Kyrie gives his list of 6 teams he will accept a sign and trade to.

[Kblaze8855]

Just when you thought the situation brewing in Brooklyn couldn't get any more volatile, the Nets (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/BKN/brooklyn-nets/) are suddenly at risk of losing both of their remaining superstars. Star point guard Kyrie Irving (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/players/1779901/kyrie-irving/) has been attempting to negotiate a contract extension with the Nets for some time, but reports have indicated that talks have reached an impasse. He has now given the Nets a list of teams he would be interested in joining via trade, according to Adrian Wojnarowski (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1540064728218849283). Kevin Durant (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/players/1231866/kevin-durant/), meanwhile, is said to be "monitoring the situation and considering options with his future," according to Shams Charania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1540064142555496452).
Irving's list of destinations goes six teams deep: the Los Angeles Lakers (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/LAL/los-angeles-lakers/), Los Angeles Clippers (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/LAC/los-angeles-clippers/), New York Knicks (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/NY/new-york-knicks/), Dallas Mavericks (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/DAL/dallas-mavericks/), Miami Heat (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/MIA/miami-heat/) and Philadelphia 76ers (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/PHI/philadelphia-76ers/). The Lakers have been viewed as the most serious threat to land Irving, and former teammate LeBron James (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/players/400553/lebron-james/) would seemingly relish a reunion with his former point guard. Jumping to the Knicks would allow Irving to remain in New York City. The Heat were on his list of preferred destinations when he asked the Cleveland Cavaliers (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/CLE/cleveland-cavaliers/) for a trade in 2017. The 76ers would offer either a reunion with James Harden (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/players/1685255/james-harden/), the guard who forced his way out of Brooklyn last season due in part to Irving's hesitance to get vaccinated against COVID-19, or would push Harden out of Philadelphia after the 76ers worked so hard to land him.


Let the chaos begin.

[Kblaze8855]

I’m reading that a double sign and trade Kyrie for Brunson isn’t impossible just difficult due to sign and trade rules.

[tontoz]

It would be awesome if he gets traded for Harden.

:oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

Looking at the lineups and contracts all those teams could do it. Sign and trade rules throw the salaries off because the player being sign/traded has his entire contract count for the team he goes to but the team sending him can only take 50% of his salary back. So he’s actually easy enough to match salary for. Just a matter of if the nets feel like helping him and taking something lesser just to get something out of losing him.

[Mask the Embiid]

https://i.postimg.cc/Vsn4D9LY/FCB6-BF37-8695-4-CCF-B8-E5-FC6407220-B26.gif

[GOBB]

Why he pick us (sixers)?

[Im Still Ballin]

Kyrie
Somebody that can shoot and defend
LeBron
AD
Mo Bamba/Myles Turner

[Kblaze8855]

Why he pick us (sixers)?


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IdioticBarrenAllosaurus-size_restricted.gif

[tontoz]

Why he pick us (sixers)?


Maybe he likes Embiid. It is a bit strange after Harden ditched them.

[Mask the Embiid]

Why he pick us (sixers)?

To troll harden… he knows damn well James left Brooklyn to get away from him. He just wants to see James sweat :oldlol:

Welp time to go to r/nets and Twitter to see the brooklyn nets fan meltdown since manny is nowhere to be found.


looks like I got some reading to do before the draft https://i.postimg.cc/fLKPqxDq/829-CAFEA-D38-A-4-C47-84-E7-60-A7-BA76-C704.jpg












Tldr: Manny eat shit!

[FultzNationRISE]

Honestly if I'm any star but LeHung, I dont want this dude anywhere NEAR me.

Luka and Embiid take basketball and winning seriously and have long careers ahead as franchise icons, they shouldnt want anything to do with this cancer.

Even older vets like Kawhi and Butler seem like terrible fits to be paired with Kyrie's drama.

Lebron obviously doesnt **** with Kyrie's drama and nonsense and lack of defense and lack of Pippen-esque genital size, but he's proven he can be the one LeFatherFigure who keeps Kyrie on track. So if they can flip Westbrook for him it would be a fair gamble to take.

Every other contender should steer WAAAAAY clear of this guy.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They may never have a first round pick again but it will be the Lakers. KD will be pissed.

Would really love to see him and Harden "reunited."

[Shogon]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IdioticBarrenAllosaurus-size_restricted.gif

:roll:

I don't believe Kyrie actually wants to go to any of those teams except maybe the Heat or Clippers.

[Kblaze8855]

They may never have a first round pick again but it will be the Lakers. KD will be pissed.

Would really love to see him and Harden "reunited."


