Luka & Lebron lack the teammate fits, development & chemistry to win organically

[3ba11]

so they're DUMB players that can't win with brand of ball and must be talent-based winners (all-star team strategy, team-hopping).

It's an absurd idea that massive ball-dominators who make everyone stand in the corner and have low team assists are somehow SMART players.

These guys don't know how to be assist targets which makes them a DUMB player that literally doesn't understand good brand of ball

People simply conflate the physical talent of being a tall ball-handler and passer with being "smart" - it isn't the same thing

[FultzNationRISE]

Well, Lebron is 110% perfect so we aint even finna address that one.

Luka obviously has a very high IQ ceiling, but he does play very stubborn at times, which leads to some low IQ decisions.

Hopefully this summer the Mavs work with Luka on finding ways to make an impact while moving the ball earlier in the shot clock. The fact Luka is very effective in a slow, grind-it-out half court offense is a big asset, but there are situations they need to change the tempo and he doesnt do that often enough.

[ShawkFactory]

Everyone who's ever played with Lebron has raved about how smart of a player he is. I'll take their word over yours.

Luka is young and still figuring things out.

[3ba11]

Well, Lebron is 110% perfect so we aint even finna address that one.

Luka obviously has a very high IQ ceiling, but he does play very stubborn at times, which leads to some low IQ decisions.

Hopefully this summer the Mavs work with Luka on finding ways to make an impact while moving the ball earlier in the shot clock. The fact Luka is very effective in a slow, grind-it-out half court offense is a big asset, but there are situations they need to change the tempo and he doesnt do that often enough.


Lebron is a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy) because his skillset doesn't yield good brand of ball (bad teammate fits, development, chemistry)

He literally needed super-teams and still yielded perennial underdogs that barely meet the underdog expectation (4/10 including 2 teammate bailouts).. He couldn't win a weak East with homecourt in 09 and 10', so he ran away and formed super-teams

[Nb1]

The fact that Lebron was able to win with 3 different teams and 3 total different teammates shows you actually how insanely great he is to make it work with total different systems withiut needing yrs of team chemistry and bonding like all the best players needed. It's easy to go to a jelled up team and stay there building chemistry with great players, it's insanely hard to just put guys together and make it work. Its insane how Lebron managed to do it on 3 different occasions.

[Wally450]

Some dude on a Jewish basketball forum calling professional athletes dumb lol. Go dunk on Zach Randolph again. :roll:

[GrayGoat]

If they played Tatum ball they would be in the finals

[Akeem34TheDream]

I laughed out loud reading OP. How can you get triggered by this guy?:lol

[SouBeachTalents]

I’d say the guy who claimed Steph Curry just stood around waiting to shoot 3’s is infinitely dumber than those two.

[Phoenix]

Am I the only one who thinks OP is a mod account? How many times the past week have we had some version of this thread?

[Shogon]

Am I the only one who thinks OP is a mod account? How many times the past week have we had some version of this thread?

Bro the admin has the place setup so that nothing happens to whatever the **** you want to post which is why there is such a high concentration of mental illness on this site.

I would be blown away if 3ball was secretly Jeff. 0% chance that's true.

There are only three things off limits: talk of Jewish conspiracies(will get deleted, not banned), overly/inappropriate sexual content (will get you banned and account deleted if you spread it enough) and gore (same as porn)

Other than that? This site is pretty much fair game I think.

You have to try to get banned here. This is why the crazies roam free here.

[Phoenix]

Bro the admin has the place setup so that nothing happens to whatever the **** you want to post which is why there is such a high concentration of mental illness on this site.

I would be blown away if 3ball was secretly Jeff. 0% chance that's true.

There are only three things off limits: talk of Jewish conspiracies(will get deleted, not banned), overly/inappropriate sexual content (will get you banned and account deleted if you spread it enough) and gore (same as porn)

Other than that? This site is pretty much fair game I think.

No lies detected on that one. Jesus H Christ...

[tpols]

The fact that Lebron was able to win with 3 different teams and 3 total different teammates shows you actually how insanely great he is to make it work with total different systems withiut needing yrs of team chemistry and bonding like all the best players needed. It's easy to go to a jelled up team and stay there building chemistry with great players, it's insanely hard to just put guys together and make it work. Its insane how Lebron managed to do it on 3 different occasions.

That's actually not how it works. Team hopping with four different 25+ ppg superstar talents and loaded rosters makes it easier to win. Not harder. And that's ignoring the fact that LeBron never played in "multiple systems". He literally hijacked every team hes ever played on and substituted his own QB style of play, even down to rejecting David Blatts Princeton offense ball movement system and getting the man fired.

