Can the Lakers win the championship if they trade Westbrook for Hield + Turner?

[Im Still Ballin]

If the Kyrie trade falls through, this might be their alternative option.

Is this a championship-level team? Do they have what it takes to win it all?

Kendrick Nunn // Austin Reaves
Buddy Hield // Lonnie Walker // Talen Horton-Tucker
LeBron James // Stanley Johnson // Juan Toscano-Anderson
Anthony Davis // Wenyen Gabriel
Myles Turner // Damian Jones // Thomas Bryant

[RRR3]

It really depends on how good LeBron and AD still can be. As well as how healthy they can be. If they can’t get rid of Disasterbrook expect another laughable season.

[Bankaii]

It would basically be the 2020 lakers again. Lebron and AD + role players.
It would depend completely on Lebron’s decline and AD’s health, per usual.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Easily...

Hield is the perfect complimentary piece and Turner can space the floor and play great defense...

Both guys are literally better than westbrook by themselves... the lakers would be better if westbrick died tomorrow. So getting two amazing young pieces for him would be a massive W.

Why are we pretending irving would be better than hield/turner?

Give me that package over irving all day.

[Cyrus334]

Potentially, if AD goes back to 2020 and Lebron can actually be engaged on both sides of the court this year. I still don't like they're perimeter defense as any half decent guard let alone star guard is going to light them up. And look at that bench yikes.

But that deal isn't going to happen so there's point in bringing it up. The Kyrie trade is only a possibility because no team wants him and he's said he wants to be a Laker. Turner and Hield are not as open to get because other teams can and will beat whatever offer the Lakers give the Pacers.

[3ba11]

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The historical record shows that Lebron needs 1 of 2 things to win a title:



1) super-team (3rd star)

or

2) teammate to lead the scoring


The current Lakers don't have a 3rd star but they do have AD to lead them in scoring again.

So it comes down to AD and whether he can dominate Jokic again.. Lebron has little to do with anything - he's just the "pippen" (2nd leading scorer)

Ultimately, Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.

[AlternativeAcc.]

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The historical record shows that Lebron needs 1 of 2 things to win a title:



1) super-team (3rd star)

or

2) teammate to lead the scoring


The current Lakers don't have a 3rd star but they do have AD to lead them in scoring again.

So it comes down to AD and whether he can dominate Jokic again.. Lebron has little to do with anything - he's just the "pippen" (2nd leading scorer)

Ultimately, Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.

But you don't say Irving was just the pippen in 2016...

So irving had little to do with anything using your own logic above

[King Baron]

I don't see the Pacers doing that trade. But for the sake of the topic question, probably not imo. Too injury prone. Turner played 42 and 47 games last two seasons. He's a great shot blocker but you're looking at a combination of missed games for Davis and Turner. Possibly LeBron too last few years.

Nunn wouldn't be an improvement over Westbrook imo. Hield is a solid player, great fit with LeBron who requires three point shooters. But he seemed content to settle on the Kings when they thought he would breakout and become a superstar. The proposed team has a chance if they were healthy all season though.

[3ba11]

But you don't say Irving was just the pippen in 2016...

So irving had little to do with anything using your own logic above


Lebron had a 3rd star on those Kyrie teams (super-teams)

But without a super-team, Lebron needs someone else to lead the scoring.. he never won without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron had a 3rd star on those Kyrie teams (super-teams)

But without a super-team, Lebron needs someone else to lead the scoring.. he never won without a super-team as the clear-cut top producer

Love averaged 14ppg in the 2016 playoffs, which is far below Jordan Poole this season (warriors 4th option)

And Irving and love provided no defense or playmaking.. unlike pippen and Rodman

Also, lebron and ad both averaged 27ppg for the playoffs, but lebron MASSIVELY outassisted AD and outrebounded him, so he was far more offensively productive

The same can be said (even moreso) in 2016

Try again

[3ba11]

Love averaged 14ppg in the 2016 playoffs, which is far below Jordan Poole this season (warriors 4th option)

And Irving and love provided no defense or playmaking.. unlike pippen and Rodman

Also, lebron and ad both averaged 27ppg for the playoffs, but lebron MASSIVELY outassisted AD and outrebounded him, so he was far more offensively productive

The same can be said (even moreso) in 2016

Try again



Career APG

Westbrook..... 8.6
Rondo............ 8.0
Kyrie.............. 5.7
Wade............. 5.4
Jordan........... 5.3
Pippen.......... 5.2


So Lebron needed the most passing help, while also needing goat scoring help and he wasn't required to play defense (Lebron wasn't all-defense in his 30's)

aka they don't call em' super-teams for nothing lol - Lebron had more help in ALL AREAS (scoring, passing and he didn't have to be a good defender)

[AlternativeAcc.]

