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lebron won 4 rings and was only favored in 3 of the 10 NBA finals that he played in
2018 Warriors -1075 Cavaliers +688
2017 Warriors -300 Cavaliers +250
2016 Warriors -220 Cavaliers +180 *
2015 Warriors -220 Cavaliers +190
2014 Spurs -155 Heat +135
2013 Heat -220 * Spurs +180
2012 Thunder -175 Heat +155 *
2011 Heat -175 Mavericks +155
2007 Spurs -450 Cavaliers +360
*was also favored against the 2020 heat
https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-finals-betting-trends-lebron-james-analysis-lakers-vs-heat
just look at all of these stacked teams he played - played the warriors and spurs a combined 7 times in the finals with teammates that were often injured while opponents always had perfect health in all of the underdog series.
and he won 4 rings so overachieved by 33%
warriorfan
06-21-2022, 08:13 PM
Hey can someone get a napkin for op? He has LeBron’s jizz all over his face right now.
Thank you
Hey can someone get a napkin for op? He has LeBron’s jizz all over his face right now.
Thank you
keep crying ***** :oldlol:
I've been rooting for this kid since 2003, great to see him take your soul in 2016. watching you meltdown like the little bitch that you are was just hilarious. :oldlol:
warriorfan
06-21-2022, 08:17 PM
keep crying ***** :oldlol:
I've been rooting for this kid since 2003, great to see him take your soul in 2016. watching you meltdown like the little bitch that you are was just hilarious. :oldlol:
fumin’
fumin’
congrats to lil boy curry on his first finals MVP. mans finally made it to the big-boy table. :applause:
1987_Lakers
06-21-2022, 08:25 PM
Funny that he was an underdog in 2012 in retrospect considering how those Finals played out. Thunder were coming off winning 4 straight against a Spurs team that had the best record in the NBA and started the postseason with a 10-0 record while Miami needed 7 games to beat an old Boston team. I'm sure that was a huge reason why Miami were underdogs in that series.
thunder were unreal. those kids were going off and the heat just choked in 2011 so it was looking shaky.
fortunately we all know what happened. first time of many for skip to cry and whine on national television. :roll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xejZxEk3mg&ab_channel=Slicevids
SouBeachTalents
06-21-2022, 08:26 PM
Funny that he was an underdog in 2012 in retrospect considering how those Finals played out. Thunder were coming off winning 4 straight against a Spurs team that had the best record in the NBA and started the postseason with a 10-0 record while Miami needed 7 games to beat an old Boston team. I'm sure that was a huge reason why Miami were underdogs in that series.
That, they had HCA, and I'm sure there was still doubts about LeBron after his epic choke job the year before.
warriorfan
06-21-2022, 08:47 PM
No team in nba finals history have ever won with their two best players being under 25 years old.
It literally never happens. OKC were pretenders. They just weren’t seasoned enough to make it.
Look at Bron’s first two Finals. First one he was the same age as KD and Russ were in 2012, in Bron’s infamous 2011 choke he was 26 years old and still didn’t have it all figured out.
OKC never had a chance.
1987_Lakers
06-21-2022, 08:53 PM
No team in nba finals history have ever won with their two best players being under 25 years old.
It literally never happens. OKC were pretenders. They just weren’t seasoned enough to make it.
Look at Bron’s first two Finals. First one he was the same age as KD and Russ were in 2012, in Bron’s infamous 2011 choke he was 26 years old and still didn’t have it all figured out.
OKC never had a chance.
'79 Sonics. DJ & Sikma were under 25, Williams was 25.
That OKC team, although young were no joke. They beat the Lakers with Kobe, Gasol, & Bynum with little difficulty then knocked off the Spurs who many had as the favorites to win it all that year.
warriorfan
06-21-2022, 08:55 PM
'79 Sonics. DJ & Sikma were under 25, Williams was 25.
That OKC team, although not ready were no joke. They beat the Lakers with Kobe, Gasol, & Bynum with little difficulty then knocked off the Spurs who many had as the favorites to win it all that year.
