"Rasheed Wallace would be better than Giannis in today's NBA" - Iggy

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/12/andre-iguodala-rasheed-wallace-better-than-giannis-antetokounmpo-todays-nba/

Now do you see why players opinions shouldn't be taken serious? :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

I think it was Charles Oakley who also claimed Giannis would be coming off the bench in the 90’s :lol

[3ba11]

https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/12/andre-iguodala-rasheed-wallace-better-than-giannis-antetokounmpo-todays-nba/

Now do you see why players opinions shouldn't be taken serious? :lol


Give Rasheed the modern handle and he would be similar to Giannis but with a far superior jumper - Sheed could really shoot it from anywhere and had the goat turnaround jumper

Guys like Banchero, Lebron, Giannis - these guys are basically what Karl Malone or Kemp would look like if they had handle

[FultzNationRISE]

Well in truth, a significant amount of Giannis’ impact derives from how questionably the game is officiated.

I think these guys are basically just highlighting the fact that there probably has never been a star with less actual basketball skill, which old heads like to rag on as a “sign of the times” - when in reality it’s more just a Giannis-specific thing.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

More skilled, yes. Definitely not better though.

I bet Iguodala thinks KG would be the GOAT today. Hah!

[tontoz]

:facepalm

Sheed just jacked up jumpers. He wasn't a guy who attacked the basket off the dribble. Didnt get to the foul line much at all. Good defender but lousy rebounder.

Not even remotely comparable to Giannis.

[fsvr54]

https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/12/andre-iguodala-rasheed-wallace-better-than-giannis-antetokounmpo-todays-nba/

Now do you see why players opinions shouldn't be taken serious? :lol

He's right though.

If the league called actually basketball rules, Giannis would be a nobody.

[LLL3]

Sheed wasn't very athletic. Certainty not the freak Giannis is. He wasn't clutch at all. He wasn't very coachable, an great defender or a great team leader. In no way shape or form was Sheed better than Giannis other than a jump shot. On every successful team Sheed was on there were at least 2 other team leaders ahead of him.

I love Iggy but let's be honest, he's not the brightest guy in the world

[highwhey]

He's right though.

If the league called actually basketball rules, Giannis would be a nobody.

this

[3ba11]

Sheed wasn't very athletic.





Stop posting immediately

[Kblaze8855]

Not at all. It doesn’t matter what field we talk about the people recognized as experts due to their training and experience will have someone among them who has something weird to say. People go to years of prestigious school, practice law 30 years, become judges and then 2 of them disagree on what “Be infringed” means in the constitution.

Being more informed than the public doesn’t mean equally informed people will agree or that a bad take among them means the uninformed public is a better source of information on the subject.

There’s always that 10th dentist in the “9 out of ten dentists recommended…” commercial. Finding that guy and posting his odd opinion on brushing doesn’t mean dentists don’t know more about teeth than strippers.

[Kblaze8855]

He's right though.

If the league called actually basketball rules, Giannis would be a nobody.


If Giannis never dribbled at all and did nothing on offense but roll for lobs he’d still be a 17-18 ppg DPOY. There is nothing you could do to make Giannis a nobody.

[3ba11]

If Rasheed had a modern handle, he would be a little less explosive than Giannis but a better shooter

All these guys - Lebron, Banchero, Giannis - they're all just the Karl Malone's or Kemp's or Barkley's... WITH MODERN HANDLE

That's the only difference - the superior handle (and vastly inferior 2-point ability)

[r15mohd]

If Rasheed had a modern handle, he would be a little less explosive than Giannis but a better shooter

All these guys - Lebron, Banchero, Giannis - they're all just the Karl Malone's or Kemp's or Barkley's... WITH MODERN HANDLE

That's the only difference - the superior handle (and vastly inferior 2-point ability)

here we go with the if's...if you want to play that, give Giannis Wallace's jumper and he's the GOAT.

