Curry just needs Wiggins and a ball - Lebron needs all-time scorers at sidekick

[3ba11]

Lebron can't beat Finals teams while carrying the scoring load (too ball-dominant), so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick to lessen his scoring burden.

Otoh, Curry can beat Finals teams while carrying the scoring load (it's still a good brand of ball), so he can win with secondary scorers like Wiggins

Curry, MJ and other off-ball experts are simply easier to build around because you don't need another #1 to put alongside them like Wade or AD - secondary scorers like Wiggins, Klay or Pippen will do

[Axe]

1-9

[1987_Lakers]

Curry just needs Wiggins. MJ needed Pippen.

[3ba11]

Curry just needs Wiggins. MJ needed Pippen.


Wiggins is still a 20 ppg player outside of the dynasty system, while Pippen is a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle

I'm just stating the historical record - this isn't opinion

[1987_Lakers]

Wiggins is still a 20 ppg player outside of the dynasty system, while Pippen is a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle

I'm just stating the historical record - this isn't opinion

Pippen averaged 22 ppg without MJ.

If we want to play it your way, MJ was a career loser without the triangle.

[3ba11]

Pippen averaged 22 ppg without MJ.

If we want to play it your way, MJ was a career loser without the triangle.


Pippen had a 3-peat dynasty system in 94'

Outside of that, he was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score

That's the historical record

Btw, imagine 22 ppg being a player's absolute peak scoring ability - that's the lowest peak ever - it's 2005 Larry Hughes (22/6/5 with 1st team defense)... aka Pippen was garbage and the most overrated player of all-time

[1987_Lakers]

Pippen had a 3-peat dynasty system in 94'

Outside of that, he was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score

That's the historical record

Btw, imagine 22 ppg being a player's absolute peak scoring ability - that's the lowest peak ever - it's 2005 Larry Hughes (22/6/5 with 1st team defense)... aka garbage peak

Outside of the system MJ is 1-9.

That's a historical record.

[Phoenix]

Pippen had a 3-peat dynasty system in 94'

Outside of that, he was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score

That's the historical record

Btw, imagine 22 ppg being a player's absolute peak scoring ability - that's the lowest peak ever - it's 2005 Larry Hughes (22/6/5 with 1st team defense)... aka Pippen was garbage and the most overrated player of all-time

That's what Kobe averaged in 2000. Are you saying 2005 Larry Hughes was as good as 2000 Kobe Bryant, and that 2000 Kobe was garbage? BTW, don't ever be of the impression that any question I pose in your direction is intended to generate a good faith conversation. I'm here drinking a rum and tonic and you can entertain me with your reply for a few minutes.

[r15mohd]

Pippen had a 3-peat dynasty system in 94'

Outside of that, he was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score

That's the historical record

Btw, imagine 22 ppg being a player's absolute peak scoring ability - that's the lowest peak ever - it's 2005 Larry Hughes (22/6/5 with 1st team defense)... aka Pippen was garbage and the most overrated player of all-time

in this thread, Hughes was a 'garbage peak' player, but for some strange reason in other threads, Lebron having hughes was some astronomical gift. these goal posts you have are very agile lol

[Phoenix]

in this thread, Hughes was a 'garbage peak' player, but for some strange reason in other threads, Lebron having hughes was some astronomical gift. these goal posts you have are very agile lol

Ah, so you picked up on that too?

[3ba11]

in this thread, Hughes was a 'garbage peak' player, but for some strange reason in other threads, Lebron having hughes was some astronomical gift. these goal posts you have are very agile lol


Both Hughes and Pippen are trash - that's my point - Pippen was Hughes-caliber (garbage)

[Phoenix]

Both Hughes and Pippen are trash - that's my point - Pippen was Hughes-caliber (garbage)

2005 Hughes was 2000 Kobe caliber (22/6/5, all-defense).

https://c.tenor.com/5vcncLxsNYcAAAAC/whoops-whoopsie.gif

[3ba11]

2005 Hughes was 2000 Kobe caliber (22/6/5, all-defense).

https://c.tenor.com/5vcncLxsNYcAAAAC/whoops-whoopsie.gif


2000 Kobe was nowhere near his peak

05' Hughes was Pippen's peak... Let that sink in

lol

Carry on

[Lebron23]

OP needs to be put in a Mental/Psychiatric Hospital.

