Luka will never win organically

[3ba11]

His big man ball-dominance turns teammates into spot-up shooters, so he lacks the young player development and chemistry to win organically.

Since he can't win organically via chemistry, he'll need to be a talent-based winner (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).

This isn't opinion - it's the historical record because this is what Lebron did, so we can use his history to predict the future with Luka..

A skillset with poor teammate development and fits cannot win organically and must seek a talent-based approach (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy) - that's Lebron and Luka-ball.. Lebron was just another losing ball-dominator like Luka until the "decision"

[Kblaze8855]

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[sdot_thadon]

Too many preservatives.

[FultzNationRISE]

It will be tough, especially without assets like a #8 draft selection, which they can flip for a top 5 selection in order to nab a prospect like a Scottie Pippen.

Lebron and Luka unfortunately raise their teams’ floors too high to ever be able to add quality talent thru the draft.

Obviously going 1-9 despite being loaded with assets like Woolrdige, Gervin, Oakley etc tends to make the talent acquisition process a bit easier.

[3ba11]

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You posted something similar back in 2010 when it appeared that it was the Cavs' year.

You were wrong then and you're wrong now

Lebron immediately started team-hopping once his shit brand of ball lost as a historic favorite 2 times in a row - no one ever lost twice in a row with a 60-win 1 seed - only Lebron

So keep the blinders on.. It's a predictable look for you

I've bookmarked this post - in a few years when Luka is either 1) a team-hopping or colluding beta, or 2) like Damian Lillard or Mitch Richmond (career losers).. this thread will get bumped

[tontoz]

Setting aside OPs Lebron obsession, something about Dallas seems to rub black guys the wrong way. In theory Dallas should be attactive to free agents...big glamorous city, good owner, no state tax. But for some reason they dont want to play there. Their record of signing free agents is surprisingly bad.

[3ba11]

It will be tough, especially without assets like a #8 draft selection, which they can flip for a top 5 selection in order to nab a prospect like a Scottie Pippen.

Lebron and Luka unfortunately raise their teams’ floors too high to ever be able to add quality talent thru the draft.

Obviously going 1-9 despite being loaded with assets like Woolrdige, Gervin, Oakley etc tends to make the talent acquisition process a bit easier.


Lebron entered the playoffs as a high seed in 06' - that's the only reason that he had high seeds

He needed 3 years to develop his team into a veteran, high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs

Otoh, Jordan was thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 as an 8 seed..

So Jordan had to carry bad teams in the playoffs, while Lebron enjoyed high seeds for his entire career, except 2021 - the first year that he had a low seed, he lost in the 1st Round and lost another 2-1 lead .. :yaohappy:.. you can't make this stuff up

[FultzNationRISE]

Setting aside OPs Lebron obsession, something about Dallas seems to rub black guys the wrong way. In theory Dallas should be attactive to free agents...big glamorous city, good owner, no state tax. But for some reason they dont want to play there. Their record of signing free agents is surprisingly bad.

I think youre reading a bit too much into it. The Cowboys for instance have never had a problem signing free agents.

The Mavs have just been unlucky a few times that their free agency targets have had other places they preferred to go. I dont think anyone is specifically avoiding Dallas.

[Kblaze8855]

You posted something similar back in 2010 when it appeared that it was the Cavs' year.

You were wrong then and you're wrong now

Lebron immediately started team-hopping once his shit brand of ball lost as a historic favorite 2 times in a row - no one ever lost twice in a row with a 60-win 1 seed - only Lebron

So keep the blinders on.. It's a predictable look for you

I've bookmarked this post - in a few years when Luka is either 1) a team-hopping or colluding beta, or 2) like Damian Lillard or Mitch Richmond (career losers).. this thread will get bumped


This one in particular or the 26 duplicates before it and 38 to come?

[3ba11]

Setting aside OPs Lebron obsession, something about Dallas seems to rub black guys the wrong way. In theory Dallas should be attactive to free agents...big glamorous city, good owner, no state tax. But for some reason they dont want to play there. Their record of signing free agents is surprisingly bad.


