Or.

[Kblaze8855]

Marbury or Kyle Lowry

Tony Parker or Chris Mullin

Trae Young or Deron Williams

Ben Wallace or Rudy Gobert

Hot honey bbq or hot lemon pepper as a wing flavor if you must eat 10.

Jimmy Butler or Manu

Steve Francis or Bradley Beal

Draymond with Kyle Korvers jumper or Shawn Marion

Ron Artest or Middleton

Chris Paul or Dwight Howard

Reggie Miller or Paul Pierce

Dame or Yao

Gus Fring or Avon Barksdale

Lou Williams or Ben Gordon

Chris Bosh or Kevin Love

Doug Christie or Marcus Smart

Dan Majerle or Tobias Harris

Joe Johnson or Demar Derozan

Tatum or Vince Carter

Steve Kerr as a coach or Dirk as a player(higher all time).






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[zeerghit]

Marbury or Kyle Lowry

Tony Parker or Chris Mullin

Trae Young or Deron Williams

Ben Wallace or Rudy Gobert

Hot honey bbq or hot lemon pepper as a wing flavor if you must eat 10.

Jimmy Butler or Manu

Steve Francis or Bradley Beal

Draymond with Kyle Korvers jumper or Shawn Marion

Ron Artest or Middleton

Chris Paul or Dwight Howard

Reggie Miller or Paul Pierce

Dame or Yao

Gus Fring or Avon Barksdale

Lou Williams or Ben Gordon

Chris Bosh or Kevin Love

Doug Christie or Marcus Smart

Dan Majerle or Tobias Harris

Joe Johnson or Demar Derozan

Tatum or Vince Carter

Steve Kerr as a coach or Dirk as a player(higher all time).






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i assume its peaks?
some for me its not even close
like Ben > Gobert
or Draymond with Korver shot? its like the best player in this list

[Kblaze8855]

i assume its peaks?
some for me its not even close
like Ben > Gobert
or Draymond with Korver shot? its like the best player in this list


That one was tough. I initially had it as Dray vs KG but figured that would devolve into “Goat 3 and d still isn’t top 20 player material” thing. Dray with Korvers shot would still probably score 15-17 a game just incredibly efficiently.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lowry easily

I’m taking Mullin

Def close, but I’d go with Trae

Ben

Hot lemon pepper

Absolutely brutal, I think Manu provides better stability to your franchise and would generally be a better fit on more rosters

Beal

Dray with Korver’s jumper would be pretty beastly

I think I gotta go with Middleton, far less of a headache too

CP3 pretty easily, though Dwight was obv a beast in his day

Pierce, just a better player

Dame

Gus was a GOAT tier villain, I would probably pick him over any other villain in tv history

Lou Will

Definitely Bosh

I’m taking Christie

Definitely Thunder Dan

Iso Joe

Even with the shit Finals, rolling with Tatum here

This is definitely Kerr, who by resume alone is undoubtedly top 10. Dirk is simply not in that discussion

[ShawkFactory]

Marbury or Kyle Lowry

Tony Parker or Chris Mullin

Trae Young or Deron Williams

Ben Wallace or Rudy Gobert

Hot honey bbq or hot lemon pepper as a wing flavor if you must eat 10.

Jimmy Butler or Manu

Steve Francis or Bradley Beal

Draymond with Kyle Korvers jumper or Shawn Marion

Ron Artest or Middleton

Chris Paul or Dwight Howard

Reggie Miller or Paul Pierce

Dame or Yao

Gus Fring or Avon Barksdale (although the Wire is the better show)

Lou Williams or Ben Gordon

Chris Bosh or Kevin Love

Doug Christie or Marcus Smart

Dan Majerle or Tobias Harris

Joe Johnson or Demar Derozan

Tatum or Vince Carter (This is the toughest one; next year the answer may be different)

Steve Kerr as a coach or Dirk as a player(higher all time).






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I'm confident about all of these. Particularly the wings. LP has always been too salty for me. I'm usually half hot half hot BBQ

[jayfan]

Marbury or Kyle Lowry

Tony Parker or Chris Mullin

Trae Young or Deron Williams

Ben Wallace or Rudy Gobert

Hot honey bbq or hot lemon pepper as a wing flavor if you must eat 10.

Jimmy Butler or Manu

Steve Francis or Bradley Beal

Draymond with Kyle Korvers jumper or Shawn Marion

Ron Artest or Middleton

Chris Paul or Dwight Howard

Reggie Miller or Paul Pierce

Dame or Yao

Gus Fring or Avon Barksdale

Lou Williams or Ben Gordon

Chris Bosh or Kevin Love

Doug Christie or Marcus Smart

Dan Majerle or Tobias Harris

Joe Johnson or Demar Derozan

Tatum or Vince Carter

Steve Kerr as a coach or Dirk as a player(higher all time).






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Even without Kyle Korver's jumper, I might take Dray. With it, there's no contest whatsoever.

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[John8204]

Marbury or Kyle Lowry

Tony Parker or Chris Mullin

Trae Young or Deron Williams

Ben Wallace or Rudy Gobert

Hot honey bbq or hot lemon pepper as a wing flavor if you must eat 10.