You know Klutch is working behind the scenes. They have a lot of chips to play with Murray, Lavine, Wall, Simmons, Miles Bridges, and Maxey being clients they can get in the ear of and make noise.

[Full Court]

If he goes to either of the LA teams, the meltdowns on here will be insane. :lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

You know Klutch is working behind the scenes. They have a lot of chips to play with Murray, Lavine, Wall, Simmons, Miles Bridges, and Maxey being clients they can get in the ear of and make noise.
All true but currently it seems like Klutch's prime objective after getting their guys paid is getting James a ring and in that regard they're limited. LA has two great assets (James, Davis) and can pile up a ton of picks to make some crazy deal for one of those guys but don't see how they get two. But maybe LA trades 6 firsts from 2030 through 2040? Would that be allowed?

[Kblaze8855]

I actually think the Cavs ineptitude in the 80s made that illegal. They traded so many first round picks for vets and extended their treadmill status so long the league banned trading some number of consecutive picks.

They are the reason the Lakers were able to draft James Worthy first when they were already showtime great. League had to protect joke franchises from themselves.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I actually think the Cavs ineptitude in the 80s made that illegal. They traded so many first round picks for vets and extended their treadmill status so long the league banned trading some number of consecutive picks.

They are the reason the Lakers were able to draft James Worthy first when they were already showtime great. League had to protect joke franchises from themselves.

I believe the rule won't let you trade consecutive first so it has to be spaced out. When the Nets screwed themselves they alternated trading the pick outright with giving the Celtics the right to swap picks year by year.

[Stephonit]

If the Nets trade Kyrie to the Lakers who do they get back? Davis? That seems the least drama option unless it's a bunch of supporting players.

If the Nets get Westbrook in return there will be a Durant-Westbrook reunion. Drama. Will KD stay for that?

Yet as full of drama that scenario has the truly most discombobulating player the Nets could get back is—wait for it—LeBron! Now ask would KD stay for that?

[Real Men Wear Green]

If the Nets trade Kyrie to the Lakers who do they get back? Davis? That seems the least drama option unless it's a bunch of supporting players.

If the Nets get Westbrook in return there will be a Durant-Westbrook reunion. Drama. Will KD stay for that?

Yet as full of drama that scenario has the truly most discombobulating player the Nets could get back is—wait for it—LeBron! Now ask would KD stay for that?
Most plausible is Westbrook and a future first for Irving. Nets do it so that they get a pick and don't lose Irving for nothing. It may get Durant mad but he's signed the only downside is of Durant its willing to go full Harden to get traded

[Real Men Wear Green]

Also no way is Lakers trading James for Irving. That's crazy talk

[Kblaze8855]

I was actually thinking Lebron for Kyrie made perfect sense for both teams. Lakers possibly contend for 5 more years and Nets get their best chance to win with a

Lebron
Curry
KD
Simmons

core.


Lebron is just too powerful to let it happen.

[Stephonit]

Why do you think LeBron would be against being traded to the Nets? Teaming up with KD fits his modus operandi. They're also older so it can be argued it isn't a league busting deal.

[Spurs m8]

It would be awesome if he gets traded for Harden.

:oldlol:

Imagine the pout on Harden :roll:

[bladefd]

Keep in mind s&t would hardcap the teams. Lakers would have 1 MLE and then minimums just like last year so I don't know about s&t. Kyrie is also injury-prone and a headcase. I don't think the Lakers should touch this with a 10ft stick.

Ultimately, nothing will come out of this. Kyrie is trying to build leverage, and Nets will give in with an extra year or player option or no-trade clause or something. Teams almost always give in for stars in this league. I would be surprised if Kyrie goes anywhere.

[8Ball]

We'll take him for MLE and trade westbrook for some wings.

[Kblaze8855]

Why do you think LeBron would be against being traded to the Nets? Teaming up with KD fits his modus operandi. They're also older so it can be argued it isn't a league busting deal.

He moved to LA for non basketball reasons. New York obviously isn’t a terrible substitute but he’s put down roots it seems.

I doubt he leaves even after he retires.

[Axe]

Kyrie the dictator

[kentatm]

I’m reading that a double sign and trade Kyrie for Brunson isn’t impossible just difficult due to sign and trade rules.

Geez... obviously overall talent wise it’s Kyrie all day but locker room mojo and work ethic is Brunson in a landslide. I think I’d just stick w/Brunson if I was Dallas. You know he’s always going to play and he works his ass off.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I was actually thinking Lebron for Kyrie made perfect sense for both teams. Lakers possibly contend for 5 more years and Nets get their best chance to win with a

Lebron
Curry
KD
Simmons

core.


