Lebron didn't "do it the right way" - he was just the 1st to choose to team-up

[3ba11]

so he could wait for the right time..

Otoh, KD's team-hopping moves look clumsy and wrong because he's playing catch-up... Durant was 6 years behind by 2017, so his only options to catch up are hail mary's

But he never wanted to collude and held out for 6 years - Lebron forced him to collude and now he's getting blamed instead of Lebron (1st mover in the colluding space)

[AlternativeAcc.]

Heat weren't talented after Wade's injuries

And before that they were massively top heavy

So LeBron chose a road where he had to manufacture chemistry in a short span and carry average cast

None of what you write has anything to do with basketball

[SouBeachTalents]

:biggums:

I honestly wonder if there’s a poster on another forum who’s as singularly obsessed with one topic/person like OP is. I’m sure there is, but he’s got to be in the top (or bottom) 1%.

[3ba11]

Heat weren't talented after Wade's injuries

And before that they were massively top heavy

So LeBron chose a road where he had to manufacture chemistry in a short span and carry average cast

None of what you write has anything to do with basketball


Why does Lebron need Wade or AD to be like Kobe or Duncan to win?

Why isn't 23/9 from AD and 20/5/5 from Wade enough? (Pippen-caliber)??

From 2013 to 2016, Wade was an all-star that averaged 20/5/5 and 21 PER - he was a possession away from carrying the 16' Heat to the ECF and was a star in those playoffs

So you're just lying

Plus Lebron had Bosh, Allen, Birdman, Battier, Miller Haslem and more - a deep, big 3 super-team... :confusedshrug:

Ultimately, Lebron's super-team collusions stole organic rings from Durant in 2012, Duncan in 13' and Curry in 16' - the "decision" had completely locked down the league.. So people should be happy that Durant got to hand-pick the preseason favorite in 17' after Lebron did it the previous 6 years (11-16')

[RRR3]

:biggums:

I honestly wonder if there’s a poster on another forum who’s as singularly obsessed with one topic/person like OP is. I’m sure there is, but he’s got to be in the top (or bottom) 1%.
Idk if there is. He is legitimately sick.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Why does Lebron need Wade or AD to be like Kobe or Duncan to win?

Why isn't 23/9 from AD and 20/5/5 from Wade enough? (Pippen-caliber)??

From 2013 to 2016, Wade was an all-star that averaged 20/5/5 and 21 PER - he was a possession away from carrying the 16' Heat to the ECF and was a star in those playoffs

So you're just lying

Plus Lebron had Bosh, Allen, Birdman, Battier, Miller Haslem and more - a deep, big 3 super-team... :confusedshrug:

Ultimately, Lebron's super-team collusions stole organic rings from Durant in 2012, Duncan in 13' and Curry in 16' - the "decision" had completely locked down the league.. So people should be happy that Durant got to hand-pick the preseason favorite in 17' after Lebron did it the previous 6 years (11-16')

He won with Wade averaging 16ppg for the 2013 playoffs

Less than Pippens career average without the GOAT tier defense that Pippen had

So stop lying

[3ba11]

He won with Wade averaging 16ppg for the 2013 playoffs

Less than Pippens career average without the GOAT tier defense that Pippen had

So stop lying



2013 Finals

Wade....... 20 on 48%

Lebron..... 25 on 45%


^^^ 1-star teams were enough to win the East, but Wade was clearly needed against the West

And the 13' Finals show that Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load in Finals).. He lacks sufficient jumpshooting skill and brand of ball.






So stop lying






From 2013 to 2016, Wade was an all-star that averaged 20/5/5 and 21 PER - he was a possession away from carrying the 16' Heat to the ECF and was a star in those playoffs

^^^ that's Pippen-caliber, so stop complaining.. plus Lebron had Bosh and Allen

So again, why does Lebron need Wade or AD to be like Kobe or Duncan to win?.. Why isn't 23/9 from AD and 20/5/5 from Wade enough? (Pippen-caliber)??

[ShawkFactory]

Holy shit :sleeping

[Hey Yo]

2013 Finals

Wade....... 20 on 48%

Lebron..... 25 on 45%


^^^ 1-star teams were enough to win the East, but Wade was clearly needed against the West

And the 13' Finals show that Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load in Finals).. He lacks sufficient jumpshooting skill and brand of ball.






From 2013 to 2016, Wade was an all-star that averaged 20/5/5 and 21 PER - he was a possession away from carrying the 16' Heat to the ECF and was a star in those playoffs

^^^ that's Pippen-caliber, so stop complaining.. plus Lebron had Bosh and Allen

So again, why does Lebron need Wade or AD to be like Kobe or Duncan to win?.. Why isn't 23/9 from AD and 20/5/5 from Wade enough? (Pippen-caliber)??

Pippen was one call away from carrying the Bulls to the ECF .... in his first season as first option.

Did Wade make first team All-NBA, All-defensive and All star MVP all in one season from 2013-2016?

[bison]

I bet OP carves "LeBust" "LeFraud" "LeChoke" etc into his skin and all over himself with a paring knife. What a sick f*ck!

[3ba11]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/6q8E2n.gif



Pippen was one call away from carrying the Bulls to the ECF .... in his first season as first option.

Did Wade make first team All-NBA, All-defensive and All star MVP all in one season from 2013-2016?


Peak Pippen barely matched fossil Wade:



PLAYOFFS

16' Wade........ 21.4.. 5.6.. 4.3.. 53.2 ts.. 22.3 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. 0.8 VORP.. 4.9 BPM
94' Pippen...... 22.8.. 8.3.. 4.6.. 52.8 ts.. 22.8 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. 0.7 VORP.. 5.6 BPM


And they had identical team results, except Pippen had a 3-peat dynasty system and Wade had one of the teams that Lebron left in shambles...

So Wade was building the team up every year like an elite 1st option is supposed to do, while Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to borderline lottery in less than 18 months.. The 95' Bulls were borderline lottery before MJ returned..

