Tatum in his first finals is just 24 years old

[GrayGoat]

Meanwhile it took MJ to 28 for his first :biggums:

[Axe]

And his first trip in the playoffs? Conference finals in 2018. Meanwhile, the other was busy erasing his 1-9 stain mark.

[post]

tatum is very good but the fact he's the young gun desperate americans are pinning their hopes on is not a good sign

[aznboy2k2]

Not bad at all!

[post]

zion appears to be too busy eating cake and mcdonalds like the rest of the country

[post]

tatum has been the best player in the playoffs

no he has not

but the media doesn't know how to not push an agenda

[post]

the 4 best players in the playoffs were butler jokic giannis doncic

notice anything

1 32 year old dude who didn't even make all nba this year but should've

and 3 non americans people don't really want to root for

[Spurs m8]

MJ

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[TheGoatest]

The scary part is that had he played in a normal era where a 30-52 record wasn't sufficient for a playoff spot, jordon wouldn't have even reached his first playoffs until the age of 25. :facepalm

[tanibanana]

What is more impressive is the path he took to reached the Finals.
(1) Beat future HOF in Durant (top-5 all-time SF)
(2) Beat future HOF in Giannis (top-10 all-time PF)
(3) Beat future HOF in Butler
(4) Imagine if he also beat Curry (top-3 all-time PG)

2011 Dirk-esque... let us hope he completes the journey.

[Wally450]

tatum has been the best player in the playoffs

no he has not

but the media doesn't know how to not push an agenda

Did you just make a statement then disagree with yourself in the same post?

[post]

Did you just make a statement then disagree with yourself in the same post?

no there's what you'll hear and then the truth

[tontoz]

He's already played 68 playoff games.

[3ba11]

Meanwhile it took MJ to 28 for his first :biggums:


This is Tatum's 5th healthy season.

In Jordan's 5th healthy season (90'), he nearly beat the Pistons without Jaylen Brown, I mean Pippen.. And Pippen was actually a bum that couldn't score compared to Brown

[BigKobeFan]

East is weak.

[Hey Yo]

If MJ didn't quit in the 89 ECF.... he might have gotten there sooner

[FKAri]

East is weak.

Nah. West is weak and your team still couldn't make the play-ins.

[ImKobe]

Tatum was drafted to a team that made the Conference Finals and had the #1 seed a year earlier, and they've maintained those core pieces (Smart, Horford, Jaylen Brown) around him all this time, so it's no surprise.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tatum was drafted to a team that made the Conference Finals and had the #1 seed a year earlier, and they've maintained those core pieces (Smart, Horford, Jaylen Brown) around him all this time, so it's no surprise.
What did Brown average during that pre Tatum ECF compared to what Isaiah Thomas averaged? And are you aware of players like Jae Crowder and Avery Bradley or are you just really dishonest?

[ImKobe]

What did Brown average during that pre Tatum ECF compared to what Isaiah Thomas averaged? And are you aware of players like Jae Crowder and Avery Bradley or are you just really dishonest?

Did he or did he not get drafted to a great franchise with a really good roster and a great coaching staff? Brown & Smart (who were young in 2017, like Tatum) have developed into great players along with Tatum, so there's no surprise that he's having Playoff success early on in his career. It was the perfect situation for him. Are you now trying to tell me that the Celtics weren't loaded with talent when they drafted JT and made it back to the ECF the following year, despite the injuries to Ky and Hayward? They won 55 games even with Hayward having a season-ending injury to start the season with 7 guys averaging 10+ ppg.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Did he or did he not get drafted to a great franchise with a really good roster and a great coaching staff? Brown & Smart (who were young in 2017, like Tatum) have developed into great players along with Tatum, so there's no surprise that he's having Playoff success early on in his career. It was the perfect situation for him. Are you now trying to tell me that the Celtics weren't loaded with talent when they drafted JT and made it back to the ECF the following year, despite the injuries to Ky and Hayward? They won 55 games even with Hayward having a season-ending injury to start the season with 7 guys averaging 10+ ppg.

Full of crap as usual. Yeah they had some talent... in Tatum. Brown gets lit of credit as well but you talk about how he joined a team that made the Conference finals and ignore that the top scorers from that team were gone. Irving and Hayward their replacements were injured. Instead it fell to Brown and a 19 year old that you hate to see be given any credit.

[ZionDunks]

He’s the closest thing we will ever see again to Kobe.

[ImKobe]

Full of crap as usual. Yeah they had some talent... in Tatum. Brown gets lit of credit as well but you talk about how he joined a team that made the Conference finals and ignore that the top scorers from that team were gone. Irving and Hayward their replacements were injured. Instead it fell to Brown and a 19 year old that you hate to see be given any credit.

So Tatum single-handedly carried them, right? He wasn't 5th in FGA per game on his team in his rookie season with Rozier being just .4 behind him as the 6th guy? So now we're not giving any credit to Horford, Morris or Rozier, right? It was all Tatum?