I'll get to the race factor in a second

But firstly - regardless of any obsession, I'm right on this

Ball-dominators like Luka, Westbrook, Lebron, Harden etc - they have poor chemistry and teammate development - this is FACTUAL... :confusedshrug:... so they can't win organically... :confusedshrug:

People think it's coincidence that Lebron never won organically but that's false - it's a function of his skillset - he imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win..

That's why he's so much of a fraud - he literally doesn't know how to win (organic.. chemistry) and just forms all-star teams (talent-based winning).. He goes 1/4 and leaves teams in shambles

Regarding the Mavericks and race - you're right - the Mavs love their white boys and it seems like a black star would be treated more like a guest than one of their own.. That's just a quick hottake but there's some truth in there

[FultzNationRISE]

I'll get to the race factor in a second

But firstly - regardless of any obsession, I'm right on this

Ball-dominators like Luka, Westbrook, Lebron, Harden etc - they have poor chemistry and teammate development - this is FACTUAL... :confusedshrug:... so they can't win organically... :confusedshrug:

People think it's coincidence that Lebron never won organically but that's false - it's a function of his skillset - he imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win..

That's why he's so much of a fraud - he literally doesn't know how to win (organic.. chemistry) and just forms all-star teams (talent-based winning).. He goes 1/4 and leaves teams in shambles

Regarding the Mavericks and race - you're right - the Mavs love their white boys and it seems like a black star would be treated more like a guest than one of their own.. That's just a quick hottake but there's some truth in there

They made red carpet free agency pitches to Deron Williams and Dwight Howard among others long before they drafted Luka or traded for KP.

Like any team attempting to compete, they go after the best players available and sign the best ones that will come.

Theres literally nothing racial about it :lol

[tontoz]

Back in the day i remember their big free agent signing was.....Eric Dampier :oldlol:

Seemed like a big overpay but they were desperate to get a center with size who could play D.

[RRR3]

SNIVELBALL :roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ba11]

Back in the day i remember their big free agent signing was.....Eric Dampier :oldlol:

Seemed like a big overpay but they were desperate to get a center with size who could play D.


If they land a "Shaq" in free agency, then sure, Luka can win... But he won't 3-peat... His poor brand of ball will always cause favored talent to underachieve..

Again, this is based on the historical record - Lebron's preseason favorites fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16') except the Ray Allen miracle.. Again, that's a poor brand causing favored talent to underachieve.. Lebron also lost with 1 seeds or preseason favorite in 09', 10', 21' and 22'

[Druckenmiller]

I mean they might win but it’s not like they have a very good roster around him It took Dirk years and years to win and they finally got the right role players around him — namely Tyson Chandler and Jason Kidd.

Dallas has a hard time attracting FAs and they don’t have any meaningful assets to bring in anyone via trade.

He took them pretty far last year with a bunch of role players, cast offs and bums. If he and Jayson Tatum traded teams, straight up, Boston walks to a title.

[3ba11]

I mean they might win but it’s not like they have a very good roster around him It took Dirk years and years to win and they finally got the right role players around him — namely Tyson Chandler and Jason Kidd.

Dallas has a hard time attracting FAs and they don’t have any meaningful assets to bring in anyone via trade.

He took them pretty far last year with a bunch of role players, cast offs and bums. If he and Jayson Tatum traded teams, straight up, Boston walks to a title.


Kidd was like 2010 Shaq - completely washed up

It's funny that people pretend he was still a great player

The reality is that Dirk won the 2011 title with nothing - those Mavs won via superior chemistry than the Heat - not superior talent

Ultimately, Dirk was great off-ball and had elite jumpshooting skill, so he had great chemistry that allowed organic winning with marginal cast

Otoh, Luka doesn't play off-ball and lacks elite jumpshooting skill, so he has bad chemistry and can't win organically.

