If Lebron hadn't cramped up does Miami end up winning the title in 2014.

[coastalmarker99]

Most people forget due to how lopsided those finals were from games 3 to 5.

That Miami were incredibly close to stealing both games 1 and 2 in San Antonio.

As they were winning late in the fourth quarter of game 1 before Lebron cramped up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MloH1MjUS60


It would have been deeply interesting to see how the rest of those finals had played out had Miami been up 2 0.


As the Spurs would have been facing an enormous amount of pressure.

[1987_Lakers]

Nah, Spurs were a well oiled machine that year. By the '13 postseason, LeBron's supporting cast was starting to get inconsistent, mostly due to Wade's knee issues. Go back an watch the '13 ECF and look how LeBron carried that team. Wade by that point would have a series where he looked like a legit 2nd option then in the next series would just disappear, which is what happened in the '14 Finals. LeBron was actually great offensively in those Finals, but he didn't have the firepower to match the Spurs.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Bro they lost by a record margin

[coastalmarker99]

Bro they lost by a record margin

But the series could have been completely different had Miami gone 2 0 up.

As the Spurs would have been facing an enormous amount of pressure and it's likely they don't go lights out from three on the road.

Under those circumstances

[Naero]

Slim to no chance. Hypotheticals like these too often ignore the ebb and flow of a series.

It’s not nearly as plausible as it sounds that the Heat sweeps the entire roadstand in that scenario. You have to account for how psychological momentum would affect the following games: if the Heat steal Game 1, the Spurs probably would’ve made the necessary adjustments and come out with a more unbeatable sense of urgency.

Remember that after the Game 2 loss, Pop lit a fire under Kawhi, and it wasn’t even a contest afterwards. We’d likely see the same upshot after a hypothetical Game 1 loss, more likely than not resulting in a backdoor sweep instead.

When you get historically blown out for three-consecutive games like that, it typically means your opponent is a tier above you and has figured you out. Single-game outcomes, like in Game 1, are unlikely to tip the scales in such cases.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Do you have a similar fantasies for 2018 finals too? Maybe if Jr scores that GSW would have panicked going down 0-1?:oldlol: What is a much more realistic scenario is Duncan staying in the game in 2013 finals and getting that rebound instead of Bosh.

[Wally450]

Spurs were a machine that series. They were out for blood after losing in 2013. Best ball movement I've seen in my years of watching basketball. Boris Diaw was ballin out those playoffs.

[coastalmarker99]

Do you have a similar fantasies for 2018 finals too? Maybe if Jr scores that GSW would have panicked going down 0-1?:oldlol: What is a much more realistic scenario is Duncan staying in the game in 2013 finals and getting that rebound instead of Bosh.

It is possible that had JR scored that Lebron could have dragged the 2018 finals to six games.

As game 3 was very competitive despite the fact that LeBron broke his hand.

As It was a one-point game with 2 minutes left if I can recall.

[Akeem34TheDream]

It is possible that had JR scored that Lebron could have dragged the 2018 finals to six games.

As game 3 was very competitive despite the fact that LeBron broke his hand.

As It was a one-point game with 2 minutes left if I can recall.

Yeah that is also the 2nd least competitive finals in 3point era.:roll:

[3ba11]

Nah, Spurs were a well oiled machine that year. By the '13 postseason, LeBron's supporting cast was starting to get inconsistent, mostly due to Wade's knee issues. Go back an watch the '13 ECF and look how LeBron carried that team. Wade by that point would have a series where he looked like a legit 2nd option then in the next series would just disappear, which is what happened in the '14 Finals. LeBron was actually great offensively in those Finals, but he didn't have the firepower to match the Spurs.


Bosh wasn't an 11 ppg player - a bad brand of ball reduced him to that

And Roy Hibbett was #1 option in that series, while his Pacers were a 49-win team and #9 SRS

Lebron needed 7 games to beat that garbage because he only averaged 29 instead of the 40-45 ppg that MJ averaged against much better teams

Finally, Wade averaged 20 in the Finals and Lebron 25, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load in Finals).. He lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention and his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, so he needs an equal-scoring partner like Wade, Kyrie or AD to close

[Axe]

How many threads does op have to make about lebron? Lol.

[Hey Yo]

Bosh wasn't an 11 ppg player - a bad brand of ball reduced him to that

And Roy Hibbett was #1 option in that series, while his Pacers were a 49-win team and #9 SRS

Lebron needed 7 games to beat that garbage because he only averaged 29 instead of the 40-45 ppg that MJ averaged against much better teams

Finally, Wade averaged 20 in the Finals and Lebron 25, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load in Finals).. He lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention and his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, so he needs an equal-scoring partner like Wade, Kyrie or AD to close

Wade had a 7.9 game score.


:oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

Bosh wasn't an 11 ppg player - a bad brand of ball reduced him to that

And Roy Hibbett was #1 option in that series, while his Pacers were a 49-win team and #9 SRS

Lebron needed 7 games to beat that garbage because he only averaged 29 instead of the 40-45 ppg that MJ averaged against much better teams

Finally, Wade averaged 20 in the Finals and Lebron 25, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load in Finals).. He lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention and his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, so he needs an equal-scoring partner like Wade, Kyrie or AD to close

He defeated maximum defensive attention in that series.

