Magic/Lebron can't carry the scoring load in the Finals - need 1st options at sidekik

[3ba11]

They can't defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals) because they aren't good enough scorers.

Specifically, their brand of ball isn't sufficient to beat good teams while carrying the scoring load, so they need 1st options at sidekick and cannot win with true 2nd options like Wiggins or Pippen

Otoh, off-ball guys like Curry, MJ, Bird or Kobe are goat scorers - they can carry the scoring load with a good brand of ball that can beat top teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen

[Shooter]

So you've said

[SouBeachTalents]

So you've said
40,000 times.

[3ba11]

So you've said


It's the historical record that Lebron/Magic need 1st options at sidekick and never won with true 2nd options like Klay, Pippen or Wiggins

[3ba11]

Lebron and Magic's brand of ball isn't sufficient to beat good teams while carrying the scoring load, so they need 1st options at sidekick and can't win with true 2nd options like Wiggins or Pippen

They simply aren't good enough scorers to carry the scoring load while maintaining a good brand of ball (too ball-dominant), so they need all-time scorers at sidekick to lessen the burden

[Hey Yo]

When Kyrie was first option for Cleveland, he led them to the fewest wins in the league over a 4yr span.

[3ba11]

When Kyrie was first option for Cleveland, he led them to the fewest wins in the league over a 4yr span.


1st options are supposed to build a team every year - Kyrie improved the Cavs' wins each year so the team was attractive enough for Lebron to return.

Otoh, Pippen was gifted a 3-peat dynasty but destroyed it to lottery in less than 18 months.. The Bulls were lottery in 95' before MJ returned and restored 3-peat caliber

[Hey Yo]

1st options are supposed to build a team every year - Kyrie improved the Cavs' wins each year so the team was attractive enough for Lebron to return.

Otoh, Pippen was gifted a 3-peat dynasty but destroyed it to lottery in less than 18 months.. The Bulls were lottery in 95' before MJ returned and restored 3-peat caliber

So why did Kyrie go 4-23 as first option from 2015-17?

[Wally450]

Seek help.

[3ba11]

Seek help.


Doesn't it seem ridiculous that Curry won with Wiggins and we all know that Lebron can't and needs elite 1st options at sidekick to win?

This phenomenon is easily explained...

Lebron's brand of ball isn't sufficient to beat good teams while carrying the scoring load, so he needs 1st options at sidekick and cannot win with true 2nd options like Wiggins or Pippen

[Hey Yo]

So why did Kyrie go 4-23 as first option from 2015-17?

Another easy slay for me on 3douche

[r15mohd]

Doesn't it seem ridiculous that Curry won with Wiggins and we all know that Lebron can't and needs elite 1st options at sidekick to win?

This phenomenon is easily explained...

Lebron's brand of ball isn't sufficient to beat good teams while carrying the scoring load, so he needs 1st options at sidekick and cannot win with true 2nd options like Wiggins or Pippen


what do you call a player that basically finished top10 in MVP through their prime years?

Pippen MVP place:
91-92: 9th
93-94: 3rd
94-95: 7th
95-96: 5th
96-97: 11th
97-98: 10th


Davis MVP place:
14-15: 5th
16-17: 9th
17-18: 3rd
19-20: 6th

[3ba11]

what do you call a player that basically finished top10 in MVP through their prime years?

Pippen MVP place:
91-92: 9th
93-94: 3rd
94-95: 7th
95-96: 5th
96-97: 11th
97-98: 10th


Davis MVP place:
14-15: 5th
16-17: 9th
17-18: 3rd
19-20: 6th


Similar to Wiggins becoming an all-star and champion, Pippen was inflated by the winning spotlight.. He played at an Iggy or Wiggins level, but the winning spotlight inflated him

In reality, Pippen is the only sidekick that was carried in every series - he was never a leader or co-leader in any series and averaged 10-30 less than MJ in every series - he also had the lowest peak capability of any sidekick (22 ppg)

[Hey Yo]

When did Iggy or Wiggins get named 1st team All-nba on both ends of the court and finished 3rd in MVP voting in the same season as first option?