Career APG

Westbrook..... 8.6
Rondo............ 8.0
Kyrie.............. 5.7
Wade............. 5.4
Jordan........... 5.3
Pippen.......... 5.2


So Lebron needed the most passing help, while also needing goat scoring help and he wasn't required to play defense (Lebron wasn't all-defense in his 30's)

aka they don't call em' super-teams for nothing lol - Lebron had more help in ALL AREAS (scoring, passing and he didn't have to be a good defender)

So LeBron outassisted Irving 8 to 5 in 2016, and Davis 9 to 3 in 2020 (and led in almost every category both years)

While carrying the Cavs defense in 2016

Try again

[3ba11]

Career APG

Westbrook..... 8.6
Rondo............ 8.0
Kyrie.............. 5.7
Wade............. 5.4
Jordan........... 5.3
Pippen.......... 5.2



So LeBron outassisted Irving 8 to 5 in 2016, and Davis 9 to 3 in 2020 (and led in almost every category both years)

While carrying the Cavs defense in 2016

Try again


Jordan led the Bulls in assists too, so saying that Lebron led in assist means nothing

The point is that Jordan's teammates were inferior passers that averaged less assists than Lebron's teammates, who were ELITE PG's

So you were proven wrong

Lebron needs more passing help, scoring help and doesn't have to be a good defender

Otoh, Jordan had inferior passers at sidekick, the least scoring help of any top 10 player, and he was required to be top 7 DPOY from 88-98' (25-35)

No comparison... Night and day.. Lebron obviously SUCKS compared to Jordan

[Xiao Yao You]

will Lebron and Davis play 80 games between them? Shit show!

[AlternativeAcc.]

Career APG

Westbrook..... 8.6
Rondo............ 8.0
Kyrie.............. 5.7
Wade............. 5.4
Jordan........... 5.3
Pippen.......... 5.2





Jordan led the Bulls in assists too, so saying that Lebron led in assist means nothing

And his teammates were inferior passers than Lebron

So you were proven wrong

Lebron needs more passing help, scoring help and doesn't have to be a good defender

Otoh, Jordan had inferior passers at sidekick, the least scoring help of any top 10 player, and he was required to be top 7 DPOY from 88-98' (25-35)

No comparison... Night and day.. Lebron obviously SUCKS compared to Jordan

You posted career regular season career assist totals

That's beyond casual fan, it's far weaker

LeBron was always by far his team's best playmaker and defender for almost every title... Jordan never was

I'm making you pull out some of the most embarrassing arguments and strawmans possible... you're getting destroyed in a historic way

[NBAGOAT]

They have a few other options now. Hayward/rozier from cha and conley/15 mil guy from Utah

[Xiao Yao You]

They have a few other options now. Hayward/rozier from cha and conley/15 mil guy from Utah

Ainge isn't taking Westbrook

[3ba11]

You posted career regular season career assist totals

That's beyond casual fan, it's far weaker

LeBron was always by far his team's best playmaker and defender for almost every title... Jordan never was

I'm making you pull out some of the most embarrassing arguments and strawmans possible... you're getting destroyed in a historic way


Jordan led the Bulls in assists for the following playoff runs:

88', 89', 90', 91', 93', 97'

That's 6 of 9 playoff runs - so Jordan led in assists for nearly every playoff run

Furthermore, Pippen just swung the ball from one side to the other - he couldn't break guys down off-the-dribble and couldn't average more than 7 assists... So if elite assists were necessary, Jordan was the only option.. :confusedshrug:

Jordan averaged 30/9/11 at point guard in 1989, including 10 triple double in 11 games - Pippen can't do that.. Jordan was called the best point guard that year and better than Magic or Stockton... Again, Pippen is nowhere near this - he's a basic 5 assist passer and probably the 389th best passer in history - he wasn't capable of top-level playmaking like Jordan.. Jordan averaged 11 apg in the 91' Finals, which Lebron never did... That was the first time anyone averaged 10 apg without starting at PG and bringing the ball up court.