Lebron is just too powerful to let it happen.
James is still the biggest star in the league and still a more valuable player than Irving. Irving had a history of being unreliable, something like half of the last 6 seasons have ended with him injured and not even addressing the vaccine controversy he missed something like two weeks without telling the team where he was going or what he was doing. You would trade one of the greatest players of all time still performing near his peak for this headache?

If Kyrie Irving retired this off-season and announced he was going to spend the rest of his life smoking weed on an Indian reservation would you be surprised?

[Kblaze8855]

It’s one of those situation like how you don’t trade Bird to the pacers out of respect but if they had….Smits/Reggie likely put off those down years in the 90s.

You don’t do it. But you can justify it. He’s gone soon no matter what you do so the reliability of what comes back is less important.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It’s one of those situation like how you don’t trade Bird to the pacers out of respect but if they had….Smits/Reggie likely put off those down years in the 90s.

You don’t do it. But you can justify it. He’s gone soon no matter what you do so the reliability of what comes back is less important.

You're underrating how annoying it is to pay Stoneridge 40 mil a year to do whatever he wants and not g8ve a shit half the time. You sign on for a guy like that if you're desperate and/or if you aren't giving up a major asset. Which is why Westbrook plus a pick is fine. James is too big of an asset to waste like that.

And if you are willing to trade James you can get a much better offer. There might only be 10 to 15 players you couldn't get for James.

[Kblaze8855]

But he’s only worth it(losing a great or good young player) to teams that can win it all in the next couple years after such a deal so it limits trade partners. I’d trade him for Lamelo and Bridges as the Lakers but who would the Hornets do that? To get the attendance boost from his chasing the scoring record? And not like it’s even that major like baseball where you would sell out even premium priced tickets because people want the legendary ball to sell it. You just have a likely week of coverage and no real extra income.

Most teams just can’t justify a star for Lebron winding down.

The nets can.

[Kblaze8855]

Denver, the Bucks, the Jazz…there are some teams to call. But not as many as there would be 2 years ago.

[red1]

love kyrie man :oldlol:


all this guy did was shit on our division rivals in the nets and the celtics


great job ****ing those franchises over. I really support it. :applause: :roll: :roll:

[Johnny32]

I don't think he really wants to leave bkn just using this as leverage to get a max extension. If he would have just stfu and played basketball he'd already have it.

[E_Stamkos]

Hope the Lakers pulled something out of their ass.

That would be a nightmare waiting to happen should things not pan out.

[Real Men Wear Green]

But he’s only worth it(losing a great or good young player) to teams that can win it all in the next couple years after such a deal so it limits trade partners. I’d trade him for Lamelo and Bridges as the Lakers but who would the Hornets do that? To get the attendance boost from his chasing the scoring record? And not like it’s even that major like baseball where you would sell out even premium priced tickets because people want the legendary ball to sell it. You just have a likely week of coverage and no real extra income.

Most teams just can’t justify a star for Lebron winding down.

The nets can.

There is someone out there that would do it, be it for the prestige of having the biggest star, the ability to make money or the ability to win right now. The Lakers themselves are all in on the James-Davis duo. If Irving was a complete professional I could see it but he is not. The only guys that are bigger annoyances are Simmons and maybe Harden. You have to be concerned with James age but you never have to worry about his professionalism. And as of last season he was still easily the better player. Lakers wouldn't consider this.

[ShawkFactory]

I feel like he thinks he’s more powerful than he is right now.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I feel like he thinks he’s more powerful than he is right now.

He forced his way off Cleveland and then engineered the Nets. So I can see how he came to his current perspective. But he has done a lot of damage to his reputation since coming to Brooklyn.

[ShawkFactory]

He forced his way off Cleveland and then engineered the Nets. So I can see how he came to his current perspective. But he has done a lot of damage to his reputation since coming to Brooklyn.

Yea I mean he played 29 games last year...literally just because. No thanks.

[Kblaze8855]

There is someone out there that would do it, be it for the prestige of having the biggest star, the ability to make money or the ability to win right now. The Lakers themselves are all in on the James-Davis duo. If Irving was a complete professional I could see it but he is not. The only guys that are bigger annoyances are Simmons and maybe Harden. You have to be concerned with James age but you never have to worry about his professionalism. And as of last season he was still easily the better player. Lakers wouldn't consider this.

Of course they wouldn’t. Teams don’t do a lot of things that make sense. They probably wouldn’t trade Lebron for a lot of people that make sense to lock down more than a guy who will be 38 soon. Aging icons on that level rarely get traded doesn’t mean it isn’t reasonable from a basketball point of view.