[Hey Yo]

That's actually not how it works. Team hopping with four different 25+ ppg superstar talents and loaded rosters makes it easier to win. Not harder. And that's ignoring the fact that LeBron never played in "multiple systems". He literally hijacked every team hes ever played on and substituted his own QB style of play, even down to rejecting David Blatts Princeton offense ball movement system and getting the man fired.

How long did your boy Kobe keep HC Mike Brown and his Princeton offense around before getting him fired?

[Manny98]

Am I the only one who thinks OP is a mod account? How many times the past week have we had some version of this thread?
I counted at least 6 threads on the first 6 pages that 3ball has made bashing Luka and LeBrons ball dominant playstyle

[3ba11]

Everyone who's ever played with Lebron has raved about how smart of a player he is. I'll take their word over yours.

Luka is young and still figuring things out.


Phil Jackson said that Lebron's style of play is "Xbox 1-on-1"...

But in your eyes, Lebron is the greatest athlete to ever play AND the smartest, or among the smartest??

Yet he's the goat-loser on the championship level??

So something doesn't add up .. :no:

Either he isn't a goat athlete or he doesn't have goat smarts - I'll take the latter.

I hear people referring to Lebron as "smart" but they forget that Lebron was a perennial loser just like Luka until the "decision" - so he wasn't smarter than Luka and simply got super-teams.. Luka's "lebron" style will need to do the same..

Their big man ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping.. talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy)

The only point guards that are actually "smart" would be someone like Curry, who understands optimal team offense.. Another guy would be Isiah, who inspired a culture and physical brand of ball that offset the talent gap with the Lakers/Celtics... Or another guy would be Tony Parker, who played too fast at first but learned from Popovich how to be a champion that didn't stop the ball - he allowed a historic offensive system to work..

Otoh, other guys like Nash, CP3, or Westbrook played the traditional ball-dominator role and therefore weren't "smart" - they were just more talented at the ball-dominator role even though it isn't the optimal way to play... People forget that one guy might be suited to play PG and another guy Center - so being a good PG is a talent, not really "smarts".

"Smart" basketball is the way the Warriors play... The way the Spurs play... The way the 90's Bulls played... Notice how these teams have the highest team ceilings/Finals records, while ball-dominators have decidedly lower team ceilings/Finals records.

[King Baron]

The Mavericks vastly overachieved thanks to Luka this season, the Warriors are practically the NBA All-Star team in comparison.

[3ba11]

The Mavericks vastly overachieved thanks to Luka this season, the Warriors are practically the NBA All-Star team in comparison.


That's what everyone said in 07' when Lebron made Finals

But that ended up being his peak there - it was downhill after that until the "decision"

So I would look up the term "low ceiling", aka weak Finals record... That's the problem with ball-dominators

[Shooter]

That's what everyone said in 07' when Lebron made Finals

But that ended up being his peak there - it was downhill after that until the "decision"

So I would look up the term "low ceiling", aka weak Finals record... That's the problem with ball-dominators

2009 LeBron averaged 35/9/7/2/1 on 51% :lol Get fukt. Again :lol

[3ba11]

2009 LeBron averaged 35/9/7/2/1 on 51% :lol Get fukt. Again :lol



Lebron isn't good enough to beat a top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (like Mo's 18 on 37%).. Lebron can't beat good teams with bed-wetting teammates because his high scoring levels are too ball-dominant to beat good teams.. He can only beat Finals teams with near-equal-scoring partners because his own high scoring levels are too ball-dominant.. He lacks the elite jumpshooting skill required to promote good ball movement - he's just a predictable rim-attacker

[Lebron23]

Lebron isn't good enough to beat a top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (like Mo's 18 on 37%).. Lebron can't beat good teams with bed-wetting teammates because his high scoring levels are too ball-dominant to beat good teams.. He can only beat Finals teams with near-equal-scoring partners because his own high scoring levels are too ball-dominant.. He lacks the elite jumpshooting skill required to promote good ball movement - he's just a predictable rim-attacker

Jordan never won a playoffs series without Pippen. Pippen is better than Kyrie.

[3ba11]

Jordan never won a playoffs series without Pippen. Pippen is better than Kyrie.


