If Curry wins this ring...Is it fair to say Curry>LeBron

[Objectivity]

No ringchasing
Winning organically
GOAT shooter
GOAT ceiling raiser
No Ego

[AirBonner]

Do it 3 times maybe

[Axe]

With finals mvp or none?

[Shooter]

Great question OP, let's check a few metrics to shore up any confusion for those lacking basic critical thinking skills.

https://i.postimg.cc/CLKTMhjW/j4byroq2z5231.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/65LC7tWT/Top-1-vs-Top-22-Close-lol.png


https://i.postimg.cc/j5xHFvqz/Le7631._Unbreakable.png

https://i.postimg.cc/gcQgqmzV/bran_over_all.png

https://i.postimg.cc/mkT5BzGC/LeQUATRO_passes_all.png

Any other questions just post them up. I'm always happy to help a beginner.

[Spurs m8]

Great question OP, let's check a few metrics to shore up any confusion for those lacking basic critical thinking skills.

https://i.postimg.cc/CLKTMhjW/j4byroq2z5231.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/65LC7tWT/Top-1-vs-Top-22-Close-lol.png


https://i.postimg.cc/j5xHFvqz/Le7631._Unbreakable.png

https://i.postimg.cc/gcQgqmzV/bran_over_all.png

https://i.postimg.cc/mkT5BzGC/LeQUATRO_passes_all.png

Any other questions just post them up. I'm always happy to help a beginner.

We know....you have all day, every day on your hands

Sick life

While we're here, can you please post lebrons stats for hit or lose game winners.

You guys always go missing when we ask

[Shooter]

We know....you have all day, every day on your hands

Sick life

While we're here, can you please post lebrons stats for hit or lose game winners.

You guys always go missing when we ask

I did...

https://i.postimg.cc/CLKTMhjW/j4byroq2z5231.jpg

Most playoff game winners EVER. Next :lol

[Hey Yo]

The best option to choose would have been




Dumb

[Gohan]

I think so op i also have iverson>lebron

[Wally450]

Lmao, no.

[3ba11]

.
* goat-tier team ceilings/Finals record

* knows how to win, aka organic... requires a skillset that yields good teammate fits, development and brand of ball

* Capable of defeating maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)... requires elite jumpshooting skill and a good brand of ball at high scoring levels, aka no dumb ball-dominator

[1987_Lakers]

.
* goat-tier team ceilings/Finals record

* knows how to win, aka organic... requires a skillset that yields good teammate fits, development and brand of ball

* Capable of defeating maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)... requires elite jumpshooting skill and a good brand of ball at high scoring levels, aka no dumb ball-dominator

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history

[3ba11]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history


Posting really old information and pretending it's a current take reveals your apparent low character:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)


Holy shit... Does that show that 3ball had Curry top 5 in 11/2021???... That would make me goat

[1987_Lakers]

Posting really old information and pretending it's a current take reveals your apparent low character:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)


Holy shit... Does that show that 3ball had Curry top 5 in 11/2021???... That would make me goat

May of 2021 is really old? LOL.


He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.

:roll:

[3ba11]

May of 2021 is really old? LOL.



:roll:


It's 5 months before my top 10 rankings in 11/2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)), where I had Curry top 5, so yes... I didn't even have top 10 criteria before then

It's pretty cool to use the Jordan standard to rate players because it reveals who is good - who knows how to win (organic) - who can defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals) - and who can yield the highest team ceilings/Finals record

[1987_Lakers]

Imagine watching most of Curry's prime years, you then proceed to call him "one-dimensional 3 point shooter" then label him top 5 ever a few months later.

Nut job.

[red1]

It will put him above kd that's for sure

[red1]

Imagine watching most of Curry's prime years, you then proceed to call him "one-dimensional 3 point shooter" then label him top 5 ever a few months later.

Nut job.

He's mentally ill.


Hallucinated dunking on Zach Randolph- and believes it happened.

[1987_Lakers]

It's 5 months before my top 10 rankings in 11/2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)), where I had Curry top 5, so yes... I didn't even have top 10 criteria before then

"Most overrated player ever" to "Top 5 player ever" in a span of 12 regular season games when the season just started.

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Imagine watching most of Curry's prime years, you then proceed to call him "one-dimensional 3 point shooter" then label him top 5 ever a few months later.

Nut job.
He claimed Curry just stood around waiting to shoot 3's :oldlol: Literally no idea what he's talking about.

[3ba11]

Imagine watching most of Curry's prime years, you then proceed to call him "one-dimensional 3 point shooter" then label him top 5 ever a few months later.

Nut job.


I thought Curry was one-dimensional before I developed a top 10 all-time criteria and realized that he checks all the boxes.

The criteria is based on pure basketball ability and not media awards or longevity.. 1) knowing how to win, aka organic... 2) defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)... 3) yield maximum team ceilings/Finals records

Curry happened to check all those boxes once I developed the criteria, so he was the focus of my official top 10 and criteria posted in 11/2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))

It's called integrity (having an official criteria)

[SATAN]

No. Shit thread.

