If Wiggins went back to Minnesota, everyone would say he sucks again

[3ba11]

Only Curry's dynasty system and winning spotlight inflates his stature and perception

18 on 45% in the Finals was below Wiggins' career averages, but everyone says he was amazing because he won.

The amazing thing is that Curry can win with secondary scorers at sidekick that get 18 on weak efficiency like Klay (15') or Wiggins (22')..

Ultimately, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand of ball to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen.. Otoh, ball-dominators like Lebron/Luka can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they need elite 1st options at sidekick like AD, Wade or Kyrie to nearly match them in the Finals.. They lack the brand of ball and elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

[1987_Lakers]

1-9

[houston]

you on point with this Wiggins stuff. If Leonard,Anthony,Zion,George played this year he wouldn't been all-star.

[Axe]

2022 wiggins > 2000 kobe

[warriorfan]

Only Curry's dynasty system and winning spotlight inflates his stature and perception

18 on 45% in the Finals was below Wiggins' career averages, but everyone says he was amazing because he won.

The amazing thing is that Curry can win with secondary scorers at sidekick that get 18 on weak efficiency like Klay (15') or Wiggins (22')..

Ultimately, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand of ball to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen.. Otoh, ball-dominators like Lebron/Luka can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they need elite 1st options at sidekick like AD, Wade or Kyrie to nearly match them in the Finals.. They lack the brand of ball and elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

100 percent. High iq take you won’t see on sports tv or radio.

[Axe]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history

[Lebron23]

1-9

[TheGoatest]

If jordon went back to the Bulls' pre-The Great Scott Pippen days, everyone would point out that he is yet to have a .500 season.

[HoopsNY]

You're not wrong entirely, but a little bit of context does matter. Wiggins showed up in some big spots and came up big defensively. Regardless of the team you play on, that will be recognized any way you look at it. It's something he didn't do well when playing alongside Butler and Towns in Minnesota, despite them being a playoff team. So, there should be some credit given to what he was able to do this postseason.

[Kblaze8855]

Nit everyone thought he sucked to begin with. I remember arguments from people acting like he was literally bad at basketball because fans can’t help but exaggerate are be dramatic.


https://youtu.be/AnTa55zQRSU



He then had another 40 literally the next night vs Denver.

People have trouble explaining themselves with anything but extremes. Overpaid and bad aren’t even related but so often people go the “He’s bad at that pay” route as if basketball playing ability and salary are the same thing.

You give a guy like Herro 200 million he’s a bad contract to have relative to what he does on the floor. He’s not bad at basketball. Just like a superstar still on a rookie deal is not GOAT tier. You aren’t your value relative to pay you are only your basketball. Wiggins has never been bad he’s had overly dramatic people and a smattering of stat nerds trying to rewrite what good is to fit a narrative.

Some of those Wiggins topics as recently as 2020 are hilarious and I was in some way before having to explain why he and several others were not actually bad. I think one centered on like…Jeff Malone and Wiggins per and me having to explain that Malone(a multiple time all star) wasn’t bad either.

Theres a few topics with Otto Porter and Wiggins being compared with it said Porter was way way better and had been for years and should be higher paid. Put ‘em on the same team one remains a role player and the other is an all star. Not like only one got the Warriors “magic” to work with.

Wiggins was just underrated by people who let advanced numbers take the place of their eyes for years. He wasn’t some great player in Minnesota but he was always good at basketball off sheer talent and athleticism he’s just not the type people wanna root for. Looked lazy at times. Giant contract. Shaky shot selection. A lot of things people don’t like. But it’s mixed with absurd athleticism and gifts you just don’t teach which people are also often unimpressed by because it raises the standards you find acceptable from them.

If Wiggins were the 19th pick he’d have had considerably less haters because expectation, contract, and relative value factor so much into peoples basketball discussion some people can’t separate them. People go the “Team building” route where they see a top pick and big contract on a non superstar and think “I can’t win a title that way. This guy sucks for what he costs/should be” and throw out that there are 300 people who play worse on a regular basis.

