Steph has the greatest impact to his team vs the other goats in NBA history

[hold this L]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zxq70PjnC8&ab_channel=JxmyHighroller

9:28

Steph averages around 26+ wins to his team per season. Absolutely legendary shit from the goat shooter. The guy that is a Wilt fan, I'd suggest you probably look away. :( Lebron played with some real bad teams early on in his career, so I'm not surprised by that %.

https://data.zouqicq.com/images/news/220617/u536hg4p4w.gif

[1987_Lakers]

Wilt is super low on that list, lol. But how do they come up with these numbers?

Kobe is also ahead of Shaq in that stat, but from 2000-2004, the Lakers had a much worse record when Shaq missed games compared to when Kobe missed games. Shaq was for sure more valuable than Kobe.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lmao, I actually just watched that video today too :lol

I also wonder how they came up with those figures, did they strictly use the teams W-L record with and without said player?

[1987_Lakers]

Lakers record without Kobe from 2000-2004: 33-16 (67 win%)
Lakers record without Kobe from 2008-2013: 14-7 (67 win%)

During those years, the Lakers had a winning percentage of around 70% I assume. Him adding 21.5% more wins to a team seems way off.

[warriorfan]

King Dingo

[1987_Lakers]

On a side note, I can see why Russell is that high and why Wilt is on the lower end. Celtics became a losing team in 1970 after Russell retired.

Wilt was getting crazy numbers early in his career, but it didn't translate to wins. Lakers were already a championship caliber team before he joined.

The Sixers were 22-23 before they traded for Wilt in the middle of the '65 season and only 18-17 with him to finish the year. That is pretty crazy.

[hold this L]

Lakers record without Kobe from 2000-2004: 33-16 (67 win%)
Lakers record without Kobe from 2008-2013: 14-7 (67 win%)

During those years, the Lakers had a winning percentage of around 70% I assume. Him adding 21.5% more wins to a team seems way off.

I'm guessing this is related to the entire career, not just the Kobe-Shaq era.

Lmao, I actually just watched that video today too :lol

I also wonder how they came up with those figures, did they strictly use the teams W-L record with and without said player?
Doesn't specify but that's how I understood it.

[Spurs m8]

Bulls with MJ - 6 chips

Bulls without - 0 chips

[1987_Lakers]

I'm guessing this is related to the entire career, not just the Kobe-Shaq era.

Doesn't specify but that's how I understood it.

I listed more seasons that don't include the Shaq-Kobe era. :lol

You can even go to 2005 where he missed a good chunk of games.

With Kobe: 42 win%
Without him: 38 win%

for sure not a 21.5% difference like the video says.

[hold this L]

I listed more seasons that don't include the Shaq-Kobe era. :lol

You can even go to 2005 where he missed a good chunk of games.

With Kobe: 42 win%
Without him: 38 win%

for sure not a 21.5% difference like the video says.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lakers-record-with-kobe-bryant
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lakers-record-without-kobe-bryant

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lakers-record-with-kobe-bryant
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lakers-record-without-kobe-bryant

I'm sure them being 25-51 without him in 2014 and 11-36 without him in 2015 inflated the stats. I'm not counting those years, no way post achilles Kobe is adding anything to those teams if he played the entire year in those seasons.

Context matters.

[1987_Lakers]

Now this is way more accurate. Only including his prime years from 2000-2013.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=lakers+record+with+kobe+from+1999-00+to+2012-13
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=lakers+record+without+kobe+from+1999-00+to+2012-13

65 win% with Kobe
60 win% without him

[TheGoatest]

He is behind LeGOATest as well Larry Bird in this category, but definitely ahead of jordon.

LeGOATest's impact will never be duplicated:

Cavs record in the 6 games he missed in the 2015-16 season against random regular season teams: 1-5
Cavs record in the 7 games he played in the 2016 NBA finals against a 73-9 team: 4-3

What a friggin beast of a GOAT. :eek: :applause:

[tpols]

According to that chart @ 9:28 the GOAT list is:

Curry
LeBron
Jordan
Bird
Russell
Kobe
Magic
Shaq
Duncan
Kareem
Wilt

For how much people have trolled Kobe with saying hes not top 10 the advanced impact metrics show he was better than Shaq, Kareem, Wilt etc.

