Before KD's Warriors, Lebron hand-picked the preseason favorite for 6 yrs (11-16')

[3ba11]

That's a 6-year headstart in the colluding space that yielded 3 rings and locked down the league.

People were happy in 2017 when KD got to hand-pick the preseason favorite after Lebron did it for 6 straight years.

But Lebron's 6-year headstart had stopped KD from winning organically with Westbrick in 2012, and also Duncan/Curry in 13' and 16'.. So someone had to do something about it and KD did in 2017.

[Kblaze8855]

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[Foster5k]

What happen to KD and friends when they tried to form a super team in Brooklyn?

And before you say, oh it was Kyrie that ruined everything, didn't Lebron take the same Kyrie to the Finals and beat a 73 win Warriors team?

[red1]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KindheartedCoordinatedKoala-size_restricted.gif
:oldlol:

funniest part is the ref just chilling there missing it and not even blowing the whistle

[John8204]

I love how a man that has built three championship teams is a failure in the OP's eyes.

Oh wait I'm sorry they are "super teams"...y'know filled with players who barely win titles before and have never won titles without Lebron.

[Hey Yo]

That's a 6-year headstart in the colluding space that yielded 3 rings and locked down the league.

People were happy in 2017 when KD got to hand-pick the preseason favorite after Lebron did it for 6 straight years.

But Lebron's 6-year headstart had stopped KD from winning organically with Westbrick in 2012, and also Duncan/Curry in 13' and 16'.. So someone had to do something about it and KD did in 2017.

The Cavs and Lakers were preseason favorites before James signed??

[3ba11]

The Cavs and Lakers were preseason favorites before James signed??


The 2015 Cavs added two top 10 players in Lebron and Love (2nd team All-NBA)

Meanwhile, AD led the Lakers in scoring and carried Lakers to the Finals by dominating Joker

So Lebron never won without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer

[Hey Yo]

You said James signed with the preseason favorites.

Links to where Cavs and LA were the favorites before LeBron signed?

[3ba11]

I love how a man that has built three championship teams is a failure in the OP's eyes.

Oh wait I'm sorry they are "super teams"...y'know filled with players who barely win titles before and have never won titles without Lebron.


Lebron goes 1/4 and leaves the team in shambles

Only a miracle stopped 1/4 in Miami (Ray Allen miracle)

The reason that Lebron can only go 1/4 is because he's a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy), so he lacks the sustainability of organic winners that win by developing great chemistry and brand of ball.

Unlike Jordan, Curry and other organic winners that dealt with aging teammates, Lebron refreshed his cast every 4 years with the hottest young players in the league - his talent-based approach cannot withstand teammates aging or declining, so he bounces every 4 years.

[3ba11]

You said James signed with the preseason favorites.

Links to where Cavs and LA were the favorites before LeBron signed?


I said that he hand-picked the preseason favorite

The Lakers collusion was particularly galling... Lebron literally said:

"Let's see, who do I want to play with in this NBA.... Hmmm.... I think AD is the guy... That's who..... Oh wait.. he's under contract?.... I don't care... Get him here NOW"

And the NBA complied - they literally gave him any player of his choosing, regardless of whether they were under contract.. It's called WWE... Manufactured resume... The fake goat

[StrongLurk]

I said that he hand-picked the preseason favorite

The Lakers collusion was particularly galling... Lebron literally said:

"Let's see, who do I want to play with in this NBA.... Hmmm.... I think AD is the guy... That's who..... Oh wait.. he's under contract?.... I don't care... Get him here NOW"

And the NBA complied - they literally gave him any player of his choosing, regardless of whether they were under contract.. It's called WWE... Manufactured resume... The fake goat

Quit crying about it if everything is fake and go do something else with your life. Stop being a loser.

[Hey Yo]

I said that he hand-picked the preseason favorite

The Lakers collusion was particularly galling... Lebron literally said:

"Let's see, who do I want to play with in this NBA.... Hmmm.... AD... That's who..... Oh he's under contract?.... I don't care... Get him here NOW"

And the NBA complied - they literally gave him any player of his choosing, regardless of whether they were under contract.

I know what you said.... now show me where the Cavs and LA were the preseason favorites before LeBron signed. You're the one making that claim so show us the links, bozo.