People forget that ball-dominators like Luka/Lebron can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they need all-time scorers and elite 1st options to play sidekick and nearly match their Finals scoring.. Otoh, off-ball guys like Dirk, Curry or MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary producers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen or Klay.

[sdot_thadon]

High fructose corn syrup

[3ba11]

High fructose corn syrup


The skillset of Luka and Lebron has bad teammate development, chemistry and brand of ball (low assist teams), so they can't win organically

You can pretend this makes no sense, but anyone can tell that it does and that you're taking the beta route (deflecting)

[ShawkFactory]

Kidd was an all star in 2010 and still very effective defensively and as a leader on both ends. He was giving 36 minutes a game in the playoffs and was the undoubted "quarterback" of the team.

Dirk had an awesome run but that team was unbelievable defensively in the playoffs. They gave up 100 points 3 times in 21 games.

[3ba11]

Kidd was an all star in 2010 and still very effective defensively and as a leader on both ends. He was giving 36 minutes a game in the playoffs and was the undoubted "quarterback" of the team.

Dirk had an awesome run but that team was unbelievable defensively in the playoffs. They gave up 100 points 3 times in 21 games.


Shaq was all-star MVP in 2009

Anything else?

The reality is that Dirk won the 2011 title with nothing

aka those Mavs won with superior chemistry than the Heat - not superior talent

Ultimately, Dirk was great off-ball and had elite jumpshooting skill, so he had great chemistry that allowed organic winning with marginal cast

Otoh, Luka doesn't play off-ball and lacks elite jumpshooting skill, so he has bad chemistry and can't win organically or with marginal cast

[FultzNationRISE]

The skillset of Luka and Lebron has bad teammate development, chemistry and brand of ball (low assist teams), so they can't win organically

You can pretend this makes no sense, but anyone can tell that it does and that you're taking the beta route (deflecting)

Luka’s extreme level of ball dominance is a legitimate concern, I agree about that.

But even still, you cant deny the fact that Lebron > MJ

[ShawkFactory]

Shaq was all-star MVP in 2009

Anything else?

The reality is that Dirk won the 2011 title with nothing - those Mavs won with superior chemistry than the Heat - not superior talent

Ultimately, Dirk was great off-ball and had elite jumpshooting skill, so he had great chemistry that allowed organic winning with marginal cast

Otoh, Luka doesn't play off-ball and lacks elite jumpshooting skill, so he has bad chemistry and can't win organically or with marginal cast

Well besides the fact that he played 10 minutes and received a nice nod as co-MVP with Kobe because the game was in Phoenix...Everything else I said...

Kidd was not washed like that. He played 2 more years after that season while Shaq played half on one and retired. He played 37 minutes a game in the finals while Shaq played 23 in the second round.

Not the same level of thing.

[sdot_thadon]

The skillset of Luka and Lebron has bad teammate development, chemistry and brand of ball (low assist teams), so they can't win organically

You can pretend this makes no sense, but anyone can tell that it does and that you're taking the beta route (deflecting)

Pesticides and fertilizer

Honestly it's just another in a long line of stupid takes that age poorly for you. Luka has a career ahead of him still. And your concept of organic is silly, it doesn't pass the smell test.

[tontoz]

If they land a "Shaq" in free agency, then sure, Luka can win... But he won't 3-peat... His poor brand of ball will always cause favored talent to underachieve..

Again, this is based on the historical record - Lebron's preseason favorites fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16') except the Ray Allen miracle.. Again, that's a poor brand causing favored talent to underachieve.. Lebron also lost with 1 seeds or preseason favorite in 09', 10', 21' and 22'

He got to the WCF without another All-Star, or anyone close to an All-Star.

[Wally450]

Winning organically is a myth. That includes your shitty Bulls teams.

[90sgoat]

Setting aside OPs Lebron obsession, something about Dallas seems to rub black guys the wrong way. In theory Dallas should be attactive to free agents...big glamorous city, good owner, no state tax. But for some reason they dont want to play there. Their record of signing free agents is surprisingly bad.