And they say Curry is the GOAT.

[Im Still Ballin]

JxmyHighroller is sloppy with his videos. Stats often lack context and are used incorrectly to create false narratives.

[coastalmarker99]

The golden state Warriors have a 9 and 3 record when Curry is out in the playoffs.


While Wilt's teams would have got destroyed if he was out due to injury in the playoffs.


Down 3-1 against the Suns in 1970


Wilt coming off a serious knee injury at age 33 put together a ridiculous stretch from Game 5 to 7 to save the Lakers.

As here are his stats.

Game 5: 36 points, 14 rebounds, 3 assists, 10 blocks
Game 6: 12 points, 26 rebounds, 11 assists, 11 blocks
Game 7: 30 points, 17 rebounds, 6 assists, 11 blocks

Sweet mother of god.

That's three consecutive triple-doubles including a quadruple-double.


Just straight dominance on both ends of the floor...

[coastalmarker99]

It's insane to think Curry has the Goat impact when his teams win almost all the time without him in the playoffs.


Can you imagine any of Lebron's teams being able to win playoff series with him being injured in the playoffs?

I think not.


As Kyrie and Love were basically useless without Lebron carrying them.


As they posted a 4 and 23 record without Lebron.

[coastalmarker99]

Lebron was basically a one-man dynasty from 2011 to 2018


The Cavs were basically helpless without him as they were 4 and 23 with Kyrie and Love when Lebron didn't play.


And here are the Cavs with LeBron on court and off court per 100 possessions:

Regular season

2015: +10.9 on, -5.8 off, +16.7 on-off

2016: +11.4 on, -4.7 off, +16.1 on-off

2017: +8.3 on, -8.8 off, +17.1 on-off

Playoffs:

2015: +4.3 ON, +.8 OFF, +3.5 ON-OFF

2016: +13.4 ON, -6.4 OFF, +20.0 ON-OFF

2017: +13.0 ON, -19.2 OFF, +32.2 ON-OFF


As for the Heat check out the offensive performance of those so-called super teams without Lebron on the court.

2011: 111.5 on, 104.0 off, +7.5 on-off

2012: 108.6 on, 94.4 off, +14.2 on-off

2013: 114.2 on, 100.7 off, +13.5 on-off

2014: 113.2 on, 101.2 off, +12.0 on-off

[hold this L]

The golden state Warriors have a 9 and 3 record when Curry is out in the playoffs.


While Wilt's teams would have got destroyed if he was out due to injury in the playoffs.


Down 3-1 against the Suns in 1970


Wilt coming off a serious knee injury at age 33 put together a ridiculous stretch from Game 5 to 7 to save the Lakers.

As here are his stats.

Game 5: 36 points, 14 rebounds, 3 assists, 10 blocks
Game 6: 12 points, 26 rebounds, 11 assists, 11 blocks
Game 7: 30 points, 17 rebounds, 6 assists, 11 blocks

Sweet mother of god.

That's three consecutive triple-doubles including a quadruple-double.


Just straight dominance on both ends of the floor...

https://media2.giphy.com/media/ZdCeW1IjGrfXCqmINg/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611ac0f246e998e003ccf14e773f3d6 9c4db764f1eb&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

We're talking about facts, not feelings. Do not compare Wilting-away to Curry. Curry literally has 5 times the impact to winning when he plays/doesn't play compared to Wilting-away. The fact that Wilt is so far behind every single one of these guys and the only one that isn't in the double digits shows what a stat padding merchant he is. But forget what I say, Broussard put this better than anyone ever has before and cemented why Wilting-away shouldn't be in any top 10 conversations. I didn't even know this, 4 points in 48 minutes? Even Draymond can do that.


https://youtu.be/dkJTBPeTFL4?t=235

3:55

[coastalmarker99]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/ZdCeW1IjGrfXCqmINg/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611ac0f246e998e003ccf14e773f3d6 9c4db764f1eb&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

We're talking about facts, not feelings. Do not compare Wilting-away to Curry. Curry literally has 5 times the impact to winning when he plays/doesn't play compared to Wilting-away. The fact that Wilt is so far behind every single one of these guys and the only one that isn't in the double digits shows what a stat padding merchant he is. But forget what I say, Broussard put this better than anyone ever has before and cemented why Wilting-away shouldn't be in any top 10 conversations.


https://youtu.be/dkJTBPeTFL4?t=235

3:55


Wilt basically destroys Curry in individual accolades and in terms of being a playoff performer when you factor in two way dominance

As 4 MVPs beats 2 MVP

2 finals MVPs beats 1.

