Why was KD/Curry such an unfair team up?

[Big164]

But these arent…

Kobe/Shaq
magic/Kareem
Oscar/Kareem
Lebron/Wade
Lebron/Kyrie
MJ/Rodman
Duncan/Robinson
Dr J/Moses

[warriorfan]

Because bron stans are whiny as f.uck

Or Steph curry is just really that good

Probably some combination of both

Dingo’d.

[Kblaze8855]

Those are some weird ass names you put together for a number of reasons ranging from age of one or both to the wrong number two or…being bad examples because people actually did complain about them or….having random non stars behind them that weren’t even close to Klay/Dray(Shaq and Kobe in particular played with mostly random guys who are only known for being on those teams). Poor execution all around.

[Axe]

How many of both those guys in the duos you listed have league mvp and scoring titles in them?

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe/Shaq - Roster was underwhelming after you skip Shaq & Kobe

magic/Kareem - Stacked team no doubt, but both never played with each other at their primes.

Oscar/Kareem - Very good, but past prime Big O

Lebron/Wade - Unfair at first glance, but Wade wasn't in his prime by the time they won chips. The 2011 team also had major roster holes.

Lebron/Kyrie - Outside of LeBron & Kyrie the roster was very inconsistent

MJ/Rodman - Rodman was a headcase, played great in '96 but teams weren't lining up to get him after '95

Duncan/Robinson - Past prime D-Rob

Dr J/Moses - Only thing comparable to what KD did, Moses joining a championship contender. Sixers were stacked, only little difference is by '83 Dr. J was slowing down as a player.

Durant joined a 73 win team with 3 future hall of famers all in their prime, including Curry who will go down as a top 10 player ever maybe.

Hope this helps.

[1987_Lakers]

Those are some weird ass names you put together for a number of reasons ranging from age of one or both to the wrong number two or…being bad examples because people actually did complain about them or….having random non stars behind them that weren’t even close to Klay/Dray(Shaq and Kobe in particular played with mostly random guys who are only known for being on those teams). Poor execution all around.

He could have used Wilt/West/Baylor but instead went with MJ/Rodman. lol

[warriorfan]

Those are some weird ass names you put together for a number of reasons ranging from age of one or both to the wrong number two or…being bad examples because people actually did complain about them or….having random non stars behind them that weren’t even close to Klay/Dray(Shaq and Kobe in particular played with mostly random guys who are only known for being on those teams). Poor execution all around.

Big game James, Byron Scott, AC green were no slouches

Did you watch any Draymond games when Curry was out that year? Have you seen Klay’s finals ppg and percentages for most of his career?

It’s fairly obvious that in a vacuum that Draymond and Klay are not nearly good as many would like to believe. That even got accentuated this year when Klay and dray were complete dog shit even within the curry system and still got dragged to a chip.

83 sixers with mo cheeks, Andrew toney, and Bobby Jones?

C’mon man

[warriorfan]

Kobe/Shaq - Roster was underwhelming after you skip Shaq & Kobe

magic/Kareem - Stacked team no doubt, but both never played with each other at their primes.

Oscar/Kareem - Very good, but past prime Big O

Lebron/Wade - Unfair at first glance, but Wade wasn't in his prime by the time they won chips. The 2011 team also had major roster holes.

Lebron/Kyrie - Outside of LeBron & Kyrie the roster was very inconsistent

MJ/Rodman - Rodman was a headcase, played great in '96 but teams weren't lining up to get him after '95

Duncan/Robinson - Past prime D-Rob

Dr J/Moses - Only thing comparable to what KD did, Moses joining a championship contender. Sixers were stacked, only little difference is by '83 Dr. J was slowing down as a player.

Durant joined a 73 win team with 3 future hall of famers all in their prime, including Curry who will go down as a top 10 player ever maybe.

Hope this helps.

KD / Russ in ‘12 - both 22 and 23 years old so they were inexperienced and not in their prime. Making them an easy opponent

[1987_Lakers]

Big game James, Byron Scott, AC green were no slouches

Did you watch any Draymond games when Curry was out that year? Have you seen Klay’s finals ppg and percentages for most of his career?

It’s fairly obvious that in a vacuum that Draymond and Klay are not nearly good as many would like to believe. That even got accentuated this year when Klay and dray were complete dog shit even within the curry system and still got dragged to a chip.


