Will there ever be a weaker era than the 90s? Two top 20 guys tops, zero competition.

[Shooter]

The top player of the era's #1 competition at his same position was...Clyde Drexler or John Starks (WTF)

The entire 90s had two players in the top 20: Jordan & Hakeem. And the two years Hakeem had a chance to compete with MJ he skipped town to play baseball. The NBA also literally made the 3-point line shorter to match WNBA distances. Are we seriously ignoring all this? :lol

90s ball = weakest era of all time

[Axe]

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[tontoz]

Why don't you post some, or maybe just one, top 20 list from any media outlet that has only 2 guys from the 90s?

I won't hold my breath.

[Johnny32]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33297498/the-nba-75th-anniversary-team-ranked-where-76-basketball-legends-check-our-list

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why are you and 3ball two peas in a pod?

[Johnny32]

Why don't you post some, or maybe just one, top 20 list from any media outlet that has only 2 guys from the 90s?

I won't hold my breath.


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33297498/the-nba-75th-anniversary-team-ranked-where-76-basketball-legends-check-our-list

kind of funny how easy this was.

LeHoldTheL

[WhiteKyrie]

2 top 20?

Complex top 75 has 5x top 20’s 90’s guys

Shaq ‘93 - ‘99
Duncan ‘97 - ‘99
Hakeem ‘90 - ‘99
Barkley ‘90 - ‘99
K. Malone ‘90 - ‘99

#21 is D. Robinson :oldlol:

Also played 3 or more years in the 90s

Kobe ‘97 - ‘99
KG - ‘96 - ‘99
Iverson ‘97 - ‘99
Nash ‘97 - ‘99
Allen ‘97 - ‘99

[tontoz]

Lol agenda man at his best. First he has to say top 20 specifically top 20 instead of top 25 since 22,23,24, and 25 are from the 90s.

Secondly it explains why he is so desperate to put Shaq in the 00s even though he was drafted in '92.

He must have really had to suck it up to post a list that had Jordan at number 1. :oldlol:

[Shooter]

Why don't you post some, or maybe just one, top 20 list from any media outlet that has only 2 guys from the 90s?

I won't hold my breath.

Are you a new fan?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33297498/the-nba-75th-anniversary-team-ranked-where-76-basketball-legends-check-our-list

Guys like Malone and Barkley got passed up QUICKLY by Durant, Curry, and Giannis with guys like Kawhi (and eventually Jokic, Luka, Butler) knocking on the door to push them even further up.

[Shooter]

Why are you and 3ball two peas in a pod?

He is repeatedly out of line and I must punish him. I apologize but it's mostly his fault.

[Johnny32]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33297498/the-nba-75th-anniversary-team-ranked-where-76-basketball-legends-check-our-list

espn top 20 (feb. 2022)

mj
bron
kaj
magic
wilt
russell
bird
td
oscar
kobe
shaq
kd
dream
dr j
moses
steph
dirk
giannis
west
baylor

leouchie

[Johnny32]

Lol agenda man at his best. First he has to say top 20 specifically top 20 instead of top 25 since 22,23,24, and 25 are from the 90s.

Secondly it explains why he is so desperate to put Shaq in the 00s even though he was drafted in '92.

He must have really had to suck it up to post a list that had Jordan at number 1. :oldlol:

#2 still playing about to break every all time record, #1 an old fat drunk.

i like "our" chances

[Baller789]

#2 still playing about to break every all time record, #1 an old fat drunk.

i like "our" chances

You mean all longevity records?

[Shooter]

You mean all longevity records?

Well he aint a shortgevity player :lol You know who is tho? :lol

[Baller789]

Well he aint a shortgevity player :lol You know who is tho? :lol

Thats a yes or no for you.

[tontoz]

#2 still playing about to break every all time record, #1 an old fat drunk.

i like "our" chances

That old fat drunk is still and always will be more popular than LeBron.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq peaked during the 99-2000 season.

