Westbrook did nothing wrong last year - he's a PG and supposed to dominate the ball

[3ba11]

Lebron simply stepped on Westbrook's toes and killed his game..

This is unfortunate because Lebron is the frontcourt player that is supposed to move off-ball and control the game by closing possessions (playing the shooter/bailout guy role)

But Lebron wanted to dominate the ball because that's the only way he know how to play - Luka-style brand of ball - he's employed this losing brand for his entire career and would've been a career loser without the "decision"

Don't give me the turnover excuse because Lebron is #1 all-time in turnovers and top 5 every year

[Axe]

2/7

[GrayGoat]

Why couldn’t an off-ball player like Durant succeed with Westbrook?

[PeroAntic]

wait - why should Lebron be criticized for being the primary ball handler, when hes a better pointguard than Westbrick? Why shouldn't Westbrick adapt and hit some open threes instead of airballing them? Because hes shorter and Lebron is taller? great criteria op.

Not to mention Westbrick WAS the primary ballhandler and Lebron has played way more often than not off the ball, so your entire premise is a lie. Westbrick having the most shaqtin season in history has nothing to do with Lebron.

Your dumb attacks on Lebron only dilute his true flaws: shit defense and statpadding. Youre a bran stain in disguise, 3ball.

[3ba11]

w
why should Lebron be criticized for being the primary ball handler, when hes a better pointguard than Westbrick?





Because there's no other way to win with Westbrook

The only way to not have horrific chemistry is to put Lebron off-the-ball

Unfortunately, Lebron lacks the skills and IQ to play this way, so he can't play with Westbrook

It's funny because NO OTHER TEAM COMPLAINED LIKE THIS ABOUT WESTBROOK.. EVERYONE ELSE MADE PLAYOFFS WITH HIM

Guy like Durant had the skills and IQ to contend with Westbrook, while Lebron doesn't understand ball movement or off-ball

[Axe]

Fact: tim duncan has a winning record over kobe bryant

[3ba11]

Fact: tim duncan has a winning record over kobe bryant


Kobe ragdolled him in 08' tho.... That's the most heads-up, even steven matchup they ever had

[ShawkFactory]

Because there's no other way to win with Westbrook

The only way to not have horrific chemistry is to put Lebron off-the-ball

Unfortunately, Lebron lacks the skills and IQ to play this way, so he can't play with Westbrook

It's funny because NO OTHER TEAM COMPLAINED LIKE THIS ABOUT WESTBROOK.. EVERYONE ELSE MADE PLAYOFFS WITH HIM

Guy like Durant had the skills and IQ to contend with Westbrook, while Lebron doesn't understand ball movement or off-ball

The Thunder ranked 29th in team assists in 2012.

[Axe]

Kobe ragdolled him in 08' tho.... That's the most heads-up, even steven matchup they ever had
Three finals mvps > two finals mvps :kobe:

[GrayGoat]

Three finals mvps > two finals mvps :kobe:

Bingo

[3ba11]

Three finals mvps > two finals mvps :kobe:


Repeat = higher ceiling, more dominant

[GrayGoat]

Repeat = higher ceiling, more dominant

That’s your excuse for “less”

[SouBeachTalents]

The Thunder ranked 29th in team assists in 2012.
He wanted no part of this :lol

[Axe]

Repeat = higher ceiling, more dominant
19 straight appearances in the playoffs > 8 straight appearances in the playoffs

:hammertime:

[3ba11]

The Thunder ranked 29th in team assists in 2012.


Yeah but their offense was #2 and it got them the #3 SRS by itself because their defense wasn't that good.

Their offense was made possible by the great chemistry between KD and Westbrook, who played a 2-man game with sufficient skill to demolish a super-hot Spurs team... Westbrook was actually setting Durant up, whereas he can't set up Lebron (no off-ball)

Again, only Lebron's collusion stopped KD from winning organically in 2012.. He also stole organic chips from Duncan in 13' and Currygoat in 16'.. So people were happy that Durant got to hand-pick the preseason favorite in 17' after Lebron had done it the previous 6 (11-16').