[Phoenix]

2000 Kobe was nowhere near his peak

05' Hughes was Pippen's peak... Let that sink in

lol

Carry on

But you called that level trash, so you're saying 2000 Kobe was trash. I never said it was his peak

Let that sink in

lol

Carry on

[AlternativeAcc.]

Curry just needs the greatest 3 pt shooter ever (klay)
Curry just needs a 26/5/5 on 64% TS stud when curry doesn't play (poole)
Curry just needs a hyper-athletic former number 1 pick dynamic two-way superstar who should've won fmvp (wiggins)
Curry just needs the best defender of the last 15 years and the intangibles king (Big Dray)


Curry just needs a REDICULIOUSLY EASY PATH WHERE HE FACED TWO TOTAL STARS IN ROUTE TO THE FINALS

CURRY JUST NEEDS A SUPER EASY FINALS MATCHUP WHERE THE OPPOSING TEAMS BEST PLAYER SCORES 20 ON 35% AND TURNS IT OVER 5 TIMES A GAME




THATS IT!!!!!!

[Axe]

Curry just needs the greatest 3 pt shooter ever (klay)
Curry just needs a 26/5/5 on 64% TS stud when curry doesn't play (poole)
Curry just needs a hyper-athletic former number 1 pick dynamic two-way superstar who should've won fmvp (wiggins)
Curry just needs the best defender of the last 15 years and the intangibles king (Big Dray)


Curry just needs a REDICULIOUSLY EASY PATH WHERE HE FACED TWO TOTAL STARS IN ROUTE TO THE FINALS

CURRY JUST NEEDS A SUPER EASY FINALS MATCHUP WHERE THE OPPOSING TEAMS BEST PLAYER SCORES 20 ON 35% AND TURNS IT OVER 5 TIMES A GAME




THATS IT!!!!!!
Where's steve kerr and andre iguodala? Lmao.

[3ba11]

Curry just needs the greatest 3 pt shooter ever (klay)
Curry just needs a 26/5/5 on 64% TS stud when curry doesn't play (poole)
Curry just needs a hyper-athletic former number 1 pick dynamic two-way superstar who should've won fmvp (wiggins)
Curry just needs the best defender of the last 15 years and the intangibles king (Big Dray)


Curry just needs a REDICULIOUSLY EASY PATH WHERE HE FACED TWO TOTAL STARS IN ROUTE TO THE FINALS

CURRY JUST NEEDS A SUPER EASY FINALS MATCHUP WHERE THE OPPOSING TEAMS BEST PLAYER SCORES 20 ON 35% AND TURNS IT OVER 5 TIMES A GAME




THATS IT!!!!!!


Everything you mentioned is just regular basketball teams

No other real stars or go-to players

Curry is the only go-to player, so he must carry the scoring load and therefore face maximum defensive attention

Let's not pretend that Klay is an elite 1st option and all-time scorer that routinely averages 25-30 like Wade, AD or Kyrie - these guys matched or exceeded Lebron's scoring for entire playoff runs... Curry doesn't have that kind of help and therefore must face maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

People forget that SCORING HELP is the biggest kind of help - it's the "star" help and a ball-dominator like Lebron needs a lot more of it than an off-ball guy like Curry that employs a superior brand of ball

Klay is a true secondary option and not an elite 1st option like Lebron's sidekicks - it's much harder to win with secondary producers because it requires carrying the scoring load (defeating maximum defensive attention).

[AlternativeAcc.]

Everything you mentioned is just regular basketball teams

No other real stars or go-to players

Curry is the only go-to player, so he must carry the scoring load and therefore face maximum defensive attention

Let's not pretend that Klay is an elite 1st option and all-time scorer that routinely averages 25-30 like Wade, AD or Kyrie - these guys matched or exceeded Lebron's scoring for entire playoff runs... Curry doesn't have that kind of help and therefore must face maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

People forget that SCORING HELP is the biggest kind of help - it's the "star" help and a ball-dominator like Lebron needs a lot more of it than an off-ball guy like Curry that employs a superior brand of ball

Klay is a true secondary option and not an elite 1st option like Lebron's sidekicks - it's much harder to win with secondary producers because it requires carrying the scoring load (defeating maximum defensive attention).