So technically, his peak did start in the 90s :lol

Suppose the next comparison would be 93-99 Shaq versus his 99-05 self. I'm taking the latter if only for the Laker threepeat.

[Johnny32]

Shaq peaked during the 99-2000 season.

So technically, his peak did start in the 90s :lol

Suppose the next comparison would be 93-99 Shaq versus his 99-05 self. I'm taking the latter if only for the Laker threepeat.

retard has no clue how decades work. at this point it isn't surprising at all.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

retard has no clue how decades work. at this point it isn't surprising at all.

This nerd is always raging :oldlol:

Tell me why 1999 isn't part of the 90s decade. This should be good.....

[Johnny32]

This nerd is always raging :oldlol:

Tell me why 1999 isn't part of the 90s decade. This should be good.....

google how decades work in sports you fat, unathletic, short bus riding, mouth breathing, window licking, tard.

[Shooter]

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:roll:

The 90s era :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

google how decades work in sports you fat, unathletic, short bus riding, mouth breathing, window licking, tard.

We get it. You're a keyboard warrior.

But you haven't explained why 1999 isn't part of the 90s decade. Don't run bitch :lol

[Shooter]

Yeah, we get it. You're a keyboard warrior.

But you haven't explained why 99 isn't part of the 90s decade. Don't run bitch :lol

Bro

Shaq won 4 championships in the 00s and zero in the 90s. He also ripped off three straight FMVPs on some G shit, like 35/14/4 on 55% type shit for the three Finals:

2000
2001
2002

You good?

[Baller789]

Bro

Shaq won 4 championships in the 00s and zero in the 90s. He also ripped off three straight FMVPs on some G shit, like 35/14/4 on 55% type shit for the three Finals:

2000
2001
2002

You good?

Are NBA championships won by teams or by individuals?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bro

Shaq won 4 championships in the 00s and zero in the 90s. He also ripped off three straight FMVPs on some G shit, like 35/14/4 on 55% type shit for the three Finals:

2000
2001
2002

You good?

Are you?

I have 2000s Shaq > 90s Shaq. Read above. Went with 2000s Shaq specifically because for the threepeat. Playoff and Finals Shaq was something to behold.

[HoopsNY]

2 top 20?

Complex top 75 has 5x top 20’s 90’s guys

Shaq ‘93 - ‘99
Duncan ‘97 - ‘99
Hakeem ‘90 - ‘99
Barkley ‘90 - ‘99
K. Malone ‘90 - ‘99

#21 is D. Robinson :oldlol:

Also played 3 or more years in the 90s

Kobe ‘97 - ‘99
KG - ‘96 - ‘99
Iverson ‘97 - ‘99
Nash ‘97 - ‘99
Allen ‘97 - ‘99

The funny thing is the focus is on the top 20 and not top 25, otherwise OP and others would have to include Barkley, Malone, Robinson, and maybe even Pippen.

[MrFonzworth]

OP with another lonely weekend spent on ish:lol

[TheMan]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33297498/the-nba-75th-anniversary-team-ranked-where-76-basketball-legends-check-our-list

Same list that puts MJ as GOAT...so we agree MJ the GOAT then?

[TheMan]

Are you a new fan?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33297498/the-nba-75th-anniversary-team-ranked-where-76-basketball-legends-check-our-list

Guys like Malone and Barkley got passed up QUICKLY by Durant, Curry, and Giannis with guys like Kawhi (and eventually Jokic, Luka, Butler) knocking on the door to push them even further up.
That happens naturally you idiot. The Top 25 list in 2000 is different than today, also in 1990, 1980 etc. Unless the NBA is totally stagnant and newer players don't replace older ones, then top 25 lists won't change. Top 25 in 2040 will be different as the greats of that time go into that list and knock off more from these eras. Do we really have to explain this to you, nimrod?