Your usefulness to hypothetical team building at your current contract is one thing. Basketball is another. Wiggins going 75% is better than most giving it their all and and seeing what’s left on the table annoys fans so much they talk up nobodies who can’t be what Wiggins has naturally on their best day.

Theres a reason guys like Wiggins get max contracts. Too talented not to pay just in case they figure it all out.

None of those annoying overpaid “He should be better…” max contract guys are bad at basketball. But feeeeeeelings won’t let some people see past the disappointment to the fact that most guys who max out their potential would still back those letdowns up on the same team because half the letdown is still more than the maxed out nobody.

Emotion really gets the best of a lot of fans.

[3ba11]

Nit everyone thought he sucked to begin with.





He's been the butt of jokes since he came in the league

One of the league's punching bags and low-hanging fruit for the media

Only Curry's dynasty system and winning spotlight inflates his stature and perception

18 on 45% in the Finals was below Wiggins' career averages, but everyone says he was amazing because he won.. This is similar to Pippen where everyone said he sucked when he left Chicago's dynasty system - he was literally nothing just like Wiggins outside of the Warriors.. Actually, Wiggins was still a 18-24 ppg player outside the dynasty system, while Pippen was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle.

[tpols]

The crazy thing is Klay only averaged 15 ppg in Currys first title in the Finals. I know people bring up the injuries but check this out:

Mozgov 14/8 on 55% shooting
Klay 15/4 on 41% shooting

Klay was literally outplayed by timofey mozgov.

Curry now has two GOAT carry jobs in addition to the KD GOAT dynasty titles.

[Kblaze8855]

Your selective concern over fan and media perception is amusing. The same advanced stat nerds who convinced the gullible that Andrew Wiggins was bad at basketball are the people convincing fans that LeBron is at least top three. You keep up the good fight though.

I gotta get to Costco….

[red1]

he got a ring made the all-star team and came through as the second best player on a championship team, balling in the finals against elite perimeter defenders in smart tatum and brown


he also had the dunk of the year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DwHxOTAMB8&ab_channel=GoldenStateWarriors

https://www.nbcsports.com/sites/rsnunited/files/styles/metatags_opengraph/public/article/hero/Andrew-Wiggins-Dunk-GETTY-1398739166.jpg


he officially dodged the bust label. phew. I dont know if we'd have been able to recover from wiggins and anthony bennett both, bennett who's gotta be the single biggest bust in NBA history



the toronto/ontario nba team right now would beat any other city's ball team

[Carbine]

Wiggins outplayed Tatum in the finals. That was the other teams best player in the Finals and Wiggins outplayed him. Not even debatable.

That's something Pippen never did.

[1987_Lakers]

What OP doesn't understand is that Wiggins didn't live up to the #1 pick, so he got alot of criticism despite playing decent when compared to other players, people expected more from him.

What OP also doesn't understand is that Wiggins' defense improved considerably with the Warriors, he wasn't the man defender in Minnesota like he is with the Warriors.

People have accepted he will never be the #1 guy on a team. Similar to Alex Smith in football, people labeled him a bust early on, but he still went on to have a solid career and media/fans accepted he was a solid QB, but never going to be an elite QB.

[SouBeachTalents]

The crazy thing is Klay only averaged 15 ppg in Currys first title in the Finals. I know people bring up the injuries but check this out:

Mozgov 14/8 on 55% shooting
Klay 15/4 on 41% shooting

Klay was literally outplayed by timofey mozgov.

Curry now has two GOAT carry jobs in addition to the KD GOAT dynasty titles.
Calling Curry's 2015 Finals a GOAT carry job, holy shit :lol

And of course, he flat out lies about Klay's ppg

[jayfan]

Only Curry's dynasty system and winning spotlight inflates his stature and perception

18 on 45% in the Finals was below Wiggins' career averages, but everyone says he was amazing because he won.

