In 4th qts: Curry 7-20 / Klay 7-19 and Wiggins 9-15! Is Wiggins the actual FMVP?

[Nb1]

The way Wiggins has been playing D and being better in the most important moments of the game, is he the actual best player on the Warriors in these finals?

[rmt]

It's just 1 game that Wiggins is the best Warrior. Steph has been the best Warrior for 4 games.

[Axe]

Poole hit some clutch shots as well.

[Wally450]

Curry still has the FMVP by a wide margain, but Wiggins has been the second best player this series.

[tontoz]

Wiggins isn't the guy getting doubled. He is the beneficiary of Curry getting doubled.

[John8204]

Curry is still averaging 30PPG to Wiggins 18.4...Wiggins is going to need to score 60 more points in two games to overtake what Curry did in the first 4 games

[dazzer87]

4-6 > 4-10

[Nb1]

Curry is still averaging 30PPG to Wiggins 18.4...Wiggins is going to need to score 60 more points in two games to overtake what Curry did in the first 4 games

Well, you are blindly only looking at "scored points". Isn't Wiggins the primary defedner on Tatum? So, he's not only guarding Boston's best guy while putting up even better numbers than Curry in crucial moments.

Curry in 4th quarters is 2-6, 0-0, 1-4, 2-4 an 2-6 while he doesn't even play D. Curry had 1 great game, so did Wiggins last game and up until then people were saying Brown was the finals MVP... So, isn't Wiggins the actual FMVP since he has been great offensively and best defensively?

[hold this L]

Well, your blindly only looking scored points. Isn't Wiggins the primary defedner on Tatum? So, he's not only guarding Boston's best guy while putting up even better numbers than Curry in crucial moments.

Curry in 4th quarters is 2-6, 1-4, 2-4 an 2-6 while he doesn't even play D. Curry had 1 great game, so did Wiggins last game and up until then people were saying Brown was the finals MVP...
This loser is going to f*cking lose if Warriors win on Thursday.

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[Nb1]

Your name fits in perfectly with you and btw i predicted the Warriors to win you dumb retard.
How could they lose other than Curry poopong his pants as always? Not even 1 player they played in these playoffs ever won a ring and their bench is almost better than their opponents starters lol. Put anyone on that team and they win a ring.

[hold this L]

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Poor babyboi :(

[TheGoatest]

The bad news for Wiggins prospects of winning FMVP is that his most impressive numbers from the finals don't show up in his own stat line, but in Jayson Tatum's (Tatum's FG%).
That and the fact that the voters will feel that Steph Curry is "owed" a Finals MVP, which will halfway be a lifetime achievement award.

[tontoz]

Steph is averaging 12 more ppg than Wiggins with 9% higher TS. There is no comparison here.

[ImKobe]

Wiggins gets wide open looks because of Steph's gravity so he'd never be the FMVP or the best player on the team, same as when people made the Pau FMVP argument in 2010 when Kobe was the one getting doubled.

[ShawkFactory]

Wiggins gets wide open looks because of Steph's gravity so he'd never be the FMVP or the best player on the team, same as when people made the Pau FMVP argument in 2010 when Kobe was the one getting doubled.

While I actually disagree overall, Pau’s scoring output is not why he was in consideration for FMVP. He didn’t do anything on that front more than usual.

He was outstanding defensively and on the glass, and completely outplayed KG.

[ImKobe]

While I actually disagree overall, Pau’s scoring output is not why he was in consideration for FMVP. He didn’t do anything on that front more than usual.

He was outstanding defensively and on the glass, and completely outplayed KG.

Ok, so you think Kobe's teammates didn't get easier looks or more offensive rebounding opportunities as a result of the attention that the opposing defense was giving him? And KB was excellent on defense as well as he outrebounded everyone on the opposing team and he also outscored everyone by a wide margin as well. People point to his FG% but his TS% was only 2.8% lower than Gasol's while carrying a much bigger load while also facing more attention from the opposing defense throughout the series. They fell in the 2 - 3 hole because Gasol played poorly on the road.

This is why the Wiggins FMVP or Iguodala 2015 FMVP arguments both suck. Neither of those guys were viewed as a legitimate threat on offense in a way that Steph was, and offense is more important than ever in the modern NBA. Both are great defenders but it's not like their individual defense set the tone for the series. Curry's done it on both occasions. Cavs focused their defense on stopping Curry while Iggy shot wide open 3s. Celtics did everything to stop Curry in Game 5 while Wiggins bricked his wide open 3s but also had driving lanes and was really efficient inside the arc as a result of the defense being played around Steph. If you're talking about FMVP, you can't just give it to someone for playing great defense while ignoring the impact the superstar has on the opposing defense.