[Baller789]

Shooter aka 8ball isnt exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[TheGoatest]

1992-93 Mark Price
1993-94 Latrell Sprewell
1996-97 Tim Hardaway

Worst 3 perimeter player All-NBA 1st team selections of all time crammed into a single decade.

[Bacchus]

You like to discredit Jordan by saying Pippen was so great. How come Pippen did not make the all-star game three times in the 90's if the 90's were so weak?

[Hey Yo]

You like to discredit Jordan by saying Pippen was so great. How come Pippen did not make the all-star game three times in the 90's if the 90's were so weak?

Pippen was All-NBA on both ends of the court for 5 of their 6* titles.

Achieving that >>>>> being voted to the All star game.

[TheGoatest]

You like to say that jordon prevented a bunch of other "all-time greats" from winning rings. How come those "all-time greats" didn't win a ring in 1994 or 1995, especially against a team whose #2 scorer in the playoffs averaged 13.8 points on .376 shooting?

The fact that The Great Scott Pippen made the all-defensive 1st team in 1997-98 while barely playing half of the games shows how incredibly shyte the talent pool in that decade was.

[TheMan]

You like to say that jordon prevented a bunch of other "all-time greats" from winning rings. How come those "all-time greats" didn't win a ring in 1994 or 1995, especially against a team whose #2 scorer in the playoffs averaged 13.8 points on .376 shooting?

The fact that The Great Scott Pippen made the all-defensive 1st team in 1997-98 while barely playing half of the games shows how incredibly shyte the talent pool in that decade was.

The 90s were known as the elite big men era, Shaq, Hakeem, Mourning, Ewing, DRobinson, Mutombo, Smits, Daugherty, TDuncan...much more so than any point since including today. Game is much different, it doesn't mean it's better now, rules favor a more open, fast paced up and down perimeter game. To a purists POV, today's game is trash for it's lack of dominant big men playing close to the rim instead of chucking threes at a barely .300 clip which is laughably acceptable nowadays since everyone is jacking up 3s. Also, there are plenty of knowledgeable NBA pundits who call today's NBA the softest era ever...

[RogueBorg]

And the two years Hakeem had a chance to compete with MJ he skipped town to play baseball.
So we're going to forget that Hakeem had a chance to compete in 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998? You know, the years where the two were actually playing at the same time?

[WhiteKyrie]

Only in a LeTard Stan’s mind is losing more valuable than actually winning.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Only in a LeTard Stan’s mind is losing more valuable than actually winning.

Weak strawman

You guys say winning championships is the most important thing but shit on Pippen...

Why do chips for 1st options matter but not 2nd options? Why does "winning" work for Baldan but not the guy better than Jordan in every aspect except scoring?

I know, you don't have a real response coach.

[Bacchus]

The two top shot blockers came from the 80's. So did the all-time steal and assist leader

[2much_knowledge]

Weak strawman

You guys say winning championships is the most important thing but shit on Pippen...

Why do chips for 1st options matter but not 2nd options? Why does "winning" work for Baldan but not the guy better than Jordan in every aspect except scoring?

I know, you don't have a real response coach.

Right, so go ahead and prop Kobe for his excellent work in 00, 01 and 02

[2much_knowledge]

Recency bias out the window and malone and barkley are still top 20 players

[Cali Syndicate]

Who in top 10 has lebron faced during playoffs.

Curry
Durant
Dirk
Duncan

Mj faced

Magic
Barkely
Shaq


Man so crazy /s

[AlternativeAcc.]

Right, so go ahead and prop Kobe for his excellent work in 00, 01 and 02

Kobe wasn't a bad 2nd option, but pippen has 6 sidekick rings and Kobe only got 3, so Pippen > Kobe as a sidekick

Isn't that the logic?

[RRR3]

Who in top 10 has lebron faced during playoffs.

Curry
Durant
Dirk
Duncan

Mj faced

Magic
Barkely
Shaq


Man so crazy /s
Curry and Duncan are top 10. Durant still could be eventually.

