Build a Team around Steph, Lebron or Duncan?

[Big164]

Which one is best?

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron
Duncan










Steph

[plowking]

Steph.

LeBron is the best player out of the bunch, but having LeBron on your team comes with all the other bullshit.

[kawhileonard2]

Why would you ever build around Lebron when you know you won't get more than 1 title in 11 years and that he will leave your franchise several times?

[rmt]

Duncan
1. loyal
2. defensive anchor
3. NBA ready (great) from the moment he stepped foot on the court
4. laid the foundation for almost 2 decades of never missing the playoffs
5. brought you 5 championships

Steph
1. loyal
5. brought you 4 championships

Lebron
3. NBA ready (great) from beginning
5. brought you 1 championship

[red1]

look at the franchises they were drafted to and the help they got in their first 7 years


klay iggy dray kerr

robinson, ginobili, parker

vs

mo williams and larry hughes :roll:




of course you aren't winning rings with that.




still carried them to a ring and the only 3-1 finals comeback. plus 3 other finals with ridiculously lopsided odds in '07, '17 and '18

[hold this L]

LeQuitter will run away to another team as soon as he thinks his chance to win a ring is gone. He shouldn't even be part of the poll.

[red1]

lebron being drafted by the spurs or the warriors with those rosters and against that competition - aka himself, they both played against him with far better teams - good lord he'd win 5 or 6 rings apiece easy with that help


that would be a much better fit than the heat or the always injured kyrie and AD. MUCH better. :roll:

[red1]

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[hold this L]

lebron being drafted by the spurs or the warriors with those rosters and against that competition - aka himself, they both played against him with far better teams - good lord he'd win 5 or 6 rings apiece easy with that help


that would be a much better fit than the heat or the always injured kyrie and AD. MUCH better. :roll:
Poor Bob, in that timeline the guy is jobless after LeGM infiltrates the front office and never allows him make the moves he wants to. Also Kerr would get fired after 1 season.

[red1]

Poor Bob, in that timeline the guy is jobless after LeGM infiltrates the front office and never allows him make the moves he wants to. Also Kerr would get fired after 1 season.

:oldlol:



lebron playing with klay thompson good lord. they'd destroy teams. :roll:

[hold this L]

two of my favorite NBA gifs

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Great choice :bowdown:

[Manny98]

Curry because he's the easiest to build around and the best offensively out of the 3

LeBron needs to be surrounded with certain players i.e spot up shooters

[rmt]

Some of you pretend that Lebron would have the patience to wait out:

1. the dead weight of Blair, Bonner and Richard Jefferson and development of Parker/Manu/Kawhi and luxury tax limitations
2. devastating injuries and player development

and not bail/team hop - instead of rebuilding. Ditto bad GMing.

[hold this L]

Some of you pretend that Lebron would have the patience to wait out:

1. the dead weight of Blair, Bonner and Richard Jefferson and development of Parker/Manu/Kawhi and luxury tax limitations
2. devastating injuries and player development

and not bail/team hop - instead of rebuilding. Ditto bad GMing.
Jordan Poole, Moody, Kuminga and Wiseman are all traded for an allstar last summer if he played with the Warriors and they missed the playoffs. Or he would threaten to leave if they don't follow LeGM's orders. All of that would happen after Kerr gets fired as well.

[plowking]

Some of you pretend that Lebron would have the patience to wait out:

1. the dead weight of Blair, Bonner and Richard Jefferson and development of Parker/Manu/Kawhi and luxury tax limitations
2. devastating injuries and player development

and not bail/team hop - instead of rebuilding. Ditto bad GMing.


While you pretend Duncan didn't get drafted onto what was essentially a 50 win team with an MVP calibre player right off the bat.

[red1]

Some of you pretend that Lebron would have the patience to wait out:

1. the dead weight of Blair, Bonner and Richard Jefferson and development of Parker/Manu/Kawhi and luxury tax limitations
2. devastating injuries and player development

and not bail/team hop - instead of rebuilding. Ditto bad GMing.

yeah he'd take being drafted to the spurs in a heartbeat.

[red1]

While you pretend Duncan didn't get drafted onto what was essentially a 50 win team with an MVP calibre player right off the bat.

duncan had david robinson right out of the gates :roll:

[kawhileonard2]

look at the franchises they were drafted to and the help they got in their first 7 years


klay iggy dray kerr

robinson, ginobili, parker

vs

mo williams and larry hughes :roll:




of course you aren't winning rings with that.




still carried them to a ring and the only 3-1 finals comeback. plus 3 other finals with ridiculously lopsided odds in '07, '17 and '18

You forgot Big Z, Ben Wallace, Shaq, Carlos Boozer, Antwan Jamison to name a few more guys.