[ShawkFactory]

Ok, so you think Kobe's teammates didn't get easier looks or more offensive rebounding opportunities as a result of the attention that the opposing defense was giving him? And KB was excellent on defense as well as he outrebounded everyone on the opposing team and he also outscored everyone by a wide margin as well. People point to his FG% but his TS% was only 2.8% lower than Gasol's while carrying a much bigger load while also facing more attention from the opposing defense throughout the series. They fell in the 2 - 3 hole because Gasol played poorly on the road.

This is why the Wiggins FMVP or Iguodala 2015 FMVP arguments both suck. Neither of those guys were viewed as a legitimate threat on offense in a way that Steph was, and offense is more important than ever in the modern NBA. Both are great defenders but it's not like their individual defense set the tone for the series. Curry's done it on both occasions. Cavs focused their defense on stopping Curry while Iggy shot wide open 3s. Celtics did everything to stop Curry in Game 5 while Wiggins bricked his wide open 3s but also had driving lanes and was really efficient inside the arc as a result of the defense being played around Steph. If you're talking about FMVP, you can't just give it to someone for playing great defense while ignoring the impact the superstar has on the opposing defense.

Did I...say that?

[ImKobe]

Did I...say that?

Pau's defense on a washed up KG was more impactful than KB's gravity on offense, combined with his own elite D? lol.

KG was WASHED at that point. He put up 10/8 in the ECF and his Finals averages were pretty much on par with his RS/Playoff numbers.

[Axe]

Wiggins gets wide open looks because of Steph's gravity so he'd never be the FMVP or the best player on the team, same as when people made the Pau FMVP argument in 2010 when Kobe was the one getting doubled.
Lmao he's holding tatum below his usual averages as well. Why tf are you looking at only one end of it?

[ImKobe]

Lmao he's holding tatum below his usual averages as well. Why tf are you looking at only one end of it?

It's not just Tatum vs Wiggins on an island. Tatum is killing it from 3 but the help defense in the paint (giving credit to Dray, Klay & Looney and factoring in Tatum's apparent shoulder injury) is why he's struggling inside the arc. Wiggins has done a solid job on Tatum as well but it's a team effort that's kept him from getting easy looks in the paint.

[TheGoatest]

Ah yes, Steph's famous "gravity" that manifests itself in a phenomenal 4.6 assists (by a point guard) per game over these finals.

[Kblaze8855]

https://youtu.be/TVjgcQry3Xs


People watch these baskets and genuinely conclude he’s making multiple contested fadeaways, floaters over Timelord, and finishing over and around help because Steph just exists?

Can anyone who isn’t his teams best player just get credit for being able to play basketball?

Does a fundamental drop off for a fast break layup or close out resulting in swinging the ball to the open man really discredit the guy getting the ball that much even when mixed into so many straight iso pull-ups, hard drives, and shots created off the bounce?

Are people required to call a clear out before every basket or not have their play acknowledged in a world we claim to want people to play team ball?

He’s playing basketball. Well rounded offensive basketball. People have to pretend everyone on the warriors is being spoonfed all their baskets to make Steph look better?

Guy is one of the most highly regarded players in history and has less haters than anyone on his level has had since Duncan in his prime. He doesn’t need the extra layer of bullshit. His teammates can be credited with their ability to score while also acknowledging he’s a goat tier offensive player. It doesn’t have to be one or the other when you’re sitting there watching dudes score one on one and in traffic.

It takes absolutely nothing from Steph to acknowledge other people creating their own looks. When your gravity is you being guarded one on one standing still 25 feet away while someone attacks his man one on one with help d behind him and hits a tough fadeaway maybe we can just credit the guy hitting the shot….a little?

You don’t have to take it as an insult to Steph. I’m sure he doesn’t. He doesn’t strike me as the type to be upset his teammate hit a tough shot or act like it reflects poorly on him. Because it doesn’t. We can admit Wiggins plays well and makes tough shots that have little or nothing to do with anyone else when it happens.

It doesn’t always have to be all about the star.