Brings up Byron Scott then uses Klay Thompson poor Finals performances to try to undermine how good he was. lol

Byron Scott notoriously shit the bed every time he played in the Finals, only decent Finals he had was in '88. Everytime he played Boston he usually disappeared. And Scott could only dream of having a Finals performance like Klay's 2019 performance. And overall they don't compare as players.

[warriorfan]

Brings up Byron Scott then uses Klay Thompson poor Finals performances to try to undermine how good he was. lol

Byron Scott notoriously shit the bed every time he played in the Finals, only decent Finals he had was in '88. Everytime he played Boston he usually disappeared. And Scott could only dream of having a Finals performance like Klay's 2019 performance. And overall they don't compare as players.

James Worthy was a considerably much better Finals Performer than Klay Thompson.

[Kblaze8855]

Big game James, Byron Scott, AC green were no slouches

Did you watch any Draymond games when Curry was out that year? Have you seen Klay’s finals ppg and percentages for most of his career?

It’s fairly obvious that in a vacuum that Draymond and Klay are not nearly good as many would like to believe. That even got accentuated this year when Klay and dray were complete dog shit even within the curry system and still got dragged to a chip.

83 sixers with mo cheeks, Andrew toney, and Bobby Jones?

C’mon man


You notice I listed several reasons? Not all apply to all examples.

Like Jordan Rodman. Nobody ever called that a duo. Half the planet complained about Lebron and Wade.

Its just weird.

A lot of them are. For different reasons.

[1987_Lakers]

James Worthy was a considerably much better Finals Performer than Klay Thompson.

Yes, but you do realize that when Worthy peaked as a player Kareem was on his way out right?

1987 Finals Kareem: 19 ppg
1988 Finals: 13 ppg
1989 Finals: 13 ppg

[warriorfan]

You notice I listed several reasons? Not all apply to all examples.

Like Jordan Rodman. Nobody ever called that a duo.

Its just weird.

A lot of them are. For different reasons.

Nobody ever goes back and tries to discredit the sixers for being “too good”

We got some whiny ass prisoners of the moment here. It’s funny that tissue paper soft KD let them get under his skin. Thats just who he is though I guess

[Kblaze8855]

Discredit?

The Sixers….showtime….the warriors…they all get Goat team talk.

How do they get discredited? People do say they won too easily but they said that about showtime especially playing in the shit 80s west.

Not having equal comp goes hand in hand with being a goat tier team doesn’t it?

I wouldn’t call that taking credit from any of them from winning.

People did watered down league shit with the bulls but they still put them on the list.

[warriorfan]

Yes, but you do realize that when Worthy peaked as a player Kareem was on his way out right?

1987 Finals Kareem: 19 ppg
1988 Finals: 13 ppg
1989 Finals: 13 ppg

1985 Kareem 26 ppg
1985 Big game James 24 ppg

[1987_Lakers]

1985 Kareem 26 ppg
1985 Big game James 24 ppg

Are you taking '85 Kareem, Magic, and Worthy over '17 Durant, Curry, Klay and Dray? I personally wouldn't.

Kareem by that point could still get you buckets, but his defense and rebounding was starting to falter, Magic although great was still like 2 years away from his peak. Every player on the Warriors that year were at their peak.

[3ba11]

Because neither relied on ball-domination

Both were far more skilled than just lazy ball-dominance

But if one of them had been a ball-dominator - if one of them played like Luka or Lebron, then the duo would've been underwhelming and gone 1/4 like all of Lebron's collusions (only a miracle stopped 1/4 in Miami, aka Ray Allen miracle)

So we can literally look at history to see what would happen - ball-dominators have shitty Finals records compared to non-ball-dominators

[warriorfan]

Because neither relied on ball-domination

Both were far more skilled than just lazy ball-dominance

But if one of them had been a ball-dominator - if one of them played like Luka or Lebron, then the duo would've been underwhelming and gone 1/4 like all of Lebron's collusions (only a miracle stopped 1/4 in Miami, aka Ray Allen miracle)

So we can literally look at history to see what would happen - ball-dominators have shitty Finals records compared to non-ball-dominators

Came in here to post this actually.

If KD joined with LeBron he would have suffered a statistical decline and underachievement as a team due to simplistic iso centric, my turn, your turn style of play. There would of undoubtedly been inner conflict with the team as well when LeBron overly ball dominated and diminishes KD to a spot up corner 3 point shooter on a large amount of possessions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emXNsKw7a3w

So KD would have been the scapegoat when this team ultimately fails to meet expectations just like all of LeBron’s other super teams.