Then why does Mark Cuban continue to go after big black bucks? Does he have cuckold fetish?

Sorry for the casual racism, but Mavs would have much better luck going after euro-players like Valanciunas, Nurkic, Gallo, Markanen etc.

Why this constant idiotic attempt to think that this is the year that a black star will sign with them?

It will NEVER happen and definitely not as a sidekick to White Boi Luka.

[90sgoat]

Kidd was like 2010 Shaq - completely washed up

It's funny that people pretend he was still a great player

Kidd was great defensively in 2011 and still very solid offensively in terms of coaching.

Heck, Kidd was the reason that Melo made a playoff run with Knicks.

[NBAGOAT]

Then why does Mark Cuban continue to go after big black bucks? Does he have cuckold fetish?

Sorry for the casual racism, but Mavs would have much better luck going after euro-players like Valanciunas, Nurkic, Gallo, Markanen etc.

Why this constant idiotic attempt to think that this is the year that a black star will sign with them?

It will NEVER happen and definitely not as a sidekick to White Boi Luka.

oh good lord. dallas has built a defensive identity and of those guys only nurkic plays good defense and he wasnt available(dallas has no cap space to sign him)

[Carbine]

Kidd was pretty washed in 2011 compared to what he was.

It was like what Ray Allen was to the Heat. Still a valuable piece but not 'Ray Allen" you associate the name with.

[FultzNationRISE]

Then why does Mark Cuban continue to go after big black bucks? Does he have cuckold fetish?

Sorry for the casual racism, but Mavs would have much better luck going after euro-players like Valanciunas, Nurkic, Gallo, Markanen etc.

Why this constant idiotic attempt to think that this is the year that a black star will sign with them?

It will NEVER happen and definitely not as a sidekick to White Boi Luka.


:wtf:

:roll:

On a sociological level it’s interesting to see in real time how an urban legend like “Black people dont want Dallas and Dallas dont want black people” develops when there is absolutely zero basis for it whatsoever.

Yet somehow the narrative gets a foothold, grows, and morphs.

Fascinating.

[DMAVS41]

Kidd was like 2010 Shaq - completely washed up

It's funny that people pretend he was still a great player

The reality is that Dirk won the 2011 title with nothing - those Mavs won via superior chemistry than the Heat - not superior talent

Ultimately, Dirk was great off-ball and had elite jumpshooting skill, so he had great chemistry that allowed organic winning with marginal cast

Otoh, Luka doesn't play off-ball and lacks elite jumpshooting skill, so he has bad chemistry and can't win organically.

People forget that ball-dominators like Luka/Lebron can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they need all-time scorers and elite 1st options to play sidekick and nearly match their Finals scoring.. Otoh, off-ball guys like Dirk, Curry or MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary producers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen or Klay.

I'm probably as high or higher on Dirk than anyone...and to call that supporting cast "nothing" is absurd.

As noted in this thread...the previous Mavs teams failed to give Dirk a quality center that could protect the paint, rebound, and rim run...they got that in Chandler and he was awesome. Terry, while obviously a weak 2nd option for a title winning team, stepped up and played the best ball of his career.

Kidd / Marion provided smart play and great defense as well.

Peja and Barea had their moments....as well as Stevenson.

Was is a great title winning supporting cast? No, it was definitely well below average, but the guys stepped up when it mattered most and they won...not nothing.

As for Luka...he just dragged a bunch of 2nd round picks...most of them developed by the Mavericks with Luka...to the WCF. All he's done so far in his career is play great and then play even better in the playoffs while overachieving so far.

I'll worry about Luka when the Mavericks give him a legit title winning supporting cast and don't have great success.

[3ba11]

Pesticides and fertilizer

Honestly it's just another in a long line of stupid takes that age poorly for you. Luka has a career ahead of him still. And your concept of organic is silly, it doesn't pass the smell test.