Let's see how Tatum ranked for the Cs in the Playoffs in 2018

PER: 16.2 (3rd)
WS: 1.6 (3rd)
WS/48: .116 (4th)
BPM: 1.5 (3rd)
VORP: 0.6 (3rd)

Horford was easily their best player in the Playoffs, and Rozier comes in 2nd in most metrics as well. Tatum and Jaylen almost had identical numbers in the POs too.

Stop lying man. I like Tatum but ffs at least try to be objective.

[Wally450]

Stop lying man. I like Tatum but ffs at least try to be objective.

Lol, no you don't.

[GrayGoat]

Did he or did he not get drafted to a great franchise with a really good roster and a great coaching staff? Brown & Smart (who were young in 2017, like Tatum) have developed into great players along with Tatum, so there's no surprise that he's having Playoff success early on in his career. It was the perfect situation for him. Are you now trying to tell me that the Celtics weren't loaded with talent when they drafted JT and made it back to the ECF the following year, despite the injuries to Ky and Hayward? They won 55 games even with Hayward having a season-ending injury to start the season with 7 guys averaging 10+ ppg.

MJ’s team won 55 games WITHOUT HIM

[Meticode]

Not sure the point of the thread. LeBron was 22 when he made his first Finals. The Cavs got demolished, but still...

Kobe was 21 in his first Finals and won...

[GrayGoat]

Not sure the point of the thread. LeBron was 22 when he made his first Finals. The Cavs got demolished, but still...

Kobe was 21 in his first Finals and won...

Kobe was a sidekick

[Real Men Wear Green]

So Tatum single-handedly carried them, right? He wasn't 5th in FGA per game on his team in his rookie season with Rozier being just .4 behind him as the 6th guy? So now we're not giving any credit to Horford, Morris or Rozier, right? It was all Tatum?

Let's see how Tatum ranked for the Cs in the Playoffs in 2018

PER: 16.2 (3rd)
WS: 1.6 (3rd)
WS/48: .116 (4th)
BPM: 1.5 (3rd)
VORP: 0.6 (3rd)

Horford was easily their best player in the Playoffs, and Rozier comes in 2nd in most metrics as well. Tatum and Jaylen almost had identical numbers in the POs too.

Stop lying man. I like Tatum but ffs at least try to be objective.

Gee where did Tatum rank in points. I don't know because the selective stat guy doesn't say. Guess we'll never know. The top scorers are gone most of the starting line up was gone and you act like he just joined the same team that won the ECF. You are obviously full of crap. Only person being fooled by you is you into thinking you're fooling anyone else. Let's ignore how Tatum and Brown averaged 18 in the playoffs and pretend that his regular season rookie numbers reflect what he did in the playoffs. Keep it up.

[Shooter]

And his first trip in the playoffs? Conference finals in 2018. Meanwhile, the other was busy erasing his 1-9 stain mark.

SHUT it DOWNNNNN :lol

[Full Court]

Michael Jordan.

Still triggering dinguses and Bronies 20 years after he retired. :roll:

[Shooter]

Michael Jordan.

Still triggering dinguses and Bronies 20 years after he retired. :roll:

2nd place aint so bad is it? :lol

1. LBJ 7,631
2. MJ 5,987

[ImKobe]

Gee where did Tatum rank in points. I don't know because the selective stat guy doesn't say. Guess we'll never know. The top scorers are gone most of the starting line up was gone and you act like he just joined the same team that won the ECF. You are obviously full of crap. Only person being fooled by you is you into thinking you're fooling anyone else. Let's ignore how Tatum and Brown averaged 18 in the playoffs and pretend that his regular season rookie numbers reflect what he did in the playoffs. Keep it up.


Tatum was 4th in ppg in the first round against Milwaukee and 2nd in ppg in the ECF on his team. So he only led one Playoff series in scoring in that run, and he wasn't #1 in GmSc on his team in any of the series either, but I'm supposed to believe that he carried the team in that entire run? Jaylen Brown was tied with Rozier for most FGA on that team in the Playoffs, and that's with him getting injured and essentially missing two games, which skews the PPG number by just .5 in favor of Tatum, when in reality Brown was the leading scorer when healthy.

[Full Court]

2nd place aint so bad is it? :lol

1. LBJ 7,631
2. MJ 5,987

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Wilt




~7-10. Bronie

[Meticode]

Kobe was a sidekick

That's not ranked higher than Shaq all-time.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tatum was 4th in ppg in the first round against Milwaukee and 2nd in ppg in the ECF on his team. So he only led one Playoff series in scoring in that run, and he wasn't #1 in GmSc on his team in any of the series either, but I'm supposed to believe that he carried the team in that entire run? Jaylen Brown was tied with Rozier for most FGA on that team in the Playoffs, and that's with him getting injured and essentially missing two games, which skews the PPG number by just .5 in favor of Tatum, when in reality Brown was the leading scorer when healthy.

And selective stat guy still won't say where Tatum ranked in points. Maybe he couldn't get the Google to work? Ok I will help. Tatum was first at 18.5 ppg. Brown was a very close second at 18.0. It was very much a great team effort but it was known and accepted by all that the two of them lead the offense in the playoffs. Now you can believe whatever you want to based on your Coburn selective reading of statistics but it's quite obvious that Tatum was one of the leaders of the offense in that postseason.