Wallace is not athletic enough to be even remotely close to what Giannis...there's a reason he's called the freak

[FultzNationRISE]

If Giannis never dribbled at all and did nothing on offense but roll for lobs he’d still be a 17-18 ppg DPOY. There is nothing you could do to make Giannis a nobody.

So basically, Marc Gasol.

Which probably over sells it a bit because Gasol could facilitate offense too. Just catching lobs is something any Miles Bridges out there can do.

I mean yeah hed still be a nice player but if he cant ragdoll guys without consequence, hes probably not even Gasol or Draymond Green level.

Thats a pretty far cry from B2B MVP....

[Kblaze8855]

Its a much further cry from nothing.

Worse defenders and rebounders than Giannis who also don’t have the athletic ability to be the designated roll dunker and putback scorer are noteworthy.

No dribbling Giannis would be like the midpoint between Marion and Gobert but with 2006 Lebron athletic ability to run the floor in a league with great pace and small ball bigs. He’d probably put up 18/15 and win 3 DPOY.

[bizil]

NO WAY IN HELL! Sheed is a GREAT EXAMPLE of a very SKILLED inside-outside scoring threat who NEVER HAD the alpha dog scoring gene. Or in other words he NEVER PROVED to be a legit #1 option-great scorer. Sheed of course was a very good defender as well. I give Sheed props for being a great team player. He played on that very deep Portland team. And of course got the chip on the those great Detroit teams. But he played SO MUCH IN THE FLOW he likely cost himself and HOF berth. Either that OR he simply played to the max of his ability.


Instead of 4 All Star Games you would think Sheed would have 8 of those deals. He never made an All NBA team. These things DON'T HAPPEN to superstar level players!!! For all intents and purposes, Giannis is the CLOSEST we've seen to a 7 foot version of Lebron. I'm NOT SAYING they play exactly the same. But Bron is the BEST BLEND of scoring, passing, rebounding, defense, positional versatility, and athletic ability we've EVER SEEN among SF's. Or perimeter players in general.

Giannis REPS THAT that same type of package for the PF position. Giannis combines those elements BETTER than any PF ever. I'm NOT SAYING Giannis the GOAT PF yet. Timmy still has that crown. I'm NOT SAYING Giannis the most skilled PF ever. TBut I can say this.... Giannis the most PHYSICALLY DOMINANT PF I've ever seen. And quite frankly the BEST PF I've ever seen in a peak-prime type of sense.

Sheed as skilled as he was NEVER PROVED to be close to that level. Giannis woulda been a beast in ANY ERA! People gotta realize Giannis handle and freak athletic ability would have SUPERCEDED the ****** in his scoring skillset. At the SF, PF, or C, Giannis would have KILLED IT in any era!

[tontoz]

^^ yeah forgot about that. Sheed didn't want to be a go to scorer. He was one of those guys who you wanted to be more aggressive.

He never even made 1 All-NBA team and people want to compare him to Giannis. D U M B

[Axe]

here we go with the if's...if you want to play that, give Giannis Wallace's jumper and he's the GOAT.

Wallace is not athletic enough to be even remotely close to what Giannis...there's a reason he's called the freak
Freight train

[Xiao Yao You]

Rasheed should have been one of the best players when he played. He wasn't. He was a headcase. He wouldn't be better than Giannis

[sdot_thadon]

I think it was Charles Oakley who also claimed Giannis would be coming off the bench in the 90’s :lol

Sounds silly, but that said he wouldn't be allowed to handle the ball as much in the 90's I'd imagine.

[John8204]

Rasheed should have been one of the best players when he played. He wasn't. He was a headcase. He wouldn't be better than Giannis

Iggy is exaggerating but no way would the officials been able to get away with Wallace's treatment post Donald Sterling


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70Cr1_Ff4T4&t=9s

[Jasper]

https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/12/andre-iguodala-rasheed-wallace-better-than-giannis-antetokounmpo-todays-nba/

Now do you see why players opinions shouldn't be taken serious? :lol:oldlol:

:roll:

:roll:

iggy ....