[1987_Lakers]

I was thinking of the prior era style (basketball ability.. 2-pointers)

Once I looked at it through the 3ball lense, it was obvious.. He's top 5 all-time

You're knocking my old posts before I developed a top 10 CRITERIA - only 3ball has one

The criteria is based on pure basketball ability and not media awards or longevity.. Curry happened to check all those boxes once I developed the criteria, so he was the focus of my official top 10 and criteria posted in 11/2021

It's called integrity (having an official criteria)

Were you thinking prior era style when you made this post?


Curry destroyed Oubre's game:


20' Oubre.... 18.7 on 45%... 35% threes.. 14.9 PER... 0.093 ws/48.... 0.7 vorp... -0.5 bpm
21' Oubre.... 11.7 on 35%... 22% threes.... 9.9 PER... 0.000 ws/48... -0.3 vorp... -4.4 bpm


Again, Curry's less flexible 3-pointer game is only good for another 3-point bot like Klay..

So similar to lebron, curry's lack of scoring diversity hurts certain player types

Otoh, Jordan/Kobe's goat scoring diversity fit with everyone - so everyone grew alongside them - 19 ppg players like Oubre, Pippen or Gasol turn into all-nba

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487615-Prediction-people-will-be-saying-Oubre-gt-Klay-at-times-this-next-season/page16

[3ba11]

Were you thinking prior era style when you made this post?



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487615-Prediction-people-will-be-saying-Oubre-gt-Klay-at-times-this-next-season/page16



All that stuff remains true - Curry will always fall far short of MJ/Kobe.. The Oubre thread title was a troll but Oubre certainly would've been a borderline all-star alongside MJ/Kobe, while Curry hurt him.. But one example of Curry diminishing someone is the exception that proves the rule (Curry elevates guys)

[Shooter]

Posting really old information and pretending it's a current take reveals your apparent low character:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)


Holy shit... Does that show that 3ball had Curry top 5 in 11/2021???... That would make me goat

Really old? You dumb cvnt it was 1 year ago

https://i.postimg.cc/8CwChNPG/3nutt.jpg

[kawhileonard2]

Curry is already better, he won his titles for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron had to change teams 4 times and stack the deck.

[3ba11]

Really old? You dumb cvnt it was 1 year ago

https://i.postimg.cc/8CwChNPG/3nutt.jpg


After taking a peek at the situation from a higher level, I realized that Curry fulfills the top 10 criteria of knowing how to win (organic) and being capable of defeating maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), while also having a skillset that yields the best teams/Finals records

What's your criteria or do you not understand the game well enough to have a viable one?

[Shooter]

After taking a peek at the situation from a higher level, I realized that Curry fulfills the top 10 criteria of knowing how to win (organic) and being capable of defeating maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), while also having a skillset that yields the best teams/Finals records

What's your criteria or do you not understand the game well enough to have a viable one?

Almost nothing you ever say makes sense. Almost nothing. Do you even realize how bad that is?

[8Ball]

3ball getting his shit pushed in this thread.

Jesus being a jordan stan is painful for the soul.

[HoopsNY]

Curry is nowhere near LeBron. I can't believe 50% of ppl voted for Curry.

[Axe]

3ball getting his shit pushed in this thread.

Jesus being a jordan stan is painful for the soul.
He's a closet kobe stan actually.

[hold this L]

Not close. He will for sure be in the top 10. Saying that, way too early to talk about this unless he does it.

[Lebron23]

Not close. He will for sure be in the top 10. Saying that, way too early to talk about this unless he does it.

I hope every Warriors fan is just like you. OP is another alt account by Warriorfan.

[Phoenix]

Posting really old information and pretending it's a current take reveals your apparent low character:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)


Holy shit... Does that show that 3ball had Curry top 5 in 11/2021???... That would make me goat

The fact that it was a take to begin with is why you're a moron, not because you reversed course after the fact.

[Sulico]

No. And I don't think it can happen in the next 10 years.

But, if Curry wins 2 more, future generations of fans might start asking questions - How did Curry won more titles, won 3 out of 4 finals they met and he ranked behind?

[LeGoat4Life]

Curry has already surpassed Lebron since 2018

Anything he does is just gravy and widening the gap

[Shooter]

No. And I don't think it can happen in the next 10 years.

But, if Curry wins 2 more, future generations of fans might start asking questions - How did Curry won more titles, won 3 out of 4 finals they met and he ranked behind?

No one that actually WATCHED any of the Finals from 2015-2018 will say that :lol

[Shooter]

Curry has already surpassed Lebron since 2018

Anything he does is just gravy and widening the gap

Considering LeBron is firmly ahead of Jordan you are saying Curry passed Jordan in 2018 as well? I can get behind that notion

Curry > LeBron > Jordan > Kareem > Shaq > Bird > Hakeem > West > Kobe

[ImKobe]

Curry is nowhere near LeBron. I can't believe 50% of ppl voted for Curry.

How is he not? Curry's impact on basketball outweighs Bran's, and he's about to tie him in ring count while only playing in 6 Finals, and he built his dynasty in an organic fashion and even wasted 2 years of his prime on rebuilding teams.

I know it's hard to see it now, but 20 years from now it will be seen as Steph era. Bran's the "other guy", the Shaq of his era as the "most dominant" player, but not the greatest one.