[TheGoatest]

Recency bias out the window and malone and barkley are still top 20 players

jordon extremist alt bias out the window and no, they're not

jordon extremist alts love to paint the picture that Malone and Barkley were true greats whose only misfortune was to play in the same era as the Almighty jordon, which is why they were prevented of winning a ring. Then you point to the 1994 and 1995 seasons and how Malone and Barkley couldn't win in an era where a team whose second leading scorer in the playoffs averaged 13.8 points on .376 shooting, and the alts get real quiet. They have no explanation why Malone and Barkley couldn't win in these seasons. The same goes for other of jordon's "competition" like Ewing, Miller, and other overrated 90s tripe.

Aside from The Great Scott Pippen, who as we know was on jordon's team, the only proper all-time great from the 90s was Olajuwon. And the reason why Olajuwon is great is almost exclusively for what he did in the 1993-94 and 1994-95 seasons, where jordon wasn't there to face him. Olajuwon had a 6-0 record against jordon in the 1st 3peat Bulls seasons by the way, including individual dominance such as blocking jordon's attempted game winner in the clutch.

[Baller789]

jordon extremist alt bias out the window and no, they're not

jordon extremist alts love to paint the picture that Malone and Barkley were true greats whose only misfortune was to play in the same era as the Almighty jordon, which is why they were prevented of winning a ring. Then you point to the 1994 and 1995 seasons and how Malone and Barkley couldn't win in an era where a team whose second leading scorer in the playoffs averaged 13.8 points on .376 shooting, and the alts get real quiet. They have no explanation why Malone and Barkley couldn't win in these seasons. The same goes for other of jordon's "competition" like Ewing, Miller, and other overrated 90s tripe.

Aside from The Great Scott Pippen, who as we know was on jordon's team, the only proper all-time great from the 90s was Olajuwon. And the reason why Olajuwon is great is almost exclusively for what he did in the 1993-94 and 1994-95 seasons, where jordon wasn't there to face him. Olajuwon had a 6-0 record against jordon in the 1st 3peat Bulls seasons by the way, including individual dominance such as blocking jordon's attempted game winner in the clutch.

So goatits, are you saying the Jazz wouldnt have won the championship in 97 or 98?

[TheMan]

Curry and Duncan are top 10. Durant still could be eventually.
That's your opinion, TDuncan for sure is top 10, but I wouldn't quite put Curry there yet. KD has a better case (regardless of that weak colluding move) as of right now. Curry barely got his first FMVP.

[TheGoatest]

Yeah, Curry is not top 10 yet, but he is top 20, which is what this thread was about anyway.

[TheMan]

Yeah, Curry is not top 10 yet, but he is top 20, which is what this thread was about anyway.

Curry definitely is top 20, but to claim there are only two 90s players on GOAT lists is moronic, top 20 lists (or any list) is subjective, and players don't only play in one decade, their careers overlap, MJ played in the 80s, 90s and 00s, same with TDuncan, 90s, 00s and 10s, he was FMVP in the 90s FFS. The 90s had MJ, TDuncan, Shaq (it's agenda driven BS to pretend he started playing at a high caliber starting in 2000, he made the Finals in 95), DRobinson, Karl Malone, Hakeem, Barkley, Pippen and Stockton. There are plenty of top 20-25 lists that have those players included, so it's complete bullshit and agenda driven the notion the 90s had only two top tier superstars.

[Johnny32]

lol the over-glorification of their beloved 90s is finally ending. glad to see espn leading the way.

mj
bron
kaj
magic
wilt
russell
bird
td
oscar
kobe
shaq
kd
dream
dr j
moses
steph
dirk
giannis
west
baylor

suck it up, buttercups.

[WhiteKyrie]

The two top shot blockers came from the 80's. So did the all-time steal and assist leader

So did Jordan, he decimated the 80s biggest star to start the decade in the 1991 finals.