[tontoz]

Wiggins is averaging 18.4 ppg with a TS of 51.8% in the finals. That is ok but nothing special for a guy who doesn't have to worry about getting doubled.

His defense and rebounding have been top notch. He absolutely deserves a lot of credit for that. He also played very good D against Luka last series.

For sure he has been their 2nd best player in the Finals. Claiming he should be the FMVP is just trolling.

[hold this L]

Ah yes, Steph's famous "gravity" that manifests itself in a phenomenal 4.6 assists (by a point guard) per game over these finals.
Also 116 ORTG with him on the court and 87 ORTG off the court in these finals. But as a LeStan, you're more impressed when someone hogs the ball for 20 seconds and then drives and kicks to the 4 3 point shooters to rack up assists. :applause:

[Kblaze8855]

Wiggins is averaging 18.4 ppg with a TS of 51.8% in the finals. That is ok but nothing special for a guy who doesn't have to worry about getting doubled.

His defense and rebounding have been top notch. He absolutely deserves a lot of credit for that. He also played very good D against Luka last series.

For sure he has been their 2nd best player in the Finals. Claiming he should be the FMVP is just trolling.


Of course it’s trolling. Obviously unless Steph scores 9 while Wiggins has 58 tonight in a close win he makes happen Steph is gonna be finals mvp as he should. But trolling or not it’s no more dishonest than pretending the Warriors other scorers aren’t guarded and play wide open all the time. And people make both claims.

[tontoz]

Of course it’s trolling. Obviously unless Steph scores 9 while Wiggins has 58 tonight in a close win he makes happen Steph is gonna be finals mvp as he should. But trolling or not it’s no more dishonest than pretending the Warriors other scorers aren’t guarded and play wide open all the time. And people make both claims.


Of course they aren't wide open all the time. But if they beat their guy they won't have to deal with a help defender as often when Steph is on the floor.



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[ImKobe]

Of course it’s trolling. Obviously unless Steph scores 9 while Wiggins has 58 tonight in a close win he makes happen Steph is gonna be finals mvp as he should. But trolling or not it’s no more dishonest than pretending the Warriors other scorers aren’t guarded and play wide open all the time. And people make both claims.

Yet you can see in the video you provided how Wiggins gets a step on his defender or is able to get to the rim before the help can really do anything as a result of the Warriors playing 4 on 3 or 3 on 2 because of Steph and Klay. Wiggins is a good scorer in his own right but his efficiency numbers are night & day compared to what they were in Minnesota. He went from a borderline 33%3PT shooter to damn near 40% in GS and so far he's been assisted on 100% of his 3s and 61% of his 2s in these POs. Steph's gravity is undeniable. He directly assisted Wiggins on 3 of his makes with two of them coming in the 4th, and Steph also set up the momentum-changing 3s late in the 3rd.

Curry is arguably the GOAT offensive player, it's okay to admit the effect he has on opposing defenses and how it benefits his teammates. All the data backs up his impact as well.

Curry also played great D in Game 5


• In addition to his eight points, eight rebounds and six assists. Draymond Green also held his defensive matchups to just six points on 1-of-9 (11.1%) shooting, while forcing four turnovers in 15:38 of defensive matchup time.

• While his shots were not falling, Stephen Curry was strong defensively, holding his matchups to eight points on 3-of-12 (25%) shooting and forcing three turnovers in 15:08 of matchup time.

• Andrew Wiggins was the primary defender on a team-high 22 shot attempts as he posted a game-high 17:29 of defensive matchup time. Wiggins held his matchups to 10-of-22 (45.5%) shooting overall, but the Celtics did shoot 5-of-7 from beyond the arc against him.

[Kblaze8855]

Of course they aren't wide open all the time. But if they beat their guy they won't have to deal with a help defender as often when Steph is on the floor.


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There’s nothing wrong with that but that isn’t how people talk. What people do is act like Steph has been doubled off the ball leaving someone else open in the normal course of events. You watch the game and he’s left single covered the extreme extreme majority of the time. But people will do what you did there and take a freeze frame to manipulate the perception.

You just watch a game everyone is open at times. Guys get doubled who don’t even matter because of a mixup. Teams might stroll right away from curry to cover Draymond and leave him wide open:


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But then you hear “They aren’t even guarding Draymond!”.

All of these random errors that create open looks happen all the time in every game but because Curry(like most superstars but obviously to a greater extent) draws significant attention and got the narrative behind it we disregard it happening in other cases.