[Shooter]

How is he not? Curry's impact on basketball outweighs Bran's, and he's about to tie him in ring count while only playing in 6 Finals, and he built his dynasty in an organic fashion and even wasted 2 years of his prime on rebuilding teams.

I know it's hard to see it now, but 20 years from now it will be seen as Steph era. Bran's the "other guy", the Shaq of his era as the "most dominant" player, but not the greatest one.

Kobe's 12th at best. Never forget that :lol

[dazzer87]

Yes, No TEAMS jumping to win his 4…vs Lestats jumping around and forming superteams……4-10 Pathetic……..

[AlternativeAcc.]

How is he not? Curry's impact on basketball outweighs Bran's, and he's about to tie him in ring count while only playing in 6 Finals, and he built his dynasty in an organic fashion and even wasted 2 years of his prime on rebuilding teams.

I know it's hard to see it now, but 20 years from now it will be seen as Steph era. Bran's the "other guy", the Shaq of his era as the "most dominant" player, but not the greatest one.

Curry doesn't have a legit ring

Even now, his team has a big talent advantage and the series is still 2-2... plenty of time for him to choke it away

A guy with 0-1 FMVPS in 6 tries will never be viewed as the most dominant anything. He's never even been the most dominant on his own team :oldlol:

[Shooter]

Curry doesn't have a legit ring

Even now, his team has a big talent advantage and the series is still 2-2... plenty of time for him to choke it away

A guy with 0-1 FMVPS in 6 tries will never be viewed as the most dominant anything. He's never even been the most dominant on his own team :oldlol:

No lube :lol Daaaamn

[tpols]

Not close. He will for sure be in the top 10. Saying that, way too early to talk about this unless he does it.

How can you say not close when Curry holds a 15-7 H2H playoff record vs Lebron, and has won titles and led teams further with far less help?

Curry has quite literally spanked LeBron in their head to head matchups. If we lumped in regular season it would be even more lopsided.

LeBron joining Wade and AD would be like Curry joining Giannis and Jokic. With All NBA 3rd options on the side. The results would be comical.

[Shooter]

How can you say not close when Curry holds a 15-7 H2H playoff record vs Lebron, and has won titles and led teams further with far less help?

Curry has quite literally spanked LeBron in their head to head matchups. If we lumped in regular season it would be even more lopsided.

LeBron joining Wade and AD would be like Curry joining Giannis and Jokic. The results would be comical.

How did you already forget 2020 when LeBron chipped up again and 2021 where LeBron eliminated Curry from the playoffs...Are we forgetting the literal last two years of basketball? Nevermind the fact that LeBron made Curry look like a little kid in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018...

[AlternativeAcc.]

How can you say not close when Curry holds a 15-7 H2H playoff record vs Lebron, and has won titles and led teams further with far less help?

Curry has quite literally spanked LeBron in their head to head matchups. If we lumped in regular season it would be even more lopsided.

LeBron joining Wade and AD would be like Curry joining Giannis and Jokic. With All NBA 3rd options on the side. The results would be comical.

33/12/10 vs 25/6/6 + HUGE defensive edge for lebron

Curry had the massive talent edge every time... including 2016 where lebron made him his forever bitch

So yeah. LeBron absolutely shits on curry head to head and overall career wise. Literally not close.

[tpols]

How did you already forget 2020 when LeBron chipped up again and 2021 where LeBron eliminated Curry from the playoffs...Are we forgetting the literal last two years of basketball? Nevermind the fact that LeBron made Curry look like a little kid in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018...

2020 and 2021 LeBron had AD. If you swapped rosters and gave LeBron Dray and Curry Anthony Davis it would be an absolute massacre. You guys would be crying it was unfair like when he played with Durant and went 8-1 vs LeBron in the playoffs. :oldlol:

As far as 2015 to 2018 goes... Currys team won 3 out of 4 times. And it should have been 4/4. LeBron had a 25% success rate. Lmao. Shit is a joke.

[FKAri]

He will never catch Lebron the player but even catching Lebron in accolades will be tough but more doable. Neither happens after just this win though.

[SouBeachTalents]

2020 and 2021 LeBron had AD. If you swapped rosters and gave LeBron Dray and Curry Anthony Davis it would be an absolute massacre. You guys would be crying it was unfair like when he played with Durant and went 8-1 vs LeBron in the playoffs. :oldlol:

As far as 2015 to 2018 goes... Currys team won 3 out of 4 times. And it should have been 4/4. LeBron had a 25% success rate. Lmao. Shit is a joke.
You might just be that stupid, but I refuse to believe someone with 35,000 posts on a basketball forum doesn't take things like supporting cast into consideration.

[tpols]

You might just be that stupid, but I refuse to believe someone with 35,000 posts on a basketball forum doesn't take things like supporting cast into consideration.

LeBron has played with more superstar talent than curry has.