Jimmy Butler or Manu

Steve Francis or Bradley Beal

Draymond with Kyle Korvers jumper or Shawn Marion

Ron Artest or Middleton

Chris Paul or Dwight Howard

Reggie Miller or Paul Pierce

Dame or Yao

Gus Fring or Avon Barksdale

Lou Williams or Ben Gordon

Chris Bosh or Kevin Love

Doug Christie or Marcus Smart

Dan Majerle or Tobias Harris

Joe Johnson or Demar Derozan

Tatum or Vince Carter

[Charlie Sheen]

Dame or Yao


This one had me wondering... who would be the Sandy Koufax of the NBA? As good as Yao was, he didn't reach that Koufax level of dominance imo. He had the short career and short prime window though.

[SouBeachTalents]

I’ve got a couple for OP

‘72 Dolphins or ‘85 Bears

Scorsese or Tarantino

Walter White or Tony Soprano

3ball or Jack Torrance

Nicholson, Ledger or Phoenix’s Joker

Federer, Nadal or Djokovic

[jayfan]

I’ve got a couple for OP

‘72 Dolphins or ‘85 Bears

Scorsese or Tarantino

Walter White or Tony Soprano

Nicholson, Ledger or Phoenix’s Joker

Federer, Nadal or Djokovic


Not OP, but...

Federer is the only one I didn't hesitate with. And maybe I should have, statistically. But he's the goat.

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[Kblaze8855]

Bears comfortably
QT by a hair because he manages to add humor to his classic drama in a way Martin doesn’t outside a few Pesci scenes he probably ad libbed
Tony a better character but Walt the better villain
Heath
Nadal if healthy

Last two are a funny coincidence because I had a best joker question that involved all those actors added to Jokic and Djokovic but never got around to it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lemon pepper.

So at first I was like, "blaze, who would take Miller over Pierce?"


But then someone actually did it.

[fsvr54]

People picking Tatum over Carter are braindead.

[Kblaze8855]

Lemon pepper.

So at first I was like, "blaze, who would take Miller over Pierce?"


But then someone actually did it.


My goal is always for someone to take both sides of every option.

I don’t think anyone is gonna bite on Marbury which is funny because I remember best point guard lists on here early 2000s when Marbury was consistently number two after Kidd and ahead of guys like Nash.

[sdot_thadon]

Marbury or Kyle Lowry - just to watch him eat vaseline.

Tony Parker or Chris Mullin

Trae Young or Deron Williams - I can't decide here.

Ben Wallace or Rudy Gobert

Hot honey bbq or hot lemon pepper as a wing flavor if you must eat 10. -Bruh

Jimmy Butler or Manu - defense gives Jimmy a leg up although Manu could touch superstar level on offense from time to time.

Steve Francis or Bradley Beal - irrational Homer vote

Draymond with Kyle Korvers jumper or Shawn Marion - without doubt, what a nightmare hed be with that level of shooting, let alone the warriors as a result

Ron Artest or Middleton - Meta would put them hands on Middleton

Chris Paul or Dwight Howard

Reggie Miller or Paul Pierce another tough one but I think Reggie wins you more games and hes team lightskin brother.

Dame or Yao if healthy
Gus Fring or Avon Barksdale

Lou Williams or Ben Gordon I'd be good with either though, this question makes me want to see their career numbers side by side

Chris Bosh or Kevin Love

Doug Christie or Marcus Smart team light skin, seroiusly another one id like to see the numbers on

Dan Majerle or Tobias Harris - marjerle may on fact be better, but something about Tobias Harris makes every team think he's better than someone they already have on their roster lol.

Joe Johnson or Demar Derozan

Tatum or Vince Carter 1st thought was disrespectful, 2nd thought was too early to say if it will be legit down the line.

Steve Kerr as a coach or Dirk as a playerr(higher all time). One has to call the shots, fhe other has to make them.






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Pretty good ones here.

[Kblaze8855]

So Marbury got a pick. Demar might be the one left in the cold. People really started to **** with Joe Johnson in retrospect when he got old. None of those 15 to 18 ppg playoff disappearing acts seem to have stuck to him like they do to Demar.

[SouBeachTalents]

My goal is always for someone to take both sides of every option.

I don’t think anyone is gonna bite on Marbury which is funny because I remember best point guard lists on here early 2000s when Marbury was consistently number two after Kidd and ahead of guys like Nash.
I wish you did a Harden one. I’d bet he’d lose to Reggie, Manu or Klay.

I also wonder who’s the worst PG you could use that would still garner more support than Westbrook.

[Kblaze8855]

Jose Calderon would get a pick over Russ from one of those “Percentages and turnovers are basketball” types wouldn’t he? Someone would pull the trigger on that one. Tpols maybe. Tontoz a dark horse.

[Kblaze8855]

He did 13/9 on 50/41/98. Someone is taking him over Russ on general principle even though he’d definitely be his backup in real life.

[Real Men Wear Green]

People picking Tatum over Carter are braindead.