Ok it happened one time in the past 40+ years in the dark ages of the NBA and one of them was considerably older than KD and Russ.
Point still remains the same. Teams that young don’t win championships. It takes time.
Full Court
06-21-2022, 08:57 PM
So he was a FAVORITE in 2011, the most epic choke job of all time.
Interesting!
warriorfan
06-21-2022, 09:00 PM
So he was a FAVORITE in 2011, the most epic choke job of all time.
Interesting!
He was 26 years old too. LeBron was still mentally collapsing in the Finals even being a full 3 years older than KD and Russ in 2012.
Even with the most talented players. It takes time.
jstern
06-21-2022, 09:01 PM
It makes sense. The East was historically weak, so under normal circumstance many of those teams wouldn't have made it to the Finals to be the underdog.
1987_Lakers
06-21-2022, 09:03 PM
He was 26 years old too. LeBron was still mentally collapsing in the Finals even being a full 3 years older than KD and Russ in 2012.
Even with the most talented players. It takes time.
Curry was mentally collapsing in the Finals at age 28 in 2016
coin24
06-21-2022, 09:18 PM
Cause LeTiny is a loser
warriorfan
06-21-2022, 09:22 PM
Curry was mentally collapsing in the Finals at age 28 in 2016
This is a disingenuous argument but even if it wasn’t…..you would only be reinforcing my already irrefutable point.
You guys just aren’t very good at this.
He was 26 years old too. LeBron was still mentally collapsing in the Finals even being a full 3 years older than KD and Russ in 2012.
Even with the most talented players. It takes time.
it wasnt a mental collapse at all. he was just passive and never got into a rhythm.
easy explanation - first time ever sharing the ball. he was too unselfish. dwade the next year told him to take the reigns and we then saw greatness two back to back seasons sweeping the mvp championship and finals MVP, undisputed best in the world.
2 ez.
2018 Warriors -1075 Cavaliers +688
2017 Warriors -300 Cavaliers +250
2016 Warriors -220 Cavaliers +180 *
2015 Warriors -220 Cavaliers +190
2014 Spurs -155 Heat +135
2013 Heat -220 * Spurs +180
2012 Thunder -175 Heat +155 *
2011 Heat -175 Mavericks +155
2007 Spurs -450 Cavaliers +360
just look at this shit. must be the most lopsided odds of all-time. :roll:
and you know vegas doesnt lie - they dont like to lose money.
This is a disingenuous argument but even if it wasn’t…..you would only be reinforcing my already irrefutable point.
You guys just aren’t very good at this.
man, we body-bagged the bodybags.
it's BEEN over. since 2016 to be honest.
Cause LeTiny is a loser
a self-made billionaire is a loser meanwhile you probably dont even have 20k in your bank account knowing your bum-ass :oldlol:
SouBeachTalents
06-21-2022, 10:16 PM
just look at this shit. must be the most lopsided odds of all-time. :roll:
and you know vegas doesnt lie - they dont like to lose money.
I know people love to clown LeBron about his Finals record, but some of the disparities in talent his team was facing were straight up ridiculous :lol
https://www.fulcrumgallery.com/product-images/P253262-10/2007-nba-finals-match-up-cavaliers-spurs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHgAkg7WoAAXEQd.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/xCZctHm/imageedit-2-2709359491.jpg
Shooter
06-21-2022, 10:41 PM
congrats to lil boy curry on his first finals MVP. mans finally made it to the big-boy table. :applause:
Yup he finally showed up with 1 FMVP to that table :lol
I know people love to clown LeBron about his Finals record, but some of the disparities in talent his team was facing were straight up ridiculous :lol
https://www.fulcrumgallery.com/product-images/P253262-10/2007-nba-finals-match-up-cavaliers-spurs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHgAkg7WoAAXEQd.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/xCZctHm/imageedit-2-2709359491.jpg
the silver lining is that because of those runs, even despite some of the horseshit rosters the cavs had, its going to leave him at #1 for all of the important stats
all-time scoring leader and all-time playoff scoring leader and all-time finals scoring leader
literally carrying and dragging dogshit teams to the finals. 2007 and 2018 were just superhuman, and the finals odds reflect that :roll:
Cause LeTiny is a loser
answer the question *****. do you even have 20k in your bank account? :oldlol:
Shooter
06-21-2022, 11:46 PM
man, we body-bagged the bodybags.
it's BEEN over. since 2016 to be honest.