Btw, I'm sure Wade destroyed Pippen's worst-ever clutch stats (shown in picture above)

[No Sir]

:biggums:

I honestly wonder if there’s a poster on another forum who’s as singularly obsessed with one topic/person like OP is. I’m sure there is, but he’s got to be in the top (or bottom) 1%.
He’s a bot, most likely programmed by Jeff himself. Hence why everything he posts is copy n pastes of 1000s of other posts/threads.

[Axe]

:biggums:

I honestly wonder if there’s a poster on another forum who’s as singularly obsessed with one topic/person like OP is. I’m sure there is, but he’s got to be in the top (or bottom) 1%.
You seriously think op is the only one? His abnormal disciples here possess the same douche mentality as well. :lol

[John8204]

Lebron wasn't even "first"

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/authoring/2008/06/05/NPAL/ghows-WL-e24bbc28-c14b-47a4-8a53-0a72a9bc2720-a89f5607.jpeg?crop=3358,1898,x0,y23&width=3200&height=1809&format=pjpg&auto=webp

https://fadeawayworld.net/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTg1MTkyMDUzNDMxMzQ2NTIx/rockets-superteam.jpg

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8muciMbHF1qcmnsoo1_500.png

or the most...

Super Teams don't work unless you have a player like Lebron who can adjust his game to the stars. And to be frank...Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, Davis, and Westbrook are fine players. But the only MVP in that group was Westbrook and that MVP has aged like milk.

Tiny Archibald joined Dave Cowens
Bob McAdoo joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Moses Malone joined Julius Erving
Wilt Chamberlain joined Jerry West

[3ba11]

:facepalm:

[3ba11]

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https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2021/5G4JES.gif


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[3ba11]

Lebron wasn't even "first"





Garnett didn't "choose to team-up" (see thread title) because the GM's were the only guys planning and deciding it... So Lebron is the only guy that "chose to team up" (thread title).

Lebron is the first guy that called up his rival and said "let's play together".. He consolidated power in the East

Imagine if Booker had a "decision" to team-up with Joker and KAT - that would consolidate power and be unfair - other stars would be forced to follow suit.. Hopefully they wouldn't wait 6 years like Durant did and therefore look desperate and futile.







Tiny Archibald joined Dave Cowens
Bob McAdoo joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Moses Malone joined Julius Erving
Wilt Chamberlain joined Jerry West





In addition to being the first guy that chose to team-up, the EXTENT of the team-up was historic - Wade was the #2 player in the game with the #2 production rate across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48) - so that's like Magic teaming up with Bird.. Wade's stats DWARFED kobe's in 2010 (28 to 21 in PER... 9.2 to 4.4 in BPM)..

So Lebron had a Kobe-like sidekick, while Bosh was a 6x all-star compared to 1x for Pau before joining Kobe.. So Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II but went 2/4 including the goat choke and record loss.. That's the worst anyone can do..






or the most...





The Heat had three top 5 PER's on the same team and 538 said they were the greatest collection of talent ever until KD joined the Warriors (see previous post) - that's what it took to end the Lebron super-team charade..

Lebron's super-teams were the only time in history where 3 elite first options teamed up - three guys that averaged 24-25+ on good efficiency the prior year... Lebron/Wade/Bosh and Lebron/Kyrie/Love..

Lebron needs all-time scoring help because he lacks the elite jumpshooting skill and brand of ball required to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals).. So he needs all-time teammates that can nearly match his Finals scoring

[Wally450]

OP, what are your thoughts on eating before bed?

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron wasn't even "first"

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/authoring/2008/06/05/NPAL/ghows-WL-e24bbc28-c14b-47a4-8a53-0a72a9bc2720-a89f5607.jpeg?crop=3358,1898,x0,y23&width=3200&height=1809&format=pjpg&auto=webp

https://fadeawayworld.net/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTg1MTkyMDUzNDMxMzQ2NTIx/rockets-superteam.jpg

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8muciMbHF1qcmnsoo1_500.png

or the most...

Super Teams don't work unless you have a player like Lebron who can adjust his game to the stars. And to be frank...Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, Davis, and Westbrook are fine players. But the only MVP in that group was Westbrook and that MVP has aged like milk.

Tiny Archibald joined Dave Cowens
Bob McAdoo joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Moses Malone joined Julius Erving
Wilt Chamberlain joined Jerry West

:applause:

[sdot_thadon]

The right way for Mike's bulls was to add the best rebounder and one of the best defenders ever after getting handled by Horace "trash role player" grant.

[1987_Lakers]

In addition to being the first guy that choose to team-up, the EXTENT of the team-up was historic - Wade was the #2 player in the game with the #2 production rate across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48) - so that's like Magic teaming up with Bird.. Wade's stats DWARFED kobe's in 2010 (28 to 21 in PER... 9.2 to 4.4 in BPM)..


You do realize Dr. J had the #2 PER in 1982, led his team to the Finals while Moses won the MVP that same year right? They joined forces the next season.

Your dumb posts might misguide some other poster who don't know their history, but not me.

[3ba11]

The right way for Mike's bulls was to add the best rebounder and one of the best defenders ever after getting handled by Horace "trash role player" grant.


Jordan 3-peated with an ordinary rebounder like Horace and then he won in 98' with Kukoc as the starter in the playoffs.. He also won in 97' Playoffs with Rodman averaging 3/8 on 35% (unplayable in any Lebron lineup)..

So the historical record shows that Jordan could win with any bum at PF, including Kukoc or fossil Rodman, or he could 3-peat with nobody Horace... None were go-to options or all-stars like Bosh, Love, Jamison, or AD

[sdot_thadon]

Jordan 3-peated with an ordinary rebounder like Horace and then he won in 98' with Kukoc as the starter in the playoffs.. He also won in 97' Playoffs with Rodman averaging 3/8 on 35% (unplayable in any Lebron lineup)..

So the historical record shows that Jordan could win with any bum at PF, including Kukoc or fossil Rodman, or he could 3-peat with nobody Horace... None were go-to options or all-stars like Bosh, Love, Jamison, or AD

Horace Grant and Rodman both were Allstars my man. Mj got thrashed in 95 vs the "ordinary rebounder" Grant, with "any bum" at Pf.