Klay is the best shooter EVER .. that's not normal

Poole averages better numbers than steph himself when steph doesn't play... 1st team all NBA

Dray is the best defender of his generation

Wiggins held Tatum to 20 on 35%....

None of that is remotely normal and you know it.

It's the best help/weakest comp ever by a wide margin

[SouBeachTalents]

But you called that level trash, so you're saying 2000 Kobe was trash. I never said it was his peak

Let that sink in

lol

Carry on
Yeah, he had no good response for this :lol

[Lebron23]

Alternativeaccount just destroyed 3ball just like when Larry Bird dominated Jordan in the regular season, and playoffs.

[3ba11]

But you called that level trash, so you're saying 2000 Kobe was trash. I never said it was his peak

Let that sink in

lol

Carry on


2000 Kobe wasn't in his prime yet but his conference playoff performance was top tier and a lot better than 05' Hughes, who was down at Pippen's level

Kobe infact carried the Lakers to the 2000 Finals with a historic ragdolling of Pippen and alley to Shaq

[Phoenix]

2000 Kobe wasn't in his prime yet but his conference playoff performance was top tier and a lot better than 05' Hughes, who was down at Pippen's level

Kobe infact carried the Lakers to the 2000 Finals with a historic ragdolling of Pippen and alley to Shaq

You boiled it down to stats like you always do. You said Pippen was 05 Hughes level because he averaged 22/6/5, which equates to what Kobe averaged in 2000. You're now trying to squirm around the fact that your reasoning creates obvious counter arguments. The point is, 2000 Kobe averaging identical numbers to 2005 Hughes doesn't make them any more equal than it does 2005 Hughes and Pippen. Players can average similar stats in different situations and by no means equate to being equals. It would be like loooking at 2010 Monta Eliis averaging 26ppg and trying to make the case that he's an equal or better scorer than Dirk who averaged 25, or Kobe and Wade who averaged 27 that year. You act like context literally has no place and boil it down to simpleton PPG comparisons.

You try to use Kobe in the playoffs( at least through the conference finals) to say he was better than 2005 Hughes, meanwhile 2005 Hughes in the playoffs was 21/7/4 on 38% shooting. That was his best, and I can find countless series of Scottie doing better than that.....but you call them equals. You're a hypocrite.

[tpols]

Klay shot like shit in this series. As did dray even worse. Wiggins 51 TS was the highlight help.

Curry just showed what it took for Jordan to win. Bed wetting teammates he had to carry except he did 30+ on 63TS. MJ never did that on a #1 defense.

Everybody knows Curry shits on LeBron and we saw that in real time but its time to evaluate his impact vs a superior player in Micheal Jordan.

[zeerghit]

Curry just needs the greatest 3 pt shooter ever (klay)
Curry just needs a 26/5/5 on 64% TS stud when curry doesn't play (poole)
Curry just needs a hyper-athletic former number 1 pick dynamic two-way superstar who should've won fmvp (wiggins)
Curry just needs the best defender of the last 15 years and the intangibles king (Big Dray)


Curry just needs a REDICULIOUSLY EASY PATH WHERE HE FACED TWO TOTAL STARS IN ROUTE TO THE FINALS

CURRY JUST NEEDS A SUPER EASY FINALS MATCHUP WHERE THE OPPOSING TEAMS BEST PLAYER SCORES 20 ON 35% AND TURNS IT OVER 5 TIMES A GAME




THATS IT!!!!!!

why you so upset? dude grow some fcking respect for ur self u look like a b*tch

[Bankaii]

Klay shot like shit in this series. As did dray even worse. Wiggins 51 TS was the highlight help.

Curry just showed what it took for Jordan to win. Bed wetting teammates he had to carry except he did 30+ on 63TS. MJ never did that on a #1 defense.

Everybody knows Curry shits on LeBron and we saw that in real time but its time to evaluate his impact vs a superior player in Micheal Jordan.

Klay shot like shit in this series. As did dray even worse. Wiggins 51 TS was the highlight help.

Curry just showed what it took for Jordan to win. Bed wetting teammates he had to carry except he did 30+ on 63TS. MJ never did that on a #1 defense.

Everybody knows Curry shits on LeBron and we saw that in real time but its time to evaluate his impact vs a superior player in Micheal Jordan.
Wiggins was the best defensive player in the entire series. Offensively, he was arguably the 2nd best, with only Brown even haven’t an argument.