[3ba11]

Quit crying about it if everything is fake and go do something else with your life. Stop being a loser.


This isn't what I do with my life anymore than this is what you do

Poor deflection

Accept that you fell for a fraud and that some people find this hilarious and make fun of you.. like me

[StrongLurk]

This isn't what I do with my life anymore than this is what you do

Poor deflection

Accept that you fell for a fraud and that some people find this hilarious and make fun of you.. like me

Nice try buddy, you've posted easily over 100,000 times (could be more for sure) over the last DECADE with multiple accounts on multiple forums. I've literally only had my stronglurk account and you can see my post count. Shit you've started hundreds of times more threads than me. You were on message boards way before I even joined ISH (and only ISH).

Clearly you have an obsession/derangement that I don't have.

[3ba11]

Nice try buddy, you've posted easily over 100,000 times over the last DECADE with multiple accounts on multiple forums. I've literally only had my stronglurk account and you can see my post count. Shit you've started hundreds of times more threads than me.

Clearly you have an obsession/derangement that I don't have.


Stop exaggerating... 100,000? Makes you look bad

You're a joke that comes on a basketball forum to attack other posters... An internet tough guy but a bitch in real life... You're probably 5'5" fat dude that can barely walk and live in your Mama's basemt

[1987_Lakers]

Rent free..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HZWwxvNbc&t

[1987_Lakers]

You're a joke that comes on a basketball forum to attack other posters... An internet tough guy but a bitch in real life... You're probably 5'5" fat dude that can barely walk and live in your Mama's basemt

You're mad because you know it's true.

[StrongLurk]

Stop exaggerating... 100,000? Makes you look bad

You're a joke that comes on a basketball forum to attack other posters... An internet tough guy but a bitch in real life... You're probably 5'5" fat dude that can barely walk and live in your Mama's basemt

Lol this is some serious projection you are doing here...literally claiming other posters do exactly what you have done many times. And what's with the lame insult? Idk man...you are a strange person. I've tried to be nice and help you before by legit suggesting you get therapy for your issues, but you just keep tripling down on your insane behavior.

And yeah, you've posted for over a decade on internet forums (you've said so yourself). And considering you had like 40,000 posts on your old 3ball account and almost 10,000 on your current one...yeah it's a pretty safe estimate that you are over 100,000 posts literally on the same 4 or 5 subjects. It's like some OCD shit you've got going on.

[John8204]

Lebron goes 1/4 and leaves the team in shambles

Only a miracle stopped 1/4 in Miami (Ray Allen miracle)

The reason that Lebron can only go 1/4 is because he's a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy), so he lacks the sustainability of organic winners that win by developing great chemistry and brand of ball.

Unlike Jordan, Curry and other organic winners that dealt with aging teammates, Lebron refreshed his cast every 4 years with the hottest young players in the league - his talent-based approach cannot withstand teammates aging or declining, so he bounces every 4 years.

No Jordan won because Jerry Krause signed Pippen to the worst contract in NBA history and they could build a team around that.

Michael Jordan $30,140,000 $52,258,566
Dennis Rodman $9,000,000 $15,604,747
Toni Kukoc $3,960,000 $6,866,089
Ron Harper $3,840,000 $6,658,025
Luc Longley $2,790,000 $4,837,471
Scottie Pippen $2,250,000 $3,901,186
Randy Brown $1,300,000 $2,254,019
Dickey Simpkins $1,040,000 $1,803,215
Bill Wennington $1,000,000 $1,733,860
Robert Parish $1,000,000 $1,733,860
Steve Kerr $750,000 $1,300,395
Jason Caffey $700,000 $1,213,702
Jud Buechler $500,000 $866,930

[StrongLurk]

No Jordan won because Jerry Krause signed Pippen to the worst contract in NBA history and they could build a team around that.

Michael Jordan $30,140,000 $52,258,566
Dennis Rodman $9,000,000 $15,604,747
Toni Kukoc $3,960,000 $6,866,089
Ron Harper $3,840,000 $6,658,025
Luc Longley $2,790,000 $4,837,471
Scottie Pippen $2,250,000 $3,901,186
Randy Brown $1,300,000 $2,254,019
Dickey Simpkins $1,040,000 $1,803,215
Bill Wennington $1,000,000 $1,733,860
Robert Parish $1,000,000 $1,733,860
Steve Kerr $750,000 $1,300,395
Jason Caffey $700,000 $1,213,702
Jud Buechler $500,000 $866,930

That's a great point...Curry's underpaid contract in the beginning of his career also massively helped the Warriors build their team. Curry was only the 4th highest paid player on the 2015 Warriors team lol. Also the salary cap jump that happened right when Durant was a free agent allowed the Warriors to get him on the team...Curry is amazing but he had a lot of luck/help in his career.