You don't have to win with only drafted players to be organic - anything in the normal course and morays of GM'ing are fair game and allowed, like trades or acquisitions

The "organic" path/definition is the following:



After getting drafted, a player builds sufficient chemistry, system and player development to win with the cast that management drafted and acquired.


This requires skillsets that allow good teammate development and fits, which Lebron's doesn't.. His frontcourt ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy.. team-hopping)

All the organic winners like the 90's Bulls, 04' Pistons, 11' Mavs, Spurs or Warriors developed the best chemistry and brand of ball in the league - that's how teams win organically - they develop the best chemistry in the league.. Unfortunately, Lebron/Luka-ball don't allow this.

But when a team develops the best chemistry and wins organically, it's common for otherwise pedestrian producers and non-dominators like Wiggins, Pippen, Klay or Middleton to get inflated to all-time status when they would otherwise be like Jerami Grant or something outside the dynasty system.

Outside the dynasty system, Wiggins was Wiggins (perceived as weak), while Pippen was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle (89', 99').

[90sgoat]

:wtf:

:roll:

On a sociological level it’s interesting to see in real time how an urban legend like “Black people dont want Dallas and Dallas dont want black people” develops when there is absolutely zero basis for it whatsoever.

Yet somehow the narrative gets a foothold, grows, and morphs.

Fascinating.

Imagine being Mark Cuban driving around in his car desperately trying to find Deandre Jordan so he can bang his wife.

[3ba11]

I'm probably as high or higher on Dirk than anyone...and to call that supporting cast "nothing" is absurd.

As noted in this thread...the previous Mavs teams failed to give Dirk a quality center that could protect the paint, rebound, and rim run...they got that in Chandler and he was awesome. Terry, while obviously a weak 2nd option for a title winning team, stepped up and played the best ball of his career.

Kidd / Marion provided smart play and great defense as well.

Peja and Barea had their moments....as well as Stevenson.

Was is a great title winning supporting cast? No, it was definitely well below average, but the guys stepped up when it mattered most and they won...not nothing.

As for Luka...he just dragged a bunch of 2nd round picks...most of them developed by the Mavericks with Luka...to the WCF. All he's done so far in his career is play great and then play even better in the playoffs while overachieving so far.

I'll worry about Luka when the Mavericks give him a legit title winning supporting cast and don't have great success.


Lebron always had all-time scorers and elite 1st options to play sidekick that nearly matched his Finals scoring

Dirk had a secondary producer at sidekick (Terry)

Lebron could never win with that kind of scoring help and infact needs the most scoring help in the history of basketball.. He needs the most supporting talent because he lacks brand/chemistry... 2 + 2 = 4

Specifically, his frontcourt ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players thereby needing ready-made stars to win.

Additionally, he can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand of ball to beat Finals teams, which necessitates elite-scoring sidekicks that nearly match his Finals scoring.

Otoh, off-ball experts like Curry or MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen that average far less in the Finals than the 1st option.. The lesser scoring threat at 2nd option forced Jordan or Curry to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

[GrayGoat]

It doesn’t matter what op says cuz of Luka does win he will flip flop and have him in his top 10 like Giannis

[DMAVS41]

Lebron always had all-time scorers and elite 1st options to play sidekick that nearly matched his Finals scoring

Dirk had a secondary producer at sidekick (Terry)

Lebron could never win with that kind of scoring help and infact needs the most scoring help in the history of basketball.. He needs the most supporting talent because he lacks brand/chemistry... 2 + 2 = 4

Specifically, his frontcourt ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players thereby needing ready-made stars to win.

Additionally, he can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand of ball to beat Finals teams, which necessitates elite-scoring sidekicks that nearly match his Finals scoring.