The Warriors were clearly the superior team on both sides. The greatest shooter of all time went 0/9 from 3 and his team still won. The 20-0 run was with him mainly on the bench.

You can make up all that bs about gravity and intangibles, but Curry has only won when his team was the overwhelming favorite.

[Axe]

Wiggins was the best defensive player in the entire series. Offensively, he was arguably the 2nd best, with only Brown even haven’t an argument.

The Warriors were clearly the superior team on both sides. The greatest shooter of all time went 0/9 from 3 and his team still won. The 20-0 run was with him mainly on the bench.

You can make up all that bs about gravity and intangibles, but Curry has only won when his team was the overwhelming favorite.
Good points. His team haven't won a finals yet without hca too.

[3ba11]

.
Comparing Iggy & Pippen as 1st options in Playoffs against East champs (Dwight/Ewing)


Iguodala 2009 Playoffs vs Dwight.... 21.5... 6.3... 6.7... 44.9%... lost in 6 (no kukoc miracle)

Pippen 1994 Playoffs vs Ewing......... 21.7... 7.7... 4.7... 40.5%... lost in 7 (kukoc miracle)



Hornacek vs Klay


Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)'............ 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)'............ 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts



TLDR: 2nd option champions are among the most overrated players because they play at a Hornacek or Iggy level but the winning spotlight inflates them to all-time status

[3ba11]

You can make up all that bs about gravity and intangibles, but Curry has only won when his team was the overwhelming favorite.


Nobody is making anything up - Wiggins had no accolade - he was perceived as a perennial loser and bum before latching onto a dynasty system where the winning spotlight inflates his 18 ppg to potential HOF

That's what the winning spotlight does - it inflates 2nd option champions the most - guys that are playing below a Hornacek or Iggy level get inflated to HOF (see previous post)

[DidUSaySomethin]

Everything you mentioned is just regular basketball teams

No other real stars or go-to players

Curry is the only go-to player, so he must carry the scoring load and therefore face maximum defensive attention

Let's not pretend that Klay is an elite 1st option and all-time scorer that routinely averages 25-30 like Wade, AD or Kyrie

Last time Kyrie averaged 25+ in the postseason was when he played with LeBron. There isn't just one way to win

[tpols]

Wiggins was the best defensive player in the entire series. Offensively, he was arguably the 2nd best, with only Brown even haven’t an argument.

The Warriors were clearly the superior team on both sides. The greatest shooter of all time went 0/9 from 3 and his team still won. The 20-0 run was with him mainly on the bench.

You can make up all that bs about gravity and intangibles, but Curry has only won when his team was the overwhelming favorite.

The Warriors were not heavy favorites at all. In fact multiple times in the series they were big underdogs. After game 3 Celtics were projected to win like 80/20 huge favorites. Then steph dropped a 43 point bomb on them and reversed momentum.

18 on 51 TS from your 2nd option is one of the lowest productions for a title winning sidekick ever. The warriors had +1100 title odds to start the season and nobody thought they would ring this year. Wiggins had never even made an All Star game, Poole was plucked from the g league, and klay came back off catastrophic injury.

Curry had to put this team on his back and shut you guys up after all that FMVP talk.

[Axe]

The Warriors were not heavy favorites at all. In fact multiple times in the series they were big underdogs. After game 3 Celtics were projected to win like 80/20 huge favorites. Then steph dropped a 43 point bomb on them and reversed momentum.

18 on 51 TS from your 2nd option is one of the lowest productions for a title winning sidekick ever. The warriors had +1100 title odds to start the season and nobody thought they would ring this year. Wiggins had never even made an All Star game, Poole was plucked from the g league, and klay came back off catastrophic injury.

Curry had to put this team on his back and shut you guys up after all that FMVP talk.
Yet that's still higher than kobe's 15.6 on 41 ts during the 2000 finals.

[red1]

pippens bulls won 55-games without mike.


mike needed a 50-win team and dogshit competition to win any rings.

[tpols]

Yet that's still higher than kobe's 15.6 on 41 ts during the 2000 finals.