7 first team's beats 4

7 scoring titles beats 2.

1 assist title beats 0


Also Wilt stepped it up in the big games and is undoubtedly up there with Jordan & LeBron when facing elimination:

As he averaged

36.8/26.6/2 on the Warriors, 30/31.5/3 on the 76ers, and 26.4/22.6/5 as the aging and the low-volume defensive anchor on the Lakers.


While in-game sevens.

Here are Wilt's game seven averages

4- 5 W-L record


24.4 ppg (Regular season career average was 30.1 ppg)

26.7 rpg(Regular season career average was 22.9 rpg)

4.1 APG(Regular season career average was 4.4 APG)

62.6 FG%,(Regular season career average was .54.0 FG%)

45.1 FT%(Regular season career average was .51.1 FT%)

57.9 TS%.Regular season career average was 54.9 TS%)

[hold this L]

Wilt basically destroys Curry in individual accolades and in terms of being a playoff performer.

As 4 MVPs beats 2 MVP

2 finals MVPs beats 1.

7 first team's beats 4

7 scoring titles beats 2.


Also Wilt stepped it up in the big games and is undoubtedly up there with Jordan & LeBron when facing elimination:

As he averaged

36.8/26.6/2 on the Warriors, 30/31.5/3 on the 76ers, and 26.4/22.6/5 as the aging and the low-volume defensive anchor on the Lakers.


While in-game sevens.

Here are Wilt's game seven averages

4- 5 W-L record


24.4 ppg (Regular season career average was 30.1 ppg)

26.7 rpg(Regular season career average was 22.9 rpg)

4.1 APG(Regular season career average was 4.4 APG)

62.6 FG%,(Regular season career average was .54.0 FG%)

45.1 FT%(Regular season career average was .51.1 FT%)

57.9 TS%.Regular season career average was 54.9 TS%)

This feels like when I'm talking to a girl that's losing the argument and she changes the argument. You haven't addressed the points above. Why is Wilt's win % so disgustingly low compared to every all time great when he plays/doesn't play relative to the team winning? How is the most dominant scoring player ever who regularly averaged 30, 40+ etc. score 4 points, 5, 7, 8 points in NBA finals when he averaged a whopping 48 minutes per game? Why do his numbers most of the time fall off a cliff when he isn't playing a center that's doing his plumbing after the game?

We're not doing something where you just decide to change the topic and cherry pick statistics. Answer my points or don't bother responding.

[Sulico]

Lebron was basically a one-man dynasty from 2011 to 2018


The Cavs were basically helpless without him as they were 4 and 23 with Kyrie and Love when Lebron didn't play.


And here are the Cavs with LeBron on court and off court per 100 possessions:

Regular season

2015: +10.9 on, -5.8 off, +16.7 on-off

2016: +11.4 on, -4.7 off, +16.1 on-off

2017: +8.3 on, -8.8 off, +17.1 on-off

Playoffs:

2015: +4.3 ON, +.8 OFF, +3.5 ON-OFF

2016: +13.4 ON, -6.4 OFF, +20.0 ON-OFF

2017: +13.0 ON, -19.2 OFF, +32.2 ON-OFF


As for the Heat check out the offensive performance of those so-called super teams without Lebron on the court.

2011: 111.5 on, 104.0 off, +7.5 on-off

2012: 108.6 on, 94.4 off, +14.2 on-off

2013: 114.2 on, 100.7 off, +13.5 on-off

2014: 113.2 on, 101.2 off, +12.0 on-off

Yup, that's amazing!

You know what's more amazing? Curry have better on/off than Lebron. In RS or playoffs.

