Let's compare Amar'e and Lebron at 22 yrs old against Spurs

[3ba11]

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Amar'e vs 05' Spurs...... 37/10 on 55%

Lebron vs 07' Spurs....... 22/7 on 36%


#itscalledfraud

[And1AllDay]

no

compare 1-9

[RRR3]

So your position is that Amare Stoudemire is better than LeBron James? And you expect to be taken seriously?


Definitely in a nursing home.

[3ba11]

So your position is that Amare Stoudemire is better than LeBron James? And you expect to be taken seriously?


Definitely in a nursing home.


No, Amar'e wasn't better, but Lebron shouldn't get a pass for 2007 - it should be a black mark - tons of guys were killing championship teams at that age like Magic, Amar'e, or MJ, so Lebron was a massive bed-wetter (until the "decision" to start stacking the deck)

[And1AllDay]

No, Amar'e wasn't better, but Lebron shouldn't get a pass for 2007 - it should be a black mark - tons of guys were killing championship teams at that age like Magic, Amar'e, or MJ, so Lebron was a massive bed-wetter (until the "decision" to start stacking the deck)

1-9 is a poo stain skidmark


deal with it

[Bawkish]

Bron won't even punch a fire extinguisher, he only punches white boards

what a beta

[3ba11]

1-9 is a poo stain skidmark


deal with it


It's literally nothing and that makes you a dumbass

Jordan only dominated - he never averaged 22 on 36%

[And1AllDay]

It's literally nothing and that makes you a dumbass

Jordan only dominated - he never averaged 22 on 36%

how am i a dumbass when he played ten playoff games before the pippen arrival and he won 1 game out of ten? that makes 1-9


its not fake i hate to break it to you that its the truth

[3ba11]

how am i a dumbass when he played ten playoff games before the pippen arrival and he won 1 game out of ten? that makes 1-9


its not fake i hate to break it to you that its the truth


Lebron needed a lot more help than MJ to make playoffs or win a title

And Lebron went 1-9 in his prime with super-teams, MJ had 8 seeds before his prime

[Bacchus]

no

compare 1-9

Lebron would of started his career in the playoffs at 0-8 . If he made it that is

Lebron also has a Bronze. Deal with it

[red1]

OP you are such a clown :roll:

[red1]

amare had marion nash barbosa bell


so good role-players and two stars in nash and marion



meanwhile


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/khW04EiWE3o/maxresdefault.jpg

[red1]

mike brown and boobie gibson :roll:



that must have been the easiest game-plan ever for pop and the '07 spurs coaching staff.


"they're dogshit, absolute dogshit compared to some of the teams we've beaten, like the shaq and kobe lakers, and the pistons - everyone put 100% of your attention on the future GOAT and this will be an easy sweep"

[3ba11]

mike brown and boobie gibson :roll:



that must have been the easiest game-plan ever for pop and the '07 spurs coaching staff.


"they're dogshit, absolute dogshit compared to some of the teams we've beaten, like the shaq and kobe lakers, and the pistons - everyone put 100% of your attention on the future GOAT and this will be an easy sweep"


That's why I always harp on beating maximum defensive attention - Lebron always wet the bed when he faced maximum defensive attention (07' and 15' Finals)

Lebron actually has 3 series that he lost because he shot under 40% (07', 08', 15').. Otoh, MJ and Kobe never lost because they shot under 40%

Ultimately Lebron lacks the elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attention..

Furthermore, ball-dominators like Luka/Lebron can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they need all-time scorers and elite 1st options at sidekick that can nearly match their Finals scoring.. Otoh, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen

[red1]

this guy lives in an alternate reality.


3ball just because you repeat something doesnt make it true.


the so called fraud is a better player than your idol.



you dedicated your life to stacking Ls - we beat you on every level. :roll:

[3ba11]

3ball just because you repeat something doesnt make it true.





It's a fact..

Lebron can't get a pass for the 07' Finals because Amar'e dominated the same opponent at the same age and many other guys dominated great champions at 20-23 years old.. So the media just protects Lebron, but he's clearly a fraud..

4 chips in 20 seasons is a JOKE.. Not even top 10 winning frequency despite great supporting talent due to poor brand of ball

[SouBeachTalents]

Could you pick a more arbitrary and meaningless comparison :lol Guys playing different positions, in different seasons, with different responsibilities, supporting casts and team strategies.

How about this one

vs. 2006 Suns

Kobe: 28/6/5 59%TS 5 TO's
Brand: 31/10/4/3 63%TS 2 TO's

And this wasn't a pre prime version like LeBron, this was apex Kobe.

[red1]

It's a fact..

Lebron can't get a pass for the 07' Finals because Amar'e dominated the same opponent at the same age and many other guys dominated great champions at 20-23 years old.. So the media just protects Lebron, but he's clearly a fraud..

4 chips in 20 seasons is a JOKE.. Not even top 10 winning frequency despite great supporting talent due to poor brand of ball

no it isnt you moron. you're still playing revisionist history and still not giving proper credit where it is due. and you lie and you flip-flop. waste of time arguing with you when you will ignore blatant facts to fit your agenda.


jordan's competition was dogshit compared to lebron's competition. lebron has an accolade that jordan can only dream of in his wildest fantasies by beating the team with the most wins in NBA history.


who did jordan beat?



lebron would have 8 rings if he was playing on a team that could win 55-games without him the way pippen's bulls won 55-games without jordan



and he'd have 8 rings if he played the kareem-less declined lakers and the hornacek stockton jazz being the best teams he went up against in the finals.

[Hey Yo]

2006... Amar'e only played 3 regular season games and PHX still won 54gms.

2011.... LeBron played zero games for the Cavs and they only won 19gms.

eot

[red1]

lebron was the best player in 8 finals (2012-2018, 2020)


jordan was the best player in only 6 finals :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

Could you pick a more arbitrary and meaningless comparison :lol Guys playing different positions, in different seasons, with different responsibilities, supporting casts and team strategies.

How about this one

vs. 2006 Suns

Kobe: 28/6/5 59%TS 5 TO's
Brand: 31/10/4/3 63%TS 2 TO's

And this wasn't a pre prime version like LeBron, this was apex Kobe.

Yea I bet he could

[3ba11]

Could you pick a more arbitrary and meaningless comparison :lol Guys playing different positions, in different seasons, with different responsibilities, supporting casts and team strategies.

How about this one

vs. 2006 Suns

Kobe: 28/6/5 59%TS 5 TO's
Brand: 31/10/4/3 63%TS 2 TO's

And this wasn't a pre prime version like LeBron, this was apex Kobe.


Yeah but Kobe didn't need a "pass" for that performance

Whereas Lebron needed a pass because he wet the bed.

However, guys like Amar'e, Magic, MJ and others prove that he doesn't deserve a pass

[Axe]

Imagine hating on kong and still making threads about him.

[3ba11]

Imagine hating on kong and still making threads about him.


Who is kong

[k0kakw0rld]

.
Amar'e vs 05' Spurs...... 37/10 on 55%

Lebron vs 07' Spurs....... 22/7 on 36%


#itscalledfraud
Someone needs to ban this fool.

Hey OP you are a fakkit

[k0kakw0rld]

no it isnt you moron. you're still playing revisionist history and still not giving proper credit where it is due. and you lie and you flip-flop. waste of time arguing with you when you will ignore blatant facts to fit your agenda.


jordan's competition was dogshit compared to lebron's competition. lebron has an accolade that jordan can only dream of in his wildest fantasies by beating the team with the most wins in NBA history.


who did jordan beat?



lebron would have 8 rings if he was playing on a team that could win 55-games without him the way pippen's bulls won 55-games without jordan



and he'd have 8 rings if he played the kareem-less declined lakers and the hornacek stockton jazz being the best teams he went up against in the finals.
Get em ����

[theballerFKA Ace]

So your position is that Amare Stoudemire is better than LeBron James? And you expect to be taken seriously?


Definitely in a nursing home.


Idk but Carmelo Anthony was better than Lebron in their first season AND had a much bigger impact on his team's success in a MUCH tougher conference yet "The King" somehow walked away with ROY.

[k0kakw0rld]

It's a fact..

Lebron can't get a pass for the 07' Finals because Amar'e dominated the same opponent at the same age and many other guys dominated great champions at 20-23 years old.. So the media just protects Lebron, but he's clearly a fraud..

4 chips in 20 seasons is a JOKE.. Not even top 10 winning frequency despite great supporting talent due to poor brand of ball

No one cares. Nobody in the history of the league got more scrutinized than LeBron. Amaretto came into the league with the expectations of him being the next GOAT.

37/10 and what? Were they defending him the way they defended LeBron?

The answer is no, STFU OP.

4 championships 3 different franchise.

Won at least 1 ring with every franchise he played for.

What did Jordan do with the Wozards? Ah okay!!

[Axe]

Who is kong
Dumb.

[2much_knowledge]

Lebron would of started his career in the playoffs at 0-8 . If he made it that is

Lebron also has a Bronze. Deal with it

And he is done. Smoked lol

[kawhileonard2]

.
Amar'e vs 05' Spurs...... 37/10 on 55%

Lebron vs 07' Spurs....... 22/7 on 36%


#itscalledfraud

What a post!

[kawhileonard2]

lebron was the best player in 8 finals (2012-2018, 2020)


jordan was the best player in only 6 finals :oldlol:

Kawhi Finals mvp
Iggy Finals mvp
Durant Finals mvp
Durant Finals mvp

[RRR3]

Idk but Carmelo Anthony was better than Lebron in their first season AND had a much bigger impact on his team's success in a MUCH tougher conference yet "The King" somehow walked away with ROY.
Reckless exaggeration and LeBron was easily twice as good or more every other year of their careers so…

[SouBeachTalents]

Reckless exaggeration and LeBron was easily twice as good or more every other year of their careers so…
What a weird thing to meltdown about too, who the fck cares who wins ROY :lol Talk about an irrelevant award.

[2much_knowledge]

no it isnt you moron. you're still playing revisionist history and still not giving proper credit where it is due. and you lie and you flip-flop. waste of time arguing with you when you will ignore blatant facts to fit your agenda.


jordan's competition was dogshit compared to lebron's competition. lebron has an accolade that jordan can only dream of in his wildest fantasies by beating the team with the most wins in NBA history.


who did jordan beat?



lebron would have 8 rings if he was playing on a team that could win 55-games without him the way pippen's bulls won 55-games without jordan



and he'd have 8 rings if he played the kareem-less declined lakers and the hornacek stockton jazz being the best teams he went up against in the finals.

Humm budy.... theres this thing called playoffs and in case you havent heard, not every finals team is the tougher challenge

And for the record , q three peat is way harder than beating a 73 win team with the help of the league.... let alone 2 three peats lol

[Baller789]

Humm budy.... theres this thing called playoffs and in case you havent heard, not every finals team is the tougher challenge

And for the record , q three peat is way harder than beating a 73 win team with the help of the league.... let alone 2 three peats lol

Conveniently red1 glosses over the fact that Lebron basically gets a bye to the NBA Finals annually by that "dogs!t" Conference he played in.

This is supported by his poor Finals win%.

[sdot_thadon]

Trying to understand the thought process of OP and wtf one would do this to themselves on a daily basis. You should be tired of the beatings by this time man.

[LeGoat4Life]

lebron was the best player in 8 finals (2012-2018, 2020)


jordan was the best player in only 6 finals :oldlol:

Abu with another meltdown talking out of his brown ass

[3ba11]

Trying to understand the thought process of OP and wtf one would do this to themselves on a daily basis. You should be tired of the beatings by this time man.


I destroy you guys everyday with facts and you guys respond with 1-9

I ragdoll the shit out of you guys daily - that's the only reason that I come on here - to ground and pound the shit out of you and clown you for supporting one of the biggest frauds in sports history

You support a bum that never learned how to win (organic) - he never learned the necessary teammate fits, development or brand of ball (he's bad at team assists), so he had low team ceilings/Finals records

See - I just ragdolled you again.

Anyone can read the exchanges and see that I'm debating honestly and you guys are like "1-9" and getting destroyed

Sorry, but 1-9 isn't destroying anyone, so keep pretending




Trying to understand the thought process of OP and wtf one would do this to themselves on a daily basis. You should be tired of the beatings by this time man.


Keep supporting an obvious fraud that has turned the NBA into WWE

Heck, Durant's career would've shot into the stratosphere if he won organically with Westbrook in 2012, but Lebron's colluded super-team stole Durant's organic chip ..

Ditto for Duncan in 13' and Curry in 16'..

Imagine if you were at the top of an industry when your primary competition starts colluding - you would have to respond in kind or get left behind.. Durant finally responded in 2017 by forming his own super-team, but it was too late - every move that Durant makes is a step behind Lebron's because Lebron was a 1st mover in the colluding space (6 year headstart)- this was a massive advantage and it makes all of Durant's moves look super-late and overall bad - he's clawing desperately from behind.. The reality is that he should've immediately formed his own veteran super-team when Lebron did in 2011 - that was Durant's only way to keep up - now he just looks bad.. :facepalm... All of the negative perception of Durant (his "quirkiness and sensitivity") is a misperception caused by him being late to the colluding party - he's rightfully salty about it

[red1]

Humm budy.... theres this thing called playoffs and in case you havent heard, not every finals team is the tougher challenge

And for the record , q three peat is way harder than beating a 73 win team with the help of the league.... let alone 2 three peats lol

blah blah blah shut the **** up


undisputed best player in the world for a decade



go correct 3ball's millions of inaccurate posts. I'm just posting facts.


73 wins is 73 wins. deal with it.

[red1]

Abu with another meltdown talking out of his brown ass

who the **** is this ***** and why are you responding to my post :oldlol:



shut the **** up you little bitch. nothing to add like usual - this is another dub for the fam. :oldlol:

[red1]

Conveniently red1 glosses over the fact that Lebron basically gets a bye to the NBA Finals annually by that "dogs!t" Conference he played in.

This is supported by his poor Finals win%.

played better teams, was an underdog in 7 finals by vegas odds so undeniable fact, teammates were constantly injured unlike jordan's cast who was never injured in any series.



ended up with 4 rings over-acheiving by 33%, was an iron man who never got injured and made 8 straight finals, was the best player in every one of those playoffs regular seasons and finals and ended up with 4 rings and 4 finals MVPs with an undefeated 2-0 finals record in game 7s against those dynasties. the only fair cracks at both, he won both. could have won 8 straight finals MVPs.



yeah he's GOATed.

[red1]

never had a single team who could win 50 games without him despite all of those claims of "stacked team-hopping"

wade kyrie and AD all were injured in crucial playoffs and finals that were opportunities lebron would have won if he had a healthy cast. bulls supporting stars were never injured in any meaningful series.



meanwhile pippen's bulls won 55 games and went game 7 of the eastern conference semi's barely skipping a beat without jordan


goes to show who had the real stacked cast - playing against old vets and white boys on the perimeter as his best finals competition - and we're talking hornacek and the jazz and not a young stud like luka :roll:

[2much_knowledge]

blah blah blah shut the **** up


undisputed best player in the world for a decade



go correct 3ball's millions of inaccurate posts. I'm just posting facts.


73 wins is 73 wins. deal with it.

73 wins shit if your playoffs record is average. 01 lakers went 16 - 1 , when it matters

[Baller789]

played better teams, was an underdog in 7 finals by vegas odds so undeniable fact, teammates were constantly injured unlike jordan's cast who was never injured in any series.



ended up with 4 rings over-acheiving by 33%, was an iron man who never got injured and made 8 straight finals, was the best player in every one of those playoffs regular seasons and finals and ended up with 4 rings and 4 finals MVPs with an undefeated 2-0 finals record in game 7s against those dynasties. the only fair cracks at both, he won both. could have won 8 straight finals MVPs.



yeah he's GOATed.

His team was also favorites to top the West last season. What happened to the "overachiever?"

And you bringing up the 8 straight finals appearances like a dumbass actually proves my point that your hero had a bye through the weak East and only reached the championship rounds that many times because of it. :roll:

[Baller789]

73 wins shit if your playoffs record is average. 01 lakers went 16 - 1 , when it matters

Facts. The Warriors that year were never unbeatable despite their regular season record. As shown by OKC.

[1987_Lakers]

73 wins shit if your playoffs record is average. 01 lakers went 16 - 1 , when it matters

Lakers went 15-1. Small correction.

That same 73 win team just won another title with them being much older.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Discredits the Bulls for not beating a 73-9 team, that's funny.

News flash you dummies the Bulls were the best team of THEIR time and ALL TIME... how can they defeat themselves?

Are you Bron fans seriously this stupid?

:facepalm

[red1]

Discredits the Bulls for not beating a 73-9 team, that's funny.

News flash you dummies the Bulls were the best team of THEIR time and ALL TIME... how can they defeat themselves?

Are you Bron fans seriously this stupid?

:facepalm

dude I'm not the one that asked jordan's main rival to be a grocery bagger



hows that my fault

[red1]

Discredits the Bulls for not beating a 73-9 team, that's funny.

News flash you dummies the Bulls were the best team of THEIR time and ALL TIME... how can they defeat themselves?

Are you Bron fans seriously this stupid?

:facepalm

22 amare or lebron, who was better?


who had a better team?



how about you address the OP, genius :roll:

[FilmyCogTurner]

dude I'm not the one that asked jordan's main rival to be a grocery bagger



hows that my fault

Jordans main rival was Magic Johnson. You know that mount Rushmore top five player of all time who even admitted himself that he was no match for Jordan.

And how are you not capable of separating a players grocery job from his play on the court? I will concede Starks had his short comings as a second option, especially when he was better suited as a third but you're kidding yourself if you don't think that he was a great competitor who made some big plays throughout his career.

[FilmyCogTurner]

22 amare or lebron, who was better?


who had a better team?



how about you address the OP, genius :roll:

3ball has a point. Because Lebron was 22 he gets a pass for his horrid play when it goes to show younger players were very capable of stellar play against superior teams.

Sure, Cavs take the 2007 L but Lebron did not play well that series. Not at all and if you think otherwise your dumber than I thought which is saying something.

[red1]

Jordans main rival was Magic Johnson. You know that mount Rushmore top five player of all time who even admitted himself that he was no match for Jordan.

And how are you not capable of separating a players grocery job from his play on the court? I will concede Starks had his short comings as a second option, especially when he was better suited as a third but you're kidding yourself if you don't think that he was a great competitor who made some big plays throughout his career.

never played magic in his prime.


how was magic his main rival. :oldlol:

[FilmyCogTurner]

never played magic in his prime.


how was magic his main rival. :oldlol:

Magic was coming off an MVP SEASON you dumbshit:roll:

[Axe]

played better teams, was an underdog in 7 finals by vegas odds so undeniable fact, teammates were constantly injured unlike jordan's cast who was never injured in any series.



ended up with 4 rings over-acheiving by 33%, was an iron man who never got injured and made 8 straight finals, was the best player in every one of those playoffs regular seasons and finals and ended up with 4 rings and 4 finals MVPs with an undefeated 2-0 finals record in game 7s against those dynasties. the only fair cracks at both, he won both. could have won 8 straight finals MVPs.



yeah he's GOATed.
Yet he's never played a dynasty doe. :oldlol:

[3ba11]

Yet he's never played a dynasty doe. :oldlol:


Lebron started those seasons as the preseason favorite (11-16', 20-22')

These preseason favorites fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16') and also 21' and 22'

TLDR: the "comp" argument can't be used for preseason favorites because that rewards underachieving the expectation

[Axe]

1-9

[red1]

Lebron started those seasons as the preseason favorite (11-16', 20-22')

These preseason favorites fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16') and also 21' and 22'

TLDR: the "comp" argument can't be used for preseason favorites because that rewards underachieving the expectation

grocery bagging rivals.


ringless without pippen.

[red1]

Magic was coming off an MVP SEASON you dumbshit:roll:

doesnt matter. he wasnt in his prime and he wasnt the MVP. Im using 3balls standards to take his soul - AGAIN.


and those lakers were the weakest version to make the finals.




not a 73-win team. better than the jazz with hornacek and stockton on the perimeter. still not a 73 win-team.

[sdot_thadon]

I destroy you guys everyday with facts and you guys respond with 1-9

Yeah sure, if by destroy you mean embarrassing yourself over what I'd ballpark at around half a million posts over a decade with weak nonsensical arguments rather than use the strong obvious ones sane people go with. Or by presenting "facts" you mean rounding down or completely posting incorrect numbers to fit your agenda because the truth doesn't work. Or maybe you destroy us by frantically editing or deleting posts altogether for odd reasons, yeah you sure showed us buddy. Nah it's gotta be the goalposts being on skates at all times, you got us there too. I think I got it, you mean by stumbling all over your own points in a manner so hypocritical it'd make a politician blush? You are the forum version of Wimp Lo:

https://i.postimg.cc/wTSJFJdB/u4a1TVa.gif



https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/business5/uploads/puzzlequest3/optimized/2X/a/a7c94f8712a1cccfa51730199c915a79d0d0caa1_2_690x436 .png


Nope.

[Axe]

Yeah sure, if by destroy you mean embarrassing yourself over what I'd ballpark at around half a million posts over a decade with weak nonsensical arguments rather than use the strong obvious ones sane people go with. Or by presenting "facts" you mean rounding down or completely posting incorrect numbers to fit your agenda because the truth doesn't work. Or maybe you destroy us by frantically editing or deleting posts altogether for odd reasons, yeah you sure showed us buddy. Nah it's gotta be the goalposts being on skates at all times, you got us there too. I think I got it, you mean by stumbling all over your own points in a manner so hypocritical it'd make a politician blush? You are the forum version of Wimp Lo:

https://i.postimg.cc/wTSJFJdB/u4a1TVa.gif



https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/business5/uploads/puzzlequest3/optimized/2X/a/a7c94f8712a1cccfa51730199c915a79d0d0caa1_2_690x436 .png


Nope.
He lacks self-awareness. If proven wrong, he'll just move the goalposts like he usually does.