[3ba11]

You do realize Dr. J had the #2 PER in 1982, led his team to the Finals while Moses won the MVP that same year right? They joined forces the next season.

Your dumb posts might misguide some other poster who don't know their history, but not me.


Magic, Kareem and Bird were all better than Moses or Dr.J

This is common knowledge..

Otoh, no one was better than Lebron/Wade in 2010

You're forgetting that MVP is rarely "best player" - it's more often like "biggest surprise", so your example is garbage - only a Magic/Bird collusion would compare to Lebron/Wade (the top 2 players)

And then there's Bosh, who was superior to the Sixers 3rd option

[1987_Lakers]

Magic and Bird were both better than Moses or Dr.J

This is common knowledge..

Otoh, no one was better than Lebron/Wade in 2010

You're forgetting that MVP is rarely "best player" - it's often more like "biggest surprise", so your example is garbage - only a Magic/Bird collusion would compare to Lebron/Wade (the top 2 players)

And then there's Bosh, who was superior toot Sixers 3rd option

You're a dumbass. Most considered Moses to be better than Magic in the early 80's same could be said for Dr. J.

Moses was the league's undisputed best player in '82 & '83. Dr. J was at worse top 3 from '80-'82.

Moses won back to back MVPs so the "biggest surprise" excuse doesn't comply.

[1987_Lakers]

And then there's Bosh, who was superior to the Sixers 3rd option

Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks, Bobby Jones? 2 of those guys are in the HOF, Toney probably would have made it if it wasn't for injuries. That Sixers team was more top heavy than Miami. Learn your history.

[3ba11]

Horace Grant and Rodman both were Allstars my man. Mj got thrashed in 95 vs the "ordinary rebounder" Grant, with "any bum" at Pf.


Rodman was an all-star like 2010 Shaq was an all-star

Except Shaq would've instantly started for the Bulls in the 98' Playoffs and been the best center the Bulls ever had by far - he would also compete for 2nd option many nights.. This doesn't compare to Rodman not starting and getting beat out for the job by Kukoc

See, that's what you don't understand - Rodman was beat out by Kukoc, so you're just lying by pretending he was good.. again, he isn't playable in ANY lebron lineup

And Bosh was 11x all-star while Grant was a "Korver" all-star (1x)

[Shooter]

He won with Wade averaging 16ppg for the 2013 playoffs

Less than Pippens career average without the GOAT tier defense that Pippen had

So stop lying

SHUT it DOWN

:roll:

[RRR3]

Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks, Bobby Jones? 2 of those guys are in the HOF, Toney probably would have made it if it wasn't for injuries. That Sixers team was more top heavy than Miami. Learn your history.
If LeBron had that same roster he’d call it the most unfair team ever.

[3ba11]

:facepalm:

[3ba11]

He won with Wade averaging 16ppg for the 2013 playoffs






2013 Finals

Wade....... 20 on 48%

Lebron..... 25 on 45%


^^^ 1-star teams were enough to win the East, but Wade was clearly needed against the West

Ultimately, Wade only had 1 Eastern Playoffs with low scoring compared to Pippen's entire 3-peat from 96-98' .. You can't compare a full 3-peat of low scoring and worst-ever efficiency to 1 Eastern run that actually had good efficiency.. That's pretty weak and confirms that Lebron's accomplishments are vastly inferior.






Less than Pippens career average without the GOAT tier defense that Pippen had






From 2013 to 2016, Wade was an all-star that averaged 20/5/5 and 21 PER - he was a possession away from carrying the 16' Heat to the ECF and was a star in those playoffs

^^^ that's Pippen-caliber, so stop complaining.. plus Lebron had Bosh and Allen

So again, why does Lebron need Wade or AD to be like Kobe or Duncan to win?.. Why isn't 23/9 from AD and 20/5/5 from Wade enough? (Pippen-caliber)??







So stop lying






No lie - Pippen was THAT BAD:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/6q8E2n.gif


Peak Pippen barely matched fossil Wade:



PLAYOFFS

16' Wade........ 21.4.. 5.6.. 4.3.. 53.2 ts.. 22.3 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. 0.8 VORP.. 4.9 BPM
94' Pippen...... 22.8.. 8.3.. 4.6.. 52.8 ts.. 22.8 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. 0.7 VORP.. 5.6 BPM


And they had identical team results, except Pippen had a 3-peat dynasty system and Wade had one of the teams that Lebron left in shambles...

So Wade was building the team up every year like an elite 1st option is supposed to do, while Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to borderline lottery in less than 18 months.. The 95' Bulls were borderline lottery before MJ returned..

Btw, I'm sure Wade destroyed Pippen's worst-ever clutch stats (shown in picture above)

[3ba11]

You're a dumbass. Most considered Moses to be better than Magic in the early 80's same could be said for Dr. J.

Moses was the league's undisputed best player in '82 & '83. Dr. J was at worse top 3 from '80-'82.

Moses won back to back MVPs so the "biggest surprise" excuse doesn't comply.


Only a Magic/Bird collusion would compare to Lebron/Wade because those were the top 2 players in the league.

Meanwhile, Magic, Bird and Kareem were all better than Moses or Dr.J... :facepalm:

This is common knowledge..