[coastalmarker99]

This feels like when I'm talking to a girl that's losing the argument and she changes the argument. You haven't addressed the points above. Why is Wilt's win % so disgustingly low compared to every all time great when he plays/doesn't play relative to the team winning? How is the most dominant scoring player ever who regularly averaged 30, 40+ etc. score 4 points, 5, 7, 8 points in NBA finals when he averaged a whopping 48 minutes per game? Why do his numbers most of the time fall off a cliff when he isn't playing a center that's doing his plumbing after the game?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCb-i8XpaQ

1964 is Wilt's only NBA Finals series that his team had him looking to score when they fed him in the post.


He attempted 24 shots per game during that series as opposed to only 11.7 shots per game average for the rest of his NBA finals career (30 additional games).

This has to lead many to see his 18.6 finals ppg and conclude he must have not been as capable as his regular-season career number indicates.

But it’s actually because his role changed so much and he played far more finals (relative to his regular-season career) in a fewer shot attempt role.


This is weighted as such because he had more Finals appearances late in his career vs those early years where he was blowing up PPG records.

[coastalmarker99]

This feels like when I'm talking to a girl that's losing the argument and she changes the argument. You haven't addressed the points above. Why is Wilt's win % so disgustingly low compared to every all time great when he plays/doesn't play relative to the team winning? How is the most dominant scoring player ever who regularly averaged 30, 40+ etc. score 4 points, 5, 7, 8 points in NBA finals when he averaged a whopping 48 minutes per game? Why do his numbers most of the time fall off a cliff when he isn't playing a center that's doing his plumbing after the game?

We're not doing something where you just decide to change the topic and cherry pick statistics. Answer my points or don't bother responding.

Anyone wondering about Wilt's drop-off in career average points from the regular season to the playoffs (30.1 to 22.5) should know that.

When Wilt was the main shot taker on his team he put up 39.6 season PPG and 32.9 playoff PPG in his first seven years.

While going up against Goat level defences every single season.



Also during his Warrior seasons from 1960 to 1964 he averaged over 37 PPG in the playoffs against Non-celtic opponents

[TheGoatest]

What is Curry's best ranking in any individual accolades whatsoever?

MVPs: 2
Finals MVPs: 1
DPOYs: 0
All-NBA 1st teams: 4
All-NBA 2nd teams: 3
All-NBA 3rd teams: 1
All-defensive 1st teams: 0
All-defensive 2nd teams: 0
All-star appearances: 8

Regular season MVPs are probably his highest ranking, where he is tied with Steve Nash. Finals MVPs? Tied with Cedric Maxwell and Jo Jo White. Fewer all-NBA 1st teams than Dwight Howard. He's nowhere when it comes to individual accolades. All he has is subjective, narrative-based "he changed the game" conjecture. Because of his 3 point record. Which is probably the most likely total record to get broken anyway.

And he really didn't "change the game" that way. 3 pointers were becoming the staple of certain teams long before he entered the league. Remember the mid-2000s Phoenix Suns, or Stan Van Gundy's "either 3 pointers or layups/dunks" philosophy from the late 2000s Orlando Magic. He came in the league at the right time. You really think that he would be averaging 8-12 3 point attempts per game if he played in the 80s? That was twice as much as entire teams averaged. :oldlol:

[coastalmarker99]

Wilt Chamberlain (1960-68):

RS: 46.8 mpg, 24.7 rpg, 4.5 apg, 36.0 ppg on 52.7% FG, 52.1% FT and 53.8% TS (+5.50% rTS)

Against Bad Defenses (10.0% of playoffs games): -- mpg, 23.1 rpg, 8.6 apg, 27.9 ppg on 55.1% FG, 46.4% FT, 54.7% TS (+6.07 rTS%)

Against Average Defenses (23.75% of playoffs games): 48.0 mpg, 23.4 rpg, 4.1 apg, 34.2 ppg on 53.4% FG, 44.2% FT, 52.9% TS (+4.58 rTS%)

Against Good Defenses (13.75% of playoffs games): 47.9 mpg, 27.5 rpg, 5.3 apg, 26.5 ppg on 49.6% FG, 45.0% FT, 49.9% TS (+1.23 rTS%)