[Phoenix]

He defeated maximum defensive attention in that series.

3bitch will qualify that as 'in the finals'. Thing is, in game 6 2013 finals Lebron scored (IIRC) 32 to Wade's 14, and in game 7 37 to Wade's 23, both victories for Miami. :confusedshrug:

[ShawkFactory]

3bitch will qualify that as 'in the finals'. Thing is, in game 6 2013 finals Lebron scored (IIRC) 32 to Wade's 14, and in game 7 37 to Wade's 23, both victories for Miami. :confusedshrug:

Maybe. He'll also create a another 3rd layer of his made up criteria saying that you have to score a certain total amount or something to qualify. Or that is has to be against a certain SRS cutoff.

Or just say that Bron doesn't qualify for "defeating maximum defensive attention" in general because brand of ball.

It'll be one of those things.

[dankok8]

Seems weird to assume that if the Heat won Game 1 somehow they'd still win Game 2... Anyways Lebron didn't have a very good Finals in 2014 despite the good stats.

[beasted]

It's possible. The Spurs and that air conditioner issue was BS. Not sure how AC goes out in Game 1 of the NBA Finals. Whoever was their Facilities director should have been reprimanded.

Secondly, Tony Parker 100% traveled on his game winner.

[ArbitraryWater]

Seems weird to assume that if the Heat won Game 1 somehow they'd still win Game 2... Anyways Lebron didn't have a very good Finals in 2014 despite the good stats.

He had an amazing series, would have been even better if the 4th quarters weren't blowouts.

Heck he scored what 20 pts in the 1st quarter of game 5 and they were up.... 7. Lol

[Bronbron23]

Most people forget due to how lopsided those finals were from games 3 to 5.

That Miami were incredibly close to stealing both games 1 and 2 in San Antonio.

As they were winning late in the fourth quarter of game 1 before Lebron cramped up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MloH1MjUS60


It would have been deeply interesting to see how the rest of those finals had played out had Miami been up 2 0.


As the Spurs would have been facing an enormous amount of pressure.

No. Kawhi was giving Bron fits. Bron Stans as usual will point to brons stats but ignore how he had to get those stats and how it messed up Miami's offence. Bron was shooting below 35% when gaurded by kawhi that series. That forced Miami to set screens to try to get a switch to get Bron on a easier defender. This. Took precious time away from Miami's offence and it took them out of their normal offensive rythem.

[ArbitraryWater]

It's possible. The Spurs and that air conditioner issue was BS. Not sure how AC goes out in Game 1 of the NBA Finals. Whoever was their Facilities director should have been reprimanded.

Secondly, Tony Parker 100% traveled on his game winner.

what game winner? lol that was 2013

[ArbitraryWater]

No. Kawhi was giving Bron fits. Bron Stans as usual will point to brons stats but ignore how he had to get those stats and how it messed up Miami's offence. Bron was shooting below 35% when gaurded by kawhi that series. That forced Miami to set screens to try to get a switch to get Bron on a easier defender. This. Took precious time away from Miami's offence and it took them out of their normal offensive rythem.



:roll::roll::roll:

[Bronbron23]

:roll::roll::roll:

Bruh did u watch the series? He was absolutely bothering Bron. They did everything they could to get kawhi off him as a defender. It's a fact that kawhi have him problems. Didn't know facts were funny now:oldlol:

[beasted]

what game winner? lol that was 2013

You're right, my bad on the memory

[ArbitraryWater]

Bruh did u watch the series? He was absolutely bothering Bron. They did everything they could to get kawhi off him as a defender. It's a fact that kawhi have him problems. Didn't know facts were funny now:oldlol:

Bruh did u watch the series? He was absolutely not bothering Bron. They did everything they could to get his teammates going. It's a fact that kawhi gave him no problems. Didn't know facts were funny now:oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

Bruh did u watch the series? He was absolutely not bothering Bron. They did everything they could to get his teammates going. It's a fact that kawhi gave him no problems. Didn't know facts were funny now:oldlol:

Cool so u didn't watch the series then? Only someone who didn't watch the series would say kawhi wasn't bothering Bron. Either that or you're in denial

[Full Court]

Basically what OP is asking is if Bronie could play through a sore vag, would he still be 4/10.

The answer is no, probably not.

[Spurs m8]

Bro they lost by a record margin

This

Op is a fvcking moron and clearly didn't watch the series....

Low iq posting by bron stans, as usual

[Spurs m8]

It's possible. The Spurs and that air conditioner issue was BS. Not sure how AC goes out in Game 1 of the NBA Finals. Whoever was their Facilities director should have been reprimanded.

Secondly, Tony Parker 100% traveled on his game winner.

No ac worked against the old spurs more than the miami weather adjusted Heat.

Shame brons Ped use caught up

[ClipperRevival]

As a big Bron fan, I would like to say yes but in reality, there was no way he was getting by this monster in any scenario.

https://kottke.org/plus/misc/images/boris.jpg

[ClipperRevival]

If anyone wants more in-depth info on how Diaw (a french pastry chef on the side) put the clamps on LeGOAT, please reference below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479618-The-FORGOTTEN-RIVALRY-Boris-Diaw-vs-LeBron-James