[3ba11]

When did Iggy or Wiggins get named 1st team All-nba on both ends of the court and finished 3rd in MVP voting in the same season as first option?


Do you know what inflation means in basketball?

It's when a player gets accolades by being on a winning team

That's what happened to Pippen because he played with Jordan from early in his career to shape the perception, while Wiggins is getting a later-career boost

Ultimately, the historical record shows that Pippen never dominated - he played at an Iggy or Wiggins level, but the winning spotlight inflated him to all-time status

[Hey Yo]

How is doing what Scottie did in 94 be playing at as Iggy / Wiggins level when neither of them achieved what Scottie did? Does this years Wiggins on the 94 Bulls get to game 7 of the ECSF?

Hell, the following season MJ couldn't even get his Bulls to a game 7 in the 2nd round.

[StrongLurk]

OP used to hold Magic in high regards until I called him out on his "scoring" hypocrisy regarding Lebron and Magic.

Of course I slammed OP over and over like everyone else on this board...now look at OP being forced to lump in Magic with Lebron due to "not beating MaX aTtEnTiOn" lol. What a clown.

[8Ball]

what do you call a player that basically finished top10 in MVP through their prime years?

Pippen MVP place:
91-92: 9th
93-94: 3rd
94-95: 7th
95-96: 5th
96-97: 11th
97-98: 10th


Davis MVP place:
14-15: 5th
16-17: 9th
17-18: 3rd
19-20: 6th

/end thread

[Shooter]

OP used to hold Magic in high regards until I called him out on his "scoring" hypocrisy regarding Lebron and Magic.

Of course I slammed OP over and over like everyone else on this board...now look at OP being forced to lump in Magic with Lebron due to "not beating MaX aTtEnTiOn" lol. What a clown.

The funny part is

LBJ > MJ
Magic > Kobe

So who cares :lol

[3ba11]

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Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)'............ 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)'............ 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts




How is doing what Scottie did in 94 be playing at as Iggy / Wiggins level when neither of them achieved what Scottie did? Does this years Wiggins on the 94 Bulls get to game 7 of the ECSF?

Hell, the following season MJ couldn't even get his Bulls to a game 7 in the 2nd round.



Comparing Iggy & Pippen as 1st options in Playoffs against East champs (Dwight/Ewing)


Iguodala 2009 Playoffs vs Dwight.... 21.5... 6.3... 6.7... 44.9%... lost in 6 (no kukoc miracle)

Pippen 1994 Playoffs vs Ewing......... 21.7... 7.7... 4.7... 40.5%... lost in 7 (kukoc miracle)


Secondary producers on championship teams like Klay, Pippen or Wiggins play on a Hornacek or Iggy level (stats above) but the winning spotlight inflates them to all-time status.

Pippen was an Iggy-level player that was simply lucky to play alongside the GOAT in a 2-star vs 2-star format (90's) - anyone wins alongside the goat in that format.

This isn't opinion - the stats above confirm that Pippen was Iggy-caliber as 1st option, and was 0/6 in FMVP compared to 1/3 for Iggy.

[r15mohd]

Similar to Wiggins becoming an all-star and champion, Pippen was inflated by the winning spotlight.. He played at an Iggy or Wiggins level, but the winning spotlight inflated him

In reality, Pippen is the only sidekick that was carried in every series - he was never a leader or co-leader in any series and averaged 10-30 less than MJ in every series - he also had the lowest peak capability of any sidekick (22 ppg)

none of this comment is relevant to 93-94 and 94-95

[3ba11]

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Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)'............ 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)'............ 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts






none of this comment is relevant to 93-94 and 94-95






Comparing Iggy & Pippen as 1st options in Playoffs against East champs (Dwight/Ewing)


Iguodala 2009 Playoffs vs Dwight.... 21.5... 6.3... 6.7... 44.9%... lost in 6 (no kukoc miracle)

Pippen 1994 Playoffs vs Ewing......... 21.7... 7.7... 4.7... 40.5%... lost in 7 (kukoc miracle)


Secondary producers on championship teams like Klay, Pippen or Wiggins play on a Hornacek or Iggy level (stats above) but the winning spotlight inflates them to all-time status.