:roll::roll: Body bagged the body bags
DOUBLE TIME
Shooter
06-21-2022, 11:46 PM
answer the question *****. do you even have 20k in your bank account? :oldlol:
Fu** he doesn't he's a broke boi.
Baller789
06-21-2022, 11:48 PM
answer the question *****. do you even have 20k in your bank account? :oldlol:
Do you have 20k in your bank account?
Do you have 20k in your bank account?
I make gwap fam... GOOD coin...
its trashy to brag about - I'm just here to take cashew's soul because he cant help but poke his fatass into every thread....
Baller789
06-21-2022, 11:53 PM
I make gwap fam... GOOD coin...
its trashy to brag about - I'm just here to take cashew's soul because he cant help but poke his fatass into every thread....
Its also trashy to accuse someone you dont know about his financials.
:confusedshrug:
Its also trashy to accuse someone you dont know about his financials.
:confusedshrug:
thats the thing you retard
I know cashew24 is a broke bitch :oldlol:
never try to give me advice.
Baller789
06-21-2022, 11:59 PM
thats the thing you retard
I know cashew24 is a broke bitch :oldlol:
never try to give me advice.
Do you know him personally?
Do you have banking info on hand?
Or are you just talking out of your @$$?
GrayGoat
06-21-2022, 11:59 PM
Facts on top of facts on top of facts!
Do you know him personally?
Do you have banking info on hand?
Or are you just talking out of your @$$?
shut up loser. all you ever do is follow the fam™ around, the exact same way cashew24 does.
get the **** out if you have nothing to add.
do you even watch basketball?
of course the loser with the lebron avatar would defend the other loser in cashew24
get the phuck out fakkit
https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/c_fill,g_auto,f_auto,h_293,w_520/https%3A%2F%2Fmedia0.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FeaLAQlhJO 4vL2%2Fsource.gif
kawhileonard2
06-22-2022, 12:16 AM
lebron won 4 rings and was only favored in 3 of the 10 NBA finals that he played in
*was also favored against the 2020 heat
https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-finals-betting-trends-lebron-james-analysis-lakers-vs-heat
just look at all of these stacked teams he played - played the warriors and spurs a combined 7 times in the finals with teammates that were often injured while opponents always had perfect health in all of the underdog series.
and he won 4 rings so overachieved by 33%
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html (Dallas 7th)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html (San Antonio 6th)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html (Golden State 8th)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_preseason_odds.html (Raptors 5th)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 1st)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 2nd)
Baller789
06-22-2022, 12:28 AM
shut up loser. all you ever do is follow the fam™ around, the exact same way cashew24 does.
get the **** out if you have nothing to add.
do you even watch basketball?
I come to you with facts.
You come at me with nothing but your ego and emotional breakdowns.
This conversation here is over.
I come to you with facts.
You come at me with nothing but your ego and emotional breakdowns.
This conversation here is over.
how did you come at me with facts.
all you ever do is obsess over the GOAT following the fam™ around like I said
just look at yourself - your avatar is a lebron avatar. what do you even root for? clown. :roll:
kawhileonard2
06-22-2022, 12:32 AM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html (Dallas 7th)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html (San Antonio 6th)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html (Golden State 8th)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_preseason_odds.html (Raptors 5th)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 1st)
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 2nd)
Baller789
06-22-2022, 04:36 AM
how did you come at me with facts.
all you ever do is obsess over the GOAT following the fam™ around like I said
just look at yourself - your avatar is a lebron avatar. what do you even root for? clown. :roll:
Oh does that Lebron avy bring you so much pain?