The amazing thing is that Curry can win with secondary scorers at sidekick that get 18 on weak efficiency like Klay (15') or Wiggins (22')..

Ultimately, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand of ball to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen.. Otoh, ball-dominators like Lebron/Luka can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they need elite 1st options at sidekick like AD, Wade or Kyrie to nearly match them in the Finals.. They lack the brand of ball and elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)


The fact that he won isn't why people think he played great.

Klay won, too. Nobody thinks he played great.


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[1987_Lakers]

The fact that he won isn't why people think he was great.

Klay won, too. Nobody thinks he was great.


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3ball flat out ignores the defense Wiggins played on Tatum. lol

[warriorfan]

3ball flat out ignores the defense Wiggins played on Tatum. lol

It was a group effort and Tatum was shook.

Check out Tatums numbers while guarded by Steph Curry during the series.

[red1]

It was a group effort and Tatum was shook.

Check out Tatums numbers while guarded by Steph Curry during the series.

man shut the **** up :roll:


never use the words curry and guarded again in the same sentence.

[tpols]

Calling Curry's 2015 Finals a GOAT carry job, holy shit :lol

And of course, he flat out lies about Klay's ppg

Where did I lie? 15.8 ppg on 41% shooting or 14.0 ppg on 55% shooting? Whats better? Mozgov outrebounded him too and was very good defending the rim as a 7 footer. Pretty clear cut klay was outplayed.

That's a GOAT carry job to win with a 2nd option like that. Even in Game 1 when Kyrie had 23/7/6 with 4 steals on 45% shooting... much better than Klay... but the warriors still won.

[1987_Lakers]

Where did I lie? 15.8 ppg on 41% shooting or 14.0 ppg on 55% shooting? Whats better? Mozgov outrebounded him too and was very good defending the rim as a 7 footer. Pretty clear cut klay was outplayed.

That's a GOAT carry job to win with a 2nd option like that. Even in Game 1 when Kyrie had 23/7/6 with 4 steals on 45% shooting... much better than Klay... but the warriors still won.

Ignores the fact that Curry didn't even win FMVP. lol

[tpols]

Ignores the fact that Curry didn't even win FMVP. lol

Curry led his team in production by a huge margin. His 2nd best teammate averaged 15.8 ppg on bummy shooting but Curry still led them,to victory. He put up that production while being doubled everywhere too which makes it even more impressive.

Giving Iggy FMVP for locking up LeBron and averaging 18 ppg would be like giving Wiggins FMVP for locking tatum up and averaging 18 ppg.

Curry was simply robbed that year and everybody knows it.

[SouBeachTalents]

Where did I lie? 15.8 ppg on 41% shooting or 14.0 ppg on 55% shooting? Whats better? Mozgov outrebounded him too and was very good defending the rim as a 7 footer. Pretty clear cut klay was outplayed.

That's a GOAT carry job to win with a 2nd option like that. Even in Game 1 when Kyrie had 23/7/6 with 4 steals on 45% shooting... much better than Klay... but the warriors still won.
Yeah bro, GOAT carry job when the other team was missing 2 of their 3 best players and Iggy was by FAR the 3rd best player in the series, and justified or not won FMVP. GOAT carry job.

[3ba11]

Calling Curry's 2015 Finals a GOAT carry job, holy shit :lol

And of course, he flat out lies about Klay's ppg


Curry defeated maximum defensive attention for the 2015 title by virtue of carrying the scoring load in playoffs and Finals (10 ppg more than 2nd leading scorer)

Ditto in 2022

So he has 2 carry-job rings (defeating maximum defensive attention) and this is a much less common way to win (harder).

Off-ball experts like Curry/MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand of ball to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen.. Otoh, ball-dominators like Lebron/Luka can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they need elite 1st options at sidekick like AD, Wade or Kyrie to nearly match them in the Finals.. They lack the brand of ball and elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

[rawimpact]

I don't think MN has the winning culture. That roster overall was so inexperienced, there was little veteran leadership. As time went on, both wiggins and KAT both just accepted being mediocre since their expectations were never set that high.

