anything close to that on a national level.

[Axe]

Fukk you op

[Shogon]

It's essentially click bait and sensationalism at its finest. I don't think most people are as fearful of being in the middle of a mass murder.

Sensationalism happens both ways. Hampering on that fear is also click bait. "HOLY SHIT, THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS ALL OUT ON THE STREETS SCARED OUT OF THEIR MIND!!" when the fear is not anything close to that on a national level.

True. These news outlets don't really care about political affiliation... eh... not really.

It's about money and power.

They sell fear. Period.

But there is more of it on the left and I think the reason for that is it's easier to push fear on the types of people that are inherently against maintaining the current structure of perceived power / the types of people that perceive there to be more injustices in the world than the people that do not.

[tpols]

Yeah so my whole point is that you shouldn't treat people as "numbers" or just "math".

Because an 80 year old dying of cancer isn't the same as a child being gunned down. And lighting strikes can't be dictated but most people know to stay inside during lighting storms.

Also altering gun laws is hardly "entire world views" come on.

He's actually got a point. They were giving out free Krispy Kreme and McDonalds to get a vaccine. Heart disease and cancer are by far the two biggest killers in America. They politicize certain things but turn a blind eye to the real killers because they're bought off by them.

[Shogon]

He's actually got a point. They were giving out free Krispy Kreme and McDonalds to get a vaccine. Heart disease and cancer are by far the two biggest killers in America. They politicize certain things but turn a blind eye to the real killers because they're bought off by them.

To be fair I don't think it's because people are bought off "by them."

It's because this shit is normalized.


https://youtu.be/E2yXwUm5TNs?t=150

Skip to 2:30 if it doesn't automatically go.

Pushing heart disease so you get your vaccination, lmao.

Although, ironically enough, this video actually supports your idea if you watch the whole thing lmfao.

[Shogon]

Cheeseburgers and french fries have killed more people than COVID ever will, and yet here we are... for fearful emotional reasons, rather than logically sound ones.

[JohnnySic]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUBZx68XoAAieFX?format=jpg&name=small

[Patrick Chewing]

It's essentially click bait and sensationalism at its finest. I don't think most people are as fearful of being in the middle of a mass murder.

Sensationalism happens both ways. Hampering on that fear is also click bait. "HOLY SHIT, THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS ALL OUT ON THE STREETS SCARED OUT OF THEIR MIND!!" when the fear is not anything close to that on a national level.

Literally every Democrat is crying about guns right now.

[RRR3]

The problem isn’t guns, many other countries allow guns and don’t have an epidemic of mass shootings. The problem is lack of mental health service, amongst other things. Banning guns in a country with such a militarized police force seems like a clear road to fascism too so no one should support it.

[Patrick Chewing]

The problem isn’t guns, many other countries allow guns and don’t have an epidemic of mass shootings. The problem is lack of mental health service, amongst other things. Banning guns in a country with such a militarized police force seems like a clear road to fascism too so no one should support it.

Who the fook is this guy??

[Shogon]

The problem isn’t guns, many other countries allow guns and don’t have an epidemic of mass shootings. The problem is lack of mental health service, amongst other things. Banning guns in a country with such a militarized police force seems like a clear road to fascism too so no one should support it.

No other country has guns in our numbers, though.

But I agree, mental health is a far bigger issue that is largely going unaddressed and causing an incalculable amount of pain in people's lives.

Hell I can't speak for other countries but there are still two generations of people alive right now that are hit or miss as to whether or not they believe mental health is even a real thing and these people exist in significant numbers. I think this is soon coming to an end though, hopefully.

[Shogon]

All that being said, 18 is not an adult... and they shouldn't be able to buy guns.

But then again, we've declared them old enough for the military and old enough to legally live on their own, etc.

So we'd have to re-think what an adult is, or... idk.

Imagine the uproar if people were FORCED to look after their kids until 25. I mean hell, it's pretty commonplace in this country as is already, but yeah... imagine pushing back that legal age of adulthood to 25. LMAO. People would lose their minds.

[bladefd]

Literally every Democrat is crying about guns right now.

I highly doubt it. Vocal million =/= all

You have been taken over by FauxNews hysteria that every single democrat/liberal is going through daily meltdowns over mass murders. Clickbait articles and sensationalism journalism has a very tight grasp over you and making you hysterical beyond reason.

[Off the Court]

All that being said, 18 is not an adult... and they shouldn't be able to buy guns.

But then again, we've declared them old enough for the military and old enough to legally live on their own, etc.

So we'd have to re-think what an adult is, or... idk.

Imagine the uproar if people were FORCED to look after their kids until 25. I mean hell, it's pretty commonplace in this country as is already, but yeah... imagine pushing back that legal age of adulthood to 25. LMAO. People would lose their minds.
The average age for a soldier in battle is 28, we rarely ever throw 18 year Olds out there. Because they are incompetent as f@#k and can't be trusted.

We rarely even use soldiers at all any more. Just drone strikes. Not in comparison to WW2 days anyway.

[Chick Stern]

The average age for a soldier in battle is 28, we rarely ever throw 18 year Olds out there. Because they are incompetent as f@#k and can't be trusted.

We rarely even use soldiers at all any more. Just drone strikes. Not in comparison to WW2 days anyway.
Don’t forget mercenaries. War is profitable!

[Nanners]

Our children are dying. Everyday. And everyday our politicians do nothing. Kids are dying. Do something today.


In 10 years the powers that be will unironically use this argument to force everyone to buy self driving cars

[SATAN]

Time to ban OP :lol

[Shogon]

The average age for a soldier in battle is 28, we rarely ever throw 18 year Olds out there. Because they are incompetent as f@#k and can't be trusted.

We rarely even use soldiers at all any more. Just drone strikes. Not in comparison to WW2 days anyway.

I don't care what the average age is.

The point is we have legally declared them eligible to risk their lives.

It also doesn't make much sense that you can legally force someone to be responsible for sheltering and feeding themselves at 18 but deny them the ability to buy guns... and then also say they can't drink until 21.

Just a bunch of arbitrary idiocy all over the place, tbh.

Legal adulthood should be pushed back until 21 at the absolute youngest and the only reason I start there is because nobody would go for 25 across the board.

[Jasper]

15billion auto's on the road right now.

Shit happens. majority of those deaths are of adults.

Kids are innocent, some know what is going on but they are adolescents.... having them killed without protection is like a guy walking up
behind you and blowing your head off, without a chance.