If they trade for Kyrie and he goes crazy and retires they don’t have to pay and they are the same team they would be when Lebron retires anyway. His lack of reliability isn’t as big an issue when traded for even the best 37-38 year old.

Of course if you think you can squeeze one more title run out of the team they have it’s a whole different story.

[tontoz]

I would love to see the nets play hardball, saying pickup up your option or we let you walk and you can take your chances in free agency.

[Vino24]

love kyrie man :oldlol:


all this guy did was shit on our division rivals in the nets and the celtics


great job ****ing those franchises over. I really support it. :applause: :roll: :roll:
Than proceeds to get swept by former team Celtics :( jeje

[Kblaze8855]

I would love to see the nets play hardball, saying pickup up your option or we let you walk and you can take your chances in free agency.

Wouldn’t hurt him a bit. He’d just go to the Knicks and not even have to move. They cleared max room for Brunson and could clear more. Nets get nothing in return.

[tontoz]

Wouldn’t hurt him a bit. He’d just go to the Knicks and not even have to move. They cleared max room for Brunson and could clear more. Nets get nothing in return.

Fine. Then he can blow up the Knicks assuming they actually prefer him to Brunson which is no sure thing.

[hold this L]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/vjp5yz/get_up_teams_like_dallas_sixers_clippers_have_no/

Get Up] Teams like Dallas, Sixers, Clippers have no interest in Kyrie. The Knicks' priority is Brunson. The one team that has real interest in him are the Lakers.

Looks like the Nets are grabbing some helping hands from the rest of the teams. All making it harder for Kyrie to argue his value. Must hurt his infinite ego to have reports like this coming out.

[Kblaze8855]

It’s the Knicks. They want names.

Why get nothing instead of picks or players that might be of use? The spite you get out of playing hardball while he signs to a team on his list of preferred landing spots anyway?

[tontoz]

It’s the Knicks. They want names.

Why get nothing instead of picks or players that might be of use? The spite you get out of playing hardball while he signs to a team on his list of preferred landing spots anyway?


You are assuming there is a sign and trade that will actually work for the Nets. I haven't seen one yet that makes sense.

If Ben plays like he did in Philly he is a good fit with KD/Curry/Harris. They shouldn't let themselves be held hostage by Kyrie. His history is pretty clear. Sometimes you just need to accept a mistake and move on.

Kyrie doesn't even have an agent so he may not even be aware which teams are or are not interested in him.

[Kblaze8855]

Why would you call it being held hostage? Teams do sign and trades even for normal free agents who walk. Just good business. Why get nothing? That’s why Lebron was technically traded to the Heat if I remember correctly. They get a bigger deal and you get someone’s draft picks. Nothing personal to it. Just smart business.

[tontoz]

Why would you call it being held hostage? Teams do sign and trades even for normal free agents who walk. Just good business. Why get nothing? That’s why Lebron was technically traded to the Heat if I remember correctly. They get a bigger deal and you get someone’s draft picks. Nothing personal to it. Just smart business.


Most players don't have the baggage that Kyrie does. How many teams actually want him? How many of those teams have a trade package that actually works in terms of value and salary?

This is not a normal scenario. This is the third time Kyrie has worn out his welcome.

[Phoenix]

Potentially watching Kyrie and Kawhit fight over who misses the most games every year would be pure gold.

[Kblaze8855]

Most players don't have the baggage that Kyrie does. How many teams actually want him? How many of those teams have a trade package that actually works in terms of value and salary?

This is not a normal scenario. This is the third time Kyrie has worn out his welcome.

It’s not about value. It’s just getting something when the alternative is nothing. Why get nothing? Ever?

[tontoz]

It’s not about value. It’s just getting something when the alternative is nothing. Why get nothing? Ever?


You are assuming something (which they may or may not be able to get) is better than nothing when that isn't always the case. That something will be taking up a roster spot/salary and could create another problem.

Sometimes addition by subtraction works just fine.

If you have any specific deals in mind feel free to share. It is easy to say "get something" in theory.

[Kblaze8855]

“Something” can be as simple as draft picks. Like I said Lebron was technically traded to Miami. The pick that became Jae Crowder was among those traded for Lebron. You don’t let anybody walk and refuse to contact the other team about ways to get something from them do you? What harm does it do you if he gets paid more due to bird rights and you get picks in return?

[tontoz]

“Something” can be as simple as draft picks. Like I said Lebron was technically traded to Miami. The pick that became Jae Crowder was among those traded for Lebron. You don’t let anybody walk and refuse to contact the other team about ways to get something from them do you? What harm does it do you if he gets paid more due to bird rights and you get picks in return?