[ShawkFactory]

Where did I lie? 15.8 ppg on 41% shooting or 14.0 ppg on 55% shooting? Whats better? Mozgov outrebounded him too and was very good defending the rim as a 7 footer. Pretty clear cut klay was outplayed.

That's a GOAT carry job to win with a 2nd option like that. Even in Game 1 when Kyrie had 23/7/6 with 4 steals on 45% shooting... much better than Klay... but the warriors still won.

Are you supposed to be like this context guy? :lol

[tpols]

Are you supposed to be like this context guy? :lol

I gave you context. Even in the game Kyrie played in and totally outplayed klay, warriors still won. LeBron missed 20 shots in that game in single coverage. Warriors would've won anyway. And winning with Wiggins 18 ppg this year only reaffirmed it wasn't a fluke. Just another GOAT carry job.

[ShawkFactory]

I gave you context. Even in the game Kyrie played in and totally outplayed klay, warriors still won. LeBron missed 20 shots in that game in single coverage. Warriors would've won anyway. And winning with Wiggins 18 ppg this year only reaffirmed it wasn't a fluke. Just another GOAT carry job.

Mosgov “outplaying” Klay (which apparently is determined by FG% and rebounds...:lol) mean Lebron had as much help as Curry in those finals? That’s the depth on context you’re choosing to employ here?

We’ll call it selective context for you.

[warriorfan]

Mosgov “outplaying” Klay (which apparently is determined by FG% and rebounds...:lol) mean Lebron had as much help as Curry in those finals? That’s the depth on context you’re choosing to employ here?

We’ll call it selective context for you.

Klay played like shit bro. He had 15 ppg with wide open looks. Mosgov had a huge game where he scored 30 plus in a win. The fact that we are even able to have a conversation about how Tim Mosgov and Klay had similar level of performances speaks for itself.

[ShawkFactory]

Klay played like shit bro. He had 15 ppg with wide open looks. Mosgov had a huge game where he scored 30 plus in a win. The fact that we are even able to have a conversation about how Tim Mosgov and Klay had similar level of performances speaks for itself.

What does it speak? That people are really really awesome at ignoring most things about basketball? Both simple and complex.

[3ba11]

What does it speak? That people are really really awesome at ignoring most things about basketball? Both simple and complex.


The point is that no one expected the Warriors to do anything heading into the 15' season - Dray/Klay hadn't been all-stars and then Klay averaged 15 ppg when it mattered in the playoffs.

So they weren't a great cast but Curry's system and brand of ball makes them great - neither Klay not Dray would be nearly as good in a different system. And obviously, the same goes for Wiggins

[AlternativeAcc.]

The point is that no one expected the Warriors to do anything heading into the 15' season - Dray/Klay hadn't been all-stars and then Klay averaged 15 ppg when it mattered in the playoffs.

So they weren't a great cast but Curry's system and brand of ball makes them great - neither Klay not Dray would be nearly as good in a different system. And obviously, the same goes for Wiggins

Currys system was lottery last year and never won before iggy/klay/dray/Kerr showed up

So how system sucks and is reliant on the GOAT off ball player (klay) and one of the GOAT defenders Dray, and several other insane role players

Klay is the GOAT catch and shoot player and scored 60 in a game, 37 in a quarter... thats the GOAT shooter and everyone knows it. He's a great fit on any team in history and gets taken high in every all time draft for that reason.

[DMAVS41]

Sure, if went back and played like he did in 2018 and 2019 where he gave no effort to rebound, defend, or create for others...and just took a lot of shots...mainly long 2's to score an inefficient 18 a game. He deserved the criticism back then...and I remember people claiming he was good just because he'd show flashes of potential...granted that is a semantic thing focused on talent and not performance...