And then there's Bosh, who was superior to the Sixers 3rd option

But don't take my word for it - take Lebron's ("not 6, not 7") or a world-renowned stat organization (538)

[3ba11]

Rodman was an all-star like 2010 Shaq was an all-star

Except Shaq would've instantly started for the Bulls in the 98' Playoffs and been the best center the Bulls ever had by far - he would also compete for 2nd option many nights.. This doesn't compare to Rodman not starting and getting beat out for the job by Kukoc

See, that's what you don't understand - Rodman was beat out by Kukoc, so you're just lying by pretending he was good.. again, he isn't playable in ANY lebron lineup

And Bosh was 11x all-star while Grant was a "Korver" all-star (1x)



sdot skipped away like a little girl when he saw this post

[sdot_thadon]

Rodman was an all-star like 2010 Shaq was an all-star

Except Shaq would've instantly started for the Bulls in the 98' Playoffs and been the best center the Bulls ever had by far - he would also compete for 2nd option many nights.. This doesn't compare to Rodman not starting and getting beat out for the job by Kukoc

See, that's what you don't understand - Rodman was beat out by Kukoc, so you're just lying by pretending he was good.. again, he isn't playable in ANY lebron lineup

And Bosh was 11x all-star while Grant was a "Korver" all-star (1x)

You don't have to pretend a guy who maybe was debatably the mvp of 96 finals was good. He had the task of defending the other teams star big, which seemed like most teams had at the time. He literally went mano y mano with Shaq whlle being vastly undersized and gave Seattle and utahs bigs fits. He led the league and averaged over 15 reb a game during the reg season of the 2nd 3peat. Made all D 1st team in 96 as well. And if you were an actual fan, rather than a dumpster diving fan boi you'd know Kukoc was starting over him because he was serviceable enough on defense and literally the 3rd best scoring threat on maybe the greatest team ever by that time. They sometimes played Toni at pf and Rodman at center, the 1st death lineup. However Dennis was aging by 98 for sure.

[1987_Lakers]

Meanwhile, Magic, Bird and Kareem were all better than Moses or Dr.J... :facepalm:

1981 NBA MVP: Dr. J
1982 NBA MVP: Moses
1983 NBA MVP: Moses

The last 3 MVP winners playing on the same team. lmao.

Lets also not forget both Moses & Dr. J finished higher in the MVP voting than Magic in every season from '80-'82. Magic didn't even make his First All-NBA Team until 1983.

"But, but, but Magic was better than both of them in the early 80's"

:roll:

[RRR3]

1981 NBA MVP: Dr. J
1982 NBA MVP: Moses
1983 NBA MVP: Moses

The last 3 MVP winners playing on the same team. lmao.

Lets also not forget both Moses & Dr. J finished higher in the MVP voting than Magic in every season from '80-'82. Magic didn't even make his First All-NBA Team until 1983.

"But, but, but Magic was better than both of them in the early 80's"

:roll:
It’s hilarious how stupid he is. Like dude’s an absolute MORON. Surprised he can use technology tbh

[John8204]

Only a Magic/Bird collusion would compare to Lebron/Wade because those were the top 2 players in the league.

Meanwhile, Magic, Bird and Kareem were all better than Moses or Dr.J... :facepalm:

This is common knowledge..

And then there's Bosh, who was superior to the Sixers 3rd option

But don't take my word for it - take Lebron's ("not 6, not 7") or a world-renowned stat organization (538)

Whats that you say 1 and 2 playing together...I'm sure that would lead to a title...

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/12/08/USAT/c5971973-56ea-4b00-ab4e-51da22d25cf3-2019-12-07_Westbrook_Harden.JPG?crop=2823,1588,x355,y143&width=2823&height=1588&format=pjpg&auto=webp

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_1440,ar_16:9,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/shape/cover/sport/https-3A-2F-2Fthesmokingcuban-com-2Fwp-content-2Fuploads-2Fgetty-images-2F2017-2F07-2F2036289-850x560-f74cc0e2c6570b0657bed00bde1246cd.jpg

https://www.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/nsash_shaq_640.jpg

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/.image/t_share/MTg3MTYwOTU1MzE2NzQyMDI5/charles-barkley-hakeem-olajuwon.jpg

Well...maybe not

[3ba11]

1981 NBA MVP: Dr. J
1982 NBA MVP: Moses
1983 NBA MVP: Moses

The last 3 MVP winners playing on the same team. lmao.

Lets also not forget both Moses & Dr. J finished higher in the MVP voting than Magic in every season from '80-'82. Magic didn't even make his First All-NBA Team until 1983.

"But, but, but Magic was better than both of them in the early 80's"

:roll:


I already responded to this earlier but you missed it:

Moses didn't "choose to team-up" (see thread title) because the GM's were the only guys planning and deciding the trade... So Lebron is the only guy that "chose to team up" (thread title).

Lebron is the first guy that called up his rival and said "let's play together".. He consolidated power in the East

Imagine if Booker had a "decision" to team-up with Joker and KAT - that would consolidate power and be unfair - other stars would be forced to follow suit.. Hopefully they wouldn't wait 6 years like Durant did and therefore look desperate and futile.

[NBAGOAT]

I already responded to this earlier but you missed it:

Moses didn't "choose to team-up" (see thread title) because the GM's were the only guys planning and deciding the trade... So Lebron is the only guy that "chose to team up" (thread title).

Lebron is the first guy that called up his rival and said "let's play together".. He consolidated power in the East

Imagine if Booker had a "decision" to team-up with Joker and KAT - that would consolidate power and be unfair - other stars would be forced to follow suit.. Hopefully they wouldn't wait 6 years like Durant did and therefore look desperate and futile.

Moses was a free agent you liar lol. Also you’re paying attention to the offseason right. Stars are teaming up left and right. Booker is all in on teaming up with this little known star named Kevin Durant… it would happen in a trade but ofc would have to require bookers full approval and Durant’s number 1 choice is by far phx, definitely his choice at least. All-nba cp3 isn’t nearly enough for phx. Heat are very interested in Donovan Mitchell going be like a 4 all star team by your bad criteria. Ik you don’t even know who gobert is but towns and him are likely the 3rd and 4th best centers in the league teaming up along with edwards who’s a sure star. Phillys not even a top 5 favorite for most people and got embiid/harden

[3ba11]

You don't have to pretend a guy who maybe was debatably the mvp of 96 finals was good.





You conceded in your post that Kukoc was a sub-par defender... Yet the Bulls won with him as the starter, thus confirming that Rodman's defense was overrated and the Bulls were infact hanging by a thread at PF - they were either at a deficit offensively with Rodman or defensively with Kukoc.. Jordan could simply win with either type aka GOAT

Otoh, Lebron had elite 1st options to play 2nd and 3rd option for him - absolute juggernauts that averaged 24-25+ the prior year.. So Lebron had an abundance at 3rd option and PF, while the Bulls hung by a thread.