Video I posted first play(I think it was first) Klay gets doubled and it helps free Wiggins to go hit the floater.

When Curry gets doubled like that we talk gravity. Klay? I read topics on how he isn’t really a better shooter than Harden because he’s been wide open for a decade off Steph as if people aren’t watching these games.


Half these dunker bigs shoot 60-70% or near it these days because people collapse on the drive all the time and just give them dunks. Rudy Gobert, Capela, DJ and so on arent 65-70 percent shooters off tough shots. Someone drives and drops it off to them wide open all game.

But Steph gets collapsed on and leaves the dunker open it’s a screenshot about gravity.

That’s a mistake is what it is. Shaq faced immense pressure but he still got easy drop off dunks off penetration. And that’s Shaq not these scrubs. People have been forgetting the big and giving up a drop off dunk for 100 years but a dumb overplay with him is posted 30 times in a week.

A drop off after a collapse on a drive does not mean you were quadruple teamed. Two defenders being in a frame when they intentionally brought the other there via a screen is not being double teamed. John Stockton dropped it off for 7000 Karl Malone jumpers and layups that doesn’t mean the misplay that led both defenders to briefly cover him to allow that was an intentional double team.

It’s a misread.

Guys are just playing basketball then having the entire things made out to be a product of one guy like they aren’t all hustling, scoring on on one, screening, passing, and moving and it’s almost disrespectful at this point.

Steph commands immense attention.

Hes also not the reason guys make fadeaways in traffic. Everyone can be good at once.

Hes the finals mvp(if they win). Wiggins, Klay, and so on are also out there creating shots independent of him and deserve credit for it. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

[warriorfan]

There’s nothing wrong with that but that isn’t how people talk. What people do is act like Steph has been doubled off the ball leaving someone else open in the normal course of events. You watch the game and he’s left single covered the extreme extreme majority of the time. But people will do what you did there and take a freeze frame to manipulate the perception.

You just watch a game everyone is open at times. Guys get doubled who don’t even matter because of a mixup. Teams might stroll right away from curry to cover Draymond and leave him wide open:


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But then you hear “They aren’t even guarding Draymond!”.

All of these random errors that create open looks happen all the time in every game but because Curry(like most superstars but obviously to a greater extent) draws significant attention and got the narrative behind it we disregard it happening in other cases.

Video I posted first play(I think it was first) Klay gets doubled and it helps free Wiggins to go hit the floater.

When Curry gets doubled like that we talk gravity. Klay? I read topics on how he isn’t really a better shooter than Harden because he’s been wide open for a decade off Steph as if people aren’t watching these games.


Half these dunker bigs shoot 60-70% or near it these days because people collapse on the drive all the time and just give them dunks. Rudy Gobert, Capela, DJ and so on arent 65-70 percent shooters off tough shots. Someone drives and drops it off to them wide open all game.

But Steph gets collapsed on and leaves the dunker open it’s a screenshot about gravity.

That’s a mistake is what it is. Shaq faced immense pressure but he still got easy drop off dunks off penetration. And that’s Shaq not these scrubs. People have been forgetting the big and giving up a drop off dunk for 100 years but a dumb overplay with him is posted 30 times in a week.

A drop off after a collapse on a drive does not mean you were quadruple teamed. Two defenders being in a frame when they intentionally brought the other there via a screen is not being double teamed. John Stockton dropped it off for 7000 Karl Malone jumpers and layups that doesn’t mean the misplay that led both defenders to briefly cover him to allow that was an intentional double team.

It’s a misread.

Guys are just playing basketball then having the entire things made out to be a product of one guy like they aren’t all hustling, scoring on on one, screening, passing, and moving and it’s almost disrespectful at this point.

Steph commands immense attention.

Hes also not the reason guys make fadeaways in traffic. Everyone can be good at once.

Hes the finals mvp(if they win). Wiggins, Klay, and so on are also out there creating shots independent of him and deserve credit for it. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.


Advanced stats disagree with you

[Kblaze8855]

Advanced stats disagree that Steph is finals mvp and his teammates make shots on their own?

What is there to disagree with? I feel like you want me to be saying something I’m not.

You literally want to credit him with every basket anyone else makes?

[FultzNationRISE]

https://youtu.be/TVjgcQry3Xs


People watch these baskets and genuinely conclude he’s making multiple contested fadeaways, floaters over Timelord, and finishing over and around help because Steph just exists?