But to ignore the real changes he made to his game that started in the 2020 season and have continued since is absurd. It isn't solely a product of changing teams...although of course players can benefit from optimal situations...he clearly decided to change his game the summer before he got traded and he's turned himself into a player very few teams wanted anything to do with...to a player everyone would want

[Hey Yo]

Wiggins outplayed Tatum in the finals. That was the other teams best player in the Finals and Wiggins outplayed him. Not even debatable.

That's something Pippen never did.

Pippen outplayed Magic in the 91 Finals.

[Cali Syndicate]

Currys system was lottery last year and never won before iggy/klay/dray/Kerr showed up

So how system sucks and is reliant on the GOAT off ball player (klay) and one of the GOAT defenders Dray, and several other insane role players

Klay is the GOAT catch and shoot player and scored 60 in a game, 37 in a quarter... thats the GOAT shooter and everyone knows it. He's a great fit on any team in history and gets taken high in every all time draft for that reason.

Lottery? They were a +.500 team in the 21 srason and would've made the playoffs if not for the new play-in format.

[Gohan]

Wiggins outplayed Tatum in the finals. That was the other teams best player in the Finals and Wiggins outplayed him. Not even debatable.

That's something Pippen never did.

Jaylen is the better player hes just dark skinned

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lottery? They were a +.500 team in the 21 srason and would've made the playoffs if not for the new play-in format.

They lost two games to make the playoffs to Morant and LeBron hit a game winner in Currys face.

So they were lottery despite having two tries to make the playoffs

Klay and Dray are two of the most portable stars in NBA history and fit into any system... so 3ball is either lying or knows nothing about basketball.

[John8204]

Everyone would be dumb then...it's not like we haven't seen players get stuck Minnesota and under-perform and then leave and suddenly become championship level players. He's like the fifth guy to leave the team and win a conference or NBA title. Wiggins is likely going to make the Hall of Fame people cut him down way to quickly.

[3ba11]

Sure, if Wiggins went back and played like he did in 2018 and 2019





Regardless of what team Wiggins is on, he would be a secondary producer that averages about 18 ppg on sub-par efficiency

That kind of production from a sidekick requires the 1st option to carry the scoring load to win..

Unfortunately, ball-dominators like Lebron or Luka can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams - so they can't carry a secondary scorer like Wiggins and need elite 1st options at sidekick like Wade, AD or Kyrie that can nearly match them in the Finals.

Otoh, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they can carry a secondary producer like Wiggins or Pippen in the Finals

[AlternativeAcc.]

Regardless of what team Wiggins is on, he would be a secondary producer that averages about 18 ppg on sub-par efficiency

That kind of production from a sidekick requires the 1st option to carry the scoring load to win..

Unfortunately, ball-dominators like Lebron or Luka can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams - so they can't carry a secondary scorer like Wiggins and need elite 1st options at sidekick like Wade, AD or Kyrie that can nearly match them in the Finals.

Otoh, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they can carry a secondary producer like Wiggins or Pippen in the Finals

Lebrons 2-4th option ppg in 2013: 42ppg

Lebrons 2-4th option ppg in 2016: 47ppg

Curry 2-4th option ppg in 2022: 48ppg


You're making a fool of yourself.

[3ba11]

Lebrons 2-4th option ppg in 2013: 42ppg

Lebrons 2-4th option ppg in 2016: 47ppg

Curry 2-4th option ppg in 2022: 48ppg


You're making a fool of yourself.


If you're a GM of Lebron's team, you need an all-time scorer/producer like AD, Wade or Kyrie that can nearly match Lebron in the Finals, while the GM of Curry's team just needs a secondary scorer and lesser star like Wiggins, Klay or Pippen that doesn't need to get anywhere near the 1st option in production

It's easier to build around Curry because he can carry the scoring load (he can win without star scorers nearly matching him), while Lebron needs all+time scorers to nearly match him because he can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams

[AlternativeAcc.]