Basically Lebron had a 4x Dpoy, 3x finals mvp’s, 1x league mvp winner on his squads.

[red1]

You forgot Big Z, Ben Wallace, Shaq, Antwan Jamison to name a few more guys.

Basically Lebron had a 4x Dpoy, 3x finals mvp’s, 1x league mvp winner on his squads.

I watched cavs games from 2004...


they were all washed up scrubs by the time they got to the cavs...


never say jamison ben wallace or shaq again...

[red1]

meanwhile kawhi is choking 3-1 leads in the playoffs in his prime :oldlol:

[tpols]

Which one is best?

What self respecting owner would take a guy who team hops all around the league in his prime? Not only on principle, but functionally... You re only getting on average 5 years out of this guy. Where as Curry and Duncan can give you ~15+ years.

Not even considering Curry and Duncan are cornerstones who can fit anywhere and provide ultimate chemistry ~ dynasty potential without superstar talent...

This question shouldve been Duncan or Curry.

Mods can you amend the title?

[tpols]

Duncan
1. loyal
2. defensive anchor
3. NBA ready (great) from the moment he stepped foot on the court
4. laid the foundation for almost 2 decades of never missing the playoffs
5. brought you 5 championships

Steph
1. loyal
5. brought you 4 championships

Lebron
3. NBA ready (great) from beginning
5. brought you 1 championship

:roll:

Straight ether.

[warriorfan]

Why are LeBron fans so bitter and catty all the time?

Interesting.

[rmt]

While you pretend Duncan didn't get drafted onto what was essentially a 50 win team with an MVP calibre player right off the bat.


yeah he'd take being drafted to the spurs in a heartbeat.


duncan had david robinson right out of the gates :roll:

Are you both saying Lebron wouldn't have bailed when DRob got old and before Parker and Manu developed? You conveniently forget the years of losing to PHX in the first round, being swept by Shaq/Kobe/Lakers and losing again to them 4-1 the following year. Not to mention the dog years of Bonner/Blair/Richard Jefferson before the development of Kawhi.

We have a 19 year history of staying on the same team through thick and thin/ups and downs vs a 19 year career of bailing and team hopping to 4 different teams.

[1987_Lakers]

Are you both saying Lebron wouldn't have bailed when DRob got old and before Parker and Manu developed?

Spurs won a championship in D-Rob's last season when he was old.. Another one just 2 years later when Manu and Parker were developing into nice players, Manu in particular was already a beast by 2005

It's like people forget LeBron spent his first 7 years in the league with one franchise that was terribly ran.

[red1]

Duncan had a great career I'm just saying other legends didn't need to team hop because they had better organizations and talent

winning in cleveland is like KG bringing a ring to the Timberwolves

[red1]

If lebron stuck with mo williams as his number two he'd end up like Barkley - now he has 4 finals MVPs and his rightful place as arguable GOAT

plus a ring for his hometown and home state. no other legend does.


smart man.

[rmt]

How do you both explain Lebron leaving Miami Heat with Wade and Bosh?

[Big164]

I watched cavs games from 2004...


they were all washed up scrubs by the time they got to the cavs...


never say jamison ben wallace or shaq again...

2010 Shaq 12ppg, 6.7 rpg 56%

2003 Robinson 8.5ppg, 6.5 rpg 47%

Give Duncan that version of Shaq and he 3peats.

[red1]

How do you both explain Lebron leaving Miami Heat with Wade and Bosh?

easy. with wade and bosh's blessing. riley was the only one who was salty, and that's because he's so competitive. and they made up right after.


wade knew he was on the decline and bosh was having health issues as well - meanwhile bron was in his prime and siezed an opportunity to redeem his hometown now that they FINALLY had some pieces and talent.


lebron is too good for a team to tank with him on it so they were the definition of a talentless treadmill team. mo ****ing williams and delonte west the best players on that dogshit team. :oldlol:



and lets be honest - the only reason the haters are even salty is because they ran out of their lame ringless jokes from 2009 :roll:

[rmt]

Spurs won a championship in D-Rob's last season when he was old.. Another one just 2 years later when Manu and Parker were developing into nice players, Manu in particular was already a beast by 2005

It's like people forget LeBron spent his first 7 years in the league with one franchise that was terribly ran.