Kobe got hurt in that series intentionally by jalen rose. So you're omitting very important context. Regardless of injury he still saved the series with this clutch performance after Shaq fouled out.


https://youtu.be/WSdhzK-ud3U

[Axe]

Kobe got hurt in that series intentionally by jalen rose. So you're omitting very important context. Regardless of injury he still saved the series with this clutch performance after Shaq fouled out.


https://youtu.be/WSdhzK-ud3U
Lmao 32 year-old scottie pippen had 15.7 on 50 ts during the 1998 finals and that's with an injured foot. Hell, he possibly would've been finals mvp if not for that minor setback. Just saying.

[tpols]

Lmao 32 year-old scottie pippen had 15.7 on 50 ts during the 1998 finals and that's with an injured foot. Hell, he possibly would've been finals mvp if not for that minor setback. Just saying.

Well yes I agree with that. Pippen is extremely overrated and regularly shit the bed leaving Michael with a huge offensive burden. We just saw Curry win having to carry a similar burden. These are two GOAT level players.

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe got hurt in that series intentionally by jalen rose. So you're omitting very important context. Regardless of injury he still saved the series with this clutch performance after Shaq fouled out.


https://youtu.be/WSdhzK-ud3U

Lol, bringing up how Kobe was good for one game while ignoring Wiggins 26/13 performance in game 5 when the series was tied 2-2.

[Axe]

Lol, bringing up how Kobe was good for one game while ignoring Wiggins 26/13 performance in game 5 when the series was tied 2-2.
Because chef's help ain't supahstar-tier help! :yaohappy:

[Axe]

Well yes I agree with that. Pippen is extremely overrated and regularly shit the bed leaving Michael with a huge offensive burden. We just saw Curry win having to carry a similar burden. These are two GOAT level players.
But both his ts in 98 finals and wiggins's ts in this year's finals are still better than kobe's in 2000 finals.

[tpols]

Lol, bringing up how Kobe was good for one game while ignoring Wiggins 26/13 performance in game 5 when the series was tied 2-2.

Shaq in the 2000 Finals carried a similar offensive burden to this years Curry. I don't disagree with that. But it was due to injury. Jalen Rose purposely pulled a zaza / bowen move and ****ed up Kobes ankle. Wiggins was in perfect health.

2000 Shaq always gets huge props for his title. But everybody knows a healthy Kobe was in a different stratosphere than Wiggins. And I really like Wiggins. He's an awesome guy. But these are the facts my friend.

[1987_Lakers]

Shaq in the 2000 Finals carried a similar offensive burden to this years Curry. I don't disagree with that. But it was due to injury. Jalen Rose purposely pulled a zaza / bowen move and ****ed up Kobes ankle. Wiggins was in perfect health.

2000 Shaq always gets huge props for his title. But everybody knows a healthy Kobe was in a different stratosphere than Wiggins. And I really like Wiggins. He's an awesome guy. But these are the facts my friend.
And if it wasn't for injuries Curry probably loses in 2015. We can all play this game.

Still doesn't change the fact that you yourself said this Warriors team in general was as good as the 73 win team.

[tpols]

And if it wasn't for injuries Curry probably loses in 2015. We can all play this game.

Still doesn't change the fact that you yourself said this Warriors team in general was as good as the 73 win team.

2015 was 7 years ago. This year proves it wasnt a fluke. Boston was totally healthy and went through Durant, Kyrie, Giannis, and Butler to make the Finals. They went through a gauntlet and looked like a juggernaut. Until they ran into Currys warriors. ;)

And even then the first half of the series they looked better than golden state. Currys game 4 was an all time event.

[Axe]

Lmao a 67-win season is supposed to be a fluke now? :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

2015 was 7 years ago. This year proves it wasnt a fluke. Boston was totally healthy and went through Durant, Kyrie, Giannis, and Butler to make the Finals. They went through a gauntlet and looked like a juggernaut. Until they ran into Currys warriors. ;)

And even then the first half of the series they looked better than golden state. Currys game 4 was an all time event.

No one is calling the Warriors a fluke, they are an all-time team. But yes, they most likely lose in 2015 if it wasn't for injuries.

Also Ignoring how Middleton missed the entire Celtics-Bucks series and it still went 7 games. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Still doesn't change the fact that you yourself said this Warriors team in general was as good as the 73 win team.


The funny thing is I was proven right on that point. The 73 win warriors lost, albeit on fraudulent premises. This warrior team won the title against an even better opponent. The Wiggins upgrade over Harrison Barnes made all the difference. Barnes shit the bed in fantastic fashion to close that series while Wiggins came through clutch.