If you're a GM of Lebron's team, you need to find an all-time scorer/producer like AD, Wade or Kyrie that can nearly match Lebron in the Finals, while the GM of Curry's team just needs a secondary scorer and lesser star like Wiggins, Klay or Pippen that doesn't need to get anywhere near the 1st option in production

NBA isn't 2v2

So cherry-picking scoring from the top 2 guys is irrelevant

The scoring load is the total, and curry had more help while being the worst defender on his team and not the best playmaker

So lebron >>>>>>>> curry by miles

[3ba11]

NBA isn't 2v2

So cherry-picking scoring from the top 2 guys is irrelevant

The scoring load is the total, and curry had more help while being the worst defender on his team and not the best playmaker

So lebron >>>>>>>> curry by miles


It's easier to find a Wiggins-level player that doesn't get anywhere near Curry's scoring, than find HOF studs like AD, Wade or Kyrie to nearly match Lebron's scoring

Night and day... Curry is far superior because he obviously needs far less help

[AlternativeAcc.]

It's easier to find a Wiggins than find ready-made HOF studs like AD, Wade or Kyrie

Night and day... Curry is far superior because he obviously needs far less help

Every team has 2 stars

Only the Warriors have 5 all star caliber players and the most portable stars in history... night and day indeed

Saying Klay and Dray wouldn't be great in other systems is all-time bad take


There are more kyrie caliber players (no defense average passing) than two way studs like Wiggins... literally every team has a high scoring, no defense playing bum like Irving

[3ba11]

Every team has 2 stars

Only the Warriors have 5 all star caliber players and the most portable stars in history... night and day indeed

Saying Klay and Dray wouldn't be great in other systems is all-time bad take


There are more kyrie caliber players (no defense average passing) than two way studs like Wiggins... literally every team has a high scoring, no defense playing bum like Irving


Lebron needs a teammate to nearly match his scoring in the Finals

aka he needs a 1b, so guys like Klay, Wiggins or Pippen would never do (true 2nd options)

Only elite 1st options like AD, Wade or Kyrie are sufficient - these guys cost more

So Lebron < Curry because Lebron's skillset needs more help (he can't carry scoring load with sufficient brand to beat good teams)

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron needs a teammate to nearly match his scoring in the Finals

aka he needs a 1b, so guys like Klay, Wiggins or Pippen would never do (true 2nd options)

Only elite 1st options like AD, Wade or Kyrie are sufficient

So Lebron < Curry because Lebron's skillset needs more help (he can't carry scoring load with sufficient brand to beat good teams)

I already ethered that point.. Currys 2-4th options outscored lebrons 2-4th options...

Curry has MULTIPLE 2nd option caliber players whose scoring is spread out... which is for more impactful than just having one other 2nd option scorer

Curry wasn't even the leading scorer for half of his rings, and the other rings are asterisks

You lose

[3ba11]

I already ethered that point.. Currys 2-4th options outscored lebrons 2-4th options...

Curry has MULTIPLE 2nd option caliber players whose scoring is spread out... which is for more impactful than just having one other 2nd option scorer

You lose


That isn't a point and doesn't refute that Lebron can't win with secondary producers at sidekick like Wiggins, Klay or Pippen that average far less in the Finals - he needs elite 1st options that can nearly match him in the Finals.. Lebron's rudimentary skillset simply needs better teammates

[AlternativeAcc.]

That isn't a point and doesn't refute that Lebron can't win with secondary producers at sidekick like Wiggins, Klay or Pippen that average far less in the Finals - he needs elite 1st options that can nearly match him in the Finals.. Lebron's rudimentary skillset simply needs better teammates

He won with Wade scoring 19ppg in the finals, which is Klays career average in the finals despite playing on absurdly stacked teams and taking away shots

Curry has had the best help in NBA history by a wide margin... even more so than Jordan. Your points are whiffing badly

[3ba11]

He won with Wade scoring 19ppg in the finals, which is Klays career average in the finals despite playing on absurdly stacked teams and taking away shots

Curry has had the best help in NBA history by a wide margin... even more so than Jordan. Your points are whiffing badly


Wade averaged 20 and Lebron 25, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals)

His can't beat Finals teams while carrying the scoring load (too ball-dominant), so he he needs all-time scorers at sidekick to nearly match him in the Finals.