Jordan beat top 5 SRS teams and Finals teams with Pippen getting 15 on 34% or 40%

He did this 5 times.. 5 carry-jobs against the league's best comp

Otoh, Lebron never beat top 5 SRS team or Finals team with bed-wetting teammates and actually needed teammates to score nearly as much as him to win the Finals... aka he couldn't defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

Again, Lebron can't beat good teams with bed-wetting teammates because his high scoring levels are too ball-dominant to beat good teams.. He can only beat Finals teams with near-equal-scoring partners because his own high scoring levels are too ball-dominant.. He lacks the elite jumpshooting skill required to promote good ball movement - he's just a predictable rim-attacker

[beasted]

Phil Jackson said that Lebron's style of play is "Xbox 1-on-1"...

But in your eyes, Lebron is the greatest athlete to ever play AND the smartest, or among the smartest??

Yet he's the goat-loser on the championship level??

So something doesn't add up .. :no:

Either he isn't a goat athlete or he doesn't have goat smarts - I'll take the latter.

I hear people referring to Lebron as "smart" but they forget that Lebron was a perennial loser just like Luka until the "decision" - so he wasn't smarter than Luka and simply got super-teams.. Luka's "lebron" style will need to do the same..

Their big man ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping.. talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy)

The only point guards that are actually "smart" would be someone like Curry, who understands optimal team offense.. Another guy would be Isiah, who inspired a culture and physical brand of ball that offset the talent gap with the Lakers/Celtics... Or another guy would be Tony Parker, who played too fast at first but learned from Popovich how to be a champion that didn't stop the ball - he allowed a historic offensive system to work..

Otoh, other guys like Nash, CP3, or Westbrook played the traditional ball-dominator role and therefore weren't "smart" - they were just more talented at the ball-dominator role even though it isn't the optimal way to play... People forget that one guy might be suited to play PG and another guy Center - so being a good PG is a talent, not really "smarts".

"Smart" basketball is the way the Warriors play... The way the Spurs play... The way the 90's Bulls played... Notice how these teams have the highest team ceilings/Finals records, while ball-dominators have decidedly lower team ceilings/Finals records.
Your hyperbole is why you're a terrible poster. You take anything that might be remotely true on one scale and inflate and exaggerate it to a point that it's unbelievable.

Even in just the tiniest example, Jerry West would have to be the GOAT loser since 2/9 is worse than 4/10. But your exaggeration makes you say LeBron is. Just like it makes you rag on Pippen so much, or inflate Mo Williams, or .....

The list goes on. Stop exaggerating. Start using more fact based approaches that don't omit a ton of context and maybe, just maybe people will agree with you more.

It's gotten to the point where even us Jordan fans don't even agree with the fundamental concept of what you're saying much of the time.

[3ba11]

Your hyperbole is why you're a terrible poster. You take anything that might be remotely true on one scale and inflate and exaggerate it to a point that it's unbelievable.

Even in just the tiniest example, Jerry West would have to be the GOAT loser since 2/9 is worse than 4/10. But your exaggeration makes you say LeBron is. Just like it makes you rag on Pippen so much, or inflate Mo Williams, or .....

The list goes on. Stop exaggerating. Start using more fact based approaches that don't omit a ton of context and maybe, just maybe people will agree with you more.

It's gotten to the point where even us Jordan fans don't even agree with the fundamental concept of what you're saying much of the time.


Lebron has the worst championship record in 3-pointer history

All my posts assume modern era (3-pointer history)

Lebron's teams have a lottery record on the championship level, so his big man ball-dominance yields low team ceiling (due to bad teammate fits and suboptimal brand of ball that requires super-team help)

[1987_Lakers]

Your hyperbole is why you're a terrible poster. You take anything that might be remotely true on one scale and inflate and exaggerate it to a point that it's unbelievable.

Even in just the tiniest example, Jerry West would have to be the GOAT loser since 2/9 is worse than 4/10. But your exaggeration makes you say LeBron is. Just like it makes you rag on Pippen so much, or inflate Mo Williams, or .....

The list goes on. Stop exaggerating. Start using more fact based approaches that don't omit a ton of context and maybe, just maybe people will agree with you more.

It's gotten to the point where even us Jordan fans don't even agree with the fundamental concept of what you're saying much of the time.

Facts

[3ba11]

I didn't use hyperbole

Lebron has the worst championship record in 3-pointer history

All my posts assume modern era (3-pointer history)

Lebron's teams have a lottery record on the championship level, so his big man ball-dominance yields low team ceiling (due to bad teammate fits and suboptimal brand of ball that requires super-team help)