When KD joins with Curry where the system and his style of play allows both to flourish and dominate the league….people all of a sudden have a problem.

Curry is just too good at it drives people crazy while meanwhile they have to turn around and make every single mental gymnastic to try to discredit LeBron’s elite help he’s had his whole life. It’s quite absurd.

[SouBeachTalents]

This is seriously one of the most disingenuous talking points I've seen being made around here lately. It wasn't just KD & Curry, there were TWO other All-NBA/top 20 players on the team in Klay & Dray, who were both in their absolute primes like Curry & KD were. Dray was All-NBA and won DPOY the year Durant joined, and Klay was the 2nd best 3 point shooter in the league and was All-Defense.

There's never been a team with two of the top 3 players in the league, in addition to 4 of the top 20 on one team.

[warriorfan]

This is seriously one of the most disingenuous talking points I've seen being made around here lately. It wasn't just KD & Curry, there were TWO other All-NBA/top 20 players on the team in Klay & Dray, who were both in their absolute prime like Curry & KD were. Dray won DPOY the same year Durant joined, while Klay was the 2nd best 3 point shooter in the league and made All-Defense.

:cry:

Coming from a dude with that username

I. Love. It.

:roll:

[RRR3]

Everyone said LeBron and Wade was unfair lol. People only stopped bitching about it because Wade declined.

[3ba11]

This is seriously one of the most disingenuous talking points I've seen being made around here lately. It wasn't just KD & Curry, there were TWO other All-NBA/top 20 players on the team in Klay & Dray, who were both in their absolute primes like Curry & KD were. Dray was All-NBA and won DPOY the year Durant joined, and Klay was the 2nd best 3 point shooter in the league and was All-Defense.

There's never been a team with two of the top 3 players in the league, in addition to 4 of the top 20 on one team.


Klay was never that good and always carried by Curry:


Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............. 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............. 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts


So Klay is entirely a Curry creation and inflated by the winning spotlight

And Dray is a non-scoring system player that isn't a good player without Curry's system... :confusedshrug:

Klay/Dray hadn't been all-stars yet heading into the 2015 season and the Warriors were 8th in preseason odds - Curry defied expectation by carrying these guys to the title that year

[8Ball]

Yes, you put two top 10 GOAT talents in their primes next to each other.

It's like if Kobe or Bird teamed up with Shaq in Shaq's prime.

[iamgine]

The unfair team up is more KD/73 win team. Not KD/Curry.

[warriorfan]

The unfair team up is more KD/73 win team. Not KD/Curry.

He didn’t join a 73 win team

The Warriors lost players that allowed the team to win 73 games.

They lost Barbosa, Barnes, and Bogut.

If the Warriors replayed the 2016 season missing those 3 guys, they don’t win 73 games.

Therefor it is not accurate to say that KD joined a 73 win team.

[iamgine]

He didn’t join a 73 win team

The Warriors lost players that allowed the team to win 73 games.

They lost Barbosa, Barnes, and Bogut.

If the Warriors replayed the 2016 season missing those 3 guys, they don’t win 73 games.

Therefor it is not accurate to say that KD joined a 73 win team.

They also added players.

It's accurate enough.

[warriorfan]

They also added players.

It's accurate enough.

Nope

[iamgine]

Nope

ok

[3ba11]

It wasn't really unfair because people were happy that KD was getting to hand-pick the preseason favorite after Lebron did it the previous 6 years (11-16')

Lebron had a 6-year headstart in the colluding space, which stole organic rings from Durant in 2012, Duncan in 13', and Curry in 16'.. So Durant was late and clumsy in responding but at least someone did something to stop Lebron's colluding takeover of the league

[999Guy]

Well, Draymond Green is better than either one of those players, prime for prime to begin with.

So your whole concept of what it means to be dominant at basketball is ****ed up.

Fundamentally Curry/Dray is an unfair, mostly unsolved duo that redefined how to play modern basketball on both ends.

KD and Klay are just hired gunners. Yawn. Dime a dozen historically and in the league. One has more weapons than the other.

[1987_Lakers]

Well, Draymond Green is better than either one of those players, prime for prime to begin with.

So your whole concept of what it means to be dominant at basketball is ****ed up.

Fundamentally Curry/Dray is an unfair, mostly unsolved duo that redefined how to play modern basketball on both ends.