Pippen was an Iggy-level player that was simply lucky to play alongside the GOAT in a 2-star vs 2-star format (90's) - anyone wins alongside the goat in that format.

This isn't opinion - the stats above confirm that Pippen was Iggy-caliber as 1st option, and was 0/6 in FMVP compared to 1/3 for Iggy.

[Hey Yo]

Where did Iggy finish in MVP voting in 09?

Wiggins this season?

Kyrie any season he was 1st option?

[r15mohd]

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Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)'............ 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)'............ 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts







Comparing Iggy & Pippen as 1st options in Playoffs against East champs (Dwight/Ewing)


Iguodala 2009 Playoffs vs Dwight.... 21.5... 6.3... 6.7... 44.9%... lost in 6 (no kukoc miracle)

Pippen 1994 Playoffs vs Ewing......... 21.7... 7.7... 4.7... 40.5%... lost in 7 (kukoc miracle)


Secondary producers on championship teams like Klay, Pippen or Wiggins play on a Hornacek or Iggy level (stats above) but the winning spotlight inflates them to all-time status.

Pippen was an Iggy-level player that was simply lucky to play alongside the GOAT in a 2-star vs 2-star format (90's) - anyone wins alongside the goat in that format.

This isn't opinion - the stats above confirm that Pippen was Iggy-caliber as 1st option, and was 0/6 in FMVP compared to 1/3 for Iggy.



winning spotlight is irrelevant (MJ wasnt there), so Pippen had the spotlight directly on him and increased his level of play. that in itself is elite as he went from 9th to 3rd in MVP voting, and exactly what you use in diminishing 2nd options for when playing with/without Lebron - numbers up as 1st option, down as 2nd option. these things are obvious to everyone but you and your agenda

[red1]

3 finals MVPs on three different franchises.


will be the only player in NBA history - now and forever - to achieve that feat.


he IS the system.


meanwhile jordan only ever beat the old lakers without kareem and then stockton and malone - and his team won 55-games without him. pippen's bulls were a 55-win Eastern Semi's game 7 team without baldan.



there is no evidence whatsoever that jordan could win a ring WITHOUT a 55-win supporting cast.

[red1]

3 finals MVPs on three different franchises.


will be the only player in NBA history - now and forever - to achieve that feat.


he IS the system.


meanwhile jordan only ever beat the old lakers without kareem and then stockton and malone - and his team won 55-games without him. pippen's bulls were a 55-win Eastern Semi's game 7 team without baldan.



there is no evidence whatsoever that jordan could win a ring WITHOUT a 55-win supporting cast.

3ball do you want me to spam this post and start a new thread with this subject every 5-minutes? that's kind of what you do.

[3ba11]

winning spotlight is irrelevant (MJ wasnt there), so Pippen had the spotlight directly on him and increased his level of play. that in itself is elite as he went from 9th to 3rd in MVP voting, and exactly what you use in diminishing 2nd options for when playing with/without Lebron - numbers up as 1st option, down as 2nd option. these things are obvious to everyone but you and your agenda


If rookie Wiggins played with Curry and they started three-peating in Year 4 of Wiggins career, his perception by Year 7 would be a lot different than his perception after 7 years in Minnesota.. He would be perceived as a 3-peat HOF instead of the impact-less bum that he was in Minnesota.

This is what happened to Pippen... The run that Wiggins just had with Curry - Pippen did that 3 times by 93' and was perceived as a 3-peat HOF instead of the losing bum that he was in Houston or Portland.

And MVP awards are based on the surprise factor... The Bulls actually had the biggest surprise factor by being a high seed without Jordan, yet Pippen still couldn't win MVP and was never in the conversation or perceived as that caliber of player.

Everyone remembered his many chokes, disappearances, zero clutch and weak scoring from previous seasons - everyone remembers that his peak capability is 22 ppg and.MJ had to average 10-30 more in every series.. Pippen never carried a team and couldn't create in the halfcourt - he was a system player.