What did Carter do better aside from dunking? Tatum's defensive edge is severe and although he can't jump as high he's got the height of a big.

[Kblaze8855]

I’d say Vince was a better passer.

[FultzNationRISE]

I’ve got a couple for OP

‘72 Dolphins or ‘85 Bears

Scorsese or Tarantino

Walter White or Tony Soprano

3ball or Jack Torrance

Nicholson, Ledger or Phoenix’s Joker

Federer, Nadal or Djokovic


:roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

I’d say Vince was a better passer.

Possible but the statistics don't show a major difference between Tatum this season and Carter's peak years

[John8204]

People picking Tatum over Carter are braindead.

That was a tough one...post season tipped me over

Tatum is 5-5 and he's had 3 runs, Carter was 11-22

2000 - First round Exit (swept)
2001 - Second round
2005 - First round Exit
2006 - Second round
2007 - Second round
2010 - Conference Finals
2012 - First round exit
2014 -First round exit
2015 - Second round
2016 - First round exit
2017 - First round exit

2018 - Conference Finals
2019 - Second Round
2020 - Conference Finals
2021 - First Round exit
2022 - Finals

I can always drop Tatum below Carter but at this point I got to go with Tatum

[Kblaze8855]

The game is so different. Every time a star has the ball at least 3 people are spotting up waiting for a kickout 3. I’d say assists are a little easier to come by even ignoring the faster pace. Besides I mean passing in general. Vince was more creative than he’s given credit for.

[sdot_thadon]

Marbury was on a pretty great trajectory before he was assigned the headcase label. I was really disappointed that he didn't stay with Kg, but I understand.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The game is so different. Every time a star has the ball at least 3 people are spotting up waiting for a kickout 3. I’d say assists are a little easier to come by even ignoring the faster pace. Besides I mean passing in general. Vince was more creative than he’s given credit for.

He played with Kidd something may have ruined off. But even if Carter gets a small edge as a passer defense is half the game and on that end Tatum kills him. Also a better rebounder.

[Full Court]

Gus Fring over Barksdale for sure.

[Kblaze8855]

Rebounds are another thing I can’t judge across eras easily. The difference between playing with both Antoinio Davis and Charles Oakley vs a team with Mutombo and Hill….or playing with stretch bigs? Williams and Horford are an unusually big combo to play together this era and Horford shoots threes like a wing 20 years ago.

The league probably started 55 real bigs when Vince was at his best. Most of the league now plays with tall wings all over the place.

None of these numbers are easy to compare.

Tatum is a better defender and that’s a lot but I don’t know for sure he’s better than Vince at anything on offense.

[PeroAntic]

Should have made separate threads about each of these. The only ones Im sure about is that Butler>Ginobili and Smart>Christie.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Rebounds are another thing I can’t judge across eras easily. The difference between playing with both Antoinio Davis and Charles Oakley vs a team with Mutombo and Hill….or playing with stretch bigs? Williams and Horford are an unusually big combo to play together this era and Horford shoots threes like a wing 20 years ago.

The league probably started 55 real bigs when Vince was at his best. Most of the league now plays with tall wings all over the place.

None of these numbers are easy to compare.

Tatum is a better defender and that’s a lot but I don’t know for sure he’s better than Vince at anything on offense.
Tatum was himself often the big. Carter might be able to average 8 boards at his peak if he made it his focus but Tatum actually doing it means more than Carter possibly being capable. Tatum has the ability to play the four and still has to be taken seriously at the position. He can rebound and legitimately defend the position.

There aren't any areas of offense where Carter separated himself from Tatum. Meanwhile on defense, which is half the game, there is no argument for Carter whatsoever. Even with help, Could you imagine VC at any point in his career defending KD the way Tatum did? There is nothing in Carter's career to compare that to.

[Kblaze8855]

I don’t know that Tatum actually doing it does matter that much. It would in the same league. But the changes I mentioned do factor in. Westbrook, Murray, Harden, and so on getting 8 or in Russ case 10-12 rebounds a game doesn’t necessarily mean we are in the era of the best rebounding guards. It means the league has gone from every team wanting two big glass cleaning bigs to accepting one if they have to but not really being happy about it. That plus the lack of post players keeping the ball inside where even if they miss one of them grabs it or tips it in?

Its just a different environment to play. I’m not even saying Tatum isn’t as good as or better than Vince Carter I’m just saying raw stats when one of them peaked in the greatest defensive era since the shot clock was introduced and the other plays in the league that was created admittedly for entertainment value of fans who don’t like 76-82 scores….

It isn’t a which era is “better” thing it’s just not knowing how to rank people by those numbers when we have to factor in play style, rules, and lineups.

It has nothing to do with this matchup. I recall an argument ln here about Rudy vs Ewing as rebounders and me asking how you account for one playing stretch bigs and wings at the 4 and 5 and one playing with Oakley and Mason on their own team with the other team having like Shaq and Horace or Hakeem and Otis Thorpe or David Robinson and Rodman or Zo and Larry Johnson or on and on and goes.

It’s just…harder than I’d like it to be you know?