Against Elite Defenses (28.75% of playoffs games): 47.3 mpg, 28.4 rpg, 5.4 apg, 25.5 ppg on 50.8% FG, 45.6% FT, 51.0% TS (+2.47 rTS%)

Against All-Time Great Defenses (23.75% of playoffs games): 47.7 mpg, 28.7 rpg, 2.9 apg, 31.2 ppg on 50.9% FG, 56.8% FT, 53.4% TS (+5.30 rTS%)



A big reason Wilt wasn't averaging over 40 PPG in the playoffs points is because he went from playing against awful-to-average defences for most of the regular season to all-time goat-level defences led by the Goat defender himself for an entire series in the 1st-2nd rounds.


despite that Wilt's production is still better than Steph's especially when you factor in defence.

[coastalmarker99]

People should know this about Wilt.

16 PPG Lakers in 80 games/53%

25 PPG 76ers in 44 Games/54%

34.7 PPG Warrior's 36games/50%

Wilt Warriors playoff average is still the league record among all 30 franchise leaders in Playoff PPG, that includes Jordan Bulls as well.

It should be noted that Wilt's warrior teams were terrible offensively.

As in case in point during the 1961 playoffs vs the Nationals.

In game one, Wilt went off for 46 points and 32 rebounds. He shot 49% from the field. The rest of his team shot 29%.

Game two was similar. Wilt went for 32 points on 46% shooting. The rest of the Warriors shot 36%.

Game three? Same thing. Wilt shot 45% from the floor to put up 33 points and 23 rebounds.

Paul Arizin, who up until that point had a terrible series, finally put together a decent game, going 11-24 from the field.

The rest of the team combined for 30% shooting.

Notice the pattern in the playoffs.

Wilt was quite consistent and shot incredibly well.


While the rest of the Warriors couldn't throw it in the ocean.

I think that might have had something to do with him only him having 2 rings.

As most teams in the playoffs figured out that they could double and triple-team Wilt because nobody else on his teams could shoot a lick

Wilt's FG% and his teammate's FG% in his first 5 PO series against the Celtics:

Year WC team Mates

1960 .50.0 .37.5

1962 .46.8 .35.4

1964 .51.7 .34.8

1965 .55.5 .38.2

1966 .50.9 .35.2

[coastalmarker99]

I love how Broussard focuses on Wilt's low scoring in the finals without bringing up how dominant of a rebounder and shot-blocker plus playmaker he was in those finals.

Like, take for instance the 1972 finals.

As here are Wilt's stat lines in those finals.

GAME 1 12 PTS 19 REBS 0 BLKS

GAME 2 23 PTS 24 REBS 4 ASTS 8 BLKS

GAME 3 26 PTS 20 REBS 9 BLKS

GAME 4 12 PTS 24 REBS 12 BLKS

GAME 5 24 PTS 29 REBS 4 ASTS 8 BLKS

NBA FINALS AVERAGE 19.4 PTS 23.3 REBS 7.4 BLKS



As for 1970, he had the only 20-20 .60.0 Finals in NBA history (a 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, .62.5 seven-game series in the '70 Finals despite coming off a serious knee injury that caused him to miss over 70 games that season.



While in the 1967 finals

Wilt in the first two games of the 1967 Finals averaged:

13.0 PPG
35.5 RPG
10.0 APG
9.5 BPG



And for the entire series he averaged


17.7 PPG (12.5 FGA)
28.5 RPG
6.8 APG
56% FG%
10 BPG

Wilt’s 6.8 APG also stands as the record for highest APG by a Center in the Finals.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Didn't watch the video but its a hilarious narrative.

Curry is literally the most overrated athlete of all time and it's not even close.

They've won because of luck/talent... curry is just a bus rider.. the luckiest bus rider ever

[999Guy]

Shows the real value of a title. The simple acclaim from winning a championship isn’t enough. Have to create retarded narratives that really would’ve never survived a finals loss.

