Tim Hardaway is now a hall of famer

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofcDilmJVMk Now that Tim Hardaway is now selected in the hall of fame. Chauncey Billups NBA Finals MVP, All Star, All NBA Team, and defensive team) , Kevin Johnson, Glenn Rice (NCAA Finals MVP, All Star MVP, NCAA and NBA Champion), and Tony Parker (Great player in international tournament, Former Finals MVP") might become future hall of famers soon".

[L.Kizzle]

Tony Parker is a lock IMO when he becomes eligible, I think next season. KJ and Billups are in the fence. Not sure about Rice. If he gets in, than you're looking at Danny Manning and Larry Johnson going in as well.

[Johnny32]

Tony Parker is a lock IMO when he becomes eligible, I think next season. KJ and Billups are in the fence. Not sure about Rice. If he gets in, than you're looking at Danny Manning and Larry Johnson going in as well.

he's in now...this yr.

[Johnny32]

i might be wrong lol maybe it's manu who just got in.

[John8204]

Well I guess Iggy 100% gets in now

[L.Kizzle]

Well I guess Iggy 100% gets in now
He's no where near the player Timmy was.

[John8204]

He's no where near the player Timmy was.

No he's better..Iggy has as many rings (4) than Hardaway has playoff series victories (4)

Points 15,373 (17.7 ppg)
Rebounds 2,855 (3.3 rpg)
Assists 7,095 (8.2 apg)

Points - 13,951
Rebound - 6,030
Assists - 5,128

[L.Kizzle]

No he's better..Iggy has as many rings (4) than Hardaway has playoff series victories (4)

Points 15,373 (17.7 ppg)
Rebounds 2,855 (3.3 rpg)
Assists 7,095 (8.2 apg)

Points - 13,951
Rebound - 6,030
Assists - 5,128
With all that posted, everyone knows Tim Hardaway was better. He peaked as an All-NBA 1st teamer in 1997. Had a 3 year stretch of 22/10/4.

[John8204]

With all that posted, everyone knows Tim Hardaway was better. He peaked as an All-NBA 1st teamer in 1997. Had a 3 year stretch of 22/10/4.

It's sort of the tail wagging the dog type thing when it comes to "all-nba"...you have a political aspect to "all-NBA"

3× NBA All-Star (1984, 1987, 1988)
Points 18,458 (20.0 ppg)
Rebounds 4,578 (5.0 rpg)
Assists 2,871 (3.1 apg)
2× NBA champion (1989, 1990)

4× NBA All-Star (1983–1985, 1987)
Points 13,790 (12.9 ppg)
Rebounds 10,400 (9.7 rpg)
Assists 2,184 (2.0 apg)
2× NBA champion (1989, 1990)

5× NBA All-Star (1991–1993, 1997, 1998)
Points 15,373 (17.7 ppg)
Rebounds 2,855 (3.3 rpg)
Assists 7,095 (8.2 apg)

Tim never won a title or came close but you look at the stat lines of two guys who were all-stars changed their games to win titles and they aren't in the hall. He's now the third Hall of Famer from run TMC feels more marketing than justified. And keep in mind...Reggie Miller, Chris Webber, Alonzo Mourning, Chris Mullin, Dirk Nowtizki, Steve Nash, Ron Artest, Mitch Richmond, Bruce Bowen, Jermaine O'Neal, Latrell Sprewell. Eddie Jones, Anthony Mason, Dan Margjle, Otis Thorpe, Jamal Mashburn...that's a staggering amount and variety of talent for a PG to have and to fail to win not a title...but to only make 1 run.

[warriorfan]

With all that posted, everyone knows Tim Hardaway was better. He peaked as an All-NBA 1st teamer in 1997. Had a 3 year stretch of 22/10/4.

Yeah. Tim Hardaway was a beast. I admit I’m biased because he was my favorite player growing up but he was on a different level then iggy. Anyone saying otherwise probably has Robert Horry over T-Mac. Glad to see he got in.

[L.Kizzle]

It's sort of the tail wagging the dog type thing when it comes to "all-nba"...you have a political aspect to "all-NBA"

3× NBA All-Star (1984, 1987, 1988)
Points 18,458 (20.0 ppg)
Rebounds 4,578 (5.0 rpg)
Assists 2,871 (3.1 apg)
2× NBA champion (1989, 1990)

4× NBA All-Star (1983–1985, 1987)
Points 13,790 (12.9 ppg)
Rebounds 10,400 (9.7 rpg)
Assists 2,184 (2.0 apg)
2× NBA champion (1989, 1990)

5× NBA All-Star (1991–1993, 1997, 1998)
Points 15,373 (17.7 ppg)
Rebounds 2,855 (3.3 rpg)
Assists 7,095 (8.2 apg)

Tim never won a title or came close but you look at the stat lines of two guys who were all-stars changed their games to win titles and they aren't in the hall. He's now the third Hall of Famer from run TMC feels more marketing than justified. And keep in mind...Reggie Miller, Chris Webber, Alonzo Mourning, Chris Mullin, Dirk Nowtizki, Steve Nash, Ron Artest, Mitch Richmond, Bruce Bowen, Jermaine O'Neal, Latrell Sprewell. Eddie Jones, Anthony Mason, Dan Margjle, Otis Thorpe, Jamal Mashburn...that's a staggering amount and variety of talent for a PG to have and to fail to win not a title...but to only make 1 run.
Bill Laimber and Mark Aguire are those other guys stats who have listed. What's political about making All NBA? Hell, Iggy made two All Defensive teams, the guy you're defending. And he won Finals MVP, is that not political as well?