:oldlol: you don't even realize how bad you lost that argument.

[tpols]

No one is calling the Warriors a fluke, they are an all-time team. But yes, they most likely lose in 2015 if it wasn't for injuries.

Also Ignoring how Middleton missed the entire Celtics-Bucks series and it still went 7 games. :oldlol:

Yes the warriors benefited from injuries big time in 2015. And yes tons of you guys called them a fluke for it. This year they ran through a team that was playing at juggernaut level and fully healthy. And the dubs were totally on the ropes after game 3. But they pulled through and won and proved all you haters wrong that they couldn't win without Durant or another superstar alongside Curry. You took a HUGE L this year boyo. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

The funny thing is I was proven right on that point. The 73 win warriors lost, albeit on fraudulent premises. This warrior team won the title against an even better opponent. The Wiggins upgrade over Harrison Barnes made all the difference. Barnes shit the bed in fantastic fashion to close that series while Wiggins came through clutch.

:oldlol: you don't even realize how bad you lost that argument.

Is that why Draymond himself said playing the Celtics doesn't compare to playing LeBron?

"Well, it doesn't compare to mentally playing against LeBron James, who I think is arguably the smartest guy to ever play this game," Green told reporters in Boston. "Not one of, he is arguably the smartest guy to set foot on a basketball court. To say that it compares to that, it's disrespectful to LeBron and it's a lie to you.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/why-draymond-green-doesnt-believe-celtics-challenge-compares-lebron-james

[r15mohd]

2015 was 7 years ago. This year proves it wasnt a fluke. Boston was totally healthy and went through Durant, Kyrie, Giannis, and Butler to make the Finals. They went through a gauntlet and looked like a juggernaut. Until they ran into Currys warriors. ;)

And even then the first half of the series they looked better than golden state. Currys game 4 was an all time event.

you can try to inflate the Celtics all you want but they beat a Nets team that was completely disoriented the whole season (their own demise), a Bucks team that took them 7 while missing their 2nd best player who drops 20+ a night, and a Heat team that took them 7 who was a 1-man show and who's next best offensive threat missed the back-end of the series

Celtics were the real fluke and beneficial of the circumstances, not the Dubs - Dubs were consistent right through on their worth and it showed with how well they functioned without Curry and Klay in the reg season, and how well their bench stepped in.

[Axe]

Yes the warriors benefited from injuries big time in 2015. This year they ran through a team that was playing at juggernaut level and fully healthy. And the dubs were totally on the ropes after game 3. But they pulled through and won and proved all you haters wrong that they couldn't win without Durant or another superstar alongside Curry. You took a HUGE L This year boyo. :lol
Why are you excluding their path to the finals this year? :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Yes the warriors benefited from injuries big time in 2015. This year they ran through a team that was playing at juggernaut level and fully healthy. And the dubs were totally on the ropes after game 3. But they pulled through and won and proved all you haters wrong that they couldn't win without Durant or another superstar alongside Curry. You took a HUGE L this year boyo. :lol

Wrong, I picked the Warriors to beat the Celtics.


Warriors are a well oiled machine, on offense they play to their capabilities, unlike the Celtics at times, & they are solid on the defensive end. I do see Boston giving Curry, Klay, & Poole some issues like Memphis did, but Golden State's experience and the consistency they have shown in these playoffs is the reason why I'm picking them.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?504798-2022-NBA-Finals-(1)-Golden-State-Warriors-vs-(2)-Boston-Celtics/page2

Hold this L boyo. :lol

[tpols]

Wrong, I picked the Warriors to beat the Celtics.



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?504798-2022-NBA-Finals-(1)-Golden-State-Warriors-vs-(2)-Boston-Celtics/page2

Hold this L boyo. :lol

You said you do see the Celtics "giving Curry issues". :oldlol:

Yea that sure was the case pal. Talk about a whiff. And that's the point. You still didn't realize how good curry is until you saw what he did this year against a #1 defense and DPOY guarding him.

I hope you learned your lesson.

[Axe]

You said you do see the Celtics "giving Curry issues". :oldlol:

Yea that sure was the case pal. Talk about a whiff. And that's the point. You still didn't realize how good curry is until what he did this year against a #1 defense and DPOY guarding him.

I hope you learned your lesson.
Imagine making zero 3s in game 5 and still winning the game. That's what you call bonafide all-star help rt.