The Thunder ranked 29th in team assists in 2012.


Have you ever been in a pick-up game with that guy who's always clapping his hands... calling for the ball..

It's annoying as shit

That's the effect Lebron has.. Imagine a starting point guard like Mo or Kyrie is sitting there happily bringing the ball up... But they feel the looming pressure of Lebron.. He doesn't want you to set him up - he wants you to give him the ball and he'll set you up.. He wants to take the point from you (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjHGdKAvbg&t=48s).

[ShawkFactory]

Ok so “team assists” is no longer the determining factor for brand of ball and chemistry.

Verrryyyyy interesting.

*fart*

[Johnny32]

Yeah but their offense was #2 and it got them the #3 SRS by itself because their defense wasn't that good.

Their offense was made possible by the great chemistry between KD and Westbrook, who played a 2-man game with sufficient skill to demolish a super-hot Spurs team... Westbrook was actually setting Durant up, whereas he can't set up Lebron (no off-ball)

Again, only Lebron's collusion stopped KD from winning organically in 2012.. He also stole organic chips from Duncan in 13' and Currygoat in 16'.. So people were happy that Durant got to hand-pick the preseason favorite in 17' after Lebron had done it the previous 6 (11-16').






Have you ever been in a pick-up game with that guy who's always clapping his hands... calling for the ball..

It's annoying as shit

That's the effect Lebron has.. Imagine a starting point guard like Mo or Kyrie is sitting there happily bringing the ball up... But they feel the looming pressure of Lebron.. He doesn't want you to set him up - he wants you to give him the ball and he'll set you up.. He wants to take the point from you (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjHGdKAvbg&t=48s).

lol laughably stupid. should i run the autistic window licker out of another topic?

[3ba11]

lol laughably stupid. should i run the autistic window licker out of another topic?


Why can't Westbrook set up Lebron like he did Durant?

No off-ball for Lebron

Lebron was just another career-losing ball-dominator like Luka until the "decision", which robbed Durant from winning organically with Westbrook

[PeroAntic]

Westbrick was always overrated but nowadays is a straight up bum. The only thing Lebron can be criticized about when it comes to Westbrick is his GM skills. Westbrick today (not the one from 2015) isn't even close to the value of a part time player in Kyrie Irving. Let that sink in.

[RRR3]

LeBron let Westbrook be the PG at first and was playing much more off ball than he usually does. He stopped when it became clear to him Westbrook was incapable of not playing like shit. I’m not sure why you think LeBron should have continued letting Westbrook turn the ball over 12 times a game.

[RRR3]

Really hilarious how OP gets shit on by people who don’t even like LeBron and he only “LeBron stans” disagree with him. Sure I’m a LeBron stan but pretty hard to claim PeroAntic is. Or Kblaze, RealMenWearGreen, Phoenix, Kuniva and many others who shit on him in other threads.

[3ba11]

LeBron let Westbrook be the PG at first and was playing much more off ball than he usually does.





Lebron sucks off the ball so Westbrook couldn't set him up like he did Durant, who he had much better chemistry with and was a perennial contender with

[RRR3]

Lebron sucks off the ball so Westbrook couldn't set him up like he did Durant, who he had much better chemistry with and was a perennial contender with
He doesn’t you didn’t watch. LeBron was playing quite well off ball, Westbrook just kept turning it over constantly and missing most of his shots. LeBron got sick of it and decided to run the offense himself. Can’t blame him.

[John8204]

Russ has failed with Durant, Harden, George, Beal, Carmello, Davis, Lebron...and he's a PG. It's his job to win with the talent in front of him and he's had more talent than I think any PG in NBA history.

To me Russ didn't belong in the top 75...you can't just blame Lebron for Russ's failures. The guy might not have a starting job in the NBA after next season.