So Jordan was the only elite passer on the Bulls and the only real playmaker, while also getting more DPOY votes than Pippen every year except 96/97.. Pippen didn't get any votes in 93', while Jordan was 2md... So Jordan got more DPOY votes every year and was always the primary defender on the best player like Magic, Drexler, Miller or Payton.. Pippen was only the primary defender on Glen Rice, Penny, Dominique, Larry Johnson and Juwan Howard, who all torched him.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jordan led the Bulls in assists for the following playoff runs:

88', 89', 90', 91', 93', 97'

That's 6 of 9 playoff runs - so Jordan led in assists for nearly every playoff run

Furthermore, Pippen just swung the ball from one side to the other - he couldn't break guys down off-the-dribble and couldn't average more than 7 assists... So if elite assists were necessary, Jordan was the only option.. :confusedshrug:

Jordan averaged 30/9/11 at point guard in 1989, including 10 triple double in 11 games - Pippen can't do that.. Jordan was called the best point guard that year and better than Magic or Stockton... Again, Pippen is nowhere near this - he's a basic 5 assist passer and probably the 389th best passer in history - he wasn't capable of top-level playmaking like Jordan.. Jordan averaged 11 apg in the 91' Finals, which Lebron never did... That was the first time anyone averaged 10 apg without starting at PG and bringing the ball up court.

So Jordan was the only elite passer on the Bulls and the only real playmaker, while also getting more DPOY votes than Pippen every year except 96/97.. Pippen didn't get any votes in 93', while Jordan was 2md... So Jordan got more DPOY votes every year and was always the primary defender on the best player like Magic, Drexler, Miller or Payton.. Pippen was only the primary defender on Glen Rice, Penny, Dominique, Larry Johnson and Juwan Howard, who all torched him.
Not reading any of this shit

You went from lebron means little because AD outscored him by .2 points in 2020 playoffs to saying love was a 3rd star averaging 14ppg with no defense at a premium position to talking about Jordan's passing..

Just embarrassing

[Spurs m8]

3ball ethering this guy

[Lakers Legend#32]

I'd much rather have Hield and Turner over Kyrie.

[Xiao Yao You]

As such, according to one source familiar with the team’s thinking, there is no push forthcoming from the Lakers’ side to swap Talen Horton-Tucker (as rumored) for Patrick Beverley, who ranks as one of Utah’s very available veterans alongside Mike Conley, Bojan Bogdanović and Jordan Clarkson (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league).

– via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league)




that's more like it. Jazz don't want Westbrook!

[Im Still Ballin]

I'd much rather have Hield and Turner over Kyrie.

Hield and Turner, then somehow flip THT for Patrick Beverley.

Beverley
Hield
LeBron
AD
Myles

Sick lineup!

[Xiao Yao You]

Hield and Turner, then somehow flip THT for Patrick Beverley.

Beverley
Hield
LeBron
AD
Myles

Sick lineup!

there will be a lot of sick Laker fans for sure when Davis and Lebron are watching in street clothes while the Lakers get beat

[Axe]

At least ad has gotten past the second round. Wonder when will baguette make his, this time with a new squad.

[Xiao Yao You]

At least ad has gotten past the second round. Wonder when will baguette make his, this time with a new squad.

when the bubble is your legacy! :facepalm

[Im Still Ballin]

there will be a lot of sick Laker fans for sure when Davis and Lebron are watching in street clothes while the Lakers get beat

You're not wrong.

[Jay-B]

I don’t think this team would win a title, make the playoffs yes. Even with Kyrie I’m not sure if they win it all, I think the Lebron AD project has kind of lost juice Lebron is older and AD can’t stay healthy

[Johnny32]

Playoff leaders since 2010:

Points — LeBron James
Rebounds — LeBron James
Assists — LeBron James
Steals — LeBron James
Blocks — Serge Ibaka
Wins — LeBron James

i'm telling you there's a chance.

[Lakers Legend#32]

I'm down with that.

[King Baron]

It's a big risk to pile on injury prone players when a team already has trouble staying healthy. Would you rather have an Andre Miller who pretty much always plays, never misses games, or a potential star squad on paper who rarely play?

Games and minutes played is pretty underrated imo, Iverson should get way more credit for playing every minute for years on end.

[Xiao Yao You]

It's a big risk to pile on injury prone players when a team already has trouble staying healthy. Would you rather have an Andre Miller who pretty much always plays, never misses games, or a potential star squad on paper who rarely play?

Games and minutes played is pretty underrated imo, Iverson should get way more credit for playing every minute for years on end.

So should Westbrook. Those guys are warriors. I wouldn't want them on my team but I wouldn't want Davis either. There won't be another bubble!