That's why there isn't a single instance of anyone actually mentioning Pippen for MVP - there was no "pippen MVP talk" - that wasn't a thing except preposterous

[red1]

3 finals MVPs on three different franchises.


will be the only player in NBA history - now and forever - to achieve that feat.


he IS the system.


meanwhile jordan only ever beat the old lakers without kareem and then stockton and malone - and his team won 55-games without him. pippen's bulls were a 55-win Eastern Semi's game 7 team without baldan.



there is no evidence whatsoever that jordan could win a ring WITHOUT a 55-win supporting cast.

[3ba11]

3 finals MVPs on three different franchises.





Lebron hand-picked the preseason favorite on 3 teams but only has a winning Finals record with 1 of them (the bubble ring where AD carried them to Finals with domination of Joker)

[3ba11]

none of this comment is relevant to 93-94 and 94-95


You're misperceiving some things

[red1]

will never happen again.


THREE finals MVPs on THREE different franchises.



meanwhile baldan never won a SINGLE ring without a 55-win supporting cast :roll:



:yaohappy:

[3ba11]

none of this comment is relevant to 93-94 and 94-95


If rookie Wiggins played with Curry and they started three-peating by Year 4 - his perception by Year 7 would be a lot different than his perception after 7 years in Minnesota.. He would be perceived as a 3-peat HOF instead of the impact-less bum that he was in Minnesota.

This is what happened to Pippen... The run that Wiggins just had with Curry - Pippen did that 3 times by 93' and was perceived as a 3-peat HOF instead of the losing bum that he was in Houston or Portland.

[red1]

jordan only beat stockton and malone and only caught the lakers when magic had aids and kareem was in the retirement home - and not even on the court


his sidekick pippen led the exact same team to 55-wins - without baldan


this is your GOAT? :roll:

[3ba11]

jordan only beat stockton and malone and only caught the lakers when magic had aids and kareem was in the retirement home - and not even on the court


his sidekick pippen led the exact same team to 55-wins - without baldan


this is your GOAT? :roll:


Lebron formed many super-teams and still falls short of MJ's ring count without super-teams... :facepalm:

And Pippen cratered a 3-peat dynasty to lottery in less than 18 months - the Bulls were lottery in 95' until MJ returned to restore 3-peat caliber

[red1]

jordan only beat stockton and malone and only caught the lakers when magic had aids and kareem was in the retirement home - and not even on the court


his sidekick pippen led the exact same team to 55-wins - without baldan

[red1]

spam and repeat.


spam and repeat.




the 3ball special.

[r15mohd]

If rookie Wiggins played with Curry and they started three-peating by Year 4 - his perception by Year 7 would be a lot different than his perception after 7 years in Minnesota.. He would be perceived as a 3-peat HOF instead of the impact-less bum that he was in Minnesota.

This is what happened to Pippen... The run that Wiggins just had with Curry - Pippen did that 3 times by 93' and was perceived as a 3-peat HOF instead of the losing bum that he was in Houston or Portland.

too bad for you we dont go by if's...we stick to reality.

Pippen is elite - with or without MJ. referencing the back end of his career, at 33y/o, doesnt change any of it.

[Bacchus]

Pippen was not elite playing with Barkley and Hakeem. Bounced in the first round of the playoffs after winning a championship the prior year with Jordan. Jordan has won 6/15 years or championships 40% of the time he was in the league. James has won 4/19 or 21% of the time he was in the league.

[red1]

Pippen was not elite playing with Barkley and Hakeem. Bounced in the first round of the playoffs after winning a championship the prior year with Jordan. Jordan has won 6/15 years or championships 40% of the time he was in the league. James has won 4/19 or 21% of the time he was in the league.

lebron beat a 70-win team in the NBA finals


that's a talented team right there... if they can win 73 out of 82 games- MORE than baldan ever won



Sheesh.

[3ba11]

too bad for you we dont go by if's...we stick to reality.

Pippen is elite - with or without MJ. referencing the back end of his career, at 33y/o, doesnt change any of it.


Pippen is the only sidekick that never achieved elite ppg, rpg or apg in any series.