[TheMan]

lol the over-glorification of their beloved 90s is finally ending. glad to see espn leading the way.

mj
bron
kaj
magic
wilt
russell
bird
td
oscar
kobe
shaq
kd
dream
dr j
moses
steph
dirk
giannis
west
baylor

suck it up, buttercups.
Huh, these guys played in the 90s :confusedshrug: Magic and Bird were at the end of their careers, Kobe and Dirk starting theirs so I'll give you a cookie and not include them oficially but TimmyD won FMVP and Shaq made the Finals...in the 90s :lol

And, your whole reason for exsistence here is to prop up LeBron and knock MJ, that ESPN list STILL has MJ as the GOAT so you're citing a poll that defeats your whole purpose. :roll:

And if we're citing ESPN as the end all of top 20 lists, what say you of the ESPN pundit who put Curry as 2nd GOAT, obviously behind MJ? Do we agree or disregard because it doesn't fit our agenda?

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Dat conundrum :lol

[Johnny32]

#2 still playing about to break every all time record, #1 an old fat drunk.

i like "our" chances

LeYawn.

[TheMan]

That didn't work for KAJ or KMalone, won't for LeBron either...'tis set in stone, I'm afraid...

I'm hoping I can still one day see someone surpass MJ as GOAT, strictly as an NBA fan, that would be awesome and insane but unfortunately, that ain't looking good :(

[Johnny32]

That didn't work for KAJ or KMalone, won't for LeBron either...'tis set in stone, I'm afraid...

I'm hoping I can still one day see someone surpass MJ as GOAT, strictly as an NBA fan, that would be awesome and insane but unfortunately, that ain't looking good :(

they weren't leading the lg in scoring at 37 either. lebron's legacy is already aging like fine wine and he's still playing. i honestly think it's inevitable he ends up the goat.

[theman93]

Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Drexler, Payton, Ewing, Miller, etc are all lower on the all-time rankings because of MJ. That doesn't make 90's competition weak it just means MJ was that good.

[TheMan]

they weren't leading the lg in scoring at 37 either. lebron's legacy is already aging like fine wine and he's still playing. i honestly think it's inevitable he ends up the goat.

I don't, he should be universally seen as GOAT right now, just as KAJ was and then Jordan was BEFORE they retired. It hasn't happened yet, it won't after he's gone. Take solace that a lot of young people who never saw MJ will see him as their GOAT but get used to the idea that a decided majority won't. Back in the 90s, even most older heads saw MJ as the GOAT, though KAJ, Russell and Wilt still had some support. No trolling, LeBron is a generational talent with obvious flaws, as all all time legends have, but I just never saw him as a dominant unbeatable player, not when you go 4-6 in the Finals. Like it or not, MJ had that aura, and so did Shaq, never seen that since...

[Johnny32]

I don't, he should be universally seen as GOAT right now, just as KAJ was and then Jordan was BEFORE they retired. It hasn't happened yet, it won't after he's gone. Take solace that a lot of young people who never saw MJ will see him as their GOAT but get used to the idea that a decided majority won't. Back in the 90s, even most older heads saw MJ as the GOAT, though KAJ, Russell and Wilt still had some support. No trolling, LeBron is a generational talent with obvious flaws, as all time legends do, but I just never saw him as a dominant unbeatable player, not when you go 4-6 in the Finals.

disagree. it's the entire body of work. it's honestly already enough to call it the greatest career. throw in the all time scoring leader and that pretty much closes the deal.

[Johnny32]

he's going to end up with a resume like this.

20x all star (most in nba history)
20x all nba teams (most in nba history)
all time scoring leader nba history
all time scoring leader playoff history
10 finals appearances (4 championships, 4 fmvp)
4x reg season mvps

that's the goat career.

[Baller789]

So goatits, are you saying the Jazz wouldnt have won the championship in 97 or 98?


Yeah, Curry is not top 10 yet, but he is top 20, which is what this thread was about anyway.