Btw, Kemp was 3 times closer than Rodman to getting FMVP (3 times more votes) because Rodman was dominated.






He had the task of defending the other teams star big, which seemed like most teams had at the time. He literally went mano y mano with Shaq whlle being vastly undersized and gave Seattle and utahs bigs fits. He led the league and averaged over 15 reb a game during the reg season of the 2nd 3peat. Made all D 1st team in 96 as well. And if you were an actual fan, rather than a dumpster diving fan boi you'd know Kukoc was starting over him because he was serviceable enough on defense and literally the 3rd best scoring threat on maybe the greatest team ever by that time. They sometimes played Toni at pf and Rodman at center, the 1st death lineup. However Dennis was aging by 98 for sure.


Jordan averaged 31 on 46% to get the Bulls a 3-0 lead - there's a small handful of guys in history that could do that, let alone against maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in Finals) and in that slower-paced era.. And only 1 guy could do it with GOAT clutch stats.

Btw, Jordan's 27 on 42% thru 6 games was sufficient, while Lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games of the 13' Finals and needed Ray Allen to continue.. lol

Btw, Jordan was the primary defender on Payton for Games 3 and 5..

Jordan was top 7 DPOY from 88-98' (25-35), while Lebron wasn't all-defense in his 30's and needed sidekicks that averaged more assists (Wade, Kyrie, Westbrook), while also carrying a FAR smaller scoring load (he had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for entire playoff runs)

[1987_Lakers]

I already responded to this earlier but you missed it:

Moses didn't "choose to team-up" (see thread title) because the GM's were the only guys planning and deciding the trade... So Lebron is the only guy that "chose to team up" (thread title).


He signed an offer sheet with the Sixers, Rockets matched it but then traded him in a sign and trade because it was obvious Moses didn't want to be in Houston. Basically forced his way out of the Rockets.

Again, you prove that you know nothing about history besides MJ.

Charlie Thomas, who is in the process of buying the the Rockets, confirmed the deal in Houston. ''We felt he didn't want to play here anymore,'' he said.

Malone commented: ''No one in Houston recognized how much I did.'' After the challenge to the Philadelphia offer, a hearing on the validity of the contract and offer sheet was held Monday in New York under Kingman Brewster, the former president of Yale.

Hold the L.

[3ba11]

Moses was a free agent you liar lol.





Moses was traded:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-14-2022/6bGEAo.gif

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/1983_transactions.html



So again, Moses didn't "choose to team-up" (see thread title) because the GM's were the only guys planning and deciding the transaction... So Lebron is the only guy that "chose to team up" (thread title).

Lebron is the first guy that called up his rival and said "let's play together"..

He consolidated power in the East

Imagine if Booker had a "decision" to team-up with Joker and KAT - that would consolidate power and be unfair - other stars would be forced to follow suit.. Hopefully they wouldn't wait 6 years like Durant did and therefore look desperate and futile.

[1987_Lakers]

Moses didn't "choose to team-up"


Charlie Thomas, who is in the process of buying the the Rockets, confirmed the deal in Houston. ''We felt he didn't want to play here anymore,'' he said.

Malone commented: ''No one in Houston recognized how much I did.'' After the challenge to the Philadelphia offer, a hearing on the validity of the contract and offer sheet was held Monday in New York under Kingman Brewster, the former president of Yale.

:roll:

[3ba11]

Charlie Thomas, who is in the process of buying the the Rockets, confirmed the deal in Houston. ''We felt he didn't want to play here anymore,'' he said.

Malone commented: ''No one in Houston recognized how much I did.'' After the challenge to the Philadelphia offer, a hearing on the validity of the contract and offer sheet was held Monday in New York under Kingman Brewster, the former president of Yale.

:roll:


Moses was traded:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-14-2022/6bGEAo.gif

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/1983_transactions.html



So again, Moses didn't "choose to team-up" (see thread title) because the GM's were the only guys planning and deciding the transaction... So Lebron is the only guy that "chose to team up" (thread title).

Lebron is the first guy that called up his rival and said "let's play together"..

He consolidated power in the East

Imagine if Booker had a "decision" to team-up with Joker and KAT - that would consolidate power and be unfair - other stars would be forced to follow suit.. Hopefully they wouldn't wait 6 years like Durant did and therefore look desperate and futile.

[1987_Lakers]

On Sept. 2 the 76ers signed Malone to an offer sheet that reportedly would pay him a minimum of $11.8 million for six years and in excess of $15 million if several bonus clauses materialized. The Rockets, under the league rule regarding free agency, had 15 days from Sept. 2 to match that offer, or lose Malone to the 76ers.


3ball getting exposed. Stop looking at basketballreference all the damn time

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/09/16/sports/malone-goes-to-76ers-for-caldwell-jones.html

[1987_Lakers]

Moses was traded:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-14-2022/6bGEAo.gif

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/1983_transactions.html



So again, Moses didn't "choose to team-up" (see thread title) because the GM's were the only guys planning and deciding the transaction... So Lebron is the only guy that "chose to team up" (thread title).

Lebron is the first guy that called up his rival and said "let's play together"..

He consolidated power in the East

Imagine if Booker had a "decision" to team-up with Joker and KAT - that would consolidate power and be unfair - other stars would be forced to follow suit.. Hopefully they wouldn't wait 6 years like Durant did and therefore look desperate and futile.

By this definition LeBron was traded to Miami.

In the sign-and-trade deals Miami has made with both Cleveland and Toronto, they have given two first round draft picks to each team to be used in the next several years.

The Heat has also given Cleveland the ability to swap second round draft picks with them in 2012 and they have given Cleveland their second round draft pick for 2012 and possibly a future second round draft pick as well.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/418470-lebron-james-miami-gave-up-to-much-to-sign-lebron-to-the-team#:~:text=The%20Cleveland%20Cavaliers%20have%20 made,a%20lot%20to%20get%20James.

3ball low IQ confirmed.