For example, the worst sidekick that Jordan faced in the Finals was Terry Porter, who dominated the 92' WCF with 26/4/8 on 52% (6 attempts at 53%) - his dominance on the 90' and 92' Finals runs was superior to Lillard.

Similarly, Stockton carried the Jazz in the 97' WCF (21/11) with the series walk-off in Barkley's face.. Meanwhile, Kemp's destruction of Malone in the 97' WCF and Finals MVP vote performance are legendary - him and Payton were 1a/1b and alternated being the statistical leader.. Penny/Shaq were also like a 1a/1b..

So Pippen is the only sidekick that never dominate or achieved elite stats - the only sidekick that wasn't a 1b or leader in a series..

Pippen is the only sidekick that couldn't achieve dominant stats because he's the only sidekick that wasn't a go-to player... MJ couldn't rely on him down the stretch and Phil had to put Kerr, Paxson, Kukoc or MJ in the shooter roles.. Since MJ is the only guy that lacked a go-to teammate, he faced maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load more than anyone ever)... Heck, the Jazz actually defended Pippen with Hornacek and saved Russell for MJ..

[Round Mound]

Magic can't carry the load offensively? What about game 6 as a rookie without Kareem in 1980 vs the Sixers

42 Points, 15 Rebounds and 7 Assists.

[red1]

Pippen is the only sidekick that never achieved elite ppg, rpg or apg in any series.

For example, the worst sidekick that Jordan faced in the Finals was Terry Porter, who dominated the 92' WCF with 26/4/8 on 52% (6 attempts at 53%) - his dominance on the 90' and 92' Finals runs was superior to Lillard.

Similarly, Stockton carried the Jazz in the 97' WCF (21/11) with the series walk-off in Barkley's face.. Meanwhile, Kemp's destruction of Malone in the 97' WCF and Finals MVP vote performance are legendary - him and Payton were 1a/1b and alternated being the statistical leader.. Penny/Shaq were also like a 1a/1b..

So Pippen is the only sidekick that never dominate or achieved elite stats - the only sidekick that wasn't a 1b or leader in a series..

Pippen is the only sidekick that couldn't achieve dominant stats because he's the only sidekick that wasn't a go-to player... MJ couldn't rely on him down the stretch and Phil had to put Kerr, Paxson, Kukoc or MJ in the shooter roles.. Since MJ is the only guy that lacked a go-to teammate, he faced maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load more than anyone ever)... Heck, the Jazz actually defended Pippen with Hornacek and saved Russell for MJ..

but he achieved 55-games and game 7 of the conference semis, no?


all that text and cant even acknowledge these basic facts.

[Shooter]

will never happen again.


THREE finals MVPs on THREE different franchises.



meanwhile baldan never won a SINGLE ring without a 55-win supporting cast :roll:



:yaohappy:

WRAP it UP!

[Hey Yo]

Magic can't carry the load offensively? What about game 6 as a rookie without Kareem in 1980 vs the Sixers

42 Points, 15 Rebounds and 7 Assists.

Jamaal Wilkes also put up 37-10 in that game 6

[3ba11]

but he achieved 55-games and game 7 of the conference semis, no?


all that text and cant even acknowledge these basic facts.


Horace Grant was a rebounder at 2nd option and Pippen wasn't a great scorer or closer, so the 94' Bulls didn't win based on talent - they won based on 3-peat system and no expectation/no pressure/honeymoon period.. When that period ended early in the playoffs, the REAL bulls without MJ were lottery in 95' before he returned to restore 3-pwat caliber.. So Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round and then lottery in less than 18 months

[SouBeachTalents]

Horace Grant was a rebounder at 2nd option and Pippen wasn't a great scorer or closer, so the 94' Bulls didn't win based on talent - they won based on 3-peat system and no expectation/no pressure/honeymoon period.. When that period ended early in the playoffs, the REAL bulls without MJ were lottery before he returned to restore 3-pwat caliber.. So Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round and then lottery in less than 18 months
All this dude does is lie :lol He's been calling the '95 Bulls lottery for years, when they had a winning record and were the 6 seed when Jordan came back. They were in fact 9 games ahead of the 9th seed, so they weren't even close to missing the playoffs.

