Game 1 Dray, Klay, Poole, combined for 28 points on 33 shots

[warriorfan]

Chef Dingo 34 points on 24 shots.

The others are going to need to step it up. They choked hard last night.

[3ba11]

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* If Wiggins is just same-ol' Wiggins.....

* If Klay is a post-injury player that can't dominate against good opposition anymore....

* And if the newbie Poole is now in a role player capacity that we've seen recently....


Then the Warriors are f*cked..

I feel like I jumped the gun on them by assuming they had a 4-headed monster of scorers but maybe Curry is still the only reliable go-to player.. That spells trouble.. I fear the Celtics will sweep.. I thought the Warriors would get out to a 2-0 or 3-1 lead before Boston's defense started figuring things out

[ShawkFactory]

And when Steph inevitably has a cold-shooting night and Klay goes off you'll get this thread in reverse. And then Steph will shoot well again and we're back.

Lather, rinse, repeat :sleeping

[tontoz]

Klay wasn't that bad. Dray and Poole were awful, 3 fgs and 7 turnovers.

[warriorfan]

And when Steph inevitably has a cold-shooting night and Klay goes off you'll get this thread in reverse. And then Steph will shoot well again and we're back.

Lather, rinse, repeat :sleeping

Trae young sucks dick. Go fume somewhere else.

[warriorfan]

Klay wasn't that bad. Dray and Poole were awful, 4 fgs and 7 turnovers.

He wasn’t as bad as the others but still. 15 points on 14 shots isn’t going to cut it. He’s gonna need to step it up.

[3ba11]

Klay wasn't that bad. Dray and Poole were awful, 3 fgs and 7 turnovers.


How many guys won a Finals with a sidekick getting 15 ppg?.. 03' Duncan, 00' Shaq, 96' Jordan, 98' Jordan... Very few guys

[warriorfan]

.

* If Wiggins is just same-ol' Wiggins.....

* If Klay is a post-injury player that can't dominate against good opposition anymore....

* And if the newbie Poole is now in a role player capacity that we've seen recently....


Then the Warriors are f*cked..

I feel like I jumped the gun on them by assuming they had a 4-headed monster of scorers but maybe Curry is still the only reliable go-to player.. That spells trouble.. I fear the Celtics will sweep.. I thought the Warriors would get out to a 2-0 or 3-1 lead before Boston's defense started figuring things out

We will have to see how they respond in game 2. But that was an exposing moment for Curry’s supporting cast.

[ShawkFactory]

Trae young sucks dick. Go fume somewhere else.

:sleeping

[tontoz]

In the 4th quarter Horford scored 11 points. Steph's teammates scored 12. :facepalm

[tpols]

.

* If Wiggins is just same-ol' Wiggins.....

* If Klay is a post-injury player that can't dominate against good opposition anymore....

* And if the newbie Poole is now in a role player capacity that we've seen recently....


Then the Warriors are f*cked..

I feel like I jumped the gun on them by assuming they had a 4-headed monster of scorers but maybe Curry is still the only reliable go-to player.. That spells trouble.. I fear the Celtics will sweep.. I thought the Warriors would get out to a 2-0 or 3-1 lead before Boston's defense started figuring things out


The problem with Poole is he's too much of a lightweight against tough defenders and he's super soft on defense. Borderline unplayable in this matchup.

People, myself included, overrated him because of that blow up nugget series but the nuggets were trash on the perimeter. It shouldn't have been a surprise he blew up on them. The Warriors only hope is Draymond doesn't shoot 10% every game, klay wakes up, and all their defensive role players ~ porter, Iggy, Payton etc. wake up.

[3ba11]

It's amazing that Curry carried these unreliable, tertiary-tier scorers this far

It's really been an amazing display of leadership a winning know-how.

in the 2nd half of the regular season, most people didn't have the Warriors in the Finals

[Hey Yo]

How many pts for Steph in the 2nd qtr?


Empty stats choke job..... 4-55

[ShawkFactory]

Honestly though, I'm not really sure the Warriors were tested in the Western playoffs. The best team shit the bed, the second best team lost their best player. The other two teams they played were one men army.