I would gladly LOVE to see Curry join up with 2010 Wade or 2019 Anthony Davis. They're arguably better than Durant or at least on the same level. You would be pooping your pants. :oldlol:

[outofstomach]

You might just be that stupid, but I refuse to believe someone with 35,000 posts on a basketball forum doesn't take things like supporting cast into consideration.
he’s not wrong at all, 25% for a dude that is supposed to be 100% better than Jordan and his contemporaries is in fact embarrassing and hilarious :lol

[red1]

OP formally bent the knee

Jordan has a career that will never be touched, he had a disney fairy tale career which is hilarious for a guy who was an aggressive sociopathic competitor.


there is zero proof that lebron isn't the GOAT NBA talent. he has an arguable case for GOAT now too with the GOAT scalp in NBA history for all-time - the only finals MVP over a 73-win team.


4 finals MVPS and every other accolade will give him a legit case for GOAT.

[red1]

thats never being touched again - 2016 FTW. :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron has played with more superstar talent than curry has.

I would gladly LOVE to see Curry join up with 2010 Wade or 2019 Anthony Davis. They're arguably better than Durant or at least on the same level. You would be pooping your pants. :oldlol:

Yes. Give Curry 15 ppg Wade from 2013 and let's compare him to Durant.

:lol

[red1]

Yes. Give Curry 15 ppg Wade from 2013 and let's compare him to Durant.

:lol

dude they dont even want to play that game. if we're going to play semantics then in 2016 kyrie nor love were allstars- that means lebron single-handedly came back from 3-1 against a 73-9 team with zero all-star support carying them to a finals win playing as the best player in the series winning finals MVP :oldlol:


buh buh kyrie was better than kareem - sorry 3ball kyrie wasn't even an all-star that year :oldlol:

[tpols]

Yes. Give Curry 15 ppg Wade from 2013 and let's compare him to Durant.

:lol

Lebron didn't join Wade in 2013. He joined him in the summer of 2010 when he was considered one of the best basketball players in the world.

And then LeBron lost with Wade in their first year together when he was still superstar balling.

Curry and 2010 Wade.... whew boy... they ain't losing. Curry would get so much more out of Wade than LeBron did. They literally had a negative +/- in the 2013 Finals together.

Think about that and get back to me Holmes.

[red1]

Lebron didn't join Wade in 2013. He joined him in the summer of 2010 when he was considered one of the best basketball players in the world.

And then LeBron lost with Wade in their first year together when he was still superstar balling.

Curry and 2010 Wade.... whew boy... they ain't losing. Curry would get so much more out of Wade than LeBron did. They literally had a negative +/- in the 2013 Finals together.

Think about that and get back to me Holmes.

that's so easy bro.


he won the next two finals MVPs when they figured out team chemistry.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yes. Give Curry 15 ppg Wade from 2013 and let's compare him to Durant.

:lol

35ppg on near 70% TS or 15ppg washed up Wade

Tough choice

Klay or 0 points Bosh. . Tough

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron didn't join Wade in 2013. He joined him in the summer of 2010 when he was considered one of the best basketball players in the world.

And then LeBron lost with Wade in their first year together when he was still superstar balling.

Curry and 2010 Wade.... whew boy... they ain't losing. Curry would get so much more out of Wade than LeBron did. They literally had a negative +/- in the 2013 Finals together.

Think about that and get back to me Holmes.

I like how you start arguing steph head to head vs lebron then shift to bringing up rosters that he never had facing steph

You're getting dragged all over the place

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron didn't join Wade in 2013. He joined him in the summer of 2010 when he was considered one of the best basketball players in the world.

And then LeBron lost with Wade in their first year together when he was still superstar balling.

Curry and 2010 Wade.... whew boy... they ain't losing. Curry would get so much more out of Wade than LeBron did. They literally had a negative +/- in the 2013 Finals together.

Think about that and get back to me Holmes.

He won back to back titles with a past prime Wade who wasn't anywhere near the level of GS Durant.

Most fans consider the KD-Curry Warriors to be the GOAT team, the fact that they had 2 other HOF players at their peak in Klay and Dray was the icing on the cake. To shit on LeBron for losing to that team just shows how retarded you are...

Then again I'm talking to someone who thinks Siakkam > Giannis.

I'm actually a fan of Curry, I live like 20 min away from his old house here in Walnut Creek, he's the most exciting player I've ever seen when he is feeling it. Will go down as a top 2 PG and maybe a top 10 all time player. But nobody is putting him on LeBron's level.

[tpols]

I like how you start arguing steph head to head vs lebron then shift to bringing up rosters that he never had facing steph

You're getting dragged all over the place

Curry has shit on LeBron regardless of roster. He holds a huge winning record against him.

[tpols]

He won back to back titles with a past prime Wade who wasn't anywhere near the level of GS Durant.

Most fans consider the KD-Curry Warriors to be the GOAT team, the fact that they had 2 other HOF players at their peak in Klay and Dray was the icing on the cake. To shit on LeBron for losing to that team just shows how retarded you are...

Then again I'm talking to someone who thinks Siakkam > Giannis.

I'm actually a fan of Curry, I live like 20 min away from his old house here in Walnut Creek, he's the most exciting player I've ever seen when he is feeling it. Will go down as a top 2 PG and maybe a top 10 all time player. But nobody is putting him on LeBron's level.