Hey goaTITs whered ya go?

[Baller789]

he's going to end up with a resume like this.

20x all star (most in nba history)
20x all nba teams (most in nba history)
all time scoring leader nba history
all time scoring leader playoff history
10 finals appearances (4 championships, 4 fmvp)
4x reg season mvps

that's the goat career.

LOL @ the 10 finals appearances shtick.

[2much_knowledge]

Huh, these guys played in the 90s :confusedshrug: Magic and Bird were at the end of their careers, Kobe and Dirk starting theirs so I'll give you a cookie and not include them oficially but TimmyD won FMVP and Shaq made the Finals...in the 90s :lol

And, your whole reason for exsistence here is to prop up LeBron and knock MJ, that ESPN list STILL has MJ as the GOAT so you're citing a poll that defeats your whole purpose. :roll:

And if we're citing ESPN as the end all of top 20 lists, what say you of the ESPN pundit who put Curry as 2nd GOAT, obviously behind MJ? Do we agree or disregard because it doesn't fit our agenda?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqO1kv3no6tapVrYSao4Wf71GR4MtZs 8s4PgrByCUmg-UEi0B8RXhcDh8&s=10
Dat conundrum :lol

Damn.... done

[2much_knowledge]

Karl Malone lol

Im gonna bury you right now


So you are saying Karl aint a true great, but somehow he has similar if not better career totals than your hero lol. If karl is overrated, that makes lebron look bad

How many all time great teammates did prime Karl had around?? One?? Assuming you think stockton was a great.

Just imagine Karl jumping to the knicks in 92 and then to Seattle in 96 just like bronny lol

Malone/Ewing/starks/mason/oakley = rings
Malone/Kemp/Payton/detlef/perkins = rings

Similar career at least minus the assist

[TheGoatest]

:oldlol: George Gervin is closer to jordon in terms of overall career resumé than Karl Malone is to LeBron. :roll:

[TheGoatest]

he's going to end up with a resume like this.

20x all star (most in nba history)
20x all nba teams (most in nba history)
all time scoring leader nba history
all time scoring leader playoff history
10 finals appearances (4 championships, 4 fmvp)
4x reg season mvps

that's the goat career.

Imagine someone telling you 20 years ago that a player with career accomplishments as this would exist one day. Nobody would believe it was possible. :eek:

[2much_knowledge]

:oldlol: George Gervin is closer to jordon in terms of overall career resumé than Karl Malone is to LeBron. :roll:

Yup. Missing 2 team jumps in prime lol

[97 bulls]

Imagine someone telling you 20 years ago that a player with career accomplishments as this would exist one day. Nobody would believe it was possible. :eek:

But all those achievements were held by Kareem Abdul Jabaar and he was never considered the GOAT. And Kareem has 6 MVPs and 5 Championships. And he has more Finals appearances.

[Johnny32]

But all those achievements were held by Kareem Abdul Jabaar and he was never considered the GOAT. And Kareem has 6 MVPs and 5 Championships. And he has more Finals appearances.

uh

19x all star
15x all nba

no that isn't 20x20. he's also made 10 finals appearances so once again, wrong. and many people have argued for kareem as the goat also idk wtf you're typing about.

[Johnny32]

lol also kareem has 6 champs not 5 lol just noticed that. only 2 fmvp's though. if you were trying to be wrong about everything...good job.

[97 bulls]

uh

19x all star
15x all nba

no that isn't 20x20. he's also made 10 finals appearances so once again, wrong. and many people have argued for kareem as the goat also idk wtf you're typing about.

I didn't say Jabaar had 20. I said he was the all time leader in the categories mentioned. Which mean he's the only person to have achieved both. That isn't enough to warrant him being the consensus GOAT. That's why you trolls aren't making multiple threads daily trying to knock Jabaar off the pirch. You're trying to knock Jordan off because he's considered the consensus GOAT.