If they win this series of course I'll give them props but the Celtics have had the tougher route.

[StrongLurk]

It's amazing that Curry carried these unreliable, tertiary-tier scorers this far

It's really been an amazing display of leadership a winning know-how.

in the 2nd half of the regular season, most people didn't have the Warriors in the Finals

Curry is definitely leading the team, but he isn't "carrying" them in these playoffs.

Wiggins, Poole, and Klay have all performed well (53.4 ppg on high efficiency between the three of them). Plenty of other leads stars have had less help than Curry this year.

Even if the WCF, Curry was just solid (24/7/7) on less efficiency than his usual self, plus average at best defense.

[AlternativeAcc.]

How many pts for Steph in the 2nd qtr?


Empty stats choke job..... 4-55

Perfectly said.

Curry underachieving with absurd talent isn't unexpected.

[3ba11]

Curry is definitely leading the team, but he isn't "carrying" them in these playoffs.

Wiggins, Poole, and Klay have all performed well (53.4 ppg on high efficiency between the three of them). Plenty of other leads stars have had less help than Curry this year.

Even if the WCF, Curry was just solid (24/7/7) on less efficiency than his usual self, plus average at best defense.


Curry has done what a true star MUST do - trust his teammates.. In order to avoid having an underacheving, paper tiger team, the cast must be capable of keeping the game close on their own via fundamentals and developed know-how - Curry's skillset allows this growth (organic winning) rather than a "heliocentric" skillset (high-school hot-doggin') that imposes spot-up roles on young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy.. team-hopping).

[AlternativeAcc.]

Curry has done what a true star MUST do - trust his teammates.. The cast must be capable of keeping the game close on their own via fundamentals and developed know-how - Curry's skillset allows this growth (organic winning) rather than a "heliocentric" skillset (high-school hot-doggin') that imposes spot-up roles on young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy.. team-hopping).

Poole averages 26/5/5 on 64% TS without curry

Klay and Dray are 1st ballot

Wiggins 2- way all star


If he loses with this cast its a huge failure and proves his style doesn't win championships and never has

[tontoz]

How many pts for Steph in the 2nd qtr?


Empty stats choke job..... 4-55


He didn't even come into the game until the 7 minute mark of the second quarter.

33-49

[3ba11]

Poole averages 26/5/5 on 64% TS without curry

Klay and Dray are 1st ballot

Wiggins 2- way all star


If he loses with this cast its a huge failure and proves his style doesn't win championships and never has


Klay is post-injury and infact garbage

No one in history was a great player after an Achilles except Niique' and KD

So Klay is done...... f'ing DONE

Poole was always a newbie and now has role player status as the series have gotten bigger

And Wiggins is Pippen at best - that's 19 on 42% in 6 Finals and not really a go-to player that required defensive attention.. he doesn't take attention away from Steph - teams can still load up on Steph.. Steph's presence elevated him and inflated him just like Pippen

[ImKobe]

How many pts for Steph in the 2nd qtr?


Empty stats choke job..... 4-55

Steph only played 6 minutes and took 2 shots in the 2nd while the rest of the starters went 3/9 despite the attention the Celtics were giving to Curry to deny him the shot.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Klay is post-injury and infact garbage

No one in history was a great player after an Achilles except Niique' and KD

So Klay is done...... f'ing DONE

Poole was always a newbie and now has role player status as the series have gotten bigger

And Wiggins is Pippen at best - that's 19 on 42% in 6 Finals and not really a go-to player that required defensive attention or takes attention away from Steph - teams can still load up on Steph.. Curry's presence elevated him and inflated him just like Pippen

Klay averages 20ppg on 57% TS on a team with several mouths to feed

You're reaching bud. Curry is a fraud, it's ok to admit it

[AlternativeAcc.]

He didn't even come into the game until the 7 minute mark of the second quarter.

33-49

So he had plenty of rest for the 4th and didn't do shit?

I guess once the game became tight, Currys powers go bye-bye

[tontoz]

So he had plenty of rest for the 4th and didn't do shit?

I guess once the game became tight, Currys powers go bye-bye

He wasn't even in the game to start the 4th and his team couldn't score a point without him.