[ImKobe]

It's true. Anyone who actually saw prime/peak Sheed knows he could have been a top 20 GOAT.

[bizil]

It's true. Anyone who actually saw prime/peak Sheed knows he could have been a top 20 GOAT.

The question is WOULD SHEED up the ante scoring wise in this era?? Would he adopt an alpha dog mentality? Even if he did I STILL SAY Giannis would be the better player. Giannis is the better passer. Among the top 10 passing PF's of all time. A better rebounder. Among the top 10 rebounding PF's of all time. A better defender. 2 Time DPOY. And is capable of defending all five positions. Jus sayin that's a HUGE STATEMENT for Iggy to say Sheed would be better than Giannis. That's PRETTY MUCH SAYING Sheed would be the best PF of ALL TIME peak-prime wise. Because that's the level Giannis is on.

Only thing stopping Portland from winning a ring was THE LACK of an alpha dog scorer. ONLY reason 2000s era Pistons didn't become a dynasty is for the same reason. ON BOTH TEAMS, Sheed was the MOST EQUIPPED for that role. In terms of the mismatches he can cause with his inside-outside scoring ability. In his younger days his freak athletic ability on top of it. YET he never got to that level. Some say he played TOO MUCH IN THE FLOW on very talented teams. OTHERS will say Sheed NEVER had that type of scoring ability to begin with. EVEN IF Sheed was on an average team, chances are he still would average 16-20 PPG.

This AINT A DISS to Sheed at all. Jus saying IF you are gonna compare him to Giannis, you AT MINIMUM gotta be an alpha dog scorer with VERY GOOD all around floor game to go with. Giannis is too complete across the board for ANYTHING LESS! Once Giannis came around with his scoring ability it was a mere formality he would be the best player in the league at some point. And EVERYBODY needs to keep in mind RESULTS trumps skill! More skilled doesn't mean better in all cases. I'm sure Iggy said that MAINLY BECAUSE Sheed is a very skilled scorer. But Sheed NEVER MANIFESTED IT into becoming a GREAT SCORER who can carry a team!!!

[FilmyCogTurner]

Sheed wasn't very athletic.

No offense bro but you should be banned for this. I'm not saying indefinitely but for a few months at least.


Give Rasheed the modern handle and he would be similar to Giannis but with a far superior jumper - Sheed could really shoot it from anywhere and had the goat turnaround jumper

Guys like Banchero, Lebron, Giannis - these guys are basically what Karl Malone or Kemp would look like if they had handle

It's Anthony Davis man... just call it Anthony Davis. That as close as were going to get to modern day Sheed.

[GOBB]

Rasheed wasnt athletic? That’s a lie. Rasheed was a headcase? Over exaggeration. Rasheed was underrated but the problem with him then that would be present in todays game? He didn’t CARE to be Giannis ie the best, top 5 etc. he was comfortable doing just enough. But not pushing himself to do more which he was capable of from a talent standpoint. He could’ve been better than a lot of his peers. KG most notably. Didn’t have that motor or drive. Iggy is tripping.

[SATAN]

1 more NBA player not to be taken seriously to the list. I know some "jocks" are generally dumbasses but to be so clueless about something you spent your life doing is mind blowing.

[Toizumi]

Sheed is my second favorite player of all time. He was not and would not in any era be better than Giannis.

[nayte]

Stupid take but whatever.each to their own

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tagged Wallace was a career 32% threw point shooter. Antoine Walker was a career 32.5% three point shooter. Walker had a higher career rebounding average and a higher single season rebounding average. Walker did shoot significantly worse from the field overall ( 46 to 41) but Wallace only averaged 14 points.

I don't think anyone would compare Antoine Walker to one of the greatest forwards of all time. The perception of talent can be a funny thing. One of the best ways to basically get credit for nothing.

[iamgine]

Iguodala's saying IF Sheed had that mentality.