[John8204]

Laimbeer and Aguire were both better players but more unlikable so the media didn't credit them as "all-nba" and now the Warriors have 3 hall of famers to IMHO the greatest team of all-time's 3 Hall of famers.

[Im Still Ballin]

Glen Rice? I suppose it's the college career that gets him in.

[L.Kizzle]

Laimbeer and Aguire were both better players but more unlikable so the media didn't credit them as "all-nba" and now the Warriors have 3 hall of famers to IMHO the greatest team of all-time's 3 Hall of famers.
Better than who? Iggy, of course they were.
Was Laimbeer even a top 5 center in his era tho? Kareem, Moses, Parish, Gilmore, Sikma and later on Akeem, Ewing and Dougherty.
Aguire has a better case than Bill tho, but Timmy was still better.

Also, they made the Hall for their separate careers not together as Run-TMC. They were together on 2 seasons.

[HoopsNY]

Glen Rice? I suppose it's the college career that gets him in.

Yea I don't think Rice belongs in the HOF. He had a nice 9 year stretch where he put up 21/5/4/1 on 46/41/85. But he wasn't a good defender and really took his teams nowhere. Rice wasn't that guy who could impact a game multiple ways beyond his shooting ability. So, not sure 3x AS and 2x All-NBA selections would be enough to get him in.

[L.Kizzle]

Yea I don't think Rice belongs in the HOF. He had a nice 9 year stretch where he put up 21/5/4/1 on 46/41/85. But he wasn't a good defender and really took his teams nowhere. Rice wasn't that guy who could impact a game multiple ways beyond his shooting ability. So, not sure 3x AS and 2x All-NBA selections would be enough to get him in.
It's not, but apparently it's enough for Bill Laimbeer lol.

[John8204]

Better than who? Iggy, of course they were.
Was Laimbeer even a top 5 center in his era tho? Kareem, Moses, Parish, Gilmore, Sikma and later on Akeem, Ewing and Dougherty.
Aguire has a better case than Bill tho, but Timmy was still better.

Also, they made the Hall for their separate careers not together as Run-TMC. They were together on 2 seasons.

I'd rank him ahead of Sikma, Daughtrey, Divac and Ralph Sampson ...If I was do rankings I would rank him with Parish, Wallace, Lanier and Ming who are in the hall

[Im Still Ballin]

Yea I don't think Rice belongs in the HOF. He had a nice 9 year stretch where he put up 21/5/4/1 on 46/41/85. But he wasn't a good defender and really took his teams nowhere. Rice wasn't that guy who could impact a game multiple ways beyond his shooting ability. So, not sure 3x AS and 2x All-NBA selections would be enough to get him in.

I feel like if Rice is in, then so should a guy like Antawn Jamison.

[L.Kizzle]

I feel like if Rice is in, then so should a guy like Antawn Jamison.
Rice is a tier or 2 above Jamison.

[Im Still Ballin]

Rice is a tier or 2 above Jamison.

Probably.

[bizil]

If we are mentioning Rice and Jamison, then Tom Chambers name needs to start coming up. Plus Chambers was a more revolutionary player than those two. In that era, u didn't really SEE freak athletic 6'10 PF-SF types with that type of scoring skillset.

His in game dunk catalog is one of the most UNDERRATED in league history. His peak-prime value matches up well with those two. Plus he had more All Star Games then both. And had an All Star MVP and two all NBA teams like Rice.

[bizil]

GOAT status factors:

Solo accolades
Team Accolades
Peak-prime status
Longevity being great
Numbers
Impact on the League (rules change because of you, being a face of the league, redefining a position, etc.)

When u look at it like that, the reason Tim would get in is MAINLY is because of his peak-prime value and impact on the league due to his crossover. He put up RARE season numbers with those 20-10 seasons. And his crossover was THE ONE until AI came around. Peak-prime wise, he was a top 5 PG for a very good stretch of time. NOT a decade like many of the greats. But for at least 5 years he was on that level. He DIDN'T put together a first ballot case.

Because of the criteria I laid out, he came up short in some key areas. DUE to injury. BUT it was clear when u WATCHED HIM that he was among the top 10 small guards (6'3 and under of all time) during his run. NOT GOAT wise of course. Just peak wise.

He's a great case of somebody with TRUE 1st ballot HOF pedigree seemingly. But injuries ruined that. BUT was more than deserving to get in at some point. Hell deserved to be in earlier honestly. I thought Timmy, Price, and KJ were the NEXT small PG's after Zeke who that great blend of floor generalship and scoring ability. Just didn't have the long run.

[HoopsNY]

I feel like if Rice is in, then so should a guy like Antawn Jamison.

Good point. People forget how good Jamison was. Hard to argue that if Rice does get in.

[HoopsNY]

Rice is a tier or 2 above Jamison.

How? He wasn't as good of a shooter but Jamison was a better defensive player and just as good of a scorer. Jamison played without Butler and Arenas in the 2007 playoffs and outplayed LeBron. He put up 32/10/1/1 on 48%. I don't recall Rice ever putting up such a performance with a GOAT level player on the floor in the playoffs.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Glen Rice? I suppose it's the college career that gets him in.


You don't want to include college careers. If so, Lebron will never even sniff Kareem at #2 no matter what he can feasibly still accomplish. If you include high school even His Airness doesn't touch Kareem as the GOAT basketball player.

[ClipperRevival]

Basketball HOF is a joke. It is by far the most liberal at inducting people. Not saying Hardaway isn't worthy but now that he's in, you have to let like 10 more guys in. KJ is getting in for sure now.