"No one cared about MJ. But LJ we expected him to be great and he STILL overachieved"

[Shooter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EIGz4jpoM8

"LeBron is better than anyone ever thought he would be."


LeGoat :rockon:

[WhiteKyrie]

One is still loved to this day, 20 years after retirement. One if divisive and unlikable while still playing? And has to manufacture narrative spins to try and thrust himself into that heir of being beloved. But it’s ridiculously transparent and pathetic.

[Bronbron23]

What a load of shit. Everyone including himself expected him to win 3-5 rings with mia. He underachieved there. He was expected to win multiple chips with Lakers and so far he's underachieved there also. Even with cle he only has 1 ring. Based on the hype most people thought he'd have more rings with them also. So where exactly has he overachieved ?:confusedshrug:

[red1]

What a load of shit. Everyone including himself expected him to win 3-5 rings with mia. He underachieved there. He was expected to win multiple chips with Lakers and so far he's underachieved there also. Even with cle he only has 1 ring. Based on the hype most people thought he'd have more rings with them also. So where exactly has he overachieved ?:confusedshrug:

how can you win 5 rings in 4 years. that's actually not even possible. :oldlol:

[Shooter]

What a load of shit. Everyone including himself expected him to win 3-5 rings with mia. He underachieved there. He was expected to win multiple chips with Lakers and so far he's underachieved there also. Even with cle he only has 1 ring. Based on the hype most people thought he'd have more rings with them also. So where exactly has he overachieved ?:confusedshrug:

:lol So 4 FMVPs, second most all-time was not enough? More than Shaq, Duncan, Magic Wilt, Russell Bird, Kobe, Curry, KD, Malone, Dirk, Barkley, Hakeem, West.

That was NOT enough? You literally proved Doc Rivers' point.

[3ba11]

4 chips is a massive underachievement with all the super-teams that he had

3/7 with super-teams from 11-17', and only 1/4 good out West (2 lotteries and a 1st Round loss)

That's trash

He should've had a deep run in 2019 with Ingram, Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Caruso, McGee and Rondo.. Then he should've made it past the 1st Round in 21' and won the title in 22' as expected

[Spurs m8]

Ah yes, more lies and gaslighting to prop his irrelevant hero up.

The one that always needed a shit load of help and still got embarrassed on the big stage, more often than not.

No one buys your lies, he didn't catch MJ and never will and it kills you.

The league is gonna thrive without him too....

Enjoy, basement dwelling cockroach

[Spurs m8]

4 chips is a massive underachievement with all the super-teams that he had

3/7 with super-teams from 11-17', and only 1/4 good out West (2 lotteries and a 1st Round loss)

That's trash

He should've had a deep run in 2019 with Ingram, Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Caruso, McGee and Rondo.. Then he should've made it past the 1st Round in 21' and won the title in 22' as expected

He even said himself that he'd get what, 7 or 8 in miami alone?

Then old man Tim Duncan packed his bags back to Cleveland for him lol

How embarassing

[warriorfan]

He even said himself that he'd get what, 7 or 8 in miami alone?

Then old man Tim Duncan packed his bags back to Cleveland for him lol

How embarassing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_LUnTQHV4c

[3ba11]

Jordan defied the odds by taking over a big man's league and winning as a scoring champ and SG

No one faced more pressure to win a title than MJ and he faced constant expectation to win every year - losing wasn't allowed or given excuses for.

Here's a reporter summing up how Jordan always exceeded the loftiest of expectation more than anyone ever:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BobdJvDcOKU&t=25m34s

[MrFonzworth]

OP going outside is an overachievement

[Baller789]

OP going outside is an overachievement

:roll:

[TheGoatest]

It is truly incredible that LeBron managed not only to match these expectations, but exceed them:

https://andscape.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/si_cover_lebron-e1487176174981.jpg

The hype around him was crazy. As early as the 2001-02 season, people were talking about teams tanking their entire 2002-03 season to increase their odds of getting a what would be a straight-out-of-high-school 18 year-old. Nobody has ever had hype close to this. I don't even know who is the closest. Zion maybe, but he's still nowhere near as close.

[SATAN]

LeBron might be the best person and basketball player to ever live tbh.