Can anyone who isn’t his teams best player just get credit for being able to play basketball?

Does a fundamental drop off for a fast break layup or close out resulting in swinging the ball to the open man really discredit the guy getting the ball that much even when mixed into so many straight iso pull-ups, hard drives, and shots created off the bounce?

Are people required to call a clear out before every basket or not have their play acknowledged in a world we claim to want people to play team ball?

He’s playing basketball. Well rounded offensive basketball. People have to pretend everyone on the warriors is being spoonfed all their baskets to make Steph look better?

Guy is one of the most highly regarded players in history and has less haters than anyone on his level has had since Duncan in his prime. He doesn’t need the extra layer of bullshit. His teammates can be credited with their ability to score while also acknowledging he’s a goat tier offensive player. It doesn’t have to be one or the other when you’re sitting there watching dudes score one on one and in traffic.

It takes absolutely nothing from Steph to acknowledge other people creating their own looks. When your gravity is you being guarded one on one standing still 25 feet away while someone attacks his man one on one with help d behind him and hits a tough fadeaway maybe we can just credit the guy hitting the shot….a little?

You don’t have to take it as an insult to Steph. I’m sure he doesn’t. He doesn’t strike me as the type to be upset his teammate hit a tough shot or act like it reflects poorly on him. Because it doesn’t. We can admit Wiggins plays well and makes tough shots that have little or nothing to do with anyone else when it happens.

It doesn’t always have to be all about the star.

:applause:

I absolutely agree with you, Wiggins is the clear cut FMVP as of right now.

[hold this L]

Advanced stats disagree that Steph is finals mvp and his teammates make shots on their own?

What is there to disagree with? I feel like you want me to be saying something I’m not.

You literally want to credit him with every basket anyone else makes?

They obviously make shots on their own but when the ORTG falls off from what would be a league best to a G-league level offense without him on the court (despite Kerr fielding the best lineup of JP, Dray, Klay, Wiggins, Otto/Looney/whoever is in form), it shows that they really can't create all that well without him. And of course Klay is going to affect gravity in some level, but Step is in another dimension.

[ImKobe]

They obviously make shots on their own but when the ORTG falls off from what would be a league best to a G-league level offense without him on the court (despite Kerr fielding the best lineup of JP, Dray, Klay, Wiggins, Otto/Looney/whoever is in form), it shows that they really can't create all that well without him. And of course Klay is going to affect gravity in some level, but Step is in another dimension.

Yup. They're 8 pts per 100 worse on offense without him in these Playoffs, and that's with them having all of their best offensive players other than Curry out there while he sits with Poole essentially playing his role. He also had a 118 ORTG despite the bad shooting night in Game 5.

[tontoz]

Boston wasn't doubling Steph aggressively the first four games which is why he's been going off. In game 5 they were more aggressive guarding him which opened up shots for everyone else.

[Kblaze8855]

They are creating shots without him even when he’s on the floor. Merely existing and having someone stand near you while someone else scores one on one 30 feet away with help D ready does not make you responsible for the basket. Not Steph, not Jordan, Lebron, Shaq, Wilt, Magic or anyone else. This kind of hyperbole represents the worst kind of modern individual only one man is the story fan hood.

And it isn’t even just the Warriors for the record. Or even basketball. It’s the entire way we talk sports.

The star is everything. The star merely being on the floor even if guarded by one man is credited for stare down man to man shots 20-30 feet away because hypothetically whoever made it may have been doubled if the star weren’t being single covered elsewhere. But when the star scores one on one it isn’t because whoever could have doubled him didn’t want to leave a shooter open. The star gets credit for one on one plays but the help is apparently only afforded the luxury of such plays because the star takes abstract “attention”.

As a laugh it’s fine. It’s a joke. Such and such won all by himself and all that. I’m not anti hyperbole for effect or having a good time but we are getting to a point people legit seem to believe this shit. We watch Brunson lead the Mavs to two playoff wins without Luka then spend a week hearing how Luka wins with no help.

They all have help. All of their help helps them. If the warriors actually got to play 4 on 3 offense because 2 people guarded Steph they would go 82-0 and sweep the playoffs when he averaged 12ppg mostly in transition. But leave it at “Steph gets a lot of attention….and his teammates also play well” and that truth is taken as hate because anything shy of a total dismissal of the non stars is read as trying to take credit from mother star.