Either way, this title is a massive deal to dummies and fans who want it to be, Curry stan or not, but Curry was just another elite player of the 10’s and early 20’s when it really comes down to it. Harden/LeBron/Kawhi/Jokic/Paul all matched or topped his highs in different ways. Whether it be playoff resilience, two-way play, crazy playoff peaks(LeBron, Davis, Kawhi) consistency or just being a better player outright(Jokic).

Curry just had consistently better support in general. Good for him. Bad for stans.


Draymond is really just as unique. Even though, finally, he isn’t as good as Curry anymore. But from 15-21, Draymond was as good as Curry. Reaching even higher highs than he ever did when playing Center early on.

He should at the very least get Pippen level talk. Though he’s better than that overall.

Curry/Draymond was bizarro Magic/Kareem or West/Wilt. Not some Star/role player shit at all. Where does he come into a stans fantasies?

[hold this L]

Shows the real value of a title. The simple acclaim from winning a championship isn’t enough. Have to create retarded narratives that really would’ve never survived a finals loss.

Either way, this title is a massive deal to dummies and fans who want it to be, Curry stan or not, but Curry was just another elite player of the 10’s and early 20’s when it really comes down to it. Harden/LeBron/Kawhi/Jokic/Paul all matched or topped his highs in different ways. Whether it be playoff resilience, two-way play, crazy playoff peaks(LeBron, Davis, Kawhi) consistency or just being a better player outright(Jokic).

Curry just had consistently better support in general. Good for him. Bad for Stan’s.

Except the video proves literally the opposite of that, you mouth breathing moron.

[coastalmarker99]

Steph Curry names his top 5 players all-time (Jordan, Wilt, Lebron, Shaq, Magic)

https://streamable.com/zplf39

Even Curry would admit that he isn't greater than Wilt.

[RRR3]

Shows the real value of a title. The simple acclaim from winning a championship isn’t enough. Have to create retarded narratives that really would’ve never survived a finals loss.

Either way, this title is a massive deal to dummies and fans who want it to be, Curry stan or not, but Curry was just another elite player of the 10’s and early 20’s when it really comes down to it. Harden/LeBron/Kawhi/Jokic/Paul all matched or topped his highs in different ways. Whether it be playoff resilience, two-way play, crazy playoff peaks(LeBron, Davis, Kawhi) consistency or just being a better player outright(Jokic).

Curry just had consistently better support in general. Good for him. Bad for stans.


Draymond is really just as unique. Even though, finally, he isn’t as good as Curry anymore. But from 15-21, Draymond was as good as Curry. Reaching even higher highs than he ever did when playing Center early on.

He should at the very least get Pippen level talk. Though he’s better than that overall.

Curry/Draymond was bizarro Magic/Kareem or West/Wilt. Not some Star/role player shit at all. Where does he come into a stans fantasies?
You have the intelligence of a spoon.

[999Guy]

It's insane to think Curry has the Goat impact when his teams win almost all the time without him in the playoffs.


Can you imagine any of Lebron's teams being able to win playoff series with him being injured in the playoffs?

I think not.


As Kyrie and Love were basically useless without Lebron carrying them.


As they posted a 4 and 23 record without Lebron.

You suck at logic usually but it really goes to show something when even you can kill the OP’s argument by simple W/L.

And you’re right by the way. Again. A title isn’t enough though. Cause this title FEELS so special for fans and Stan’s. But it’s not. Old-ass Curry/Dray beat who? The ****ing Tatum Celtics? While having unreal role players this year. Probably their best cast since 2017 or 2018.

The era is getting and old and thinned out. The Warriors just got younger and buffed up. That’s really all this is.

[999Guy]

You have the intelligence of a spoon.

And sadly for you, you have the intelligence of the glimmer off a shiny spoon because you have no shot at ever logically making me feel like I’m as dumb as a spoon and we both know that.

[hold this L]

You have the intelligence of a spoon.

I missed that entire post. Jesus Christ :lol

[999Guy]

Except the video proves literally the opposite of that, you mouth breathing moron.

Out of the striking level of emotion you just brought, I just watched this shitty video to see what in the **** would make you feel like this. And did you just say a video of some white guy with talking with a voice like he’s trying to sell coors light and a ****ing montage of slow motion layups is proof of anything?