[3ba11]

No Jordan won because Jerry Krause signed Pippen to the worst contract in NBA history and they could build a team around that.

Michael Jordan $30,140,000 $52,258,566
Dennis Rodman $9,000,000 $15,604,747
Toni Kukoc $3,960,000 $6,866,089
Ron Harper $3,840,000 $6,658,025
Luc Longley $2,790,000 $4,837,471
Scottie Pippen $2,250,000 $3,901,186
Randy Brown $1,300,000 $2,254,019
Dickey Simpkins $1,040,000 $1,803,215
Bill Wennington $1,000,000 $1,733,860
Robert Parish $1,000,000 $1,733,860
Steve Kerr $750,000 $1,300,395
Jason Caffey $700,000 $1,213,702
Jud Buechler $500,000 $866,930


What a garbage cast

How could anyone win 6 chips with that

Pippen averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs, while Rodman averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs and wasn't the starter in the 98' Playoffs (36 yrs old).

But here's how Jordan won with that garbage - he carried the scoring load more than anyone ever, so he needed minimal star help (minimal scoring help)... But he also didn't face super-teams - his weak cast couldn't win in the super-team 80's, but it was sufficient for MJ after expansion spread the talent around evenly and created an equitable 2-star vs 2-star format... Obviously, anyone wins alongside the goat in a 2-star vs 2-star format

[SouBeachTalents]

What a garbage cast

How could anyone win 6 chips with that

Pippen averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs, while Rodman averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs and wasn't the starter in the 98' Playoffs (36 yrs old).

But here's how Jordan won with that garbage - he carried the scoring load more than anyone ever, so he needed minimal star help (minimal scoring help)... But he also didn't face super-teams - his weak cast couldn't win in the super-team 80's, but it was sufficient for MJ after expansion spread the talent around evenly and created an equitable 2-star vs 2-star format... Obviously, anyone wins alongside the goat in a 2-star vs 2-star format
Garbage supporting cast with 4 HOF's and another one at coach :lol Garbage supporting cast that won 55 games without Mike too.

[ShawkFactory]

What a garbage cast



The 5th best player on the team was a 20ppg scorer before joining the Bulls.

[3ba11]

Garbage supporting cast with 4 HOF's and another one at coach :lol Garbage supporting cast that won 55 games without Mike too.


lies of course

Pippen was the only HOF, while Rodman was a HOF like Shaq in 2010 (washed) and Kukoc was a Euro HOF

And Pippen was Wiggins-caliber but he latched onto a dynasty as a rookie instead of late in his career like Wiggins

[3ba11]

The 5th best player on the team was a 20ppg scorer before joining the Bulls.


Harper was a 6 ppg scorer for the 95' Bulls before MJ returned - injuries had decimated him

So you guys are wrong about everything because you watch too much cable.. you literally got that take from TV, smh

[ShawkFactory]

Harper was a 6 ppg scorer for the 95' Bulls before MJ returned - injuries had decimated him

So you guys are wrong about everything because you watch too much cable.. you literally got that take from TV, smh

You don't use things like this in your arguments. I won't either.

[SouBeachTalents]

lies of course

Pippen was the only HOF, while Rodman was a HOF like Shaq in 2010 (washed) and Kukoc was a Euro HOF

And Pippen was Wiggins-caliber but he latched onto a dynasty as a rookie instead of late in his career like Wiggins
Pippen made All-NBA & All-Defense every year from 96-98, Rodman led the league in rebounds every year from 96-98, and Kukoc won 6MOY. Oh, and they had a GOAT candidate as coach. Stacked AF.