Otoh, off-ball experts like Curry or MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen that average far less in the Finals than the 1st option.. The lesser scoring threat at 2nd option forced Jordan or Curry to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

None of that has anything to do with calling the Mavs supporting cast in 2011..."nothing"...they are either over-rated by Dirk haters...pretending somehow Dirk wasn't by far the best player and by far the most important piece...and now grossly under-rated by you calling it "nothing"

It was a low end supporting cast that saw their best player play truly elite all-time great in the playoffs...and come through time and time again with a thin margin for winning...and Dirk probably deserves more credit than he gets for pulling that off given the kind of credit that some other players get winning in far easier circumstances and with more help.

However, those other guys really stepped up and complemented Dirk well. Tyson Chandler isn't some all-time great player...however, his skillset and ability was exactly what the Mavericks always needed next to Dirk. Terry finally stepped up in the playoffs rather than wilting...etc.

[StrongLurk]

You don't have to win with only drafted players to be organic - anything in the normal course and morays of GM'ing are fair game and allowed, like trades or acquisitions

The "organic" path/definition is the following:



After getting drafted, a player builds sufficient chemistry, system and player development to win with the cast that management drafted and acquired.


This requires skillsets that allow good teammate development and fits, which Lebron's doesn't.. His frontcourt ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy.. team-hopping)

All the organic winners like the 90's Bulls, 04' Pistons, 11' Mavs, Spurs or Warriors developed the best chemistry and brand of ball in the league - that's how teams win organically - they develop the best chemistry in the league.. Unfortunately, Lebron/Luka-ball don't allow this.

But when a team develops the best chemistry and wins organically, it's common for otherwise pedestrian producers and non-dominators like Wiggins, Pippen, Klay or Middleton to get inflated to all-time status when they would otherwise be like Jerami Grant or something outside the dynasty system.

Outside the dynasty system, Wiggins was Wiggins (perceived as weak), while Pippen was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle (89', 99').

Let's face it, you don't have a real definition of "organic". Or it's SO specific that it's ultimately meaningless. All the teams you listed won in very different ways and got plenty of players via free agency, trades, and the draft of course. So you could literally argue that players on the SAME championship team had a mix of organic and inorganic rings. Basically your "organic" stuff is mostly nonsense.

[King Baron]

Are you trying to say Luka wouldn't win with prime Shaq or prime Pippen, Horace Grant/Rodman? Is Jalen Brunson the equivalent of 2001 Shaq in your eyes? "Organic." Just because the Mavericks haven't placed a better roster around Luka doesn't mean anything about him individually.

I recall Kobe was going to be drafted to the Hornets but didn't want to go there. Shaq signed as a free agent. Was that "organic"?

[3ba11]

Are you trying to say Luka wouldn't win with prime Shaq or prime Pippen, Horace Grant/Rodman? Is Jalen Brunson the equivalent of 2001 Shaq in your eyes? "Organic." Just because the Mavericks haven't placed a better roster around Luka doesn't mean anything about him individually.

I recall Kobe was going to be drafted to the Hornets but didn't want to go there. Shaq signed as a free agent. Was that "organic"?


Luka lacks the skills and IQ to play the triangle.... :yaohappy:... :facepalm:

Do you know that his assisted rate was 5% in the playoffs?.. The guy sucks!!

He thinks that getting 13 assists while the team gets 16 total is good basketball....

Only MJ/Kobe could win with the triangle.. :kobe:.. MJ literally invented the footwork needed to average 30 in it (within the offense)..

Kobe led the NBA in playoff clutch points (last 5 within 5) for the 00' Playoffs and 01' & 02'.. they don't win shit without him or MJ in the no-dribble triangle

[3ba11]

None of that has anything to do with calling the Mavs supporting cast in 2011..."nothing"...they are either over-rated by Dirk haters...pretending somehow Dirk wasn't by far the best player and by far the most important piece...and now grossly under-rated by you calling it "nothing"

It was a low end supporting cast that saw their best player play truly elite all-time great in the playoffs...and come through time and time again with a thin margin for winning...and Dirk probably deserves more credit than he gets for pulling that off given the kind of credit that some other players get winning in far easier circumstances and with more help.