Oh I'm sorry. :(
Spurs m8
06-22-2022, 05:05 AM
Because he was cake walking through a weak Conference and he is a team killer
HylianNightmare
06-22-2022, 05:33 AM
Kyrie
D Wade
Kevin Love
Chris Bosh
Anthony Davis
TheGoatest
06-22-2022, 05:37 AM
Has jordon won a single playoff series where his team with a stacked supporting cast weren't the favorites? :confusedshrug:
Baller789
06-22-2022, 08:24 AM
Has jordon won a single playoff series where his team with a stacked supporting cast weren't the favorites? :confusedshrug:
Same old sh!t gayball.
ImKobe
06-22-2022, 08:28 AM
Has jordon won a single playoff series where his team with a stacked supporting cast weren't the favorites? :confusedshrug:
They were favored because they had MJ, dumbass. Jordan never lost with HCA.
3ba11
06-22-2022, 05:33 PM
But many of those he was the preseason favorite
Only a weak brand of ball can cause favored talent to underachieve, so Lebron was the on-paper, talent favorite (preseason favorite) but a bad brand cratered the team to underdog
But many of those he was the preseason favorite
Only a weak brand of ball can cause favored talent to underachieve, so Lebron was the on-paper, talent favorite (preseason favorite) but a bad brand cratered the team to underdog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993%E2%80%9394_Chicago_Bulls_season
Stacked team.
55-wins without baldan.
Pippen was THE man.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994_games.html
this is baldan's best scalp.
two white boys on the perimeter while the men on his team handled the real beast.
https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_2000,h_2000,c_fit/https%3A%2F%2Fthejnotes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2017%2F07%2F52032655.jpeg
cotton candy competition while his team wins 55-games goes game 7 eastern conference semis
meanwhile this clown is scrubbing it up in the minor leagues. I didnt even say father-killing degenerate gambling clown - that would be a low-blow.
https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/05/03/2c3376ee-03bc-491a-be8c-9973c4217975/thumbnail/1200x675/2450e7f76b5bb0c1c287c3c49e3cdc31/michael-jordan-baseball.jpg
“Madonna would pick up Scottie Pippen in a limo with a hot tub”: Former Bulls coach says Michael Jordan was jealous of All-Star teammate’s package down under
https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-madonna-would-pick-up-scottie-pippen-in-a-limo-with-a-hot-tub-former-bulls-coach-says-michael-jordan-was-jealous-of-all-star-teammates-package-down-under/
Round Mound
06-22-2022, 06:56 PM
I think he was favored when having Wade, Bosh and Allen in the Heat. But...he was not favored when the Warriors had pretty much the same team as now and Durant. With Durant in the Warriors he wasn't favored at all.
I think he was favored when having Wade, Bosh and Allen in the Heat. But...he was not favored when the Warriors had pretty much the same team as now and Durant. With Durant in the Warriors he wasn't favored at all.
Exactly.
I havent looked at the all of the odds - the 2018 cavaliers team and the 2007 cavaliers have to be some of the biggest underdogs to EVER make the finals :roll:
but you'll never hear that from the hurr durr 6 rings crowd :oldlol:
Baller789
06-23-2022, 02:13 AM
this is baldan's best scalp.
two white boys on the perimeter while the men on his team handled the real beast.
https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_2000,h_2000,c_fit/https%3A%2F%2Fthejnotes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2017%2F07%2F52032655.jpeg
Stockton?
Ask any athletic black NBA guard and no one would argue that Stockton would give you the business.
:roll:
shut up loser. all you ever do is follow the fam™ around, the exact same way cashew24 does.
get the **** out if you have nothing to add.
do you even watch basketball?