33-49

[tpols]

Poole was always a newbie and now has role player status as the series have gotten bigger


Bingo.

Poole was literally plucked out of the development league.

And klay and Dray were awful last night. Dray went 2/12 and 0/3 from the line while horford lit him,up for a game high 26 points.

Nobody wins with that performance last night from their help.

The sad thing is dray shot 2/12 while not being guarded. That's unprecedented.

[3ba11]

Klay averages 20ppg on 57% TS on a team with several mouths to feed

You're reaching bud. Curry is a fraud, it's ok to admit it


Klay was never dominant, especially in the Finals where he's pedestrian - his weaker play is why Curry has infact struggled without KD - Curry was the only go-to player before KD arrived, so he faces MJ-like defensive attention (carries scoring load).

[AlternativeAcc.]

He wasn't even in the game to start the 4th and his team couldn't score a point without him.

33-49

But they had a lead when he came back and he was fresh?

I guess unless it's a 10+ point lead, curry goes into sleep mode

No dancing or shimmying.. just worthless

[tpols]

He wasn't even in the game to start the 4th and his team couldn't score a point without him.

33-49

Yup. The lead fell apart specifically with curry on the bench. In the game thread people were begging kerr to put him back in to stop the bleeding but he didn't do it til it was too late.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Klay was never dominant, especially in the Finals where he's pedestrian - his weaker play is why Curry has infact struggled without KD - Curry was the only go-to player before KD arrived, so he faces MJ-like defensive attention (carries scoring load).

He's putting up the same numbers as Celtics 2nd option Brown, despite Warriors having more mouths to feed

Curry ball underachieves with stacked talent because he's not a go to player. As seen in the 2015 and 2016 finals

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yup. The lead fell apart specifically with curry on the bench. In the game thread people were begging kerr to put him back in to stop the bleeding but he didn't do it til it was too late.

5 point lead at home is too late?

They lost by 15

Aren't great offensive players supposed to change momentum, especially at home?

[tontoz]

5 point lead at home is too late?

They lost by 15

Aren't great offensive players supposed to change momentum, especially at home?


Al Horford scored 11 in the 4th, only 1 less than all of Steph's teammates. Who was guarding him?

[3ba11]

He's putting up the same numbers as Celtics 2nd option Brown, despite Warriors having more mouths to feed

Curry ball underachieves with stacked talent because he's not a go to player. As seen in the 2015 and 2016 finals


Brown can break down a defense and he's a go-to player that commands doubles

It's night and day

Curry could use a go-to teammate like Brown that commands defensive attention, but remarkably, he actually doesn't have one

[AlternativeAcc.]

Brown can break down a defense and he's a go-to player that commands doubles

It's night and day

Curry could use a go-to teammate like Brown that commands defensive attention, but remarkably, he actually doesn't have one

So Curry needs 6 all star caliber teammates to win?

Sounds like his brand sucks and underachieves with huge talent advantage

That's pretty sad.

[tpols]

5 point lead at home is too late?

They lost by 15

Aren't great offensive players supposed to change momentum, especially at home?

The warriors were up 12 after 3 quarters. Then Kerr sat curry for half the 4th which is when the lead had been cut to less than 2 possessions.

Again.... Dray played like shit. 2/12 and missed all his FTs AND allowed Horford to score 26 points on a ridiculous 98 TS. Klay was also outplayed by Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart by every measure.

While Curry massively outplayed Tatum...

Here's the thing when it comes to steph curry. He had the best line on either team last night, was the leading scorer for the game, but his teammates let him down. Its ok to admit it. Poole, dray, and klay completely shit the bed while Horford, White, and Smart went off.

Curry can't overcome his entire cast being outplayed just like you can't stop whining about how much you hate curry. If he had a shit game yesterday you'd have a point. But in this instance he didn't. So you have no leg to stand on.

[AirBonner]

Tatum was better on defense and passing than curry. Maybe if curry did a better job getting his teammates looks like Tatum they would have won

[AlternativeAcc.]