[Hey Yo]

lies of course

Pippen was the only HOF, while Rodman was a HOF like Shaq in 2010 (washed) and Kukoc was a Euro HOF

And Pippen was Wiggins-caliber but he latched onto a dynasty as a rookie instead of late in his career like Wiggins

If Rodnan was washed by leading the league in rebounding 3 straight years with the Bulls and took FMVP voteS away from MJ.... that just confirms that you know the league was shit back then.

[3ba11]

If Rodnan was washed by leading the league in rebounding 3 straight years with the Bulls and took FMVP voteS away from MJ.... that just confirms that you know the league was shit back then.


96-98' Rodman averaged 5.2 on 48% TS, so he made teams play 4 on 5 offensively - that's why he did nothing with MVP Robinson in 95' - he forced Robinson to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load against Finals teams), which almost no one can do.

2010 Shaq was far superior - he averaged 12/7 and 1.5 blocks as 4th option, which would vie for 2nd option on the 90's Bulls and be the best center they ever had BY FAR.. Jordan would easily win titles with 2 guys that can match Pippen's scoring/efficiency (Mo & Jamison), plus Shaq and an equal-ranked defense to the 91-93' Bulls (#7)... The 09' Cavs actually had a higher-ranked defense than the 1st three-peat Bulls (#3).

That's why Lebron was the league favorite with the 09' and 10 Cavs - they had far superior rim protection, defense and more scoring options than the 1st three-peat Bulls.

[ShawkFactory]

96-98' Rodman averaged 5.2 on 48% TS, so he made teams play 4 on 5 offensively - that's why he did nothing with MVP Robinson in 95' - he forced Robinson to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load against Finals teams), which almost no one can do.

2010 Shaq was far superior - he averaged 12/7 and 1.5 blocks as 4th option, which would vie for 2nd option on the 90's Bulls and be the best center they ever had BY FAR.. Jordan would easily win titles with 2 guys that can match Pippen's scoring/efficiency (Mo & Jamison), plus Shaq and an equal-ranked defense to the 91-93' Bulls (#7)... The 09' Cavs actually had a higher-ranked defense than the 1st three-peat Bulls (#3).

You think both would be scoring 20 a game on the 98 Bulls?

[3ba11]

You think both would be scoring 20 a game on the 98 Bulls?


Why not?

Jamison already averaged 20 as third option for the 05' Wizards but only 15 as 2nd option alongside Lebron

And who said they need to average 20?... Pippen averaged a lot less in the Playoffs or Finals (15-17) on WOAT efficiency, while also not having to share the load with another scoring option - Mo/Jamison were both scoring options so the Cavs had more scoring options than the Bulls, and they also had decorated veterans like Shaq/Zydrunas at 5th option that were better scorers than Horace

[ShawkFactory]

Why not?

Jamison already averaged 20 as third option for the 05' Wizards but only 15 as 2nd option alongside Lebron

And who said they need to average 20?... Pippen averaged a lot less in the Playoffs or Finals (15-17) on WOAT efficiency, while also not having to share the load with another scoring option - Mo/Jamison were both scoring options so the Cavs had more scoring options than the Bulls, and they also had decorated veterans like Shaq/Zydrunas that were equal to Horace

Because they scored like 95 points a game. Less in the playoffs and finals.

[3ba11]

Because they scored like 95 points a game. Less in the playoffs and finals.


Because they had no scoring help - that's the whole point - your point about how little they scored reflects on the cast, not MJ

The Bulls were playing 4 on 5 with Rodman and Pippen was a transition/hustle player, not a pure scorer or sweet shooter like Jamison and Mo, respectively.

Again, the 2009 and 2010 Cavs had better-ranked defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls and more scoring options than ANY bulls team... Decorated veterans like Shaq/Zydrunas were at 5th option on the Cavs but would easily be 3rd option on the Bulls.. or even 2nd

Lebron's 62-win juggernaut was easily supposed to beat the old and injured Celtics in 2010, but he lost a 2-1 lead by averaging 21 on 34% for the last 3 games... In the Finals, they had the bruising frontcourt required to muzzle Pau and beat the Lakers

[red1]

Because they had no scoring help - that's the whole point - your point about how little they scored reflects on the cast, not MJ

The Bulls were playing 4 on 5 with Rodman and Pippen was a transition/hustle player, not a pure scorer or sweet shooter like Jamison and Mo, respectively.