You have such low standards anything you believe. It’s pathetic. Now I’m emotional. I was just having fun with how dumb this whole thread and you were.

But you actually emotionally invested into basically a paid programming level stan video that only exists to take advantage of the hype from dumb****s like you and get easy views.

Somebody should slow-motion slap you for this.

[coastalmarker99]

no, you should be slapped for saying Green was as good as Curry.

As when Curry missed an entire season due to injury Green looked like a complete bum.

Plus Draymond Green record when Steph is out 28-59

It’s pretty remarkable how much better he is offensively playing with Steph.

[hold this L]

Out of the striking level of emotion you just brought, I just watched this shitty video to see what in the **** would make you feel like this. And did you just say a video of some white guy with talking with a voice like he’s trying to sell coors light and a ****ing montage of slow motion layups is proof of anything?

You have such low standards anything you believe. It’s pathetic. Now I’m emotional. I was just having fun with how dumb this whole thread and you were.

But you actually emotionally invested into basically a paid programming level stan video that only exists to take advantage of the hype from dumb****s like you and get easy views.

Somebody should slow-motion slap you for this.
You said nothing of value here. Just sounding like an emotional fool punching at air. If Steph Curry had such stacked rosters throughout his career, there wouldn't be a 32% win+ ratio when he plays vs when he doesn't. That's a fact. You can write a bunch of sentences that don't state.. anything of value like you just did. It doesn't change his impact. Now am I being serious that Steph is the actual goat for this? Obviously not, but his impact on his team is legendary whether some goofy cornball like yourself on a message board wants to accept it. And you should be bitch slapped in the face for saying Green is as good as Curry for half a decade, even if you're trolling. That's how dumb that statement is. :facepalm

[Big164]

[video=youtube;4zxq70PjnC8]

Steph averages around 26+ wins to his team per season. Absolutely legendary shit from the goat shooter. The guy that is a Wilt fan, I'd suggest you probably look away. :( Lebron played with some real bad teams early on in his career, so I'm not surprised by that %.


Steph, like Chamberlain will be remembered 60 years after is his prime! That is the true Mark of a ��.

[999Guy]

You said nothing of value here. Just sounding like an emotional fool punching at air. If Steph Curry had such stacked rosters throughout his career, there wouldn't be a 32% win+ ratio when he plays vs when he doesn't. That's a fact. You can write a bunch of sentences that don't state.. anything of value like you just did. It doesn't change his impact. Now am I being serious that Steph is the actual goat for this? Obviously not, but his impact on his team is legendary whether some goofy cornball like yourself on a message board wants to accept it. And you should be bitch slapped in the face for saying Green is as good as Curry for half a decade, even if you're trolling. That's how dumb that statement is. :facepalm

Lol. The ol’ sat what I just said but differently. You just literally said what I said about your emotional take on this, and the fact that you should be slapped for thinking a win ratio% is a ****ing stat you should give a **** about when there’s way better indicators and realities to consider.

Which by the way, in essence sounds way too arbitrary and specific of a stat, I guarantee it’s not as simple a record with/without. And now that I’m thinking about it, that ****ing disaster 2020 season where he would’ve taken many losses would count in this. Horseshit stat from a horseshit dude believed by dummies like yourself.

And even your disagreeing about how good Draymond is in relation to Curry is emotional **** shit. We won’t have a philosophical debate about how high defense scales up, the fact that Draymond is a far more complete defensive player than Curry is an offensive players i.e. Draymond has had WAY WAY less shitty defensive series than Curry has had shitty offensive series.

Matter of fact I can’t think of a series Draymond got schemed out of defensively. And his passing never goes away unlike the volatility of Curry’s shooting. And his scoring was legitimately good from 15-17 on TOP of this. Draymond was a godly player in his true prime.

Like, your point of view is pathetic and desperate. You don’t even believe the shit you say, backpedaling on this shitty stat because you just FEEL some shit first and then make up a sentence for that shitty feeling of love for Stephen grown ass man Curry. Pitiful.

But we’re not fueled by the same shit. I love basketball. Really love it for what it is. And I like logic and use my emotion for the game to fuel my logic to see what’s going on.