And he's also not once, literally never acknowledged that the '95 Bulls no longer had Horace Grant aka the Bulls 3rd best player during the 3peat.

[Johnny32]

They can't defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals) because they aren't good enough scorers.

Specifically, their brand of ball isn't sufficient to beat good teams while carrying the scoring load, so they need 1st options at sidekick and cannot win with true 2nd options like Wiggins or Pippen

Otoh, off-ball guys like Curry, MJ, Bird or Kobe are goat scorers - they can carry the scoring load with a good brand of ball that can beat top teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen

career finals stats

jordan - 33 ppg on 48%
legoat - 28 ppg on 48%
curry - 27 ppg on 43%
kobe - 25 ppg on 41%
bird - 23 ppg on 46%

3tard is as clueless as ever.

[Johnny32]

All this dude does is lie :lol He's been calling the '95 Bulls lottery for years, when they had a winning record and were the 6 seed when Jordan came back. They were in fact 9 games ahead of the 9th seed, so they weren't even close to missing the playoffs.

And he's also not once, literally never acknowledged that the '95 Bulls no longer had Horace Grant aka the Bulls 3rd best player during the 3peat.

aka...the guy who shit down mj and the bulls throats in the 95 playoffs. the bulls needed another all defensive caliber big in rodman in 96 to be championship contenders again. mj never won without multiple all def caliber teammates. wings and bigs.

[RRR3]

Snivelly claimed to be a college basketball superstar :lol

He’s a pathological liar.

[3ba11]

.
Miller and Pippen against the same playoff opponent



R Miller vs. 90' Pistons..... 20.7 on 57%... 17.9 usage
Pippen. vs. 90' Pistons..... 16.6 on 43%... 20.4 usage

R Miller vs 93' Knicks....... 31.5 on 53%... 27.5 usage
Pippen. vs 93' Knicks....... 22.5 on 51%... 28.4 usage

R Miller vs 94' Knicks....... 24.7 on 44%... 30.1 usage
Pippen. vs 94' Knicks....... 21.7 on 41%... 31.7 usage

R Miller vs 95' Magic........ 25.9 on 52%... 26.2 usage
Pippen. vs 95' Magic........ 19.0 on 42%... 23.1 usage

R Miller vs 00' Lakers....... 24.3 on 41%... 25.0 usage
Pippen. vs 00' Lakers....... 15.1 on 43%... 19.5 usage
Pippen. vs 99' Lakers....... 18.3 on 33%... 23.5 usage

R Miller 98' ECF............... 17.4 on 41%... 21.1 usage
Pippen. 98' ECF............... 16.6 on 39%... 26.0 usage


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/6q8E2n.gif




All this dude does is lie :lol He's been calling the '95 Bulls lottery for years, when they had a winning record and were the 6 seed when Jordan came back. They were in fact 9 games ahead of the 9th seed, so they weren't even close to missing the playoffs.

And he's also not once, literally never acknowledged that the '95 Bulls no longer had Horace Grant aka the Bulls 3rd best player during the 3peat.


The 94' Bulls added Kukoc, which Jordan never had, so I never cared when they lost Horace in 95' because they already had overkill with Kukoc, who was the starting PF in the 98' Playoffs

And the Bulls were the 6 seed (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1995_standings_by_date_eastern_conference.html ) (34-31) before MJ returned - they would've dropped to 7 seed without MJ and lost to NY again, this time in the 1st Round..

Even if they remain the 6 seed they would've faced Reggie Miller - Miller destroys Pippen against the same comp and Pippen would have worst-ever 4th quarter stats just like he did against Ewing (see atats above)

[Shooter]

All this dude does is lie :lol He's been calling the '95 Bulls lottery for years, when they had a winning record and were the 6 seed when Jordan came back. They were in fact 9 games ahead of the 9th seed, so they weren't even close to missing the playoffs.

And he's also not once, literally never acknowledged that the '95 Bulls no longer had Horace Grant aka the Bulls 3rd best player during the 3peat.

:lol

I'd bust in my pants to see Kyrie lead the 2019 Cavs to 55 wins and get 3rd in MVP votes.