Again, the 2009 and 2010 Cavs had better-ranked defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls and more scoring options than ANY bulls team... Decorated veterans like Shaq/Zydrunas were at 5th option on the Cavs but would easily be 3rd option on the Bulls.. or even 2nd

Lebron's 62-win juggernaut was easily supposed to beat the old and injured Celtics in 2010, but he lost a 2-1 lead by averaging 21 on 34% for the last 3 games... In the Finals, they had the bruising frontcourt required to muzzle Pau and beat the Lakers

you are truly mentally ill.


there is no forum on earth other than this board that would allow you to put up the factually inaccurate filth that you post on a daily basis.



the fact that you still cling to your delusions despite being proven wrong every single time - that is the undeniable proof that you are a very sick man.

[ShawkFactory]

Because they had no scoring help - that's the whole point - your point about how little they scored reflects on the cast, not MJ

The Bulls were playing 4 on 5 with Rodman and Pippen was a transition/hustle player, not a pure scorer or sweet shooter like Jamison and Mo, respectively.

Again, the 2009 and 2010 Cavs had better-ranked defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls and more scoring options than ANY bulls team... Decorated veterans like Shaq/Zydrunas were at 5th option on the Cavs but would easily be 3rd option on the Bulls.. or even 2nd

Lebron's 62-win juggernaut was easily supposed to beat the old and injured Celtics in 2010, but he lost a 2-1 lead by averaging 21 on 34% for the last 3 games... In the Finals, they had the bruising frontcourt required to muzzle Pau and beat the Lakers

:lol

[red1]

Because they had no scoring help - that's the whole point - your point about how little they scored reflects on the cast, not MJ

The Bulls were playing 4 on 5 with Rodman and Pippen was a transition/hustle player, not a pure scorer or sweet shooter like Jamison and Mo, respectively.

Again, the 2009 and 2010 Cavs had better-ranked defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls and more scoring options than ANY bulls team... Decorated veterans like Shaq/Zydrunas were at 5th option on the Cavs but would easily be 3rd option on the Bulls.. or even 2nd

Lebron's 62-win juggernaut was easily supposed to beat the old and injured Celtics in 2010, but he lost a 2-1 lead by averaging 21 on 34% for the last 3 games... In the Finals, they had the bruising frontcourt required to muzzle Pau and beat the Lakers

you have the single lowest IQ out of any poster that I HAVE ever encountered here :roll:


we have already established that you are mentally ill - completely deranged with the way you spam the same posts that have already debunked.



so the deranged mentall illness is already established - you are also the dumbest poster I have ever seen. :oldlol:




you are still arguing that those untalented dogshit cavs teams were better than a team that won 55-games :roll:



which is literally what happened when pippen led the bulls to 55-wins :roll:






scottie pippen> mo williams




period.



just give it up.

[red1]

:lol

he used to argue with me that dennis rodman is lesser than anderson varejao

that mo williams is more naturally talented than scottie pippen


and he argued that jordan would have carried the delonte west cavs to 6 rings :oldlol:






he's insane. :oldlol:

[StrongLurk]

I'm convinced that if everyone on ISH left/stopped posting and 3Ball was literally the only person on ISH, he'd still be spamming the board incessantly. It's obvious he NEEDS to post otherwise he'd get even crazier and probably be a legit danger to people around him.

[John8204]

I'm convinced that if everyone on ISH left/stopped posting and 3Ball was literally the only person on ISH, he'd still be spamming the board incessantly. It's obvious he NEEDS to post otherwise he'd get even crazier and probably be a legit danger to people around him.

It's why the forum should have Lebron and Jordan forums...make the rule he'll break the rule and you can ban him.

[3ba11]

untalented dogshit cavs teams were better than a team that won 55-games :roll:





The 93' Bulls were 3-peat champion and the 10' Cavs were 2nd Round losers (as the favorite, aka bad brand of ball/chemistry)

So you can't compare the 2 teams

You can't compare a 3-peat championship brand of ball to a 2nd Round loser brand.

Lebron is the king of losing in the 2nd Round or ECF with favored high seeds, lol (09' and 10')... What a bum brand of ball that underachieves the expectation






untalented dogshit cavs teams were better than a team that won 55-games :roll:





The 2009 Cavs had the #3 defense compared to #19 for the 90' Bulls, while Mo was superior to Pippen offensively across the board (scoring, efficiency, PER, BPM, VORP and WS/48).