Tatum was better on defense and passing than curry. Maybe if curry did a better job getting his teammates looks like Tatum they would have won

Bingo

Steph is one dimensional. All of his points came on wide open 3s before the Celtics settled in... I called it in the game thread. He had a poor 2nd half and they lost because of it... but people are citing his raw stats even though they had zero impact on the game

A lot of low IQ posters here who cant admit when they're wrong. Pretty sad. They'll give him credit when his all star teammates go off, but when they just play above average he doesn't have enough help. They're like little kids.

[tontoz]

Tatum was better on defense and passing than curry. Maybe if curry did a better job getting his teammates looks like Tatum they would have won


Hard to get a teammate more open than this.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/IMG_20220602_223539.jpg

[3ba11]

Bingo

Steph is one dimensional. All of his points came on wide open 3s before the Celtics settled in... I called it in the game thread. He had a poor 2nd half and they lost because of it... but people are citing his raw stats even though they had zero impact on the game

A lot of low IQ posters here who cant admit when they're wrong. Pretty sad. They'll give him credit when his all star teammates go off, but when they just play above average he doesn't have enough help. They're like little kids.


Warrior fans are realizing that Curry is the only reliable scorer and the rest are just system guys

Hopefully guys like Klay and Wiggins can prove these naysayers wrong who question their caliber

[ImKobe]

Tatum was better on defense and passing than curry. Maybe if curry did a better job getting his teammates looks like Tatum they would have won

Switch the role players. Does Boston even win 1 game?

[tpols]

Hard to get a teammate more open than this.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/IMG_20220602_223539.jpg

:roll:

Seriously. If Dray shot like Horford (who is respected offensively) and Horford shot like Dray the warriors would have won by 30 point blow out. Boston has much better spacing because their 4 can be a sniper while golden states 4 can't shoot even a lick when wide open.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Warrior fans are realizing that Curry is the only reliable scorer and the rest are just system guys

Hopefully guys like Klay and Wiggins can prove these naysayers wrong who question their caliber

Why doesn't the system work in the finals? It worked against Dallas? Klay went off for 32 and steph was the 4th leading scorer in the close out game

Does it not work on the big stage? He needs Durant to save him?

[AlternativeAcc.]

:roll:

Seriously. If Dray shot like Horford (who is respected offensively) and Horford shot like Dray the warriors would have won by 30 point blow out.

There's dozens of those pics for Ben Simmons

Except Dray is like a 5th option for golden state and Ben was the 2nd option for Philly

And don't you blame the 2016 loss on this guy missing 1 game? And doesn't he average the same ppg this year as he did in 2016?

Pretty sad to blame a 5th option whose arguably the best defender of his generation. Pretty weak and pathetic. But thats curry supporters at the core.


Also, Warriors have 4 players who shoot > 36% from 3 and Boston has none. Making that argument is next level weak and pathetic

[tpols]

There's dozens of those pics for Ben Simmins

Except Dray is like a 5th option for golden state and Ben was the 2nd option for Philly

And don't you blame the 2016 loss on this guy missing 1 game? And doesn't he average the same ppg this year as he did in 2016?

Pretty sad to blame a 5th option whose arguably the best defender of his generation. Pretty weak and pathetic. But thats curry supporters at the core.

Dray and Horford are both 4th option types for their teams. When you double curry and leave dray wide open he goes 2/12. When Horford receives even more defensive respect he leads his team with 26 on 98TS. 98TS vs 2/12 shooting. And you're acting like this didn't make all the difference? You re just showing everybody here you don't understand basketball.

[3ba11]

Why doesn't the system work in the finals? It worked against Dallas? Klay went off for 32 and steph was the 4th leading scorer in the close out game

Does it not work on the big stage? He needs Durant to save him?


Zippy ball movement wears a defense down, so they have less capacity for offense.

So Luka's ball-dominance does the opposite - defenses get to rest against his ball-dominance and therefore have more capacity for offense..

Against the Celtics' superior brand and level, Curry and Klay actually looked gassed in the 1st quarter tbh.. They gave their best shot and it was barely enough against the Celtics' warm-up game.. If the Warriors lose, everyone will have overrated the ability of Poole, Wiggins and post-achilles Klay to produce against the best competition.. No real "stars" in that group if they lose this

[tpols]

There's dozens of those pics for Ben Simmins


You didn't even spell his name right but that's exactly the point. Everybody knows Ben Simmons is a huge offensive liability. And is borderline unplayable in the playoffs sometimes because of it. You just admitted Dray is the same way.

:oldlol: :facepalm

IMAGINE giving Horford the space dray gets. Any team would be buried off that.

[tontoz]

Simmons is a great finisher inside. Dray is an awful finisher inside. That is why Simmons scores twice as much as Dray.

[NBAGOAT]

Dray and Horford are both 4th option types for their teams. When you double curry and leave dray wide open he goes 2/12. When Horford receives even more defensive respect he leads his team with 26 on 98TS. 98TS vs 2/12 shooting. And you're acting like this didn't make all the difference? You re just showing everybody here you don't understand basketball.

Well dray is the 5th option. Poole, klay, Wiggins are 2-4 in whatever order but Poole has become suddenly unplayable because of his defense. If you can’t play him 30min in a finals game, giving him 4yrs 100 doesn’t seem so good anymore

[AlternativeAcc.]

You didn't even spell his name right but that's exactly the point. Everybody knows Ben Simmons is a huge offensive liability. And is borderline unplayable in the playoffs sometimes because of it. You just admitted Dray is the same way.

:oldlol: :facepalm

IMAGINE giving Horford the space dray gets. Any team would be buried off that.

Umm the I is next to the o and I fixed that... of course you would desperately point out a typo as if I haven't typed his name on here correctly several times.... yikes. Sad reach in the midst of getting pummeled.


Imagine blaming a 5th option. The same 5th option whose absence in 1 game during the 2016 finals is why you don't credit LeBron for winning that series. Oops.

You're stuck... I'm always 2 steps ahead

[ShawkFactory]

Zippy ball movement wears a defense down, so they have less capacity for offense.

So Luka's ball-dominance does the opposite - defenses get to rest against his ball-dominance and therefore have more capacity for offense..

Against the Celtics' superior brand and level, Curry and Klay actually looked gassed in the 1st quarter tbh.. They gave their best shot and it was barely enough against the Celtics' warm-up game.. If the Warriors lose, everyone will have overrated the ability of Poole, Wiggins and post-achilles Klay to produce against the best competition.. No real "stars" in that group if they lose this

You're going to set this narrative up regardless of what happens aren't you?

[tpols]

Well dray is the 5th option. Poole, klay, Wiggins are 2-4 in whatever order but Poole has become suddenly unplayable because of his defense. If you can’t play him 30min in a finals game, giving him 4yrs 100 doesn’t seem so good anymore

I would agree with that. Poole is absolutely not a 100 million dollar player. He's literally a G league talent who has a similar skill set to Jordan clarkson. Flashy iso scorer and not much else. Warriors would be retarded to pay him like that.

And its not just because of his defense. Would you care to pull his offensive productions from last night?

[tontoz]

Umm the I is next to the o and I fixed that... of course you would desperately point out a typo as if I haven't typed his name on here correctly several times.... yikes. Sad reach in the midst of getting pummeled.


Imagine blaming a 5th option. The same 5th option whose absence in 1 game during the 2016 finals is why you don't credit LeBron for winning that series. Oops.

You're stuck... I'm always 2 steps ahead



5th options typically don't miss 10 shots in a game.

[NBAGOAT]

I would agree with that. Poole is absolutely not a 100 million dollar player. He's literally a G league talent who has a similar skill set to Jordan clarkson. Flashy iso scorer and not much else. Warriors would be retarded to pay him like that.

Well he’s better than clarkson lol, he’s efficient. Tyler herros going get the same and he also got benched so that’s just the market

[AlternativeAcc.]

5th options typically don't miss 10 shots in a game.
So are you arguing he's not the 5th option?

[tontoz]

So are you arguing he's not the 5th option?

No i am arguing he had an awful game. 2-12 with 3 turnovers while being left wide open is a joke.

[AlternativeAcc.]