You can’t say Pau is great. Or Pippen. Can’t say the 11 Mavs had crazy veteran depth and defense. That Kyrie was nasty. You have to lay so much credit at the feet of the star it blocks out the other guys contribution totally or…you must hate the star.

It can’t just be “He’s the best shooter ever, should be finals mvp, and I expect either a dominant 38 or an unselfish 22 taking advantage of the defense they throw at him as they win the title.”? I have to give him credit for every basket scored while he’s on the court or I’m…what…preying on his downfall?

[tontoz]

Here is an analysis of the changes Boston made defensively in game 5 which opened things up for Steph's teammates.



https://youtu.be/B-XiycImkdc

[hold this L]

They are creating shots without him even when he’s on the floor. Merely existing and having someone stand near you while someone else scores one on one 30 feet away with help D ready does not make you responsible for the basket. Not Steph, not Jordan, Lebron, Shaq, Wilt, Magic or anyone else. This kind of hyperbole represents the worst kind of modern individual only one man is the story fan hood.

And it isn’t even just the Warriors for the record. Or even basketball. It’s the entire way we talk sports.

The star is everything. The star merely being on the floor even if guarded by one man is credited for stare down man to man shots 20-30 feet away because hypothetically whoever made it may have been doubled if the star weren’t being single covered elsewhere. But when the star scores one on one it isn’t because whoever could have doubled him didn’t want to leave a shooter open. The star gets credit for one on one plays but the help is apparently only afforded the luxury of such plays because the star takes abstract “attention”.

As a laugh it’s fine. It’s a joke. Such and such won all by himself and all that. I’m not anti hyperbole for effect or having a good time but we are getting to a point people legit seem to believe this shit. We watch Brunson lead the Mavs to two playoff wins without Luka then spend a week hearing how Luka wins with no help.

They all have help. All of their help helps them. If the warriors actually got to play 4 on 3 offense because 2 people guarded Steph they would go 82-0 and sweep the playoffs when he averaged 12ppg mostly in transition. But leave it at “Steph gets a lot of attention….and his teammates also play well” and that truth is taken as hate because anything shy of a total dismissal of the non stars is read as trying to take credit from mother star.

You can’t say Pau is great. Or Pippen. Can’t say the 11 Mavs had crazy veteran depth and defense. That Kyrie was nasty. You have to lay so much credit at the feet of the star it blocks out the other guys contribution totally or…you must hate the star.

It can’t just be “He’s the best shooter ever, should be finals mvp, and I expect either a dominant 38 or an unselfish 22 taking advantage of the defense they throw at him as they win the title.”? I have to give him credit for every basket scored while he’s on the court or I’m…what…preying on his downfall?

He does exactly what you try to put down, at a historical level. Shaq is the only player that affects the shape of the court in the way the Chef does, the only difference is that Steph can do it from half court. Anywhere from half court instead of just in the paint. You can complain all you want but they have a historically high offensive on/off when he sits, and that's with the next 5 best players on the court. Even when they have guys like Otto, Klay, JP, Wiggins and a center the difference is still massive.

Noone is taking anything from the other guys. A lot of what is being done is incredible elite defense, both invidividual and team level to lock Boston down. Wiggins, Dray at the forefront, Klay, GP, Steph, Looney in particular after that. Boston has scored under 100 two times this post season before the series, it's already happened 3 times in the final. You can't just say Steph. Curry scored 47 and had a much better game vs Toronto considering the circumstances, but he didn't have Wiggins grabbing 16 rebounds to swing the game, so they lost so nobody gives a ****. Steph has a 116ORTG in the series so far. Giannis 107, Butler despite shooting exceptionally well, 107 when he's on the court. Defense is making a massive difference in this series.

But offensively.. Steph so far is turning water into wine in this series.

[tpols]

They are creating shots without him even when heÂ’s on the floor. Merely existing and having someone stand near you while someone else scores one on one 30 feet away with help D ready does not make you responsible for the basket.


It does in a way indirectly. When Curry is off the floor the defense breathes a sigh of relief. When Currys on the floor there exists an anxiety of containing him at all times. When currys off the floor they know to key in on guys like klay and Wiggins. And are more confident in doing so without having the thought of curry burning them in the back of their head.

[plowking]

Well, you are blindly only looking at "scored points". Isn't Wiggins the primary defedner on Tatum? So, he's not only guarding Boston's best guy while putting up even better numbers than Curry in crucial moments.