You just…..ugh. Love Curry? and then that fuels horseshit.

[hold this L]

Lol. The ol’ sat what I just said but differently. You just literally said what I said about your emotional take on this, and the fact that you should be slapped for thinking a win ratio% is a ****ing stat you should give a **** about when there’s way better indicators and realities to consider.

Which by the way, in essence sounds way too arbitrary and specific of a stat, I guarantee it’s not as simple a record with/without. And now that I’m thinking about it, that ****ing disaster 2020 season where he would’ve taken many losses would count in this. Horseshit stat from a horseshit dude believed by dummies like yourself.

And even your disagreeing about how good Draymond is in relation to Curry is emotional **** shit. We won’t have a philosophical debate about how high defense scales up, the fact that Draymond is a far more complete defensive player than Curry is an offensive players i.e. Draymond has had WAY WAY less shitty defensive series than Curry has had shitty offensive series.

Matter of fact I can’t think of a series Draymond got schemed out of defensively. And his passing never goes away unlike the volatility of Curry’s shooting. And his scoring was legitimately good from 15-17 on TOP of this. Draymond was a godly player in his true prime.

Like, your point of view is pathetic and desperate. You don’t even believe the shit you say, backpedaling on this shitty stat because you just FEEL some shit first and then make up a sentence for that shitty feeling of love for Stephen grown ass man Curry. Pitiful.

But we’re not fueled by the same shit. I love basketball. Really love it for what it is. And I like logic and use my emotion for the game to fuel my logic to see what’s going on.

You just…..ugh. Love Curry? and then that fuels horseshit.
Warriors for 3 years with Steph on and KD off had a 30% higher win rate than the other way around, it doesn't needto take 2020 into account. There's proof everywhere with his impact. Only reason it's arbitrary if because you don't like the end result. There's no argument about whether Dray and Steph are the same level. Only a dumb cvnt would write something that stupid and try to debate it.

[red1]

Lebron was basically a one-man dynasty from 2011 to 2018


The Cavs were basically helpless without him as they were 4 and 23 with Kyrie and Love when Lebron didn't play.


And here are the Cavs with LeBron on court and off court per 100 possessions:

Regular season

2015: +10.9 on, -5.8 off, +16.7 on-off

2016: +11.4 on, -4.7 off, +16.1 on-off

2017: +8.3 on, -8.8 off, +17.1 on-off

Playoffs:

2015: +4.3 ON, +.8 OFF, +3.5 ON-OFF

2016: +13.4 ON, -6.4 OFF, +20.0 ON-OFF

2017: +13.0 ON, -19.2 OFF, +32.2 ON-OFF


As for the Heat check out the offensive performance of those so-called super teams without Lebron on the court.

2011: 111.5 on, 104.0 off, +7.5 on-off

2012: 108.6 on, 94.4 off, +14.2 on-off

2013: 114.2 on, 100.7 off, +13.5 on-off

2014: 113.2 on, 101.2 off, +12.0 on-off

what an incredible post - holy shit



1-man ****ing dynasty

[Axe]

You said nothing of value here. Just sounding like an emotional fool punching at air. If Steph Curry had such stacked rosters throughout his career, there wouldn't be a 32% win+ ratio when he plays vs when he doesn't. That's a fact. You can write a bunch of sentences that don't state.. anything of value like you just did. It doesn't change his impact. Now am I being serious that Steph is the actual goat for this? Obviously not, but his impact on his team is legendary whether some goofy cornball like yourself on a message board wants to accept it. And you should be bitch slapped in the face for saying Green is as good as Curry for half a decade, even if you're trolling. That's how dumb that statement is. :facepalm
Duh, what do you expect? The chuck-3s & moving screen combo system is mostly catered to him compared to the rest of the players in his roster. So it isn't surprising to see the others become mere screensetters too.

[Johnny32]

if they used w/l inflated due to the tanking season in 2020 with klay also out. dude took a knee 5 games into a 1-4 season.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

I surprised Timmy is that low but I think that's mostly because it's much harder for Bigs to be as impactful as perimeter players because they usually do not initiate the offense.