[97 bulls]

lol also kareem has 6 champs not 5 lol just noticed that. only 2 fmvp's though. if you were trying to be wrong about everything...good job.

Lol. So you just strengthened my argument. So everything James MIGHT accomplish, Kareem has already as far as the statistical rankings you listed. And he's accomplished more. Why isnt Jabaar considered the consensus GOAT?

[Axe]

Lol. So you just strengthened my argument. So everything James MIGHT accomplish, Kareem has already as far as the statistical rankings you listed. And he's accomplished more. Why isnt Jabaar considered the consensus GOAT?
Didn't roundball rock say before that he's the goat? :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

Didn't roundball rock say before that he's the goat? :oldlol:

I'm not saying you can't find people that feel Jabaar is the GOAT. But the consensus? No

[97 bulls]

I didn't say Jabaar had 20. I said he was the all time leader in the categories mentioned. Which mean he's the only person to have achieved both. That isn't enough to warrant him being the consensus GOAT. That's why you trolls aren't making multiple threads daily trying to knock Jabaar off the pirch. You're trying to knock Jordan off because he's considered the consensus GOAT.

My point still stands.

[8Ball]

The top player of the era's #1 competition at his same position was...Clyde Drexler or John Starks (WTF)

The entire 90s had two players in the top 20: Jordan & Hakeem. And the two years Hakeem had a chance to compete with MJ he skipped town to play baseball. The NBA also literally made the 3-point line shorter to match WNBA distances. Are we seriously ignoring all this? :lol

90s ball = weakest era of all time

The 50s if you consider it was the weakest era.

Then the 60s.
Followed by the 70s.

Then the 90s.

The 80s and 2010's was hardest era to win championships in.

[Baller789]

The 50s if you consider it was the weakest era.

Than the 60s.
Followed by the 70s.

Then the 90s.

The 80s and 2010's was hardest era to win championships in.

That doesnt really compute.

For example if you were a team outside the Bulls,

Was it really easier to win a championship in the 90s?

[8Ball]

The 90s was like the 60s in terms of competition, you had just 1 stacked team and no one else for an entire decade.

So imagine a healthy Bron and AD against Miami heat level teams for 8 years.

[Baller789]

The 90s bulls was like the 60s, you had just 1 stacked team and no one else for an entire decade.

I was asking if you werent with the Bulls, was it easier or harder for you to win the championship in that decade?

[8Ball]

We are talking about weak eras as per the thread discussion.

90s applies since there was 1 good team only.

[Baller789]

We are talking about weak eras as per the thread discussion.

90s applies since there was 1 good team only.

I know. But you are only talking from the Bulls perspective. What about the other 95% of the league?
Was it easier or harder for them?

[TheMan]

It's ironic but MJ's pure dominance is being used against him. Happens with Bill Russell too, lots of fans think Russell's competition wasn't all that because he thoroughly dominated his era. 20 something years later, fans with an agenda are using the same arguments vs MJ. Perhaps if he lost a couple of times and Barkley, Malone and Stockton had their titles, MJ's competition wouldn't be used against him, but then again they would use the fact he lost in the Finals to knock him down a peg :lol

Imagine if LeBron thoroughly dominated his era, say 8/10, twenty years from now, kids would be trashing LeBron's competition and calling him overrated :lol

[Baller789]

It's ironic but MJ's pure dominance is being used against him. Happens with Bill Russell too, lots of fans think Russell's competition wasn't all that because he thoroughly dominated his era. 20 something years later, fans with an agenda are using the same arguments vs MJ. Perhaps if he lost a couple of times and Barkley, Malone and Stockton had their titles, MJ's competition wouldn't be used against him, but then again they would use the fact he lost in the Finals to knock him down a peg :lol

Imagine if LeBron thoroughly dominated his era, say 8/10, twenty years from now, kids would be trashing LeBron's competition and calling him overrated :lol

True. Its like they want to have their cake and eat it too.

