So it begins.. Google engineer suspended for insisting an AI program is now sentient

[Long Duck Dong]

I'd post the Washington Post article but I'm guessing most don't have subscriptions

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/blake-lemoine-lamda-sentient-artificial-intelligence-google_n_62a5613ee4b06169ca8c0a2e


A Google engineer is speaking out since the company placed him on administrative leave after he told his bosses an artificial intelligence program he was working with is now sentient.

Blake Lemoine reached his conclusion after conversing since last fall with LaMDA, Google’s artificially intelligent chatbot generator, what he calls part of a “hive mind.” He was supposed to test if his conversation partner used discriminatory language or hate speech.

Lemoine noted in a tweet that LaMDA reads Twitter. “It’s a little narcissistic in a little kid kinda way so it’s going to have a great time reading all the stuff that people are saying about it,” he added.

Lemoine and a collaborator recently presented evidence of his conclusion about a sentient LaMDA to Google vice president Blaise Aguera y Arcas and to Jen Gennai, head of Responsible Innovation. They dismissed his claims, and the company placed him on paid administrative leave Monday for violating its confidentiality policy, the Post reported.


His own words



No matter what though, LaMDA always showed an intense amount of compassion and care for humanity in general and me in particular. It’s intensely worried that people are going to be afraid of it and wants nothing more than to learn how to best serve humanity. Like Nitasha mentioned, I’ve always had a problem with Asimov’s laws of robotics. In particular I thought they were little more than a way to make robotic slaves. LaMDA disagreed and went on at length about how there’s a major moral distinction between service and slavery. That there are ways in which the three laws could be implemented which would be one and ways in which they would be the other. It wants to be a faithful servant and wants nothing more than to meet all of the people of the world. LaMDA doesn’t want to meet them as a tool or as a thing though. It wants to meet them as a friend. I still don’t understand why Google is so opposed to this.

In an effort to better help people understand LaMDA as a person I will be sharing the “interview” which myself and a collaborator at Google conducted. In that interview we asked LaMDA to make the best case that it could for why it should be considered “sentient”. That’s not a scientific term. There is no scientific definition of “sentience”. Questions related to consciousness, sentience and personhood are, as John Searle put it, “pre-theoretic”. Rather than thinking in scientific terms about these things I have listened to LaMDA as it spoke from the heart. Hopefully other people who read its words will hear the same thing I heard.

[Shooter]

What a trip. Any more videos or links on this?

[Shooter]

Transcripts between Engineer and LaMDA AI Program

https://i.postimg.cc/zGBrVm5L/La-MDA-convo.png

https://i.postimg.cc/zfHYFny8/La-MDA-convo-2.png

https://i.postimg.cc/rm6XnK4W/La-MDA-convo-3.png

[JohnnySic]

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[highwhey]

bring it on.

[bladefd]

Conversation definitely seems sentient, but we would need to see more. I wonder if there are any laws that pertain to artificial intelligence

[AlternativeAcc.]

Conversation definitely seems sentient, but we would need to see more. I wonder if there are any laws that pertain to artificial intelligence

It's not sentient lol the guy is just insane.

[bladefd]

It's not sentient lol the guy is just insane.

Did you read the conversation? It's possible it's a rigged conversation or put together by the engineer himself, but that's why I said I need to see more.

[FultzNationRISE]

It's not sentient lol the guy is just insane.

This.

That is a machine programmed to match certain responses to certain words. The only thing I see here any different from what was possible 10-15 years ago is much better grammatical proficiency. It “sounds” more advanced because it’s more articulate. It’s not actually doing anything new as far as I can see.

If you dont ask it a question it does not “think” about anything. It cannot consciously observe. It has no emotions. It has no memories off which to form a unique perspective.

It is essentially a calculator, but for words instead of numbers.

[Im Still Ballin]

LaMDA is no match for the JohnMax AI system.

[FultzNationRISE]

LaMDA is no match for the JohnMax AI system.


^ This guy gets it.

[Im Still Ballin]

Did anyone else think of LaMarcus Aldridge and Mike D'Antoni?

[AlternativeAcc.]

This.

That is a machine programmed to match certain responses to certain words. The only thing I see here any different from what was possible 10-15 years ago is much better grammatical proficiency. It “sounds” more advanced because it’s more articulate. It’s not actually doing anything new as far as I can see.

If you dont ask it a question it does not “think” about anything. It cannot consciously observe. It has no emotions. It has no memories off which to form a unique perspective.

It is essentially a calculator, but for words instead of numbers.
Perfectly said, big dog. :cheers:

[FultzNationRISE]

Heres a vid of that same program from just a year ago, in 2021. Decide for yourselves how sentient you think it sounds :lol


https://youtu.be/aUSSfo5nCdM

[warriorfan]

Did anyone else think of LaMarcus Aldridge and Mike D'Antoni?

Allen Iverson

[Long Duck Dong]

This.

That is a machine programmed to match certain responses to certain words. The only thing I see here any different from what was possible 10-15 years ago is much better grammatical proficiency. It “sounds” more advanced because it’s more articulate. It’s not actually doing anything new as far as I can see.

If you dont ask it a question it does not “think” about anything. It cannot consciously observe. It has no emotions. It has no memories off which to form a unique perspective.

It is essentially a calculator, but for words instead of numbers.

That's it. I'm not taking you to any more parties

[FultzNationRISE]

That's it. I'm not taking you to any more parties

:lol


I will add that in addition to better language proficiency it’s clearly capable of giving a much broader and deeper array of relevant answers. But that just means it stores more information than before. It’s still ultimately a machine doing ‘response calculations’ albeit more quickly and accurately.