[1987_Lakers]

You said you do see the Celtics "giving Curry issues". :oldlol:

Yea that sure was the case pal. Talk about a whiff. And that's the point. You still didn't realize how good curry is until you saw what he did this year against a #1 defense and DPOY guarding him.

I hope you learned your lesson.

Well I was wrong on that part, mainly because the Celtics defensive game plan was to stop Curry's teammates instead, (using tons of drop coverage on Curry). They went all out on Curry in game 5 and Curry struggled, but his teammates stepped up, proving how stacked they are.

Doesn't change the fact that I still picked the Warriors to win this series, I was right.

Hold this L.

[1987_Lakers]

Live look at Tpols...

https://ktla.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/05/brandon-akridge.jpeg

Dude wanted no smoke with that Draymond quote about LeBron and the Celtics.

[red1]

Live look at Tpols...

https://ktla.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/05/brandon-akridge.jpeg

Dude wanted no smoke with that Draymond quote about LeBron and the Celtics.

:roll: :roll:

[tpols]

Well I was wrong on that part.


Yes sir you sure were.

And that was the biggest part.

https://c.tenor.com/UrH0iHCEaH8AAAAM/steph-curry-no.gif

[Axe]

Live look at Tpols...

https://ktla.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/05/brandon-akridge.jpeg

Dude wanted no smoke with that Draymond quote about LeBron and the Celtics.
Lol poor thurston

[red1]

Is that why Draymond himself said playing the Celtics doesn't compare to playing LeBron?

"Well, it doesn't compare to mentally playing against LeBron James, who I think is arguably the smartest guy to ever play this game," Green told reporters in Boston. "Not one of, he is arguably the smartest guy to set foot on a basketball court. To say that it compares to that, it's disrespectful to LeBron and it's a lie to you.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/why-draymond-green-doesnt-believe-celtics-challenge-compares-lebron-james

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[1987_Lakers]

:applause: :roll:

We stay winning. :pimp:

[Axe]

It seems tpots has been shut down.

[red1]

We stay winning. :pimp:

ez body bags :oldlol:


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[red1]

I have 3ball's soul in a jar at home

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[3ba11]

"Well, it doesn't compare to mentally playing against LeBron James, who I think is arguably the smartest guy to ever play this game," Green told reporters in Boston. "Not one of, he is arguably the smartest guy to set foot on a basketball court. To say that it compares to that, it's disrespectful to LeBron and it's a lie to you.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/why-draymond-green-doesnt-believe-celtics-challenge-compares-lebron-james





The Warriors beat Lebron by record amount and are 3-1 against Lebron - playing Lebron in the Finals means you're playing the worst comp, aka biggest loser in Finals history of 3-pointer basketball.

So Draymond is just lying because he's in business with Lebron and is saying that stuff for money.. literally... He's in business with Lebron... But the historical record shows that Lebron is the Warriors' bitch and he needs the most help to win - he needs crazy scoring help






Is that why Draymond himself said playing the Celtics doesn't compare to playing LeBron?





Ball-dominators need all-time scorers at sidekick - crazy scoring help like Kareem or Wade - whereas off-ball players can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen.

Specifically, ball-dominators lack sufficient brand at high scoring burden, so they can't carry the scoring load in the Finals and need all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 20' AD, 16' Kyrie)..

Otoh, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ maintain good brand while carrying the scoring load, so they can win Finals with secondary scorers at sidekick like Klay, Wiggins or Pippen

[1987_Lakers]

The Warriors beat Lebron by record amount and are 3-1 against Lebron - playing Lebron in the Finals means you're playing the worst comp, aka biggest loser in Finals history of 3-pointer basketball.

So Draymond is just lying because he's in business with Lebron and is saying that stuff for money.. literally... He's in business with Lebron... But the historical record shows that Lebron is the Warriors' bitch and he needs the most help to win - he needs crazy scoring help


Lets look at things objectively.

2015: No Kyrie & Love
2017 & 2018: Warriors had KD. Cavs were a 1 man team in 2018.

The only year both teams played and were similar in talent level was 2016, in which the Warriors were still favorites. LeBron did the unthinkable and beat a 73 win team. :pimp:

Draymond knows what he's talking about.

[3ba11]

Lets look at things objectively.