[1987_Lakers]

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif

[NBAGOAT]

On Sept. 2 the 76ers signed Malone to an offer sheet that reportedly would pay him a minimum of $11.8 million for six years and in excess of $15 million if several bonus clauses materialized. The Rockets, under the league rule regarding free agency, had 15 days from Sept. 2 to match that offer, or lose Malone to the 76ers.


3ball getting exposed. Stop looking at basketballreference all the damn time

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/09/16/sports/malone-goes-to-76ers-for-caldwell-jones.html

It’s just mind blowing after the examples from free agency 3ball assumes other people don’t know about sign and trades lol. It may be a trade in name but Moses chose to go to Philly

[3ba11]

On Sept. 2 the 76ers signed Malone to an offer sheet that reportedly would pay him a minimum of $11.8 million for six years and in excess of $15 million if several bonus clauses materialized. The Rockets, under the league rule regarding free agency, had 15 days from Sept. 2 to match that offer, or lose Malone to the 76ers.


3ball getting exposed. Stop looking at basketballreference all the damn time

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/09/16/sports/malone-goes-to-76ers-for-caldwell-jones.html


Moses was traded:



https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-14-2022/q3Nyjh.gif

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/the700level/moses-malone-and-two-most-lopsided-trades-sixers-history


Malone became a restricted free agent after the 1981–82 season. He signed an offer sheet of six-years for $13.2 million with the Philadelphia 76ers on September 2, 1982. The 76ers were coming off a 4–2 loss in the Finals to the Los Angeles Lakers, whose center, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, outplayed their big-man duo of Darryl Dawkins and Caldwell Jones. The Rockets franchise was sold, and the new owners decided that Malone's $2 million annual salary did not fit their plans.[47] Houston matched the offer and agreed to trade Malone to the 76ers for Jones and their first-round pick in the 1983 NBA draft on September 15.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone


Regardless of the type of transaction, the GM's were planning, deciding and executing it, not Moses.

So Moses didn't "choose to team-up" (see thread title) and simply went where the GM's dictated via offer sheet and trade.

Lebron is the only guy that "chose to team up" (thread title).

Lebron is the first guy that called up his rival and said "let's play together"..He consolidated power in the East

Imagine if Booker had a "decision" to team-up with Joker and KAT - that would consolidate power and be unfair - other stars would be forced to follow suit.. Hopefully they wouldn't wait 6 years like Durant did and therefore look desperate and futile.

[1987_Lakers]

It’s just mind blowing after the examples from free agency 3ball assumes other people don’t know about sign and trades lol. It may be a trade in name but Moses chose to go to Philly

I think he legit thought Moses was traded to the Sixers. If it doesn't involve MJ, he always gets info from the past wrong.

Anyways, we had a nice time educating him.

[3ba11]

I think he legit thought Moses was traded to the Sixers. If it doesn't involve MJ, he always gets info from the past wrong.

Anyways, we had a nice time educating him.


He was traded dumbass

Stop being stupid and educate yourself from the previous post

[3ba11]

.

On Sept. 2 the 76ers signed Malone to an offer sheet that reportedly would pay him a minimum of $11.8 million for six years and in excess of $15 million if several bonus clauses materialized. The Rockets, under the league rule regarding free agency, had 15 days from Sept. 2 to match that offer, or lose Malone to the 76ers.


3ball getting exposed. Stop looking at basketballreference all the damn time

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/09/16/sports/malone-goes-to-76ers-for-caldwell-jones.html


Moses was traded:



https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-14-2022/q3Nyjh.gif

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/the700level/moses-malone-and-two-most-lopsided-trades-sixers-history


Malone became a restricted free agent after the 1981–82 season. He signed an offer sheet of six-years for $13.2 million with the Philadelphia 76ers on September 2, 1982. The 76ers were coming off a 4–2 loss in the Finals to the Los Angeles Lakers, whose center, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, outplayed their big-man duo of Darryl Dawkins and Caldwell Jones. The Rockets franchise was sold, and the new owners decided that Malone's $2 million annual salary did not fit their plans.[47] Houston matched the offer and agreed to trade Malone to the 76ers for Jones and their first-round pick in the 1983 NBA draft on September 15.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone


But it doesn't even matter and this whole line is a derail

Regardless of the type of transaction, the GM's were planning, deciding and executing it, not Moses.

So Moses didn't "choose to team-up" (see thread title) and simply went where the GM's dictated via offer sheet and trade.

Lebron is the only guy that "chose to team up" (thread title).

Lebron is the first guy that called up his rival and said "let's play together"..He consolidated power in the East

Imagine if Booker had a "decision" to team-up with Joker and KAT - that would consolidate power and be unfair - other stars would be forced to follow suit.. Hopefully they wouldn't wait 6 years like Durant did and therefore look desperate and futile.

[1987_Lakers]

*Moses signs offer sheet with the Sixers*

"But, but, he didn't team up" - 3ball

[1987_Lakers]

He was traded dumbass

Stop being stupid and educate yourself from the previous post

LeBron was traded to Miami dumbass

Stop being stupid and educate yourself from the previous post.

[3ba11]

LeBron was traded to Miami dumbass

Stop being stupid and educate yourself from the previous post.


You were proven wrong - don't be immature about it

Lebron chose to team up and orchestrated it - player empowerment

Moses had no control and was at the mercy of GM's and their offer sheets or trades

Lebron is the first guy that called up his rival and said "let's play together"..He consolidated power in the East

Imagine if Booker had a "decision" to team-up with Joker and KAT - that would consolidate power and be unfair - other stars would be forced to follow suit.. Hopefully they wouldn't wait 6 years like Durant did and therefore look desperate and futile.

[1987_Lakers]

You were proven wrong - don't be immature about it

Moses chose to team up and orchestrated it - player empowerment

Moses is the first guy that called up his rival and said "let's play together"..He consolidated power in the East

Imagine if Booker had a "decision" to team-up with Joker and KAT - that would consolidate power and be unfair - other stars would be forced to follow suit.. Hopefully they wouldn't wait 6 years like Durant did and therefore look desperate and futile.

[1987_Lakers]

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif

[3ba11]

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif


You were soundly defeated

Lebron forced Gilbert to trade him, while Moses was as at the mercy of management

[RRR3]

Why do you enjoy being destroyed in arguments, 3brick? Humiliation fetish?

[1987_Lakers]

You were soundly defeated

Lebron forced Gilbert to trade him, while Moses was as at the mercy of management

Only Lebron chose to team up

You were soundly defeated.

Moses forced the Rockets to trade him, while LeBron has mentally ruined you.

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif

[3ba11]

Why do you enjoy being destroyed in arguments, 3brick? Humiliation fetish?


87' Lakers: the sky is pink

3ball: No it's blue

87' Lakers: I won!!! Yes!!!

[1987_Lakers]

Why do you enjoy being destroyed in arguments, 3brick? Humiliation fetish?

Dude should know better not to debate me when I post in his threads. I've been making him look silly for years. I still remember when he argued Worthy > Durant because he got so desperate when I called him out when he said Magic wasn't the main reason why the Lakers won titles in '87 & '88.

[3ba11]

You were soundly defeated.

Moses forced the Rockets to trade him, while LeBron has mentally ruined you.

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif


Moses planned nothing with Dr. J

Lebron planned the whole thing and forced management form a super-team for him

This is common knowledge

It's called "the decision" and it stole organic chips from Durant in 12' and Duncan/Curry after that.. Lebron was cheating the league

[1987_Lakers]

Moses planned nothing with Dr. J

Yes he did.

Signed offer sheet with the Sixers before he got "traded"
Moses talked about he didn't feel appreciated with the Rockets (I provided quotes)
Owner confirmed Moses didn't want to be in Houston (Provided quotes)

Pretty obvious team hopping. Now go to sleep.

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif

[3ba11]

You were soundly defeated.

Moses forced the Rockets to trade him, while LeBron has mentally ruined you.

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif


Moses didn't force anything... :confusedshrug:

You're lying and lost badly..

Getting ragdolled by 3ball trying to lie on Moses like he was some sort of colluder

[3ba11]

Yes he did.

Signed offer sheet with the Sixers before he got "traded"
Moses talked about he didn't feel appreciated with the Rockets (I provided quotes)
Owner confirmed Moses didn't want to be in Houston (Provided quotes)

Pretty obvious team hopping. Now go to sleep.

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif


Rockets didn't want Moses... :confusedshrug:

I provided many sources on that

They didn't want to pay him 2 mill

That feeling you have right now? DEFEAT son

[3ba11]

:pimp:

3GOAT

[1987_Lakers]

Rockets didn't want Moses... :confusedshrug:

Sure, convince your deluded mind they didn't want a player who was still in his 20's coming off an MVP year and carrying them to the Finals the year before that.

:pimp:

[1987_Lakers]

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif

[RRR3]

87' Lakers: the sky is pink

3ball: No it's blue

87' Lakers: I won!!! Yes!!!
You are sick.

[RRR3]

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif
I think he gets off on being embarrassed. Probably the only way he can at his age.

[3ba11]

Sure, convince your deluded mind they didn't want a player who was still in his 20's coming off an MVP year and carrying them to the Finals the year before that.

:pimp:


The new owners of the Rockets didn't want to pay Moses 2 million:



The Rockets franchise was sold, and the new owners decided that Malone's $2 million annual salary did not fit their plans.[47] Houston matched the offer and agreed to trade Malone to the 76ers for Jones and their first-round pick in the 1983 NBA draft on September 15.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone


otoh, everyone knows that Lebron is the first guy to play GM and put together a super-team - Dan Gilbert was incensed and hated Lebron for cornering him like that and forcing his hand - no owner likes that

So keep playing dumb as if the "decision" never happened.. It gave Lebron a 6-year headstart in the colluding space, so now Durant's moves look bad because he's playing catch-up from a 6-year deficit

[1987_Lakers]

The new owners of the Rockets didn't want to pay Moses 2 million:



The Rockets franchise was sold, and the new owners decided that Malone's $2 million annual salary did not fit their plans.[47] Houston matched the offer and agreed to trade Malone to the 76ers for Jones and their first-round pick in the 1983 NBA draft on September 15.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone


otoh, everyone knows that Lebron is the first guy to play GM and put together a super-team - Dan Gilbert was incensed and hated Lebron for cornering him like that and forcing his hand - no owner likes that

So keep playing dumb as if the "decision" never happened.. It gave Lebron a 6-year headstart in the colluding space, so now Durant's moves look bad because he's playing catch-up from a 6-year deficit

So in essence, Moses signed with the Sixers as a free agent and the Rockets didn't want to match the offer.

Keep shooting yourself in the foot.

[1987_Lakers]

The funny thing is, the NBA initially tried to stop Moses from going to the Sixers.

on Sept. 8, the league called several provisions of the 76er offer illegal. Today, the league said from its New York office that the three most-disputed provisions had been dropped ''by mutual consent of all parties involved,'' and thus Commissioner Larry O'Brien had approved the trade.

:lol

[Hey Yo]

Rodman was an all-star like 2010 Shaq was an all-star

Except Shaq would've instantly started for the Bulls in the 98' Playoffs and been the best center the Bulls ever had by far - he would also compete for 2nd option many nights.. This doesn't compare to Rodman not starting and getting beat out for the job by Kukoc

See, that's what you don't understand - Rodman was beat out by Kukoc, so you're just lying by pretending he was good.. again, he isn't playable in ANY lebron lineup

And Bosh was 11x all-star while Grant was a "Korver" all-star (1x)

1998 regular season Rodman avg. 36mpg. In the playoffs he avg. 34mpg.

Shaq 2010 regular season avg. 23mpg and in the playoffs he avg. 22mpg.

You lose again, chico.

[MadDog]

OP. Why do you keep talking about LeBron? He's irrelevant now lol

[Hey Yo]

Jordan 3-peated with an ordinary rebounder like Horace and then he won in 98' with Kukoc as the starter in the playoffs.. He also won in 97' Playoffs with Rodman averaging 3/8 on 35% (unplayable in any Lebron lineup)..