So Lebron had a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat him to titles - Jordan win the next season in 91', while Lebron's weak brand lost again despite adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite

[red1]

I'm convinced that if everyone on ISH left/stopped posting and 3Ball was literally the only person on ISH, he'd still be spamming the board incessantly. It's obvious he NEEDS to post otherwise he'd get even crazier and probably be a legit danger to people around him.

reading his posts makes me want to beat the shit out of the nearest jordan fan. because he proves how dumb these old heads are. got that skip bayless IQ and logic down to a tee, with mental illness and loneliness added to the equation.


mind-numbing drivel.


its like me starting a thread every day saying that jordan played against grocery baggers and white boys.


as retarded as that would be, it's more accurate than what he spams us with and forces us to read every time we skim these boards.

[red1]

The 93' Bulls were 3-peat champion and the 10' Cavs were 2nd Round losers (as the favorite, aka bad brand of ball/chemistry)

So you can't compare the 2 teams

You can't compare a 3-peat championship brand of ball to a 2nd Round loser brand.

Lebron is the king of losing in the 2nd Round or ECF with favored high seeds, lol (09' and 10')... What a bum brand of ball that underachieves the expectation






The 2009 Cavs had the #3 defense compared to #19 for the 90' Bulls, while Mo was superior to Pippen offensively across the board (scoring, efficiency, PER, BPM, VORP and WS/48).

So Lebron had a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat him to titles - Jordan win the next season in 91', while Lebron's weak brand lost again despite adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite

dude. you are ****ing insane.


the 2010 cavs are one of the least talented teams to ever win 60-games.


I would know - because I watched nearly every single cavs game that season.



I was there you ****ing moron. :oldlol:




buh buh shaq buh buh jamison

[RRR3]

It's why the forum should have Lebron and Jordan forums...make the rule he'll break the rule and you can ban him.
I’d be down for that. He and the crazy LeBron guy with lots of alts can talk to each other on that forum for eternity while the rest of us talk basketball. I do enjoy trolling but I’d like to have a board where things can be discussed seriously sometimes.

[red1]

jordan won his 6 cotton candy white boy rings going up against grocery baggers and stockton and hornacek on the perimeter

jordan's team was so talented that they won 55-games with him playing zero games


https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg

[RRR3]

reading his posts makes me want to beat the shit out of the nearest jordan fan. because he proves how dumb these old heads are. got that skip bayless IQ and logic down to a tee, with mental illness and loneliness added to the equation.


mind-numbing drivel.


its like me starting a thread every day saying that jordan played against grocery baggers and white boys.


as retarded as that would be, it's more accurate than what he spams us with and forces us to read every time we skim these boards.
The really sad part is his whole crusade has been pointless as he’s never managed to get anyone to agree with him who didn’t already intensely hate LeBron.

[red1]

Im just rubbing it in 3ball because I know you're going to read this.


YOU LOST MY SON. ITS OVER. NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU. :oldlol:



you can spam forever - you lost.


its finished.

[StrongLurk]

The really sad part is his whole crusade has been pointless as he’s never managed to get anyone to agree with him who didn’t already intensely hate LeBron.

His posting is therapy for him. It's not about changing people's minds. It's about him getting stress relief from the simple act of posting and getting responses. Things like "truth" or "objectiveness" do not play a part in his posting.

[red1]

The really sad part is his whole crusade has been pointless as he’s never managed to get anyone to agree with him who didn’t already intensely hate LeBron.

he spammed fake stats and twisted stats just to hate meanwhile lebron ended up exactly where we all said :oldlol:



top-2 :oldlol:



he used to argue that lebron was a fake star that wouldnt finish top-10 and that his true ranking was out of the top 12 with moses and KG being better basketball players.



he would be an even worse GM than his idol. :oldlol:

[red1]

you thought you had the upper hand 3ball when it was 2-4 with lebron's teammates going down due to injuries - something that jordan never experienced



instead lebron ended up with a finals MVP over the best regular season team of all-time. :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

96-98' Rodman averaged 5.2 on 48% TS, so he made teams play 4 on 5 offensively - that's why he did nothing with MVP Robinson in 95' - he forced Robinson to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load against Finals teams), which almost no one can do.