Duncan did a CARRY job/heavy lifting when DRob was old and Parker/Manu were 2nd and 1st year players. He averaged 24.7 pts (10 more than 2nd scorer Parker), 15.4 rebs, 5.3 asst, 3.3 blks on 53%FG.

How do you explain the other 12 years of Lebron's career? Are you saying that Riley and Spo ran the Heat terribly? Please explain why he bailed on the Heat - Miamians (me) want to know.

[rmt]

Perhaps Lebron bailed the Heat when Wade and Bosh had served their purpose and he could see the writing on the wall (their decline) - on to fresher, younger pastures. Maybe he was disappointed in the "not 5, not 6, not 7" but BARELY 2 rings.

It's difficult to compare a player who hops around ring chasing against those who stay with one team enduring the inevitable ups and downs. And the latter is what one should want to build YOUR team around - not one who will leave your team after x years.

[red1]

Perhaps Lebron bailed the Heat when Wade and Bosh had served their purpose and he could see the writing on the wall (their decline) - on to fresher, younger pastures. Maybe he was disappointed in the "not 5, not 6, not 7" but BARELY 2 rings.

It's difficult to compare a player who hops around ring chasing against those who stay with one team enduring the inevitable ups and downs. And the latter is what one should want to build YOUR team around - not one who will leave your team after x years.

bro he was absolutely backpacking those heat at times. there were even times bosh went down and they didnt have a single serviceable big-man on their team. or any good pointguard defenders, to be fair and chalmers and norris cole were very solid but the league was full of elite pointguards.


he was blocking centers and guarding quick point guard like tony parker.

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[red1]

locked tony parker down in the final play of game 6. parker couldnt get a real shot off, and if he scored the spurs would have won the series.

parker was cooking everyone that playoff run - again, couldn't score on lbj to win the series:


https://youtu.be/H56iR3188P0?t=6783

[Johnny32]

LeBron is the best player and the easiest to build around. He also covers up the most flaws in a bad roster with his ability to do pretty much anything a team needs on a basketball court. TD would be second with his two way all nba ability. Curry is last and it isn't really close.

[red1]

locked that boy down and then mean-mugging on the bench :roll:


https://youtu.be/H56iR3188P0?t=6826

[red1]

he remembers that finals MVP for tony parker when the spurs ganged up on him 4v1 in 2007 :oldlol:


https://youtu.be/H56iR3188P0?t=6826

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[Spurs m8]

No one is building around the guy that underachieves, depletes your assets and then quits when it's too hard

[8Ball]

If LeBron had Duncan's teams LeBron would have 7-8 championships by now.

[Axe]

Curry needs bonafide all-star teammates who are willing to be reduced as regular screensetters for him in order for his team to become successful in the playoffs.

The two other guys, meanwhile, just probably need a ball.

[bison]

look at the franchises they were drafted to and the help they got in their first 7 years


klay iggy dray kerr

robinson, ginobili, parker

vs

mo williams and larry hughes :roll:




of course you aren't winning rings with that.




still carried them to a ring and the only 3-1 finals comeback. plus 3 other finals with ridiculously lopsided odds in '07, '17 and '18

so klay and dray were able to develop and grow as stars and role players along side curry, while duncan was able to anchor a system where ginobli and parker could flourish. why couldn't lebron do the same with hughes and mo williams, both talented players on their own? if anything this post is an argument AGAINST building a team around lebron :facepalm:

[Johnny32]

so klay and dray were able to develop and grow as stars and role players along side curry, while duncan was able to anchor a system where ginobli and parker could flourish. why couldn't lebron do the same with hughes and mo williams, both talented players on their own? if anything this post is an argument AGAINST building a team around lebron :facepalm:

what a great argument that would be.

hurrr, you can't build around the guy who led 5 different second options to the finals (hughes, wade, kyrie, love, ad), durrr.

[ClipperRevival]

LeQuitter will run away to another team as soon as he thinks his chance to win a ring is gone. He shouldn't even be part of the poll.

True

[ClipperRevival]

Duncan - Loyal, GOAT tier at 2 positions, longevity

Curry - Loyal, GOAT shooter and gravity




LeBron - Jump ship in a few seasons, leave franchise in shambles

[HoopsNY]

This is actually a harder question than I thought. For one, LeBron is clearly the best player out of all 3. However, Steph's defensive attention and ability to play off the ball is such an immense intangible that simply can't be ignored.