So the historical record shows that Jordan could win with any bum at PF, including Kukoc or fossil Rodman, or he could 3-peat with nobody Horace... None were go-to options or all-stars like Bosh, Love, Jamison, or AD

97 Rodman >>>> 2011 starter Mike Bibby and it's no even close.

[dankok8]

I don't want it to seem like i'm defending 3ball but with Lebron/Wade/Bosh the collusion is well established. All 3 were unrestricted free agents and decided to all sign with the same team which was the Heat. With Moses... yea maybe he and Dr J talked on the phone and decided to team up but we can only speculate. And besides Moses was a restricted free agent and as such he was at the mercy of the Rockets who decided to match the offer and trade him. The Rockets likely wouldn't have kept him against his will but they could have traded him to some other team instead of the Sixers if they got a better offer. So 3ball is right in that Moses didn't have nearly the same freedom of choice that Lebron did.

Of course I must ask the OP... why make the same thread for a millionth time? :lol

[Hey Yo]

James tried to convince Bosh to come to Cleveland before Bosh signed with Miami. That wouldn't have happened if both allgedley agreed to go to Miami months in advance.

I would say their contracts expiring after 7yrs in the league was more about having the chance/choice to sign a max deal as soon as possible, rather than deciding to team up 4yrs in advance.

[3ba11]

James tried to convince Bosh to come to Cleveland before Bosh signed with Miami. That wouldn't have happened if both allgedley agreed to go to Miami months in advance.





Huh??... :whatever:

More BS to continue the fraud

Bosh was like "Cleveland is too cold."

Lebron was like "how about Miami"

Accept the historical record - Lebron was a career loser just like Luka until the "decision" to form super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams DOMINATED... 1-star teams won in 09', 07', 01', 02', 03', and Lebron's 1-star teams were top seed in 09' and 10'.

it's the only conference in history that was routinely won by 1-star teams, yet that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in

[sdot_thadon]

I don't want it to seem like i'm defending 3ball but with Lebron/Wade/Bosh the collusion is well established. All 3 were unrestricted free agents and decided to all sign with the same team which was the Heat. With Moses... yea maybe he and Dr J talked on the phone and decided to team up but we can only speculate. And besides Moses was a restricted free agent and as such he was at the mercy of the Rockets who decided to match the offer and trade him. The Rockets likely wouldn't have kept him against his will but they could have traded him to some other team instead of the Sixers if they got a better offer. So 3ball is right in that Moses didn't have nearly the same freedom of choice that Lebron did.

Of course I must ask the OP... why make the same thread for a millionth time? :lol

And after all this time although I wasn't a big fan of the move, what rule did it break? They all got paid a reasonable amount and didn't have too great a team around them which is what you get if you use all your cap on 3 stars. Other teams have tried it and it only seems to have worked that one time.(oh and that one time the 2nd best guy joined up with 73 wins...) So maybe it's not as easy as you all make it seem....

[3ba11]

And after all this time although I wasn't a big fan of the move, what rule did it break? They all got paid a reasonable amount and didn't have too great a team around them which is what you get if you use all your cap on 3 stars. Other teams have tried it and it only seems to have worked that one time.(oh and that one time the 2nd best guy joined up with 73 wins...) So maybe it's not as easy as you all make it seem....


Year 1 favorite = easiest path possible

And Lebron was the preseason favorite in 2011 and 2015 - Year 1 favorites

Lebron's 6-year headstart at forming super-teams stole organic chips from Durant in 2012 and also Duncan and Curry in 13' or 16'...

Since his colluded super-teams had locked down the league, people were happy that Durant got to hand-pick the preseason favorite in 17' after Lebron did it the previous 6 (11-16')

You're the most biased Lebron fan on this board.. You don't care about facts and never present any

[FromDowntown]

Lebron wasn't even "first"

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/authoring/2008/06/05/NPAL/ghows-WL-e24bbc28-c14b-47a4-8a53-0a72a9bc2720-a89f5607.jpeg?crop=3358,1898,x0,y23&width=3200&height=1809&format=pjpg&auto=webp

https://fadeawayworld.net/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTg1MTkyMDUzNDMxMzQ2NTIx/rockets-superteam.jpg

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8muciMbHF1qcmnsoo1_500.png

or the most...

Super Teams don't work unless you have a player like Lebron who can adjust his game to the stars. And to be frank...Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, Davis, and Westbrook are fine players. But the only MVP in that group was Westbrook and that MVP has aged like milk.

Tiny Archibald joined Dave Cowens
Bob McAdoo joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Moses Malone joined Julius Erving
Wilt Chamberlain joined Jerry West

:oldlol:

[3ba11]

:oldlol:


GM's did those deals, whereas Lebron was the first guy that CHOSE to team up (see thread title)

So you guys haven't refuted shit, per the usual.. lol.. 1-9

[sdot_thadon]

Year 1 favorite = easiest path possible

And Lebron was the preseason favorite in 2011 and 2015 - Year 1 favorites

Lebron's 6-year headstart at forming super-teams stole organic chips from Durant in 2012 and also Duncan and Curry in 13' or 16'...

Since his colluded super-teams had locked down the league, people were happy that Durant got to hand-pick the preseason favorite in 17' after Lebron did it the previous 6 (11-16')

You're the most biased Lebron fan on this board.. You don't care about facts and never present any

If it's such a guarantee, why hasn't it worked out for every team? Your panties are in a bunch anytime Lebron wins or is in position to win. Biased is acting as if Lebron is the only superstar to have top heavy teams with multiple stars. Why is it that only his teams bother you, rather than.....you know the rest in nba history that have had the same or even greater collections of talent? Cause organic? Gtfoh man.

[Gohan]

GM's did those deals, whereas Lebron was the first guy that CHOSE to team up (see thread title)

So you guys haven't refuted shit, per the usual.. lol.. 1-9

I dont see why you even waste your time anymore, the people youre arguing with is legit retarded. Youre too good for this board 3ball.