No i am arguing he had an awful game. 2-12 with 3 turnovers while being left wide open is a joke.

But he impacts the game in many other ways, and curry doesn't

Scoring isn't Drays strength, but its Currys only strength, so when he dissappears when the game is tight like in the 2nd and 4th quarter, it ruins their team

[tpols]

Tyler herros going get the same and he also got benched.


So what does that say? Its a waste. Poole can take a dump on poor defenses or mediocre teams for sure. So what? You aren't winning any title if he's taking up 100+ million in cap. Herro is hugely overrated as well. All three guys are Jordan Clarkson archetypes.

[NBAGOAT]

So what does that say? Its a waste. Poole can take a dump on poor defenses or mediocre teams for sure. So what? You aren't winning any title if he's taking up 100+ million in cap. Herro is hugely overrated as well. All three guys are Jordan Clarkson archetypes.

Waste but the warriors are so over luxury tax they can’t sign anyone. better to sign him then trade him. Also there’s hope with these guys that they can become Mitchell/Beal

[tontoz]

But he impacts the game in many other ways, and curry doesn't

Scoring isn't Drays strength, but its Currys only strength, so when he dissappears when the game is tight like in the 2nd and 4th quarter, it ruins their team


Curry went to the bench in the 2nd and 4th quarters.

They had a 12 point lead after 3 quarters so obviously Steph didn't ruin the game in the few second quarter minutes he played.

Stick to checkers. Chess is clearly over your head.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Curry went to the bench in the 2nd and 4th quarters.

They had a 12 point lead after 3 quarters so obviously Steph didn't ruin the game in the few second quarter minutes he played.

Stick to checkers. Chess is clearly over your head.

He played more minutes in the 2nd and 4th then he sat. Stars typically sit early in 2nd and 4th.

Your arguments are always so silly and pathetic. Are you like 12? :oldlol:

[tontoz]

He played more minutes in the 2nd and 4th then he sat. Stars typically sit early in 2nd and 4th.

Your arguments are always so silly and pathetic. Are you like 12? :oldlol:


What exactly did Steph do in the 2nd quarter (other than sitting on the bench half the time) that ruined the team?

Why couldn't the team score a single point when he was on the bench in the 4th?. Why did the rest of the team score only 12 points total in the 4th while Horford had 11 by himself?

[warriorfan]

AlternativeAcc is one weird dude. :roll:

[AlternativeAcc.]

AlternativeAcc is one weird dude. :roll:

You have 100k posts and send emails to Jeff to get people banned/blow up the mods

If I'm weird you're the biggest freak show in history

[1987_Lakers]

You have 100k posts and send emails to Jeff to get people banned/blow up the mods

If I'm weird you're the biggest freak show in history

Doesn't get more weird/beta than that.

[warriorfan]

You have 100k posts and send emails to Jeff to get people banned/blow up the mods

If I'm weird you're the biggest freak show in history

You weird bro :lol

[StrongLurk]

Curry has done what a true star MUST do - trust his teammates.. In order to avoid having an underacheving, paper tiger team, the cast must be capable of keeping the game close on their own via fundamentals and developed know-how - Curry's skillset allows this growth (organic winning) rather than a "heliocentric" skillset (high-school hot-doggin') that imposes spot-up roles on young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy.. team-hopping).

Your post has nothing to do with mine.

Like I said, Curry is not "carrying" this Warriors team so far in these playoffs.

He might have to in the finals, let's see what happens.

[Axe]

You have 100k posts and send emails to Jeff to get people banned/blow up the mods

If I'm weird you're the biggest freak show in history
:milton

[Axe]

It's amazing that Curry carried these unreliable, tertiary-tier scorers this far

It's really been an amazing display of leadership a winning know-how.

in the 2nd half of the regular season, most people didn't have the Warriors in the Finals
For sure they are better than pippen tho. Right? So no way they could have lost this game.

[Taurus]

Poole was always gonna have a rough time against the Celtics. They have the perimeter defenders to keep stay on him and the interior defense to shut him down at the rim. Combine that with his tendency to over-dribble into traffic and you have a big problem.

[kawhileonard2]

Poole didn't know what to expect.