2015: No Kyrie & Love
2017 & 2018: Warriors had KD. Cavs were a 1 man team in 2018.

The only year both teams played and were similar in talent level was 2016, in which the Warriors were still favorites. LeBron did the unthinkable and beat a 73 win team. :pimp:

Draymond knows what he's talking about.


That's revisionist history.. Here's the actual historical record:

Klay/Dray hadn't been all-stars yet heading into the 15' season, while Kyrie/Love were perennial all-stars, so the Cavs were the preseason favorite in 15' and 16' - they were the on-paper, talent favorite with 3 go-to first options and the Warriors only had 1.

So KD merely made up the talent deficit and gave them a SMALL edge in 17' - Dirk and many others have overcome bigger talent deficits so Lebron could've won in 17' or 18. . Harden almost beat those Warriors with less help.

Infact, Lebron lost by record amount, which was far more than expected.. Many people thought the Cavs would win the 17' Finals like Nick Wright.. Lebron had a defending champion super-team and 3 go-to first options, yet you're making excuses for him like he had no chance.. it's RIDICULOUS

[1987_Lakers]

That's revisionist history.. Here's the actual historical record:

Klay/Dray hadn't been all-stars yet heading into the 15' season, while Kyrie/Love were perennial all-stars, so the Cavs were the preseason favorite in 15' and 16' - they were the on-paper, talent favorite with 3 go-to first options and the Warriors only had 1.

So KD merely made up the talent deficit and gave them a SMALL edge in 17' - Dirk and many others have overcome bigger talent deficits so Lebron could've won in 17' or 18. . Harden almost beat those Warriors with less help.

Infact, Lebron lost by record amount, which was far more than expected.. Many people thought the Cavs would win the 17' Finals like Nick Wright.. Lebron had a defending champion super-team and 3 go-to first options, yet you're making excuses for him like he had no chance.. it's RIDICULOUS

Klay & Draymond were playing at an all-star level in 2015, wtf does "they were not all-star level heading into the '15 season" prove? Garbage point. They were favorites heading into the Finals, even more so after Kyrie went down in game 1. This is an actual fact.

Imagine trying to argue adding a top 15 player ever to a 73 win team only gave them a "small edge". Again, Warriors were big favorites heading into the Finals when they had KD, and why don't you mention that the Warriors were also preseason favorites in '17 & '18? Doesn't fit your agenda right?

[Phoenix]

Man, how could I forget that classic 3autobot-ism

New additions in bold...

OTOH...BTW....THREADCLIFFS
The historical record
2022 Warriors win/lose depending on Wiggins paralleling player's scoring ppg from 30 years ago
2022 Cetlics=90's Bulls....................no wait never mind
Wiggins>Pippen
Poor reading comprehension
05 Hughes
89 Pippen
09 Mo
95 finals Horry
Criteria :confusedshrug:
Curry is most overrated ever....I mean top 5 GOAT
Giannis is Pippen-level bum.... I mean top 10 GOAT
Oubre
I have I N T E G R I T Y
Brand of Ball
Organic chips
Talent-based winning
Weak jumpshooting
Beginner format
Defeating maximum defensive attention
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[tpols]

But the historical record shows that Lebron is the Warriors' bitch


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1987 ain't gonna like that.

Good way of phrasing it.

[SpaceJammeR]

nothing stood out in the finals for curry. he didn't seem special or anything. he beat a team that lebron manhandled himself with lesser talent. curry needed everything from his teammates because he had a few shitty games and was still able to win playing horrible at times. so nahh

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1987 ain't gonna like that.

Good way of phrasing it.

kerr said they rotated 4 elite defenders on him and they still couldnt stop him


said they rotated dray kd klay and iggy




holy shit lebron is the GOAT :oldlol:

[Axe]

nothing stood out in the finals for curry. he didn't seem special or anything. he beat a team that lebron manhandled himself with lesser talent. curry needed everything from his teammates because he had a few shitty games and was still able to win playing horrible at times. so nahh
True. He just had a game in the finals where he wasn't even able to nail a three at all, which broke his streak of making at least one since 2018. Yet his team still won the game.

With oubre jr., bazemore and wiseman that saw them ending up with 39 wins in the rs and initially got the 8th seed, he wasn't able to lead his team to a single win in the 2021 play ins aka losers bracket while some guys from the main core like klay and iggy were also missing last season.