2010 Shaq was far superior - he averaged 12/7 and 1.5 blocks as 4th option, which would vie for 2nd option on the 90's Bulls and be the best center they ever had BY FAR.. Jordan would easily win titles with 2 guys that can match Pippen's scoring/efficiency (Mo & Jamison), plus Shaq and an equal-ranked defense to the 91-93' Bulls (#7)... The 09' Cavs actually had a higher-ranked defense than the 1st three-peat Bulls (#3).

That's why Lebron was the league favorite with the 09' and 10 Cavs - they had far superior rim protection, defense and more scoring options than the 1st three-peat Bulls.

Did Shaq make All Defensive with the Cavs? Lead the league in rebounding with the Cavs?

Thanks for confirming that you know the league was shit in the 90's trying to downplay Rodman's importance.


Not surprised you couldn't provide links earlier about the preseason favorite. More bullshit lies as usual.

[3ba11]

dude. you are ****ing insane.


the 2010 cavs are one of the least talented teams to ever win 60-games.


I would know - because I watched nearly every single cavs game that season.



I was there you ****ing moron. :oldlol:




buh buh shaq buh buh jamison


The 2010 Cavs were the deepest and biggest team in the league, but still had plenty of sweet shooting and wing scoring.

Otoh, Dirk carried a weak cast to 67 wins IN THE WEST in 2007... then he beat Lebron's super-team in 2011... That's a REAL carry-job guy because he has elite jumpshooting skill - otherwise, you need all-time scorers and elite 1st options for play sidekick that can nearly match your Finals scoring

Similarly, Curry carried a weak-scoring cast to great records and so did Jordan.. This required setting many records and defeated maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load)

[red1]

The 2010 Cavs were the deepest and biggest team in the league, but still had plenty of sweet shooting and wing scoring.

Otoh, Dirk carried a weak cast to b67 wins IN THE WEST in 2007... then he beat Lebron's super-team 8/in 2011... That's a REAL carry-job guy because he has elite jumpshooting skill - otherwise, you need all-time scorers and elite 1st options for play sidekick that can nearly match your Finals scoring
you're insane :roll:



go talk to us more about grocery bagging cotton candy white boy rings, will ya?

[3ba11]

Did Shaq make All Defensive with the Cavs? Lead the league in rebounding with the Cavs?

Thanks for confirming that you know the league was shit in the 90's trying to downplay Rodman's importance.


Not surprised you couldn't provide links earlier about the preseason favorite. More bullshit lies as usual.


By the late 90's, Rodman wasn't playable in many lineups and certainly wouldn't be playable on any Lebron team..

Rodman was a massive embarrassment in many games of the 97' Playoffs where the announcers were like "get him off the floor - he isn't playable"...

He couldn't beat out Kukoc for the starting job in the 98' Playoffs, but you still think he compares to Shaq in 2010, :facepalm:... Jordan would've easily titled with those 2010 Cavs and Lebron appeared on his way until he choked in the latter stages of the 2nd Round.

The Bulls literally won in spite of Rodman as the numbers show - they would three-peat much easier with any other bum like say, Horace Grant.. He could actually knock down a mid-range pick-n-pop, like a poor man's Zydrunas

[SouBeachTalents]

By the late 90's, Rodman wasn't playable in many lineups and certainly wouldn't be playable on any Lebron team..

Rodman was a massive embarrassment in many games of the 97' Playoffs where the announcers were like "get him off the floor - he isn't playable"...

He couldn't beat out Kukoc for the starting job in the 98' Playoffs, but you still think he compares to Shaq in 2010, :facepalm:... Jordan would've easily titled with those 2010 Cavs and Lebron appeared on his way until he choked in the latter stages of the 2nd Round.

The Bulls literally won in spite of Rodman as the numbers show - they would three-peat much easier with any other bum like say, Horace Grant.. He could actually knock down a mid-range pick-n-pop, like a poor man's Zydrunas
That bum destroyed the Bulls in '95 and sent Jordan's ass packing.

[Hey Yo]

Rodman avg. over 30mpg in the late 90's.

96 Rodman avg. 7.5ppg in the Finals. If that's playing 4 on 5 offensively, then I guess starters Bibby and Joel Anthony combining for 5.1ppg in the 2011 Finals means Miami was playing 3 on 5 on offense, right??