2012 Wade had top 5 superstar metrics across the board. So you're lying right off the bat saying he was washed up then.

But the larger point you're not considering is LeBron and Wade were a horrible fit. Where as an off ball sniper curry and slashing wade would be beyond lethal.

You won't acknowledge that fit impacts production and results. But you're low IQ so that's not surprising.

[red1]

2012 Wade had top 5 superstar metrics across the board. So you're lying right off the bat saying he was washed up then.

But the larger point you're not considering is LeBron and Wade were a horrible fit. Where as an off ball sniper curry and slashing wade would be beyond lethal.

You won't acknowledge that fit impacts production and results. But you're low IQ so that's not surprising.

wade is always going to be a legend he was the best shooting guard in the league when he played with lebron

he was a bit hobbled though, had to miss time in critical moments and thats when lebron stepped up and proved who was really carrying the team


I'm a wade fan first tbh but it's kind of an undeniable fact. wade discussions just aren't as interesting. he's the hand's down 3rd best guard after michael and kobe.

[And1AllDay]

Curry has shit on LeBron regardless of roster. He holds a huge winning record against him.

bran did that to kobe as well do we count that one? i dont

[red1]

curry is a lebron fan

[1987_Lakers]

2012 Wade had top 5 superstar metrics across the board. So you're lying right off the bat saying he was washed up then.

But the larger point you're not considering is LeBron and Wade were a horrible fit. Where as an off ball sniper curry and slashing wade would be beyond lethal.

You won't acknowledge that fit impacts production and results. But you're low IQ so that's not surprising.

Top 5 that year yet he made All-NBA 3rd team that year. Who tf is lying here? Blame it on chemistry if you want, but then again Wade efficiency dropped considerably right after LeBron left the team.

It wasn't a perfect pairing because Wade wasn't a great shooter. If you are not a good shooter in today's NBA it's very hard to fit with a team, opponents will exploit that.

Give LeBron say '03 T-Mac or something and it would be game over.

Prime Klay "fits" better with Curry than Wade would.

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron has played with more superstar talent than curry has.

I would gladly LOVE to see Curry join up with 2010 Wade or 2019 Anthony Davis. They're arguably better than Durant or at least on the same level. You would be pooping your pants. :oldlol:
Wade & AD have literally NOTHING to do with the 2015-18 Finals :oldlol: You can continue to pretend Curry didn't have a huge talent advantage in all 3 wins, including substantial ones in '15 & '18.

[SouBeachTalents]

he’s not wrong at all, 25% for a dude that is supposed to be 100% better than Jordan and his contemporaries is in fact embarrassing and hilarious :lol
Jordan was 25% against Isiah.

[outofstomach]

Jordan was 25% against Isiah.thanks for disputing what i said


25% :lol borderline thread worthy honestly

[Hoopexpert]

Curry has had more impact on the game than bron.

Like MJ, Wilt, Shaq etc. He changed the way its played.

[FireDavidKahn]

No.

Lebron has had more impressive runs.

What is impressive is that this is the first time where Curry has carried the team and been the clear cut best player

[Spurs m8]

How is he not? Curry's impact on basketball outweighs Bran's, and he's about to tie him in ring count while only playing in 6 Finals, and he built his dynasty in an organic fashion and even wasted 2 years of his prime on rebuilding teams.

I know it's hard to see it now, but 20 years from now it will be seen as Steph era. Bran's the "other guy", the Shaq of his era as the "most dominant" player, but not the greatest one.

Solid post

[Shooter]

Great question OP, let's check a few metrics to shore up any confusion for those lacking basic critical thinking skills.

https://i.postimg.cc/CLKTMhjW/j4byroq2z5231.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/65LC7tWT/Top-1-vs-Top-22-Close-lol.png


https://i.postimg.cc/j5xHFvqz/Le7631._Unbreakable.png

https://i.postimg.cc/gcQgqmzV/bran_over_all.png

https://i.postimg.cc/mkT5BzGC/LeQUATRO_passes_all.png

So was this the killshot? We done now?

[HoopsNY]

How is he not? Curry's impact on basketball outweighs Bran's, and he's about to tie him in ring count while only playing in 6 Finals, and he built his dynasty in an organic fashion and even wasted 2 years of his prime on rebuilding teams.

I know it's hard to see it now, but 20 years from now it will be seen as Steph era. Bran's the "other guy", the Shaq of his era as the "most dominant" player, but not the greatest one.

Curry's impact is meaningless if we're talking about who is ultimately the better player. LeBron provides GOAT scoring and passing together with elite peak defense. Curry can't defend my grandmother.

Building an organic dynasty is a plus, sure, but his rings are still meh. The first one came with the opposing team missing their #2 and #3, and then the next two came as a result of adding a top 3 player in the league.

In addition, he had a huge choke job against LeBron in the 2016 finals. Who was the FMVP? Who led all players on both teams in every major statistical category? You can't just ignore that. Not to mention, it came with Steph playing poorly in the most crucial moments. We forgetting his game 7? 6-19 (32%) with 4 TO's and just 2 assists?

Yea, Steph was injured that series, but his level of play was beyond embarrassing. He got outplayed by the better man, period.