But then, there's Tim Duncan, who was an elite player immediately in the NBA, had one of the most impressive runs in 1999, beating Kevin Garnett, and then sweeping the Lakers (who had peak Shaq, Rice, and Kobe), and then thumping the Knicks who had Marcus Camby on him for most of the series.

Then in 2003, he has the GOAT ring, and this is before another 3 titles in 4 appearances. What makes Duncan so impressive is that he reduced his role in order to facilitate the Pop system, both for Parker/Ginobili, and for Pop's version of load management, which seemingly helped their team.

You can't ignore Tim Duncan's selflessness and the Spurs ability to win titles with guys like Parker and Ginobili, who no one considers to be elite players.

Compare that with LeBron who seems to need a much more varied mix of stars, superstars, and or shooters in order to develop a winning combination. I think that's a lot harder than what Duncan was able to do.

[HoopsNY]

so klay and dray were able to develop and grow as stars and role players along side curry, while duncan was able to anchor a system where ginobli and parker could flourish. why couldn't lebron do the same with hughes and mo williams, both talented players on their own? if anything this post is an argument AGAINST building a team around lebron :facepalm:

I think a better example is that of Ingram/Ball/Kuzma. You're not wrong in bringing up those guys in his early Cleveland days, and that is why I feel Duncan is more suitable to build around. LeBron seems to need a more mixed batch of guys before it can produce a championship (let alone a dynasty) franchise.

[HoopsNY]

I watched cavs games from 2004...


they were all washed up scrubs by the time they got to the cavs...


never say jamison ben wallace or shaq again...

Jamison was a 21/9 player with Washington before joining LeBron. Given his jump shooting ability, intuition would tell you that he would be a great fit. That didn't really happen. Shaq and Wallace are kinda irrelevant though.

[HoopsNY]

What self respecting owner would take a guy who team hops all around the league in his prime? Not only on principle, but functionally... You re only getting on average 5 years out of this guy. Where as Curry and Duncan can give you ~15+ years.

Not even considering Curry and Duncan are cornerstones who can fit anywhere and provide ultimate chemistry ~ dynasty potential without superstar talent...

This question shouldve been Duncan or Curry.

Mods can you amend the title?

This is true.

[Axe]

What self respecting owner would take a guy who team hops all around the league in his prime? Not only on principle, but functionally... You re only getting on average 5 years out of this guy. Where as Curry and Duncan can give you ~15+ years.

Not even considering Curry and Duncan are cornerstones who can fit anywhere and provide ultimate chemistry ~ dynasty potential without superstar talent...

This question shouldve been Duncan or Curry.

Mods can you amend the title?
How many rings did kobe get without phil jackson and the triangle?

[HoopsNY]

How do you both explain Lebron leaving Miami Heat with Wade and Bosh?

Or telling Magic Johnson that he'd be a part of growing the young core, and then throwing them under the bus. I have yet to see an explanation there.

[FKAri]

Jordan Poole, Moody, Kuminga and Wiseman are all traded for an allstar last summer if he played with the Warriors and they missed the playoffs. Or he would threaten to leave if they don't follow LeGM's orders. All of that would happen after Kerr gets fired as well.

Kerr wouldn't get fired. Lebron isn't letting a shooter of that calibre simply walk. He'd be suiting up to spot up from the corner.


Or telling Magic Johnson that he'd be a part of growing the young core, and then throwing them under the bus. I have yet to see an explanation there.

Crazy. Who woulda known Magic would be a bigger cancer than Lebron? Bird > Magic. On the court and in the FO.

[LeGoat4Life]

Can’t go wrong with either Duncan or steph

Lol it’s already proven Lebron isn’t an alpha. You can’t build around this kid

He is a supporting cast you add to your team. Aka wade Miami and Ad’s Lakers

[Johnny32]

hurrr, dUh GuY wHo WeNt To 10 FiNaLs WiTh 5 DiFfErEnT sEcOnD oPtIoNs/RoLe PlAyErS iS hArD tO bUiLd ArOuNd, durrr.

[Nike D'Antoni]

BY Order

1 - Lebron
2 - Duncan
3 - Curry

[Axe]

It seems kelly '> klay' oubre jr. didn't like being reduced to a screensetting role bt. :ohwell:

[kawhileonard2]

Duncan
Curry
Lebron

No way I'd ever build around Lebron. Dude would always have a suitcase around to move to next destination despite playing with stars and hall of famers.