Curry in 4th quarters is 2-6, 0-0, 1-4, 2-4 an 2-6 while he doesn't even play D. Curry had 1 great game, so did Wiggins last game and up until then people were saying Brown was the finals MVP... So, isn't Wiggins the actual FMVP since he has been great offensively and best defensively?

"Curry doesn't play D"

Jesus... People think they can just say cliches until the cows come home. Reality is, Curry has been pretty good on defense. He is getting switched on to Tatum up the top of the key plenty of times, and he is perfectly shading him into help defenders, hence why Tatum is shooting 35% for the series.


Also - basketball is played over 4 quarters, not just the last one. Curry has been the best in all the quarters, regardless of the numbers. Dude gets the most coverage out of anyone on the court.

[Kblaze8855]

Noone is taking anything from the other guys..


The post under yours credits baskets made one on one without Steph involved to “anxiety” related to Steph possibly becoming involved. Nba players make shots…not because they are good…because the defense has anxiety…because Steph might do something. So we are to give him credit for every basket scored.

But nobody is taking anything from the other guys.

When he scores 36 tonight people are literally prepared to credit him for the entirety of the rest of the teams 79 no matter how they are scored. Someone will quote something I said, post a screenshot that is a tenth of a second of 48 minutes and act like they never saw a double team, ignore 42 possessions of man to man D, and talk about him winning finals mvp as if I said he shouldn’t. Or as if you could find anything I said negative about him in the last 13 years.

It has gone past the watching of a game and acknowledging what happens. We are about to watch switches leave him single covered, doubles on Klay get Wiggins open, coast to coast layups with him out of the game, stepback threes with him out of the play, dunks for a wide open Looney because his defender forgot about him to rotate on Draymond who never intended to score and 8 “Oh my god Steph got him wide open” plays in 2 hours which…assuming they win…will get more attention than 58 times he didn’t.

Its a pre written story based on a narrative that as always…is hyperbole that the stupid repeat as if it’s literal and eventually believe it is.

I promise you whatever happens in a moment “Nobody is taking anything from the other guys” won’t be the way to describe it. Win or lose…a lot of people are gonna take from the other guys.

This topic will have a misleading screenshot of a double team by morning and likely a photo of Steph with finals mvp as if anything Ive said suggests I think he shouldn’t win it. Nobody but him is likely to be a story. We would have to have a serious “Game 6 Klay” style shootout to even get a teammates name to come up twice.

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The post under yours credits baskets made one on one without Steph involved to “anxiety” related to Steph possibly becoming involved. Nba players make shots…not because they are good…because the defense has anxiety…because Steph might do something. So we are to give him credit for every basket scored.

But nobody is taking anything from the other guys.

When he scores 36 tonight people are literally prepared to credit him for the entirety of the rest of the teams 79 no matter how they are scored. Someone will quote something I said, post a screenshot that is a tenth of a second of 48 minutes and act like they never saw a double team, ignore 42 possessions of man to man D, and talk about him winning finals mvp as if I said he shouldn’t. Or as if you could find anything I said negative about him in the last 13 years.

It has gone past the watching of a game and acknowledging what happens. We are about to watch switches leave him single covered, doubles on Klay get Wiggins open, coast to coast layups with him out of the game, stepback threes with him out of the play, dunks for a wide open Looney because his defender forgot about him to rotate on Draymond who never intended to score and 8 “Oh my god Steph got him wide open” plays in 2 hours which…assuming they win…will get more attention than 58 times he didn’t.

Its a pre written story based on a narrative that as always…is hyperbole that the stupid repeat as if it’s literal and eventually believe it is.

I promise you whatever happens in a moment “Nobody is taking anything from the other guys” won’t be the way to describe it. Win or lose…a lot of people are gonna take from the other guys.

This topic will have a misleading screenshot of a double team by morning and likely a photo of Steph with finals mvp as if anything Ive said suggests I think he shouldn’t win it. Nobody but him is likely to be a story. We would have to have a serious “Game 6 Klay” style shootout to even get a teammates name to come up twice.

Blame the everyday fan today for stupid logic and notions that championships make a player better somehow. As if players like Kevin Garnett all of a sudden got more validated or better as a player when clearly winning one past their prime. Same as Gary Payton or if Karl Malone had won with the Lakers.

Luck and the right set of circumstances play as big a part in winning as anything.

Narrative plays too much of a part in the modern fans analysis today.