It is easy to make hypothetical trades for toxic players. Making actual trades is a little tougher. Using Lebron as an example isn't apples to apples lol, not to mention that Miami had enough cap space to sign him outright.

[red1]

Than proceeds to get swept by former team Celtics :( jeje

I love that too - **** the nets :oldlol:


Im hitting up new york again and will spit on the floor to say **** brooklyn

[red1]

already disliked the nets enough when they were the new jersey nets

[Kblaze8855]

It is easy to make hypothetical trades for toxic players. Making actual trades is a little tougher. Using Lebron as an example isn't apples to apples lol, not to mention that Miami had enough cap space to sign him outright.

Miami signed Lebron outright. The sign and trade is just to help the old team while also giving the players better terms. Its not a real trade….

[tontoz]

Miami signed Lebron outright. The sign and trade is just to help the old team while also giving the players better terms. Its not a real trade….

If i am the Nets i say go find a sign and trade deal. I think that would be a wake up call for Kyrie about his market value. Right now i think he has no clue. He is being represented by his stepmom ffs.

[Kblaze8855]

Why would you want Kyrie to find possible deals for you instead of deciding them for yourself? Of what benefit to you is a Kyrie ego check? Why is humbling him more important than your team getting the most possible by calling all options?

[tontoz]

Why would you want Kyrie to find possible deals for you instead of deciding them for yourself? Of what benefit to you is a Kyrie ego check? Why is humbling him more important than your team getting the most possible by calling all options?

The Nets will absolutely be calling around themselves. That's their job. If there is a good deal out there on that list of teams he gave them then sure they should go for it.

But i would bet there just isn't much out there and Kyrie isnt aware of that. He is deluded. Telling him to find a deal will give him a reality check and might make it easier to work something out.

[tontoz]

According to NBA insider Brian Windhorst, there is concern in Brooklyn that Irving could abandon the team to sign with the Lakers. He mentioned the Lakers’ mid-level exception as a possible way to make it work.”


https://sports.yahoo.com/windhorst-don-t-rule-kyrie-002621179.html

:oldlol:

[FireDavidKahn]

https://sports.yahoo.com/windhorst-don-t-rule-kyrie-002621179.html

:oldlol:
Kyrie knows his only path to success was and is LeBron.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Irving is a weird dude. MLE is what a fifth or 6th of what he makes if he takes his player option? Is like he cares about the money but only as a sign that the team wants him to be there and not for the sake of the money itself. If he behaves himself has the same stats and plays over 70 games he gets the max again for max years and can resume flipping the bird at everyone involved with him getting his paycheck. He would only take MLE from Lakers as an angry emotional response.

[Kblaze8855]

Honestly I get it. If he doesn’t need the difference in money he can go wherever he wants to be happy. Or as happy as his nature allows. And he’s a free agent again to do whatever. There was never a defense against someone willing to take whatever money is there to go where he wants.

For a guy who talked retirement it’s not that hard to believe. If he can’t have all his money I guess he’d rather get his way than settle.

[Druckenmiller]

BREAKING NEWS!!

Kylie just updated his list! Facts:

1. Shanghai Sharks
2. Flat Earth Society
3. WNBA
4. The Moon.
5. Trump Rally

[Real Men Wear Green]

Honestly I get it. If he doesn’t need the difference in money he can go wherever he wants to be happy. Or as happy as his nature allows. And he’s a free agent again to do whatever. There was never a defense against someone willing to take whatever money is there to go where he wants.

For a guy who talked retirement it’s not that hard to believe. If he can’t have all his money I guess he’d rather get his way than settle.

And he can be that way but fans and analysts will continue to marvel at the combination of unreasonable and stupid behavior. Does he really not understand why the Nets don't want to hand him another max right now or understand his own culpability? His inability to look in the mirror isn't healthy.

[8Ball]

https://sports.yahoo.com/windhorst-don-t-rule-kyrie-002621179.html

:oldlol:

What else is new.


Scoring first players need elite playmakers around them in order to be successful.

[Axe]

BREAKING NEWS!!

Kylie just updated his list! Facts:

1. Shanghai Sharks
2. Flat Earth Society
3. WNBA
4. The Moon.
5. Trump Rally
:roll:

Harlem globetrotters should be there as well.

[hold this L]

https://sports.yahoo.com/windhorst-don-t-rule-kyrie-002621179.html

:oldlol:
1. Loses 17 million due to vax mandates
2. Loses shoe deal that likely goes up to 100m over the years due to his antics
3. Lose 30m the next season for the mid-level exception

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