This isn't debatable. Look, I get it. LeBron claiming he's the GOAT was dumb af and his stans are more pathetic than a 40 year old virgin; but reality is reality and Steph isn't on LeBron's level.

[HoopsNY]

LeBron has played with more superstar talent than curry has.

I would gladly LOVE to see Curry join up with 2010 Wade or 2019 Anthony Davis. They're arguably better than Durant or at least on the same level. You would be pooping your pants. :oldlol:

This is just unbelievably absurd. You're WAYYYYY better than this. You're really going to sit there and tell me that Curry has played with lesser talent? Kevin FREAKING Durant is lesser talent? DPOY Draymond? Klay Thompson (who is somewhat similar to Reggie Miller)? How about other guys like Iguodala (FMVP), Livingston, Poole, etc? C'mon man. This is just insane at this point.

Yea, you can make a case that LeBron's cast is comparable, but you're out here acting as if Steph played with clearly lesser talent, and that just isn't the case. Heck, they had Boogie Cousins as their 5th best player.

[SouBeachTalents]

This is just unbelievably absurd. You're WAYYYYY better than this. You're really going to sit there and tell me that Curry has played with lesser talent? Kevin FREAKING Durant is lesser talent? DPOY Draymond? Klay Thompson (who is somewhat similar to Reggie Miller)? How about other guys like Iguodala (FMVP), Livingston, Poole, etc? C'mon man. This is just insane at this point.

Yea, you can make a case that LeBron's cast is comparable, but you're out here acting as if Steph played with clearly lesser talent, and that just isn't the case. Heck, they had Boogie Cousins as their 5th best player.
He's honestly not :lol

[Stephonit]

This is just unbelievably absurd. You're WAYYYYY better than this. You're really going to sit there and tell me that Curry has played with lesser talent? Kevin FREAKING Durant is lesser talent? DPOY Draymond? Klay Thompson (who is somewhat similar to Reggie Miller)? How about other guys like Iguodala (FMVP), Livingston, Poole, etc? C'mon man. This is just insane at this point.

Yea, you can make a case that LeBron's cast is comparable, but you're out here acting as if Steph played with clearly lesser talent, and that just isn't the case. Heck, they had Boogie Cousins as their 5th best player.

When Steph has the effect of raising his teammates' TS% by up to 10% yes it is fair to say Curry is better. Wiggins has gone from league average player with the worst contract in the league to all-star game starter and second best player on team that's two wins away from a title. It's come as such a shock to detractors their heads are still spinning.

[tpols]

When Steph has the effect of raising his teammates' TS% by up to 10% yes it is fair to say Curry is better. Wiggins has gone from league average player with the worst contract in the league to all-star game starter and second best player on team that's two wins away from a title. It's come as such a shock to detractors their heads are still spinning.

Not only that but the way he said Kevin FREAKING Durant. :roll:

There were a lot of people back in 2010 saying Wade was better than Kobe. To act like Kevin FREAKING Durant was better than Wade is a joke. They were similar caliber players both superstars, many people would actually take Wade over Durant. And it wasn't like it was just joining 1 superstar... there was always an All NBA 3rd option and great collection of snipers and hustlers.

What it comes down to is when KD and Curry played together they looked unstoppable and went 8-1 together in the Finals. While Wade and LeBron had poor chemistry and a losing record in the Finals. And they never looked unbeatable. In fact they were 1 miracle shot away from 1-4.

When you combine personal production with teammate elevation its just clear as day any team with Curry on it will have a higher ceiling than a team with LeBron.

[Hey Yo]

Not only that but the way he said Kevin FREAKING Durant. :roll:

There were a lot of people back in 2010 saying Wade was better than Kobe. To act like Kevin FREAKING Durant was better than Wade is a joke. They were similar caliber players both superstars, many people would actually take Wade over Durant. And it wasn't like it was just joining 1 superstar... there was always an All NBA 3rd option and great collection of snipers and hustlers.

What it comes down to is when KD and Curry played together they looked unstoppable and went 8-1 together in the Finals. While Wade and LeBron had poor chemistry and a losing record in the Finals. And they never looked unbeatable. In fact they were 1 miracle shot away from 1-4.

When you combine personal production with teammate elevation its just clear as day any team with Curry on it will have a higher ceiling than a team with LeBron.

No matter how many times you call Ray's corner 3 a miracle..... it's not going to make it true but it does continue to make you look like a dumb fukk.

[1987_Lakers]

No matter how many times you call Ray's corner 3 a miracle..... it's not going to make it true but it does continue to make you look like a dumb fukk.

:roll:

[3ba11]

No matter how many times you call Ray's corner 3 a miracle..... it's not going to make it true but it does continue to make you look like a dumb fukk.


Ray's shot bailed out Lebron's career

Without that shot, we're all doing something else right now.. There would be no fake goat debate and Bron probably wouldn't be a billionaire..

He was bailed out twice by teammates with shots that would've lost the series had they missed, aka bailouts

[Hey Yo]

Ray's shot bailed out Lebron's career

Without that shot, we're all doing something else right now.. There would be no fake goat debate and Bron probably wouldn't be a billionaire..

