3ball - you need a quick lesson and a few reminders

[red1]

Pippen's bulls won 55-games without Michael.

The bulls were a 50-win team without Mike playing a single game.

Pippen's bulls went to game 7 of the second round of the eastern conference finals without MJ.

Jordan never played a single team better than the Malone and Stockton Jazz. Go look at both rosters and compare them.

What is the best team that Jordan ever beat? An injured and aging lakers roster in 91?

Jordan's teammates always had perfect health in every series.

I repeat - Jordan played ON the 70-win team. Never played against a single team as good the popovich spurs or the kerr warriors. They were capable of winning 50+ games without him.



Most overrated 6 rings of all time if we use your logic 3ball. Jordan's career wasn't shit. Who did he beat?

[red1]

Reminder - the most qualified man on earth to speak on the subject says lebron and mike is a complete toss-up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG8wjJNdf4&t=5s

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[red1]

reminder lebron scalped the spurs and is the only player to win a finals MVP over popovich preventing that perfect 6/6 record

reminder lebron scalped the warriors and is the only player in NBA history to win a finals MVP over a 70-win team

reminder lebron is the GOAT at driving to the rim and even his biggest hater Skip says he has the highest IQ and is the best playmaker in the league



reminder - 4 finals MVPs.

[Shooter]

Excellent. And don't forget

Playoff Records
• Points, LBJ, 1st
• Steals, LBJ, 1st
• Game winners, LBJ, 1st
• Elim. game ppg, LBJ, 1st
• Triple Doubles, LBJ, 2nd
• Finals Triple-Doubles, LBJ, 1st
• Most 30 pt games, LBJ, 1st
• FMVPs, LBJ, 2nd
• VORP, LBJ, 1st
• Finals, LBJ, 2nd
• Led all in pts, rebs, ast for series, LBJ, 1st
• Assists, LBJ, 2nd
• Offensive WS, LBJ, 1st
• Defensive Win Shares, LBJ, 2nd
• Total Win Shares, LBJ, 1st
• Highest PER thru Finals, LBJ, 1st
• Most 30 PER thru Finals, LBJ, 1st

[3ba11]

Jordan beat 6 Finals teams while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load)

Lebron beat 4 Finals teams without facing maximum defensive attention (didn't carry the scoring load)

So Jordan won more while facing a tougher path

And 55 wins in 94' was the placebo effect of being defending 3-peat champs... Once the no pressure/honeymoon period and 3-peat luster ended in the 94' Playoffs, the REAL bulls without MJ were lottery in 95' until he returned to restore 3-peat caliber

[red1]

Jordan beat 6 Finals teams while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load)

Lebron beat 4 Finals teams without facing maximum defensive attention (didn't carry the scoring load)

So Jordan won more while facing a tougher path

but WHO did he beat though?


and why does his team win 55-games and go to game 7 of the conference semi-finals without him?

[red1]

you need to give ground on something.


pippen cant be the worst player of all-time, but then also lead his team to the playoffs and game 7 of the second round while winning 55-games. all WITHOUT mike.


that doesnt make sense my guy.

[3ba11]

but WHO did he beat though?





Who did he have?

He didn't have a super-team and he didn't face super-teams, but he still faced teams with better-ranked defenses and more scoring options (91' Lakers, 92' Blazers) or he faced teams with more all-stars (93' Suns, 96' Sonics)

And the importance of Jordan defeating maximum defensive attention in the Finals means that he was carrying the scoring load (had no help)






and why does his team win 55-games and go to game 7 of the conference semi-finals without him?


The Bulls would've been swept without the Kukoc miracle and were a 1st Round caliber team

Once the 3-peat luster and no pressure-honeymoon period ended in the 94' Playoffs, the REAL bulls without MJ were lottery in 95' until he returned to restore 3-peat caliber

[Bacchus]

Who did he have?

He didn't have a super-team and he didn't face super-teams, but he still faced teams with better-ranked defenses and more scoring options (91' Lakers, 92' Blazers) or he faced teams with more all-stars (93' Suns, 96' Sonics)

And the importance of Jordan defeating maximum defensive attention in the Finals means that he was carrying the scoring load (had no help)






The Bulls would've been swept without the Kukoc miracle and were a 1st Round caliber team

Once the 3-peat luster and no pressure-honeymoon period ended in the 94' Playoffs, the REAL bulls without MJ were lottery in 95' until he returned to restore 3-peat caliber


Pippen went from winning a title in 1998 to losing in the first round in 1999 playing with two Hall of Famers Hakeem and Barkley. Hakeem and Barkley were in the same draft as Jordan and Pippen got bounced in the first round to the Lakers 3-1

[Bacchus]

Pippen went from winning a title in 1998 to losing in the first round in 1989 playing with two Hall of Fame Hakeem and Barkley. Hakeem and Barkley were in the same draft as Jordan and Pippen got bounced in the first round to the Lakers 3-1

Jordan also has two more wins in the finals than Lebron while playing 20 less games.

Lebron's finals record - 22-33

Jordan's finals record 24-11

[Bacchus]

Hakeem has more career steals than Lebron while playing 128 less games.

[Johnny32]

lol only 2 less wins than with mj i believe. bulls literally replaced mj with a "soft" euro and pete myers and didn't skip a beat. until of course the league stepped in to protect golden boys legacy and rigged the nyk series.

[Johnny32]

Pippen went from winning a title in 1998 to losing in the first round in 1999 playing with two Hall of Famers Hakeem and Barkley. Hakeem and Barkley were in the same draft as Jordan and Pippen got bounced in the first round to the Lakers 3-1

wtf does being in the same draft class as mj have to do with anything, tardboy? hakeem avg 13 ppg on 42% in that lakers series. he was done. never made an all star or all nba team again.

[3ba11]

rigged the nyk series.


How can they force Pippen to sit out/choke and how can they make Kukoc hit the miracle to avoid sweep?

The Bulls fell from 3-peat caliber to 2nd Round caliber and then lottery in 95'

People don't realize that 1st options are supposed to BUILD a team every year - even a young Kyrie Irving made the Cavs just attractive enough for Lebron to return in 2015... Otoh, Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to lottery in less than 18 months. MJ literally had to swoop in like a condor and restore 3-peat caliber - he lifted a lottery team to 3-peat caliber with his return in 95'

[r15mohd]

3ball - did you really create another ISH name (bacchus) to help support your idiocy?

lol you dont even let the alt names ease into their own for some sort of camouflage, they come to the rescue with all the same rhetoric we've seen on ISH for the past decade :facepalm

[Phoenix]

The long and short of it is, with 3autobot™ any opinion that's pro-Lebron is steeped in agenda. The ones that favor Jordan he throws around like gospel. He's not interested in giving ground on anything because he's not interested in a dialogue....he's vested in talking at you and spinning in place 1000 times at anything that counters his own inked-in opinions. For all purposes you may as well be arguing with an A.I program where you say something and get pre-programmed response, and anything outside that gets a '404 not found'.