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diamenz
07-15-2022, 10:47 AM
Ex-President Donald Trump has escalated his war of words with the world's wealthiest man Elon Musk in a series of messages on Truth Social.

On the right-wing social media platform, Trump recalled the many times that Musk visited the White House between 2016 and 2020.

Trump wrote: 'When Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it's electric cars that don't drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocket ships to nowhere, without which subsidies he'd be worthless.'

Trump went on to say that Musk would regularly tell the former 'Apprentice' host how much of a fan he was. He added: 'I could have said, 'drop to your knees and beg,' and he would have done it.'

The ex-president wasn't going to let Musk off the hook with regard the billionaire's controversial decision to pull out of his $44 billion acquisition of Twitter.

He wrote: 'Now Elon should focus on getting himself out of the Twitter mess because he could owe $44 billion for something that's perhaps worthless. Also, lots of competition for electric cars!'

Trump also made reference to another potential legal issue facing Musk writing: '

Why was Elon allowed to break the $15 million stock purchase barrier on Twitter without any reporting? That is a very serious breach! Have fun Elon and @jack, go for it.'

Trump tagged Twitter founder Jack Dorsey who has not been the company's CEO since November 2021.

For the record, Twitter did mention the stock reporting issue in their lawsuit attempting to force the sale.

Musk tweeted his response shortly after Trump's message. He simply wrote: 'Lmaooo.'

That was followed up with a gif from 'The Simpsons,' a reference to the 'old man yells at cloud meme.'

Trump's messages to Musk came amid a busy day on TruthSocial for the ex-president. Trump also sent out messages endorsing MAGA supporters for the upcoming mid-term elections and disparaging the House Jan. 6 committee.

Earlier this week, Musk' slammed Trump as a liar, and 'too old' to run for president.

Those claims came in response to a recent appearance by Trump in Alaska - who has repeatedly hinted at a second presidential run in 2024 - that saw him mock Musk by calling him a 'Bull***t artist.'

The insult was triggered by an assertion from Trump that Musk lied about voting for him during his ill-fated presidential run in 2020.

The accusation referred to a Tweet from Musk last month, which saw the South African businessman brag about voting for a Republican for the first time, casting a ballot for new Texas Congresswoman Maya Flores.

Trump seemingly took issue with the endorsement, and accused Musk of lying about his political allegiance at the Alaska event Saturday.

The pair had previously had been on good terms, with Trump previously calling Musk 'one of our great geniuses' and Musk welcoming his support when he was trying to reopen his Tesla plant in California during the pandemic.

However, last month on social media, Musk said he was leaning toward Florida Governor Ron DeSantis for his preferences for the upcoming president - a pseudo-endorsement that Trump may have taken as a slight.

'You know he said the other day, 'Oh, I've never voted for a Republican,'' Trump, 76, said at his Alaska rally, when speaking about Musk's Twitter deal falling through.

'I said, 'I didn't know that. He told me he voted for me,'' he went on.

'So he's another bulls*** artist.'

Musk promptly replied to a post that shared the clip - along with an article titled 'Donald Trump: Elon Musk Told Me He Voted for Me' - to make his own bulls**t call on the president's claim.

'Not true,' Musk wrote, in an uncharacteristically succinct clap-back.

The SpaceX CEO proceeded to further pan the politician, saying he should 'hang up his hat' and call it quits on his political career, due to his advanced age.

'I don't hate the man, but it's time for Trump to hang up his hat & sail into the sunset,' Musk, 51, wrote to his more than 100million followers.

'Dems should also call off the attack,' he went on to add, referring to the currently ongoing public hearings into the Jan 6 riots by a violent mob of Trump's supporters - an occurrence the left has been trying to pin on the former president.

'Don't make it so that Trump's only way to survive is to regain the Presidency,' Musk warned.

When one Twitter user questioned which of Trump's policies Musk took issue with, the mogul instead pointed to the politico's notorious no-nonsense - and at points plain brazen - approach to politics, which he said causes 'too much drama.'

'Yeah, but too much drama,' Musk wrote in response to the user's query. 'Do we really want a bull in a china shop situation every single day!?'

Musk then circled back to the topic of the president's age.

'Also, I think the legal maximum age for start of Presidential term should be 69,' Musk wrote, before elaborating on the issue.

'Trump would be 82 at end of term, which is too old to be chief executive of anything, let alone the United States of America.'

He added: 'If DeSantis runs against Biden in 2024, then DeSantis will easily win - he doesn't even need to campaign.'

The slew of posts also saw Musk agree with another Twitter user that the world has a 'serious issue with gerontocracy' - meaning the government is controlled by old people.

Musk, who now lives in Texas, said that he voted Republican for the first time in June's special election when he cast his ballot for Flores in her bid for the 34th congressional seat against Democrat Dan Sanchez.

'I voted for Mayra Flores – first time I ever voted Republican,' Musk tweeted June 15. Massive red wave in 2022.'

When a Twitter account called Tesla Owners Silicon Valley asked Musk if he was voting Republican in the 2024 presidential election, the Tesla CEO replied 'tbd.'

Trump has yet to respond to Musk's comments.

At the rally in Anchorage, the politician accused Musk of shirking on his promised buyout of Twitter, which has been in talks since April but was abandoned due to mogul's reported concern over fake accounts on the platform.

Trump, who was booted from the site due to tweets that allegedly urged his supporters to protest the 2020 election during the January 6 riots, seemed unconvinced by that narrative.

Trump then encouraged those in the audience to instead use his own social media platform, Truth Social, which he founded after being booted from the platform last year.

Trump then encouraged those in the audience to instead use his own social media platform, Truth Social, which he founded after being from the platform last year.

'Elon. Elon,' Trump repeated, to clamorous applause. 'He's not going to buy Twitter.'

Trump then encouraged those in the audience to instead use his own social media platform, Truth Social, which he founded after being booted from the platform last year.

Earlier this week, the Republican gloated about Musk ending his efforts to buy Twitter, in a celebratory post.

'THE TWITTER DEAL IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE 'TRUTH,'' he wrote, referring to his rival platform.

The post was liked close to 37,000 times, and shared more than 9,000 times on Truth, where Trump has 3.5 million followers.

Musk, meanwhile, shocked the world in May when he announced would be switching political allegiances for the next election, saying he would vote for the Republican due to liberal bias at Twitter.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11008371/Trump-brags-Elon-Musk-drop-knees-beg-subsidies.html

:roll:

so f*cking entertaining watching these two go back & forth. trump already had it won from the jump:

The richest person in the world says he doesn't want any help from the US government, but his companies have actually gotten billions of dollars worth.. (https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-subsidies-tesla-billions-spacex-solarcity-2021-12)

Off the Court
07-15-2022, 11:14 AM
Hard to make sense of this feud. Musk basically tried to spend $44B to get Trump back on Twitter and call out the leftist bias on social media.

Only for Trump to reject him and then call him a "BS artist"?

Like why? Why would Trump attack him like that? Does he really have to lash out at everything? This is what Musk is talking about "a bull in a china shop every day".


Trump could have just said something like "I appreciate your efforts Elon but Truth Social is the future" or something of that nature. But no he had to transform it into a side show circus of insults for no reason at all.

Off the Court
07-15-2022, 11:21 AM
Musk then circled back to the topic of the president's age.

'Also, I think the legal maximum age for start of Presidential term should be 69,' Musk wrote, before elaborating on the issue.

I agree with Musk on this 100%

diamenz
07-15-2022, 01:04 PM
I agree with Musk on this 100%

age is a funny thing though, even on the more extreme end. you've got the trio of bernie, trump and biden - the former two are sharp as a tack and even have impressive physical endurance for their age whereas otoh biden... joe biden needs no explanation.

as long as you have the right vp for the job that's capable of using their presidential power to get things done and has the same ideology as you do, it shouldn't be considered much of an issue.

ideally though, you're right - geriatric candidates should be considered last resort.

diamenz
07-15-2022, 01:17 PM
the funny thing about what trump said is how musk always totes himself as a small government guy, brings up the debt & deficit over and over again and bad mouths bernie & socialism while he'd... let's just say would be in a lot of trouble without those subsidies. dude's lived off of government subsidies anywhere in the amount of $5-10 billion. talk about a bail out.


Like many other wealthy Americans, Musk has spoken out against a proposed "billionaires' tax" from Sen. Ron Wyden, writing on Twitter in October that "eventually, they run out of other people's money, and then they come for you."

More recently, he spoke out against government subsidies and tax incentives for US businesses. In a recent interview with TIME, he said the government was not a good "steward of capital."

And at a Wall Street Journal summit this month, Musk said the government should "just delete" all subsidies from the $1 trillion infrastructure bill President Joe Biden recently signed into law. Biden's bill included $7.5 billion for electric vehicle charging infrastructure, which would seem to help one of Musk's companies, Tesla Motors.

However, over the years, Musk's companies — Tesla Motors, SpaceX, and SolarCity — have received billions of dollars from government loans, contracts, tax credits, and subsidies. According to a Los Angeles Times investigation, Musk's companies had received an estimated $4.9 billion in government support by 2015, and they've gotten more since.

Off the Court
07-15-2022, 02:24 PM
age is a funny thing though, even on the more extreme end. you've got the trio of bernie, trump and biden - the former two are sharp as a tack and even have impressive physical endurance for their age whereas otoh biden... joe biden needs no explanation.

as long as you have the right vp for the job that's capable of using their presidential power to get things done and has the same ideology as you do, it shouldn't be considered much of an issue.

ideally though, you're right - geriatric candidates should be considered last resort.

Once you hit mid 70s it could be any day that your brain just falls off a cliff. It doesn't matter how "sharp" you seem, you're a ticking time bomb at that age.

And aside from mental decline, at that age you are too far removed from the younger generations to be able to relate to them or society in general.

Nanners
07-16-2022, 06:27 AM
the funny thing about what trump said is how musk always totes himself as a small government guy, brings up the debt & deficit over and over again and bad mouths bernie & socialism while he'd... let's just say would be in a lot of trouble without those subsidies. dude's lived off of government subsidies anywhere in the amount of $5-10 billion. talk about a bail out.

I dont really disagree with your points... but I also dont understand why anyone who leans left would complain about the fact that Musks companies are heavily subsidized. If Musk didnt prove that electric cars are viable with his Model S, would any of the big auto manufacturers like Ford and VW ever have bothered to build one?

Tesla has received about ~2.4b in subsidies since it was founded, and yeah that is a lot of money. That said, consider that the US govt invested $80b to save GM and Chrysler back in 2008, and ultimately the govt lost $10b on the GM bailout and $1.1b on Chrysler... and that investment didnt spark an entire car industry revolution like the Tesla subsidies did, it just allowed GM and Chrysler to keep making the same shitty cars they had been making ever since they stopped caring about their products back in the 1970s.

SpaceX has also received about ~2.5b in subsidies in its lifetime... but considering that NASA has been contracting virtually all of their launches to SpaceX (who can launch MUCH cheaper than NASA), regardless of the subsidies the US govt is still saving a ton of taxpayer money with SpaceX launching for NASA instead of NASA doing it themselves.

diamenz
07-18-2022, 09:44 PM
I dont really disagree with your points... but I also dont understand why anyone who leans left would complain about the fact that Musks companies are heavily subsidized. If Musk didnt prove that electric cars are viable with his Model S, would any of the big auto manufacturers like Ford and VW ever have bothered to build one?

Tesla has received about ~2.4b in subsidies since it was founded, and yeah that is a lot of money. That said, consider that the US govt invested $80b to save GM and Chrysler back in 2008, and ultimately the govt lost $10b on the GM bailout and $1.1b on Chrysler... and that investment didnt spark an entire car industry revolution like the Tesla subsidies did, it just allowed GM and Chrysler to keep making the same shitty cars they had been making ever since they stopped caring about their products back in the 1970s.

SpaceX has also received about ~2.5b in subsidies in its lifetime... but considering that NASA has been contracting virtually all of their launches to SpaceX (who can launch MUCH cheaper than NASA), regardless of the subsidies the US govt is still saving a ton of taxpayer money with SpaceX launching for NASA instead of NASA doing it themselves.

is elon musk for some reason exempt from the "rules for thee, but not for me"? he bashes universal health care and all of that other socialism jazz, but he himself takes as an individual government billions?

hey, i don't have a problem with the subsidies, as long as you're consistent across the board.

rawimpact
07-20-2022, 08:23 AM
The government paying space exploration companies is nothing new, its been going on way before SpaceX. It just wasn't popularized until these companies started to put their own name on their subsidized product.

Grumman was the big name in the 60s and still parttaking today under Grumman Northrop.

Nanners
07-21-2022, 02:17 AM
is elon musk for some reason exempt from the "rules for thee, but not for me"? he bashes universal health care and all of that other socialism jazz, but he himself takes as an individual government billions?

hey, i don't have a problem with the subsidies, as long as you're consistent across the board.

When exactly did Musk say anything about universal healthcare? Show me a quote.

Also, "He himself as an individual" did not take government billions. Tesla is a public corporation with 110k employees and while Musk is the largest shareholder, between investment firms and individual daytraders they probably have hundreds of thousands of shareholders as well.

Anyway, If your argument was that Elon was a creepy snake oil salesman I would totally agree with you, but attacking the subsidies his companies have received is a losing argument... especially considering the idiotic shit the US govt subsidizes (like spending ~50b within a few months in an failed attempt to prevent the Ukrainians from getting their asses kicked)

diamenz
07-21-2022, 08:12 AM
When exactly did Musk say anything about universal healthcare? Show me a quote.

Also, "He himself as an individual" did not take government billions. Tesla is a public corporation with 110k employees and while Musk is the largest shareholder, between investment firms and individual daytraders they probably have hundreds of thousands of shareholders as well.

Anyway, If your argument was that Elon was a creepy snake oil salesman I would totally agree with you, but attacking the subsidies his companies have received is a losing argument... especially considering the idiotic shit the US govt subsidizes (like spending ~50b within a few months in an failed attempt to prevent the Ukrainians from getting their asses kicked)

maybe i was wrong:

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008438394559451136?lang=en

in my defense, from what i recalled, elon was always quick to trash social programs in general. i suppose this just goes to remind you that people's political views can vary across the spectrum, even within a particular realm. anyway, i think the takeaway from that tweet is that america has always been a mixture of socialism and capitalism... it's finding the balance and swinging it more towards the 'commons' like hc & education is where the focus should be... instead of ridiculous woke things like reparations for blacks, for example.

Nanners
07-21-2022, 09:10 AM
maybe i was wrong:

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008438394559451136?lang=en

in my defense, from what i recalled, elon was always quick to trash social programs in general. i suppose this just goes to remind you that people's political views can vary across the spectrum, even within a particular realm. anyway, i think the takeaway from that tweet is that america has always been a mixture of socialism and capitalism... it's finding the balance and swinging it more towards the 'commons' like hc & education is where the focus should be... instead of ridiculous woke things like reparations for blacks, for example.

I wouldnt be surprised if Elon was a lying piece of shit with that tweet, hes probably full of shit on most tweets IMHO.

It would be kinda funny if Elon was pushing for reparations for blacks, considering his family fortune was derived from precious gemstone mines in Africa... whats next, one of the rockafeller heirs supporting reparations for the entire american people?

Jasper
07-27-2022, 06:54 PM
trump biden Musk

that would be a hell of a shit prez run.