Just like the Bulls trading for Pippen bailed out Jordan's career.

[tpols]

No matter how many times you call Ray's corner 3 a miracle..... it's not going to make it true but it does continue to make you look like a dumb fukk.

Even with that shot the Heat still had a losing record in the Finals from 2011 to 2014. They even lost when both LeBron and Wade were at their peaks. While Durant and Curry just totally mopped the floor with everybody. Chemistry and fit impact production and winning tremendously. You guys still don't get that.

[Hey Yo]

Even with that shot the Heat still had a losing record in the Finals from 2011 to 2014. They even lost when both LeBron and Wade were at their peaks. While Durant and Curry just totally mopped the floor with everybody. Chemistry and fit impact production and winning tremendously. You guys still don't get that.

I guess that means Curry had a losing record in the Finals after 2015 and 2016?

[tpols]

I guess that means Curry had a losing record in the Finals after 2015 and 2016?

No he didn't. The warriors went 7-6 in the 2015 and 2016 Finals combined. Thats a winning record. You guys keep ethering yourselves. :lol

[warriorfan]

Hey Yo got cucked by LeBron twice and still is quick to blow his dick

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Hey Yo]

No he didn't. The warriors went 7-6 in the 2015 and 2016 Finals combined. Thats a winning record. You guys keep ethering yourselves. :lol

Yeah... cause the first thing someone thinks about when saying a player has a losing record in the Finals is to add up the wins and losses of the individual games.

Continue to be a dumb fukk, chico.

[HoopsNY]

He won back to back titles with a past prime Wade who wasn't anywhere near the level of GS Durant.

Most fans consider the KD-Curry Warriors to be the GOAT team, the fact that they had 2 other HOF players at their peak in Klay and Dray was the icing on the cake. To shit on LeBron for losing to that team just shows how retarded you are...

Then again I'm talking to someone who thinks Siakkam > Giannis.

I'm actually a fan of Curry, I live like 20 min away from his old house here in Walnut Creek, he's the most exciting player I've ever seen when he is feeling it. Will go down as a top 2 PG and maybe a top 10 all time player. But nobody is putting him on LeBron's level.

Wade was probably at the end of his peak, but his peak nonetheless. He was All-NBA 3rd Team like you said, but how much of that was due to him missing 17 games in a shortened season (66 games)?

He had a decent spread, especially in the advanced metrics like tpols said:

Wade 2011-12

MVP Shares: 10th
All-NBA Shares: 10th
PER: 3rd
WS/48: 5th
BPM: 3rd
VORP: 4th

Wade's PPG would have put him at 7th in the league. I'd say these are pretty good rankings that made him one of the elite guys in the league, but he fell short due to the amount of games played.

Btw I'm not disagreeing with you overall. I think tpols is wrong here.

[HoopsNY]

When Steph has the effect of raising his teammates' TS% by up to 10% yes it is fair to say Curry is better. Wiggins has gone from league average player with the worst contract in the league to all-star game starter and second best player on team that's two wins away from a title. It's come as such a shock to detractors their heads are still spinning.

How accurate is that though over the course of the last two seasons?

Wiggins w/ Steph '21-'22: 122 gp | 56.2% TS%
Wiggins w/o Steph '21-22: 22 gp| 57% TS%

Klay w/ Steph '22: 23 gp| 52.9% TS%
Klay w/o Steph '22: 9 gp | 58.4% TS%

Poole w/ Steph '21-'22: 102 gp | 59.0% TS%
Poole w/o Steph '21-'22: 25 gp | 59.9% TS%

Draymond w/ Steph '21-'22: 94 gp | 55.6% TS%
Draymond w/o Steph '21-'22: 15 gp| 52.1% TS%

I haven't looked up LeBron's but I'd be shocked if it was the same results. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Wiggins and co. are shooting a TS% by up to 10% with Steph?

[HoopsNY]

Not only that but the way he said Kevin FREAKING Durant. :roll:

There were a lot of people back in 2010 saying Wade was better than Kobe. To act like Kevin FREAKING Durant was better than Wade is a joke. They were similar caliber players both superstars, many people would actually take Wade over Durant. And it wasn't like it was just joining 1 superstar... there was always an All NBA 3rd option and great collection of snipers and hustlers.

What it comes down to is when KD and Curry played together they looked unstoppable and went 8-1 together in the Finals. While Wade and LeBron had poor chemistry and a losing record in the Finals. And they never looked unbeatable. In fact they were 1 miracle shot away from 1-4.

When you combine personal production with teammate elevation its just clear as day any team with Curry on it will have a higher ceiling than a team with LeBron.

Bruh did you watch KD on GS in the 2017 and 2018 finals? He put up 32/9/6/1/2 on 68% TS%. He won 2 FMVPs. Steph won none. I understand that this era is watered down as per the offensive stats but that kind of finals production is insane even if we were to adjust for eras.

I'm not acting like Wade is better. But by comparison, 2011 and 2012 Wade isn't necessarily better than KD circa 2017-2018. In fact, those two years were KD's best defensive years, so I'd have to put him above Wade of 2011 and 2012.