[Baller789]

I didn't realize that losing 60% of your finals appearances was considered overachieving. :lol

[Johnny32]

One is still loved to this day, 20 years after retirement.

say you didn't watch mj's career without saying you didn't watch mj's career.

[Spurs m8]

The funniest part is, threads like this prove OP wasn't around in the Jordan days....

The dude was bigger than jesus, on an international level...levels that can't be comprehended because there's no one in this day and age that has that sort of following and sparked that much interest ahd worship...was insane

I'm embarrassed for OP lmao

Then again, bad threads are the least of his worries :roll:

You gonna spend ANOTHER summer inside, bruh?

[8Ball]

LeBron might be the best person and basketball player to ever live tbh.

Best player to ever play basketball.

Not even jordan stans argue this. They know jordan sucked at passing and facilitating.

[Johnny32]

LeBron might be the best person and basketball player to ever live tbh.

he's definitely going down as the best basketball player ever. he just is. we can talk about team success vs different competition in different eras all day. no one has his combination of athletic ability, skill, size, strength, basketball iq, court vision, and leadership. as far as the record books go...he's already had the best career ever. he competed for championships in three different decades. no one is honestly even close.

[2ball]

It’s funny LeBron crowned himself. But instead of being a king he became the jester

[Bronbron23]

how can you win 5 rings in 4 years. that's actually not even possible. :oldlol:

What? Is that a serious reply? Expectations come before brotha. Nobody knew he'd bounce after 4 years. Even Bron thought he'd be there for at least 7.

[Bronbron23]

:lol So 4 FMVPs, second most all-time was not enough? More than Shaq, Duncan, Magic Wilt, Russell Bird, Kobe, Curry, KD, Malone, Dirk, Barkley, Hakeem, West.

That was NOT enough? You literally proved Doc Rivers' point.

Nah bruh that's all amazing but it's all relative. From jump we knew Bron was gonna be a goat level player. That's what goat level players do. Shit relative to life in general even a bench warmer has overachieved in life.

[GimmeThat]

one of those realization where even if MJ is a gambling addict, if he continuously gambles on LJ, it still means he's addicted to winning. If being addicted to winning make you a gambling addict, what exactly is losing.

I want someone, not anyone, because right now you refuse to accept what my definition of someone is. - no one

[Bronbron23]

Best player to ever play basketball.

Not even jordan stans argue this. They know jordan sucked at passing and facilitating.

Nope Jordan fans and just knowledgable fans in general know MJ was a good facilitator and passer. They aren't tarded like Bron Stans. They know basic shit like MJ's main role as a "shooting" gaurds was to shoot the ball lol. that said mj still only averaged 2 assists less than Bron even though he plays as ball dominant point guard. On top of that brons played the Majority of his career in a era where it's easier to get assists because of the way the game is played. So If MJ is a shitty passer Bron isn't much better.

[Spurs m8]

Nope Jordan fans and just knowledgable fans in general know MJ was a good facilitator and passer. They aren't tarded like Bron Stans. They know basic shit like MJ's main role as a "shooting" gaurds was to shoot the ball lol. that said mj still only averaged 2 assists less than Bron even though he plays as ball dominant point guard. On top of that brons played the Majority of his career in a era where it's easier to get assists because of the way the game is played. So If MJ is a shitty passer Bron isn't much better.

Let's just remember who has the MOST TURNOVERS IN HISTORY and MOST TURNOVERS IN PLAYOFF HISTORY.

Hint - it's not MJ

[GimmeThat]

Nope Jordan fans and just knowledgable fans in general know MJ was a good facilitator and passer. They aren't tarded like Bron Stans. They know basic shit like MJ's main role as a "shooting" gaurds was to shoot the ball lol. that said mj still only averaged 2 assists less than Bron even though he plays as ball dominant point guard. On top of that brons played the Majority of his career in a era where it's easier to get assists because of the way the game is played. So If MJ is a shitty passer Bron isn't much better.

Jordan stans believe Jordan played with fireman and car mechanics as his teammates 3 peating twice tho

[Full Court]

Best player to ever play basketball.

Not even jordan stans argue this. They know jordan sucked at passing and facilitating.

Looooowwwwwwwwwww IQ nutthugging.

-86
4/10
22-33 finals record
Epic choke jobs (e.g. 2011)
Led a super team to the lottery.

Bronie just couldn't make it to #1. Truth hurts.