:yaohappy:
Spurs m8
07-13-2022, 01:43 AM
Reminder...it was because he stacked the deck in a weak Conference but everyone knew his style and selfish play loses against quality teams more often than not...which is literally what happened
FultzNationRISE
07-13-2022, 02:48 AM
Reminder...it was because he stacked the deck in a weak Conference but everyone knew his style and selfish play loses against quality teams more often than not...which is literally what happened
Do you have ANY ****ing idea how big is the bruisin, for which you are currently cruisin??
Full Court
07-13-2022, 05:07 PM
So basically what I'm getting from the OP is that Bronie has lost as both an underdog AND an overdog. :lol
On the other hand, Jordan never lost.
Nice attempt at damage control, OP. :roll:
Cyrus334
07-13-2022, 05:09 PM
Really speaks volumes on how much his team underperformed in the regular season/playoffs before the Finals since for the majority of his prime, Lebron teams were the favorites heading into the season. The only exceptions were 2017 and 2018 with KD.
Baller789
07-13-2022, 09:08 PM
Really speaks volumes on how much his team underperformed in the regular season/playoffs before the Finals since for the majority of his prime, Lebron teams were the favorites heading into the season. The only exceptions were 2017 and 2018 with KD.
One of the reasons why Lebron is overrated. Great player tho.
Full Court
07-13-2022, 09:23 PM
Really speaks volumes on how much his team underperformed in the regular season/playoffs before the Finals since for the majority of his prime, Lebron teams were the favorites heading into the season. The only exceptions were 2017 and 2018 with KD.
Yep. Underperforming has been the story of his career.
sdot_thadon
07-13-2022, 09:36 PM
To all the Bron haters posting in here, maybe you should take into consideration that his level of competition has simply been higher than other guys' finals matchups.
dazzer87
07-13-2022, 09:43 PM
To all the Bron haters posting in here, maybe you should take into consideration that his level of competition has simply been higher than other guys' finals matchups.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg
Yes here vs the greatest Mexican player of all time…..Unfortunately LeGoat comes up short again………
sdot_thadon
07-13-2022, 09:48 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg
Yes here vs the greatest Mexican player of all time…..Unfortunately LeGoat comes up short again………
That's pretty good man, not a played out joke at all. Funny thing is that's a team he actually was favored over. They aren't the quality of the teams he beat however.
Baller789
07-13-2022, 11:02 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg
Yes here vs the greatest Mexican player of all time…..Unfortunately LeGoat comes up short again………
A 5'10 Mexican :oldlol:
Cyrus334
07-15-2022, 06:59 PM
To all the Bron haters posting in here, maybe you should take into consideration that his level of competition has simply been higher than other guys' finals matchups.
That's undeniably true. But you can easily throw that back and say Lebron's competition leading up to the Finals has been pitifully weak compared to other all time greats and explains how he went there every year for like a decade.
TheMan
07-15-2022, 07:09 PM
To all the Bron haters posting in here, maybe you should take into consideration that his level of competition has simply been higher than other guys' finals matchups.
There's always an excuse with LeFraud, huh? What about Jerry West and Elgin Baylor? Why don't they get the same treatment?
sdot_thadon
07-15-2022, 07:10 PM
That's undeniably true. But you can easily throw that back and say Lebron's competition leading up to the Finals has been pitifully weak compared to other all time greats and explains how he went there every year for like a decade.
You can ride that narrative but it's a bit overblown as well, Lebron's time in the east had, the former champ Pistons, Howard's Magic, the big 3 Celtics, Indy was pretty solid as well, Melo and Amares knicks, not to mention Rose's Bulls who were tough as shit. His 2nd go round in Cleveland there were too many young teams pretty much due to roster turnovers after not being able to beat Lebron. That's a pretty decent field of comp. For example was Mjs field in the east really that much better than that once he was in seroius contention? What about Magics west in the 80s?