Essentially, he lacks the brand of ball and elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

[Carbine]

Didn't LeBron score 10 more ppg than his second option is 2013?

[ShawkFactory]

Didn't LeBron score 10 more ppg than his second option is 2013?

Yes he did in the playoffs. But since he did, the finals are then all that counts.

[3ba11]

Yes he did in the playoffs. But since he did, the finals are then all that counts.


The Finals is the championship level, aka the highest level

So Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals)

His ball-dominant brand can't beat Finals teams while carrying the scoring load,, so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick to nearly match him in the Finals.

Essentially, he lacks the brand of ball and elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

[red1]

The Finals is the championship level, aka the highest level

So Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals)

His ball-dominant brand can't beat Finals teams while carrying the scoring load,, so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick to nearly match him in the Finals.

Essentially, he lacks the brand of ball and elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

steve kerr disagrees. he says they feared lebron's jumpshot, not just his playmaking and finishing at the rim.


your arguments are always so retarded. 4 finals MVPs later and still spewing and spinning the same shit :oldlol:

[3ba11]

steve kerr disagrees. he says they feared lebron's jumpshot, not just his playmaking and finishing at the rim.





Lebron's jumpshot is exactly what kerr DIDN'T fear, which is why Kerr didn't double Lebron (stats here (http://a2.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fmedia%2FscGraphics%2F2015%2F06%2F11%2FFS_ 1PM_NBA_061115_LeBron_James_touches_1434037356076. jpg&w=570))

You're simply forgetting that penetrators are met at the rim with multiple defenders, so only hot jumpshooters require getting the ball out of their hands - that ISN'T lebron - no one fears his jumper getting hot, which is why he isn't feared like Kobe, Luka, MJ and other more pure scorers.

[Axe]

Lebron's jumpshot is exactly what kerr DIDN'T fear, which is why Kerr didn't double Lebron (stats here (http://a2.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fmedia%2FscGraphics%2F2015%2F06%2F11%2FFS_ 1PM_NBA_061115_LeBron_James_touches_1434037356076. jpg&w=570))

You're simply forgetting that penetrators are met at the rim with multiple defenders, so only hot jumpshooters require getting the ball out of their hands - that ISN'T lebron - no one fears his jumper getting hot, which is why he isn't feared like Kobe, Luka, MJ and other more pure scorers.
1-9

[red1]

Lebron's jumpshot is exactly what kerr DIDN'T fear, which is why Kerr didn't double Lebron (stats here (http://a2.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fmedia%2FscGraphics%2F2015%2F06%2F11%2FFS_ 1PM_NBA_061115_LeBron_James_touches_1434037356076. jpg&w=570))

You're simply forgetting that penetrators are met at the rim with multiple defenders, so only hot jumpshooters require getting the ball out of their hands - that ISN'T lebron - no one fears his jumper getting hot, which is why he isn't feared like Kobe, Luka, MJ and other more pure scorers.

nah you're wrong, its a pick your poison. and you also lied because kerr said they did fear his jumpshot.


pop said the same thing about lebron. said you just had to tip your hat. he made every jumpshot. pop said after the game 7 "thats just the greatness of a superstar, you have to live with it" its on video :oldlol:



I post this gif a lot because it proves you wrong, right then and there. this is game 7 of the NBA finals so there IS no higher level - you ****ing retard :oldlol:


https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/06/lebron31.gif

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just deal with it, we all know you cried just like skip when this happened.


and unlike baldan he didnt need to push off on byron russell

https://images.latintimes.com/sites/latintimes.com/files/0/74/7427.jpg

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVLtuHyWAAIsZeO.jpg