Lebron-AD-Westbrook are failing worse than Durant-Kyrie-Harden

[3ba11]

The Lakers missed the play-in and will be nothing this year - they'll eventually blow up just like the Nets

So the media is just lying - they're undercovering the Lakers' failures and impending blow-up - they blame it on Westbrook when Lebron lacks the skills or IQ to fit with him

[1987_Lakers]

1-9

[Axe]

Uno

Nueve

[SouBeachTalents]

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[red1]

pippen led the bulls to game 7 of the eastern semifinals without baldan

[RRR3]

LeBron won a ring with just AD so the problem is obviously Westbrook. OP’s IQ is 13.

[red1]

pippen won 55 without baldan


baldan never won 50 without pippen



baldan is ringless without pippen

[3ba11]

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No one cares about the first couple years of a player's career


* goat team ceiling (6/6)

* 6 titles as the best player (most in 3-pointer history)

* The only player that never had a teammate lead in scoring for a series or playoff run

* The only player that never had a go-to teammate or elite-scoring teammate (lowest peak scoring capability of any sidekick, 22 ppg)

* The only player that never had a teammate ANYWHERE NEAR him in a series (carry-job in every series)

* Never lost as the favorite (only MJ did this)

* Never lost with good teams, aka 1 or 2 seed, or with an all-star teammate (except the migraine and baseball years - everyone else lost way more with all-star teammates)

[1987_Lakers]

No one cares about the first couple years of a player's career]
We care

[3ba11]

We care


Okay well Lebron was lottery with the East all-star center in 04' and 05'

The all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas needed to add a 22/6/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the 06' Playoffs.

So Lebron had 3 years to develop into a veteran, high seed before entering the playoffs, while Jordan was thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 with a 30-win 8 seed

Night and day ... But when Jordan had 3 healthy years to develop his team (88'), he made the 2nd Round just like Lebron.. The only difference is that Jordan was in a conference that required a super-team to win it, while Lebron played in a conference that 1-star teams were winning (Iverson, Dwight, Kidd)

Lebron's lottery seasons with the East all-star center in 2005 is one of many examples of Lebron underachieving the expectation.. His 1 seeds lost with homecourt in 09 and 10'.. Then his preseason favorites fall to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16').. Now he's lottery out West in 19' and 22' despite having teammates with all-star resumes just like 05'

[SouBeachTalents]

No one cares about the first couple years of a player's career


* goat team ceiling (6/6)

* 6 titles as the best player (most in 3-pointer history)

* The only player that never had a teammate lead in scoring for a series or playoff run

* The only player that never had a go-to teammate or elite-scoring teammate (lowest peak scoring capability of any sidekick, 22 ppg)

* The only player that never had a teammate ANYWHERE NEAR him in a series (carry-job in every series)

* Never lost as the favorite (only MJ did this)

* Never lost with good teams, aka 1 or 2 seed, or with an all-star teammate (except the migraine and baseball years - everyone else lost way more with all-star teammates)
* His team won 55 games without him despite retiring in his absolute prime a month before the season started

* Pippen was the best 2nd option in the majority of the Bulls series during their title run

* There's more to basketball than scoring

* Losing before the Finals counts too

* You're a fakkit

[ShawkFactory]

LeBron won a ring with just AD so the problem is obviously Westbrook. OP’s IQ is 13.

Umm..yea.

[3ba11]

* Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round and then borderline lottery in less than 18 months before MJ returned to restore 3-peat caliber

* Pippen was the only multiple-ring sidekick that wasn't a go-to player and never averaged elite ppg - he's the only sidekick that was carried in every series (never got close to the #1 option statistically in any series)

* 2nd scoring options are supposed to SCORE - otherwise they force the #1 option to defeat maximum defensive attention.. Pippen was never on the scouting report - he couldn't score at an elite level or even a decent level outside the triangle

* Losing with good teams is unacceptable, and Jordan is the only guy in history that never did it

* You're pretty wise





Fixed

[kawhileonard2]

The Lakers missed the play-in and will be nothing this year - they'll eventually blow up just like the Nets

So the media is just lying - they're undercovering the Lakers' failures and impending blow-up - they blame it on Westbrook when Lebron lacks the skills or IQ to fit with him

Agreed!

[kawhileonard2]

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

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[And1AllDay]

1-9

move on

[SATAN]

1-9

[kawhileonard2]

0-16 and 2 bronze medals.

[AirBonner]

Kawhi now 0-2 for getting off the bench. Maybe this is the year he plays