Kobe's stats: 2009 WCF/Finals & 2010 WCF/Finals...i.e. big boy pants time.

[ClipperRevival]

2009 WCF and finals stats combined:

33.3 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.1 SPG, .8 BPG - .45/.35/.90


2010 WCF and finals stats combined:

30.9 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 5.9 APG, 1.5 SPG, .9 BPG - .46/.37/.88

Resulting in 2 rings and 2 FMVP

https://c.tenor.com/dqjvA_OCPBUAAAAC/youre-welcome.gif

[Shooter]

LeBron's 2018 ppg, rpg, and apg were all higher than any of Kobe's post season high ppg, rpg, or apg from any year of his entire playoff career.

https://i.postimg.cc/QtTcRFL4/FB_IMG_1528921326607.jpg


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[ClipperRevival]

LeBron's 2018 ppg, rpg, and apg were all higher than any of Kobe's post season high ppg, rpg, or apg from any year of his entire playoff career.

https://i.postimg.cc/QtTcRFL4/FB_IMG_1528921326607.jpg


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Please post Bron's 2009 WCF/Finals and 2010 WCF/Finals stats.

[Shooter]

Please post Bron's 2009 WCF/Finals and 2010 WCF/Finals stats.

Playoff Rookie LeBron James in his first ever playoff series (2006) recorded a higher PPG than Kobe's Best ever Playoff Series :roll:

Let that sink in

LeBron's ppg in his first ever playoff series was higher than ANY Kobe playoff series. Ever.

Kobe and LeBron aren't close brother. Throw the damn towel before it's too late for you.

[ClipperRevival]

Playoff Rookie LeBron James in his first ever playoff series (2006) recorded a higher PPG than Kobe's Best ever Playoff Series :roll:

Let that sink in

LeBron's ppg in his first ever playoff series was higher than ANY Kobe playoff series. Ever.

Kobe and LeBron aren't close brother. Throw the damn towel before it's too late for you.

This thread isn't about comparing careers. It's in response to that 2008-2010 Kobe/LeBron thread.

[Shooter]

This thread isn't about comparing careers. It's in response to that 2008-2010 Kobe/LeBron thread.

Just wanted to keep you in check my boy. Don't mess with the crown.

[ShawkFactory]

I know it’s a fun little narrative given certain years but neither WCF team in 09 or 10 was tougher than the Eastern winner.

[coastalmarker99]

I know it’s a fun little narrative given certain years but neither WCF team in 09 or 10 was tougher than the Eastern winner.


Hell Lebron 2008 with a far worse roster played the Celtics closer than Kobe actually did lol.


Imagine the slander Lebron would get if he blew a 24 point lead at home and played like total shit in an elimination game as Kobe did in game 6.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upnbGiIg-8Q

[coastalmarker99]

The harsh fact is that Kobe was one of the biggest underperformers ever in big games.


Regular Season
25.0 PPG / 5.2 RPG / 4.7 APG / 0.5 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 44.7% FG

Game 7s
22.2 PPG / 8.0 RPG / 5.0 APG / 1.3 BPG / 1.0 SPG / 38.9% FG

Elimination Games
22.3 PPG / 5.8 RPG / 3.5 APG / 1.3 BPG / 1.3 SPG / 44.0% FG


NBA Finals

25.3 PPG / 5.7 RPG / 5.1 APG / 0.9 BPG / 1.8 SPG / 41.2% FG

[coastalmarker99]

The amazing aspect of Kobe's elimination games were they combined his god awful individual performance with his team getting their asses kicked on numerous occasions

2003: 20/2/6 on 9/19 50%TS with 7 turnovers in a 28 point loss at home

2004: 24/3/4 on 7/21 46%TS in a 13 point loss, trailed by 28 with 4:30 to go

2006: 24/4/1 on 8/16 66%TS in a 31 point loss, infamously quit in the 2nd half

2007: 34/4/1 on 13/33 47%TS with 6 turnovers in a 9 point loss

2008: 22/3/1 on 7/22 46%TS with 4 turnovers in a 39 point loss

2011: 17/3/1 on 7/18 43%TS with 5 turnovers in a 36 point loss

2012: 42/5/0 on 18/33 58%TS in a 16 point loss

Average: 26/3/2 on 23 shots 51%TS 4 turnovers with an average defeat of 25 ppg.


Yet to the general public he is viewed as a clutch God all because he pulled mean faces.

[3ba11]

When did Lebron DEFEAT maximum defensive attention in the Finals (carry scoring load)

He's never carried the scoring load in the Finals because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, whereas Kobe can score a lot and it's still a good, winnable brand of ball..

Kobe's scoring was partially-assisted, which elevates teammates and facilities ball movement.. Since his skillset yielded better brand of ball and chemistry, he needed less talent to win. He only needed a Bosh-like player at 2nd option, while Lebron needed him at 3rd

[warriorfan]

2009 WCF and finals stats combined:

33.3 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.1 SPG, .8 BPG - .45/.35/.90


2010 WCF and finals stats combined:

30.9 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 5.9 APG, 1.5 SPG, .9 BPG - .46/.37/.88

Resulting in 2 rings and 2 FMVP

https://c.tenor.com/dqjvA_OCPBUAAAAC/youre-welcome.gif

5 star thread

2009 and 2010 was a golden age for the NBA and an incredible peak for Kobe while he led a ragtag team of outcasts to back to back titles.

[ImKobe]

The amazing aspect of Kobe's elimination games were they combined his god awful individual performance with his team getting their asses kicked on numerous occasions

2003: 20/2/6 on 9/19 50%TS with 7 turnovers in a 28 point loss at home

2004: 24/3/4 on 7/21 46%TS in a 13 point loss, trailed by 28 with 4:30 to go

2006: 24/4/1 on 8/16 66%TS in a 31 point loss, infamously quit in the 2nd half

2007: 34/4/1 on 13/33 47%TS with 6 turnovers in a 9 point loss

2008: 22/3/1 on 7/22 46%TS with 4 turnovers in a 39 point loss

2011: 17/3/1 on 7/18 43%TS with 5 turnovers in a 36 point loss

2012: 42/5/0 on 18/33 58%TS in a 16 point loss

Average: 26/3/2 on 23 shots 51%TS 4 turnovers with an average defeat of 25 ppg.


Yet to the general public he is viewed as a clutch God all because he pulled mean faces.

What does getting blown out (in series where his team was mostly outmatched) have anything to do with being clutch? He won 5 out of 7 Finals and was 4 - 1 in the Playoffs against his biggest rival (Spurs) in the 2000s.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsNJ2VkXIAAkAXi.jpg

[ImKobe]

Coaches might have been able to game plan to stop a singular shot from Kobe at the end of a game, but they could never stop him consistently in the fourth quarter, where he often played his best basketball (TS% requires a minimum of 50 FGA in playoff fourth quarters).

https://i.gyazo.com/c6f35336ecfe09f76f054e28b28be12f.png


But fourth quarter stats can be misleading, right? Who knows if he was just putting up numbers in the fourth when the game was already decided? When using the NBA’s definition of clutch, the last five minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime, when the score is within five points, we find an interesting result. All stats are per 36 minutes, requiring at least 10 minutes played in clutch situations, and TS% requires a minimum of 15 FGA in clutch situations

https://i.gyazo.com/4e8e2cdfc2449553da3cd419fb0b44ab.png

[NBAGOAT]

and lebron put up 35/9/7 in the 09 playoffs. it's a lot more credible explanation that his teammates were reason he didnt make the Finals. 2010 had a bad Boston series but mainly because of the last few games. Guess who also had a few bad games vs Boston, Kobe