[3ba11]

That bum destroyed the Bulls in '95 and sent Jordan's ass packing.


That's because Jordan was a baseball player that year and hadn't transitioned back the timing and reflexes

So his clutch and advanced stats were garbage and looked like his Wizards years

Also Pippen wet the bed of course (19 on 40%)

MJ got revenge in his first full season back - it's the clearest example of GOATNESS, aka 3-peat with MJ from 91-93' and then he returns for another

This means that Jordan = 3-peat..... Mr. 3-peat vs Lebron going 1/4 and leaving teams in shambles, lol (only a miracle prevented 1/4 in Miami, aka Ray Allen miracle)

[red1]

we won :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

That's because Jordan was a baseball player that year and hadn't transitioned back the timing and reflexes

So his clutch and advanced stats were garbage and looked like his Wizards years

Also Pippen wet the bed of course (19 on 40%)

MJ got revenge in his first full season back - it's the clearest example of GOATNESS, aka 3-peat with MJ from 91-93' and then he returns for another

This means that Jordan = 3-peat..... Mr. 3-peat vs Lebron going 1/4 and leaving teams in shambles, lol (only a miracle prevented 1/4 in Miami, aka Ray Allen miracle)

MJ dropping 55 on the number 1 defense his 5th game back with bad timing and little reflex ability is further proof that the 90's era was shit.

[3ba11]

Rodman avg. over 30mpg in the late 90's.

96 Rodman avg. 7.5ppg in the Finals. If that's playing 4 on 5 offensively, then I guess starters Bibby and Joel Anthony combining for 5.1ppg in the 2011 Finals means Miami was playing 3 on 5 on offense, right??


Wade averaged 27 ppg to lead all scorers - goat scoring help.

And Rodman was a bench player - defeated by Toni Kukoc for the starting job - there's no better guage for Rodman than literally getting beat out by Kukoc.. If Kukoc can beat him out for the job, nearly ANYONE can

That's why saying Rodman was HOF for the Bulls is worse than saying 2010 Shaq was HOF for the Cavs - Shaq would've instantly started on the 98' Bulls and competed for 2nd option, whereas he was 4th or 5th option on the Cavs (he was 18/9 and all-star MVP in 09')

Btw, Rodman's 7.5 wasn't an underachievement, whereas Lebron's teammates underacheive because he makes them stand in the corner (inferior brand of ball than Jordan)..

[Hey Yo]

Imagine if MJ had to play 3 on 5 on offense in the Finals like LeBron did in 2011 and without the league leading rebounder.

7.5ppg >>>> 5.1ppg combined by 2 starters.

[3ba11]

Imagine if MJ had to play 3 on 5 on offense in the Finals like LeBron did in 2011 and without the league leading rebounder.

7.5ppg >>>> 5.1ppg combined by 2 starters.


Wade averaged 27 ppg to lead all scorers - goat scoring help.

Didn't Bosh outscore Lebron too?

When you're using the 11' Finals to defend Lebron - that's how you know you're on the wrong side of the argument

:yaohappy:

[red1]

Imagine if MJ had to play 3 on 5 on offense in the Finals like LeBron did in 2011 and without the league leading rebounder.

7.5ppg >>>> 5.1ppg combined by 2 starters.

dude just remind him that pippen grant kukoc and those boys won 55-games without jordan


playing against grocery baggers and white boys, after swapping out rodman for grant



thats the real GOAT help :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Wade averaged 27 ppg to lead all scorers - goat scoring help.

Didn't Bosh outscore Lebron too?

When you're using the 11' Finals to defend Lebron - that's how you know you're on the wrong side of the argument

:yaohappy:

I'm just using your retarded logic.

7.5ppg and FMVP votes >>>> Bibby and Anthony's combined 5.1ppg. Must be nice not having to play 3 on 5 on offense.

[3ba11]

I'm just using your retarded logic.

7.5ppg and FMVP votes >>>> Bibby and Anthony's combined 5.1ppg. Must be nice not having to play 3 on 5 on offense.


Yeah you lost

Lebron had Wade getting 27 and Bosh also leading, while Jordan had Pippen getting 15.7 on 41% and quitting the last 2 games just like the 89' and 90' ECF