[ImKobe]

And selective stat guy still won't say where Tatum ranked in points. Maybe he couldn't get the Google to work? Ok I will help. Tatum was first at 18.5 ppg. Brown was a very close second at 18.0. It was very much a great team effort but it was known and accepted by all that the two of them lead the offense in the playoffs. Now you can believe whatever you want to based on your Coburn selective reading of statistics but it's quite obvious that Tatum was one of the leaders of the offense in that postseason.

Okay? But you had a problem with me saying that team was really good and deep in talent, which was my initial point. You took offense to that for whatever reason, when even you can't give me a solid argument as to why JT would have been the best player on the team. The reality is that they had 3-4 guys who carried about an equal amount of the offensive load, and Horford was the veteran leader of that team. That's all there is to it. I don't get what the issue is here. It's not about discrediting Tatum, but it's about giving credit to the Celtics' organization and the talent they've been able to put around him all these years. This was his 3rd ECF and he's only been in the league for 5 seasons (4th in the last 6 years for Boston) and now he's in the Finals as a result of the FO's great decision making.

I would have loved for the Lakers to draft JT over Ball in retrospect, but tbh we never had a shot of doing that, as Lonzo was a lock to go to the Lakers as he was from Cali and Magic was in love with him, so the Celtics traded down from the #1 unprotected pick they got from the Nets, and the Sixers were dumb enough to take Fultz and make that deal. Celtics' FO deserves all the credit for that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Okay? But you had a problem with me saying that team was really good and deep in talent, which was my initial point.What kind of poster misquotes himself in the same thread he is posting in? Reminder, you wrote:
Tatum was drafted to a team that made the Conference Finals and had the #1 seed a year earlier, and they've maintained those core pieces (Smart, Horford, Jaylen Brown) around him all this time, so it's no surprise.Scroll up, it's right there. You are a liar and that's why I'm losing patience.

[red1]

we're all rooting for these kids to surprise us but we know they're outmatched. this group of celtics is battle-tested but they dont have shit for curry klay dray and poole's frontrunning squad




klay is going to drop 40 in this series at least one game

[ImKobe]

What kind of poster misquotes himself in the same thread he is posting in? Reminder, you wrote:Scroll up, it's right there. You are a liar and that's why I'm losing patience.

Boston fans really are this ****ing dense, huh? He was drafted to a deep team with great young core pieces that made the ECF the previous year, so there's no surprise that he's in the Finals at age 24. Jesus ****ing christ.

[1987_Lakers]

I just logged into ISH and see that ImKobe is making a fool of himself in MULTIPLE threads. lol.

In another thread he just said "52 TS% is alright".

In another one I saw him say JJ Hickson was better than Bynum. wtf.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Boston fans really are this ****ing dense, huh? He was drafted to a deep team with great young core pieces that made the ECF the previous year, so there's no surprise that he's in the Finals at age 24. Jesus ****ing christ.Is not the same as,
Tatum was drafted to a team that made the Conference Finals and had the #1 seed a year earlier, and they've maintained those core pieces (Smart, Horford, Jaylen Brown) around him all this time, so it's no surpriseI will waste a few more minutes, giving you the benefit of the doubt and pretending you are an idiot instead of a liar. Your initial quote would have Tatum joining a team that made the Conference Finals, So are you now saying that even though two thirds of the starting line-up was replaced, the two highest-paid players and expected All-Stars were injured, the top scorer on the Conference Finalist (Thomas) was traded to get one of those injured stars...all of this happens but you post, "He joined a team that made the Conference Finals!"

And you expect to be taken seriously? You are a liar. I think you're an idiot as well but not that dumb on account of I am assuming you know how to turn on the computer or cell phone from which you constantly post your BS. But I suppose you could have a handler helping you out at some kind of institution,

[ImKobe]

Is not the same as, I will waste a few more minutes, giving you the benefit of the doubt and pretending you are an idiot instead of a liar. Your initial quote would have Tatum joining a team that made the Conference Finals, So are you now saying that even though two thirds of the starting line-up was replaced, the two highest-paid players and expected All-Stars were injured, the top scorer on the Conference Finalist (Thomas) was traded to get one of those injured stars...all of this happens but you post, He joined a team that made the Conference Finals!"

And you expect to be taken seriously? You are a liar. I think you're an idiot as well but not that dumb on account of I am assuming you know how to turn on the computer or cell phone from which you constantly post your BS. But I suppose you could have a handler helping you out at some kind of institution,


The overall arching point here clearly is that he was drafted to a great franchise with a deep roster that had the assets to build a contender around him early in his career, they were expected to make the Finals his rookie year and obviously the injuries kept them out of it until now, but it's not a surprise that he's in the Finals at this age as he was lucky enough to end up on a great franchise like the Celtics that has a great coaching staff & FO. That's it.

[Spurs m8]

Not sure the point of the thread. LeBron was 22 when he made his first Finals. The Cavs got demolished, but still...

Kobe was 21 in his first Finals and won...

Yep.

And none of them faced mature dynasties - over and over - to get there

[kawhileonard2]

Tatum has also been down 3-2 with HCA and lost a series with HCA.