[Baller789]

Jordan stans believe Jordan played with fireman and car mechanics as his teammates 3 peating twice tho
Cap

[Full Court]

Jordan stans believe Jordan played with fireman and car mechanics as his teammates 3 peating twice tho

Were the Bulls a basketball team or were they the Village People?

[GimmeThat]

Were the Bulls a basketball team or were they the Village People?

village people, since they clearly weren't the most influential, and even the most influential, couldn't compete with the volume of the alternate accounts

[Full Court]

village people, since they clearly weren't the most influential, and even the most influential, couldn't compete with the volume of the alternate accounts

That kind of makes sense, but if the Bulls were the Village People, which player was the cop, and which one was the Indian?

[SATAN]

Nope Jordan fans and just knowledgable fans in general know MJ was a good facilitator and passer. They aren't tarded like Bron Stans. They know basic shit like MJ's main role as a "shooting" gaurds was to shoot the ball lol. that said mj still only averaged 2 assists less than Bron even though he plays as ball dominant point guard. On top of that brons played the Majority of his career in a era where it's easier to get assists because of the way the game is played. So If MJ is a shitty passer Bron isn't much better.

:facepalm

[Bronbron23]

:facepalm

Yeah I know. The truth hurts lil buddy

[SATAN]

Yeah I know. The truth hurts lil buddy

Anyone who knows anything about basketball knows LeBron is an excellent passer with excellent court vision.

[Baller789]

Anyone who knows anything about basketball knows LeBron is an excellent passer with excellent court vision.

Of course, no one said he wasnt. :facepalm

[Bronbron23]

Anyone who knows anything about basketball knows LeBron is an excellent passer with excellent court vision.

Yeah bruh I never said otherwise. The point was MJ is a good passer and brons and is even better one. Try to keep up

[Spurs m8]

Anyone who knows anything about basketball knows LeBron is an excellent passer with excellent court vision.

Most turnovers in history

Pounds the rock and plays hot potato.

Doing this occasionally creates a nice pass...

It also kills teams and loses games.

Cheers

[3ba11]

Yeah bruh I never said otherwise. The point was MJ is a good passer and brons and is even better one. Try to keep up


Just because a guy dominates the ball, it doesn't mean he's a better passer than Jordan

Guys like Luka, Lebron and Westbrook are dumb ball-dominators and goat turnover guys with horrific teammate fits and brand of ball.

A bad brand of ball can cause favored talent to underachieve, and that's what happens with ball-dominators - Lebron had preseason favorites (favored talent) that fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16').. So Lebron is the shining example of a bad brand causing favored talent to underachieve the expectation

So he isn't a better passer - he's just a dumb player - a dumb ball-dominator and perennial loser just like Luka until the "decision" to form super-teams.

Btw, MJ played the dumb ball-dominator role in 1989 when Coach Doug Collins moved him to PG for the last 24 games - Jordan average 30/9/11 and the press said he was already better than Magic/Stockton after just a few games at the new position

[SATAN]

It also kills teams and loses games.

Cheers

He got every team a championship and has historically won alot more games than lost games, even with shit teams. :confusedshrug:

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan has the highest rated finals and Lebron the lowest rated finals.

[Bronbron23]

Just because a guy dominates the ball, it doesn't mean he's a better passer than Jordan

Guys like Luka, Lebron and Westbrook are dumb ball-dominators and goat turnover guys with horrific teammate fits and brand of ball.

A bad brand of ball can cause favored talent to underachieve, and that's what happens with ball-dominators - Lebron had preseason favorites (favored talent) that fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16').. So Lebron is the shining example of a bad brand causing favored talent to underachieve the expectation

So he isn't a better passer - he's just a dumb player - a dumb ball-dominator and perennial loser just like Luka until the "decision" to form super-teams.

Btw, MJ played the dumb ball-dominator role in 1989 when Coach Doug Collins moved him to PG for the last 24 games - Jordan average 30/9/11 and the press said he was already better than Magic/Stockton after just a few games at the new position

Yeah I here u. Skill wise they're definitely close when it comes to passing ability but Bron is a more willing passer and therefore he's gonna go down as the better passer.

[Da_Realist]

Jordan has the highest rated finals and Lebron the lowest rated finals.

And for good reason. One is the most exciting player to watch on the biggest stage and the other is LeBron.