However, those other guys really stepped up and complemented Dirk well. Tyson Chandler isn't some all-time great player...however, his skillset and ability was exactly what the Mavericks always needed next to Dirk. Terry finally stepped up in the playoffs rather than wilting...etc.


Jason Terry is the worst winning sidekick ever - I concede that he's worse than Pippen (although barely)

It's harder to win with a secondary producer like Terry that makes the #1 option average far more in the Finals then an all-time player like AD, Wade or Kyrie that nearly match the #1 option in Finals scoring

Terry forces Dirk to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load), while all-time sidekicks like Kareem, Wade, AD and Kyrie nearly match the #1 option in the Finals - they nearly attract equal defensive attention so Lebron never defeats maximum defensive attention.

[FilmyCogTurner]

I will agree Luka dominates the rock a bit too much but what kind of system would you like to see the Mavs run?

[fsvr54]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SneakyBothArcticfox-size_restricted.gif

Holy shit lol

[sdot_thadon]

You don't have to win with only drafted players to be organic - anything in the normal course and morays of GM'ing are fair game and allowed, like trades or acquisitions

The "organic" path/definition is the following:



After getting drafted, a player builds sufficient chemistry, system and player development to win with the cast that management drafted and acquired.


This requires skillsets that allow good teammate development and fits, which Lebron's doesn't.. His frontcourt ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy.. team-hopping)

All the organic winners like the 90's Bulls, 04' Pistons, 11' Mavs, Spurs or Warriors developed the best chemistry and brand of ball in the league - that's how teams win organically - they develop the best chemistry in the league.. Unfortunately, Lebron/Luka-ball don't allow this.

But when a team develops the best chemistry and wins organically, it's common for otherwise pedestrian producers and non-dominators like Wiggins, Pippen, Klay or Middleton to get inflated to all-time status when they would otherwise be like Jerami Grant or something outside the dynasty system.

Outside the dynasty system, Wiggins was Wiggins (perceived as weak), while Pippen was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle (89', 99').

Grass-fed bullshit.

Your version of organic constantly stumbles over itself and gets tangled up in all your backtracking nonsense. So now organic is teams acquiring players, ha. You can't even make up your own mind. Lebron's teams both acquired players and developed chemistry well enough to win 4 chips. So really what you've proved here is Lebron is so great that he's the only superstar ever that's been able to fast track championship chemistry with multiple rosters and franchises. Not to mention build finals level chemistry 10 times. All the other guys need years to build championship chemistry and some never even reach that level at all. Yet Lebron has proven time and time again that he can basically "manifest" this high level chemistry when just given a single offseason. Hence his status as the only guy to ever capture fmvp for 3 different cities. Very eye opening discoveries 3ball, thanks for the hard work.

[DMAVS41]

Jason Terry is the worst winning sidekick ever - I concede that he's worse than Pippen (although barely)

It's harder to win with a secondary producer like Terry that makes the #1 option average far more in the Finals then an all-time player like AD, Wade or Kyrie that nearly match the #1 option in Finals scoring

Terry forces Dirk to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load), while all-time sidekicks like Kareem, Wade, AD and Kyrie nearly match the #1 option in the Finals - they nearly attract equal defensive attention so Lebron never defeats maximum defensive attention.

Not true. 20 year old Tony Parker in 2003 was a worse player than Terry was in 2011...don't even think it is a question to be honest.

You are correct that winning a title without a secondary player like Terry makes it much harder for the superstar, but you are diminishing what Terry did. He played really well overall and was incredibly clutch consistently...especially in the finals.

[NBAGOAT]

Luka is good enough I can see him winning with just one all star and this pretty good cast of role players in an average year. Not a dominant star either, just a decent scoring wing who doesn’t hurt Dallas’ great defense like say Middleton. It’ll be a tragedy if Cuban can’t even get him that kind of help over his next contact