[jayfan]

If Rasheed had a modern handle, he would be a little less explosive than Giannis but a better shooter

All these guys - Lebron, Banchero, Giannis - they're all just the Karl Malone's or Kemp's or Barkley's... WITH MODERN HANDLE

That's the only difference - the superior handle (and vastly inferior 2-point ability)


And if Giannis had a post-up game, he'd be Hakeem on steroids. We could play the, "add a skill from different eras" game all day long. What's the point? Sheed had no handle.

Sheed enjoyed floating on the perimeter, and he could shoot. But Sheed earned his money and stature on the block, with his back to the basket, either going quick turn-around or going to work on his man. That no longer exists in today's game, unfortunately.

He'd be worth less today than in his day.

[Shooter]

https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/12/andre-iguodala-rasheed-wallace-better-than-giannis-antetokounmpo-todays-nba/

Now do you see why players opinions shouldn't be taken serious? :lol


+1

NBA players often are even more emotionally invested than Kobe fans that think he's top 7

[plowking]

Yep. Players get caught up in stupidity and narrative more than fans.

I remember a discussion in 2013 or 2014 amongst rookies coming into the league, and they were asking who the best player in the league was in their opinion... Carmelo Anthony came up...

The rookies explanation - "who got a smoother jumper than Melo?"

Another one sat there and just said "you right"...

And just like that, somehow Melo was considered the best player in the league by two rookies lol...


These players that spout "you can't talk because you never played" are the worst. Yes we can. Same way you can be a great coach, but terrible player. Great theory, but terrible in practice exists.

[Xiao Yao You]

And if Giannis had a post-up game, he'd be Hakeem on steroids. We could play the, "add a skill from different eras" game all day long. What's the point? Sheed had no handle.

Sheed enjoyed floating on the perimeter, and he could shoot. But Sheed earned his money and stature on the block, with his back to the basket, either going quick turn-around or going to work on his man. That no longer exists in today's game, unfortunately.

He'd be worth less today than in his day.

He preferred floating on the perimeter. That was his problem. He was one of the best post players ever. He'd certainly prefer playing today where he could just spot up in a corner all night

[StrongLurk]

:roll:

[FilmyCogTurner]

Rasheed was the weirdest combination of passion and indifference all at the same time - was frustrating to watch.

[jayfan]

He preferred floating on the perimeter. That was his problem. He was one of the best post players ever. He'd certainly prefer playing today where he could just spot up in a corner all night

Yes, exactly.

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[dankok8]

Sheed's problem was his mentality. He's on the short list of most talented bigs to have played the game. Very big and strong with excellent defensive fundamentals, killer in the post, great jumper out to the 3pt line, could even pass pretty well. His problem was his mentality... was a headcase for a long time but Sheed's talent is undeniable. Better than Giannis though? Questionable considering Giannis's peak is not too far below the best ever.

[Meticode]

Wallace's problem was his mentality. Giannis doesn't shy away from the best part of his game. Fast breaks and working in the post. He uses his strengths to his advantages and doesn't fall in love with the weak part of his game very often (shooting). Wallace has an excellent post game, but he shy'd away from it more times than not. Whle Wallace could shoot for a big guy, it wasn't like he was excellent. 33% for his career is average.

Wallace didn't even average a double double in a season. He didn't even average 20 points in a season.

Giannis hasn't even peaked yet. He's going to be going into his 9th season, at 27 years old. He's already had a 27/10 season, 27/12 season, 29.5/13 season, 28/11 season and just came off a 29.9/11 season. Why evencompared Wallace to him? Giannis had a better year by his 4th or 5th year in the league than Wallace did in his entire career.

[tontoz]

Funny story from the Herd. Cowherd used to work in Portland and cover Sheed. He said Sheed would write a check at the start of the season to pay for all his fines for the year for not working out. :oldlol:

[Iverson3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beH4x2ivacM

I think if Rasheed Wallace have the Alpha Male Mentality/Go to guy Mentality and not being a head case. In Andre Iguodala's mind Rasheed is the Original Anthony Davis"