TheMan
07-15-2022, 07:14 PM
You can ride that narrative but it's a bit overblown as well, Lebron's time in the east had, the former champ Pistons, Howard's Magic, the big 3 Celtics, Indy was pretty solid as well, Melo and Amares knicks, not to mention Rose's Bulls who were tough as shit. His 2nd go round in Cleveland there were too many young teams pretty much due to roster turnovers after not being able to beat Lebron. That's a pretty decent field of comp. For example was Mjs field in the east really that much better than that once he was in seroius contention? What about Magics west in the 80s?
We've already went over this, MJ faced more 50 and 60 win teams en route to the Finals than LeBron ever did.
3ba11
07-15-2022, 07:32 PM
To all the Bron haters posting in here, maybe you should take into consideration that his level of competition has simply been higher than other guys' finals matchups.
Lebron was the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 and also 2020 and 2021
So what are you talking about? His teams were the on-paper talent favorite but bad brand of ball reduced them them to underdog or loser
sdot_thadon
07-16-2022, 02:54 AM
We've already went over this, MJ faced more 50 and 60 win teams en route to the Finals than LeBron ever did.
And somehow in this modern nba, attaching win totals to a team doesn't define their quality, works easy for the past I suppose. Because when modern teams beat an x-win team, they were pretenders or paper tigers or whatever other term you want to use to downplay someone. Which one is it?
sdot_thadon
07-16-2022, 02:55 AM
Lebron was the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 and also 2020 and 2021
So what are you talking about? His teams were the on-paper talent favorite but bad brand of ball reduced them them to underdog or loser
Nobody gives a shit what people thought about a team before they ever play a game vs how they ended the season. You pick wife material out on the 1st pass?
NBAGOAT
07-16-2022, 02:04 PM
We've already went over this, MJ faced more 50 and 60 win teams en route to the Finals than LeBron ever did.
how many of them challenged the bulls as legit contenders however. 92 knicks, 92 cavs, 93 knicks, 96 magic, 98 pacers are the ones imo so 4 cores. Just from the years bron won titles he does have 3 in the celtics, bulls, pacers.
Expansion does play a role in the wins though it's not the biggest deal. Teams in the late 90s just dont have depth(bulls are one of the best with a 7 man rotation in the playoffs). Just not as top heavy/deep as the strong teams of the early 90's, 80's, 00's etc. and before someone brings up kobe as a counter, I agree he faced strong competition in the playoffs
Full Court
07-16-2022, 08:23 PM
To all the Bron haters posting in here, maybe you should take into consideration that his level of competition has simply been higher than other guys' finals matchups.
That's a phony narrative. And even if I were to concede that his level of competition was higher, it's still offset by the fact that he's won with teams that were stacked more than anyone else's finals matchups too (with the exception of the Warriors in '17 and '18 - they were just as stacked if not more so).
sdot_thadon
07-17-2022, 12:48 AM
That's a phony narrative. And even if I were to concede that his level of competition was higher, it's still offset by the fact that he's won with teams that were stacked more than anyone else's finals matchups too (with the exception of the Warriors in '17 and '18 - they were just as stacked if not more so).
How ironic, we're talking about the same thing, just 2 different decades......
The point that he faced the 17 and 18 warriors or the 15 warriors solo or the Spurs solo in 07 should tell you enough about his comp. Why are we playing these numbskull games?
Cyrus334
07-17-2022, 05:53 PM
You can ride that narrative but it's a bit overblown as well, Lebron's time in the east had, the former champ Pistons, Howard's Magic, the big 3 Celtics, Indy was pretty solid as well, Melo and Amares knicks, not to mention Rose's Bulls who were tough as shit. His 2nd go round in Cleveland there were too many young teams pretty much due to roster turnovers after not being able to beat Lebron. That's a pretty decent field of comp. For example was Mjs field in the east really that much better than that once he was in seroius contention? What about Magics west in the 80s?
I don't think it's overblown at all when you factor in superstar talent competition. The West's talent compared to the East's for like a 5-6 year stretch in the 2010's was incredibly lopsided and explained why he always ended up playing juggernauts in the Finals while he had very weak competition in his conference.
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