And that's not even looking at the rest of the cast. Would you rather have Bosh/Battier/Allen for example or Klay/Draymond/Iguodala? I'm taking the latter hands down.

You're not looking at this from the right angle.

[SouBeachTalents]

Not only that but the way he said Kevin FREAKING Durant. :roll:

There were a lot of people back in 2010 saying Wade was better than Kobe. To act like Kevin FREAKING Durant was better than Wade is a joke. They were similar caliber players both superstars, many people would actually take Wade over Durant. And it wasn't like it was just joining 1 superstar... there was always an All NBA 3rd option and great collection of snipers and hustlers.

What it comes down to is when KD and Curry played together they looked unstoppable and went 8-1 together in the Finals. While Wade and LeBron had poor chemistry and a losing record in the Finals. And they never looked unbeatable. In fact they were 1 miracle shot away from 1-4.

When you combine personal production with teammate elevation its just clear as day any team with Curry on it will have a higher ceiling than a team with LeBron.
Seriously the most dishonest poster besides maybe 3ball :lol

Kevin FREAKING Durant was unquestionably better than 2012 or 2013 Wade, esp 2013 Wade. And you're always quick to bring up the All-NBA 3rd option (even though Bosh didn't make All-NBA his last 3 seasons with Toronto), but literally always neglect to bring up All-NBA Klay & All-NBA/DPOY Dray when discussing the Warriors. And I can make the same exact argument that even with this otherworldly amount of talent, the Warriors were a CP3 injury away from very realistically winning 1 title in 3 seasons together.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Not even close.

Bron has a more well rounded game.

[Stephonit]

Not even close.

Bron has a more well rounded game.

Doesn't have the off-ball game Curry does. But even going by what people like you think of as more well-rounded, Chris Paul has a more well-rounded game, he's still not better than Curry.

[ShawkFactory]

Curry's skillset creates such a huge dynamic for defenses in this era so it's tough. But when both are on the court at the same time it's been pretty clear that Bron is the better overall player, particularly with the way he could effective the game on the defensive end in his prime.

If Steph continues to play like he has this series for the next couple years then my mind could potentially be changed. But we need to see if he'll even continue this play right now.

[Full Court]

As much as I think Bronie is massively overrated, I have to say that he'll still be ahead of Curry. Winning four rings with 4 FMVPs handily beats out 4 rings with 1 FMVP (assuming Curry gets FMVP this finals).

[SouBeachTalents]

As much as I think Bronie is massively overrated, I have to say that he'll still be ahead of Curry. Winning four rings with 4 FMVPs handily beats out 4 rings with 1 FMVP (assuming Curry gets FMVP this finals).
But based on these standards, LeBron would be ahead of virtually every player besides Jordan :lol Considering he's typically seen as top 2 all time, why would you still consider him overrated?

[Full Court]

But based on these standards, LeBron would be ahead of virtually every player besides Jordan :lol Considering he's typically seen as top 2 all time, why would you still consider him overrated?

FMVP isn't the only criteria, but it's the foremost one.

Lebron has too many epic choke jobs for him to be #2. That knocks him down a few pegs in my book.

[King Kawhi]

Before its all said and done...I think we may see another "Lebron" but we will never see another Curry

[TheGoatest]

Great question OP, let's check a few metrics to shore up any confusion for those lacking basic critical thinking skills.

https://i.postimg.cc/CLKTMhjW/j4byroq2z5231.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/65LC7tWT/Top-1-vs-Top-22-Close-lol.png


https://i.postimg.cc/j5xHFvqz/Le7631._Unbreakable.png

https://i.postimg.cc/gcQgqmzV/bran_over_all.png

https://i.postimg.cc/mkT5BzGC/LeQUATRO_passes_all.png

Any other questions just post them up. I'm always happy to help a beginner.

Damn.. OP and his subsequent alt replies got bodied by this.

[TheGoatest]

Doesn't have the off-ball game Curry does. But even going by what people like you think of as more well-rounded, Chris Paul has a more well-rounded game, he's still not better than Curry.

I like how "off-ball game" is somehow the true measurement of greatness, whereas "well-rounded game" is some misleading, fringe criteria worthy of ridicule. :roll:

Reggie Miller had a better off-ball game than jordon.
Rip Hamilton had a better off-ball game than Kobe.

[1987_Lakers]

FMVP isn't the only criteria, but it's the foremost one.

Lebron has too many epic choke jobs for him to be #2. That knocks him down a few pegs in my book.

Coming from a guy who has Wilt #3, the dude who has more chokes out of any top 10 player.

[Shooter]

I like how "off-ball game" is somehow the true measurement of greatness, whereas "well-rounded game" is some misleading, fringe criteria worthy of ridicule. :roll:

Reggie Miller had a better off-ball game than jordon.
Rip Hamilton had a better off-ball game than Kobe.

:roll: Roasted his ass

LeBron plays on-ball 95% of the time and is better than 100% of players doing it

B-b-b-b-but what about the other 5% of the game when he is off-ball?

WTF :lol That's like winning the lottery and complaining about paying taxes.

[Axe]

Coming from a guy who has Wilt #3, the dude who has more chokes out of any top 10 player.
:lol

[Objectivity]

5* thread OP