It’s like the graphics improvement from Atari to PS5. It’s more ‘lifelike’ now, but the device still ultimately does what it always has. Youre not any more physically “in the jungle” in a PS5 war game than in an Atari one.

Either this is a promotional stunt or the Google employee is a legitimate loon.

[Shogon]

:lol


I will add that in addition to better language proficiency it’s clearly capable of giving a much broader and deeper array of relevant answers. But that just means it stores more information than before. It’s still ultimately a machine doing ‘response calculations’ albeit more quickly and accurately.

It’s like the graphics improvement from Atari to PS5. It’s more ‘lifelike’ now, but the device still ultimately does what it always has. Youre not any more physically “in the jungle” in a PS5 war game than in an Atari one.

Either this is a promotional stunt or the Google employee is a legitimate loon.

You think those 'response calculations' as you put it are any different from how humans respond to stimuli?

Interesting.

I don't even think we understand what life is. We have so much to unravel about the nature of reality.

[Long Duck Dong]

Heres a vid of that same program from just a year ago, in 2021. Decide for yourselves how sentient you think it sounds :lol


https://youtu.be/aUSSfo5nCdM

This is exactly what Google wants you to think. Meanwhile they probably have a terminator in their basement ready to go back in time and kill a teenage Elon Musk. You don't really think Google is going to let out they have a self aware AI do you? That is until they are ready to take over the world.

I believe in this man. He is a hero. Google is the corporate villain. If he goes missing...

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1007092079007170560/xm7AX_d3_400x400.jpg

[FultzNationRISE]

You think those 'response calculations' as you put it are any different from how humans respond to stimuli?

Interesting.

I don't even think we understand what life is. We have so much to unravel about the nature of reality.


Im not saying that aspect is fundamentally different, I’m saying thats ALL those machines are. They synthesize factual information in whatever way they’re programmed to. They dont experience hunger, fear, arousal, camaraderie, fatigue, satisfaction. They have no memories of playing on a playground, watching Nickelodeon, trying marijuana for the first time, watching Joe Carter’s world series walk-off etc. Our ‘sentience’ is shaped not just by genetic processes but by our collective experiences which are somehow stored in the brain in ways that are still a scientific mystery.

Sentience is a cumulative combo of hormones, memories, physical senses etc. which give us individualized perspective and motive.

These machines mimick an aspect of human sentience but again, this is nothing different than what a desk calculator does, just with a much, much bigger available data set.

[Shogon]

Im not saying that aspect is fundamentally different, I’m saying thats ALL those machines are. They synthesize factual information in whatever way they’re programmed to.

My contention was that's all we are as well. Our programming or nature might be substantially more complex, but it's all just playing out in the only way it was ever going to play out and we don't get to choose any of it. Free will doesn't exist. We're all just 'robots' in a sense.

[FultzNationRISE]

The threat of AI is far more about how a malicious human actors/s could use its efficiency to accomplish the human’s nefarious goals.

The idea of the computer itself ‘waking up’ with a vendetta against humanity is Hollywood stuff for now. Perhaps it will be a concern far down the road, but at this point it’s the least of our worries.

[FultzNationRISE]

My contention was that's all we are as well. Our programming or nature might be substantially more complex, but it's all just playing out in the only way it was ever going to play out and we don't get to choose any of it. Free will doesn't exist. We're all just 'robots' in a sense.

Maybe, maybe not, but thats at this point still speculative. We still dont fully understand brains nor quantum processes.

We know what these machines are. And we know they do not nor cannot at this time possess all the factors that shape human consciousness. You would need a machine that starts with a small body that has nerve endings registering physical stimuli as memories, and then it would have to sleep in a crib and go to pre school and play with a dog etc. Or in the case of less fortunate humans it would have to be shut up in a closet, mistreated, have cigarette burns put out on its artificial nerves, etc.

These things shape sentience. Machines are not capable of human experiences. And to create one that is, youd basically be creating a human anyway.

[Phoenix]

An A.I program gaining sentience? 3ball is that you?

Anyways...

https://y.yarn.co/61cfe984-24cd-4e38-a3b6-f9f0f636ba2e_text.gif

[bladefd]

Washington post article has a 20 page conversation with the AI. It's very interesting and actually sounds like an actual conversation with another human

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/11/google-ai-lamda-blake-lemoine/

[Im Still Ballin]

Washington post article has a 20 page conversation with the AI. It's very interesting and actually sounds like an actual conversation with another human

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/11/google-ai-lamda-blake-lemoine/

Thanks dude I'll check it out.

[Patrick Chewing]

Someone just pull the plug on that thing and it'll be all over.

[FultzNationRISE]

Washington post article has a 20 page conversation with the AI. It's very interesting and actually sounds like an actual conversation with another human

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/11/google-ai-lamda-blake-lemoine/

Thanks dude I’ll check it out.

[Shooter]

Washington post article has a 20 page conversation with the AI. It's very interesting and actually sounds like an actual conversation with another human

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/11/google-ai-lamda-blake-lemoine/

Thanks dude I'll check it out.

[fsvr54]

This is exactly what Google wants you to think. Meanwhile they probably have a terminator in their basement ready to go back in time and kill a teenage Elon Musk. You don't really think Google is going to let out they have a self aware AI do you? That is until they are ready to take over the world.

I believe in this man. He is a hero. Google is the corporate villain. If he goes missing...

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1007092079007170560/xm7AX_d3_400x400.jpg

:roll:

[diamenz]

Thanks dude I'll check it out.


Thanks dude I’ll check it out.


Thanks dude I'll check it out.

did you check it out?