KD and Klay are just hired gunners. Yawn. Dime a dozen historically and in the league. One has more weapons than the other.
Klay was unique in a sense that we have never seen a shooter at his caliber that could also play man defense at a high level.

No perimeter player has ever had KD's size that can score/shoot at his level.

[Stephonit]

KD and Curry were so unfair that at no time were they called the two best players in the league. That's how great they were. You have to be inferior players like L'Inferieur and Anthony Davis to be called the two best players in the league.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/mvptracker23308862/nba-playoff-mvps-ranking-lebron-james-anthony-davis-top-10

When you are so good you break the league, normal rules don't apply.

[1987_Lakers]

KD and Curry were so unfair that at no time were they called the two best players in the league. That's how great they were. You have to be inferior players like L'Inferieur and Anthony Davis to be called the two best players in the league.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/mvptracker23308862/nba-playoff-mvps-ranking-lebron-james-anthony-davis-top-10

When you are so good you break the league, normal rules don't apply.

Clicked the link "top 10 players in the 1st round".

Lmao. Was wondering why Simmons was ahead of KD.

[Stephonit]

Clicked the link "top 10 players in the 1st round".

Lmao. Was wondering why Simmons was ahead of KD.

Oops wrong list. Shows how many times they are willing to repeat such nonsense though. The takes don't get any better.

https://www.espn.com/basketball/story/_/id/30489070/ranking-top-10-nba-players-2020-21

[John8204]

Kobe/Shaq
magic/Kareem
Oscar/Kareem
Lebron/Wade
Lebron/Kyrie
MJ/Rodman
Duncan/Robinson
Dr J/Moses

Well those cases were rookies drafted and free agents signing which is different so you've only really got three valid comparisons...

Moses Malone - The Rockets could have kept him, the choose not to
Dennis Rodman - another trade the spurs dumped him because he's a headcase
Lebron James - the closest you could compare to Durant and Curry...but the season before Bosh didn't make the playoffs and Wade was out in the first round, Lebron in the second. Both of which lost to a team with 3 of the 75 greatest players of all-time on it.

KD left a team in championship contention for a team that had made the finals and won a ring. One guy built a championship team the other guy joined one.

[Shooter]

I know it's a troll but sure, I'll douse you in some quick truth serum to close the thread

#1. Curry and KD were two prime MVPs in their absolute peak prime. None of those other teams had that
#2. You are forgetting the other part of the team...Klay, Dray, Iggy. You know, all-time best shooter, DPOY winner, and FMVP winner :lol
#3. The 73-win team shed their 5th option (Barnes) and added a prime MVP player that was their greatest challenge in their same conference

You're welcome.

[Big164]

He could have used Wilt/West/Baylor but instead went with MJ/Rodman. lol

2X dpoy Dennis Rodman led the League in Rebounding for SEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS!! And after year 4 of that streak he decides to join Michael & Scottie who already won a handful of titles. (He also won titles against them in the 80s)

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

The combo is only unfair is because of Steph. Team up KD with some other ball-dominant selfish, all about me Superstar and they will underachieve especially with KD's mental makeup. Even with the success, KD did everything he could (more like didn't try to make it work) to sabotage it by being an emotional ball hog.

[Phoenix]

MJ and Rodman? Half this board probably doesn't know that he got traded for Will Perdue( that same half probably doesnt know who he is). That should tell you what his 'value' was at the time. Dude was at the peak of his basket case-ness when he joined the Bulls.

[jlip]

But these arent…

Lebron/Wade



Anybody claiming that there was no backlash or that a LeBron/ Wade team up was not viewed initially as being "unfair" by the masses, either just started watching basketball last year or is a blatant troll. It's arguable that there has never been any greater, more widespread criticism (primarily targeted at LeBron) of a team up in NBA history. Please go back and watch all of the media drama that unfolded after July 7, 2010.

[Hey Yo]

Better question is why did the reigning MVP and champs feel the need to recruit the 2nd best player in the league for the majority of the 2016 season? Why didn't they have self confidence while on their way to 73 wins?

[Axe]

I know it's a troll but sure, I'll douse you in some quick truth serum to close the thread

#1. Curry and KD were two prime MVPs in their absolute peak prime. None of those other teams had that
#2. You are forgetting the other part of the team...Klay, Dray, Iggy. You know, all-time best shooter, DPOY winner, and FMVP winner :lol
#3. The 73-win team shed their 5th option (Barnes) and added a prime MVP player that was their greatest challenge in their same conference

You're welcome.
So stacked af. :(