[SouBeachTalents]

I bet OP legitimately believes this version of Westbrook is better than Pippen was :lol

[ImKobe]

It's true to an extent

Westbrook post-ASB: 19/7/6 46.5%FG/52.8%TS

And they still couldn't win games


WB had his horrible moments sure but it's not the only reason they were losing. The team was too old and the injuries were too much to overcome. Playing Bran at the 5 wasn't a winning strategy yet they kept doing it because at least Bran got his numbers.

[NBAGOAT]

It's true to an extent

Westbrook post-ASB: 19/7/6 46.5%FG/52.8%TS

And they still couldn't win games


WB had his horrible moments sure but it's not the only reason they were losing. The team was too old and the injuries were too much to overcome. Playing Bran at the 5 wasn't a winning strategy yet they kept doing it because at least Bran got his numbers.

They played bran at the 5 since that was one of the only ways westbrook wouldn’t be awful. He needs that much spacing. That efficiency still awful for 2022 btw. Lebron doesn’t even like banging with 4’s even though that should be his main position, doubt he wanted to play the 5 full time.

[NBAGOAT]

Lebron sucks off the ball so Westbrook couldn't set him up like he did Durant, who he had much better chemistry with and was a perennial contender with

It’s like you never heard of a player declining lol. Paul George is great offball too, why wasn’t there any success there? One reason is westbrook wasn’t as good anymore

[Wally450]

Posting his numbers don't do it justice of how bad he actually was. Dude made low IQ play after low IQ play.

[Full Court]

Lebron simply stepped on Westbrook's toes and killed his game..

This is unfortunate because Lebron is the frontcourt player that is supposed to move off-ball and control the game by closing possessions (playing the shooter/bailout guy role)

But Lebron wanted to dominate the ball because that's the only way he know how to play - Luka-style brand of ball - he's employed this losing brand for his entire career and would've been a career loser without the "decision"

Don't give me the turnover excuse because Lebron is #1 all-time in turnovers and top 5 every year

Lebron was actually worse on turnovers than Westbrook was last season.

Westbrook did miss a lot of shots though. LOTS of them.

[ImKobe]

They played bran at the 5 since that was one of the only ways westbrook wouldn’t be awful. He needs that much spacing. That efficiency still awful for 2022 btw. Lebron doesn’t even like banging with 4’s even though that should be his main position, doubt he wanted to play the 5 full time.

It's not as bad as people make it out to be though. WB's issue is his 3PT shooting and that only really gets highlighted/exploited when he's not the ballhandler. He can still attack the rim and make plays for others like he always has, some of the Westbrick stuff got way overblown. You can sort through his most efficient or his lowest TO games and they were still losing the majority of them. They went 11 - 21 when WB shot 50% or better.

[Round Mound]

I knew it wouldn't work Lebron with Westbrook they both play too similar. The only time i think it worked out between 2 Point Guards was the early 80s Lakers with Magic and Norm Nixon.

[3ba11]

I knew it wouldn't work Lebron with Westbrook they both play too similar. The only time i think it worked out between 2 Point Guards was the early 80s Lakers with Magic and Norm Nixon.


1) Norm and Magic were in a sidekick capacity to Kareem, so that's different than the top guy dominating the ball along with the #2 guy

2) Magic always dominated the post. He split time between the post and ball-handler

[Axe]

1) Norm and Magic were in a sidekick capacity to Kareem, so that's different than the top guy dominating the ball along with the #2 guy

2) Magic always dominated the post. He split time between the post and ball-handler
Magic's 9 finals > kobe's 7 finals

[Phoenix]

And on the other hand, the OP has about 1000 threads criticizing ball dominators. Now they're 'supposed to do it'. Why is this fool kept around? Cheap clicks? Shits and giggles? Genuninely curious.

[r15mohd]

And on the other hand, the OP has about 1000 threads criticizing ball dominators. Now they're 'supposed to do it'. Why is this fool kept around? Cheap clicks? Shits and giggles? Genuninely curious.

ISH punching bag

[StrongLurk]

Westbrook led the league in missed layups by a WIDE margin. He also seemingly had an airball and absurd backboard brick every game.

Let's face it, Westbrook has obviously declined BUT he also couldn't handle the pressure of playing in LA and the spotlight.