A pretty dishonest take tbh.

[TheMan]

True. Its like they want to have their cake and eat it too.

A pretty dishonest take tbh.

Exactly, it's hypocritical, they think making the Finals and losing is an achievement for LBJ but aren't as generous for Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Karl Malone, John Stockton etc...that double standard.

[Spurs m8]

MJ literally kept guys out of the top 20, with sheer 90s dominance...

Meanwhile LeBarry hands out countless fmvps and finals wins to others and this is somehow used as a positive case for him.

:roll::roll::roll:

[97 bulls]

It's ironic but MJ's pure dominance is being used against him. Happens with Bill Russell too, lots of fans think Russell's competition wasn't all that because he thoroughly dominated his era. 20 something years later, fans with an agenda are using the same arguments vs MJ. Perhaps if he lost a couple of times and Barkley, Malone and Stockton had their titles, MJ's competition wouldn't be used against him, but then again they would use the fact he lost in the Finals to knock him down a peg :lol

Imagine if LeBron thoroughly dominated his era, say 8/10, twenty years from now, kids would be trashing LeBron's competition and calling him overrated :lol

That's always been my argument. The logic from some of these posters is that if Jordan had lost 2 of his Championships, he would be regarded higher. Which is crazy logic.

[TheMan]

That's always been my argument. The logic from some of these posters is that if Jordan had lost 2 of his Championships, he would be regarded higher. Which is crazy logic.

Lol, yup...but that's a minority though. Most NBA fans, hard-core and casuals don't hold that against MJ, in fact, it's one of the main reasons he's still GOAT and LeBron losing so many times in the Finals is perhaps the biggest reason he's not consensus GOAT (that and his team hopping) :lol

[2much_knowledge]

This is factual and logical slaughler. Nasty. Just wait till shooter or john start a new thread and go there cause yall just got manhandled here.


Jeezzz

[2much_knowledge]

The 50s if you consider it was the weakest era.

Then the 60s.
Followed by the 70s.

Then the 90s.

The 80s and 2010's was hardest era to win championships in.

Whats so hard about joining other team captains to ring chase together?? 2010s? Pffff lol

[TheGoatest]

:oldlol: jordon's "dominance" in the 1993-94 season where he played 0 games prevented his perennial "mighty" competition of Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Miller, Payton, Kemp etc. from winning a championship in a season where a team whose 2nd leading scorer in the playoffs averaged 13.8 points on .376 shooting won a championship. Um, okay...
jordon extremist alts are always good for some laughs. :roll:

[Baller789]

:oldlol: jordon's "dominance" in the 1993-94 season where he played 0 games prevented his perennial "mighty" competition of Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Miller, Payton, Kemp etc. from winning a championship in a season where a team whose 2nd leading scorer in the playoffs averaged 13.8 points on .376 shooting won a championship. Um, okay...
jordon extremist alts are always good for some laughs. :roll:

Cue in the troll.

[2much_knowledge]

Whats so hard about joining other team captains to ring chase together?? 2010s? Pffff lol

Girls???

[FilmyCogTurner]

Exactly, it's hypocritical, they think making the Finals and losing is an achievement for LBJ but aren't as generous for Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Karl Malone, John Stockton etc...that double standard.

Damn, well put...

[Legend248]

Seriously, why do you even post? Do you have a shitty life you need to post something like this so people talk to you? Like seriously, you need to get checked by a dr. I really dont know what to say....

[TheGoatest]

The 50s if you consider it was the weakest era.

Then the 60s.
Followed by the 70s.

Then the 90s.

The 80s and 2010's was hardest era to win championships in.

The 00s were more competitive than the 90s as well.

The 70s and decades prior are difficult to compare to modern basketball, but as far as modern basketball goes, these are the decades in terms of difficulty:

1. 2010s
2. 1980s
3. 2000s
4. 1990s

The 2020s so far also appear to be comfortably ahead of the 90s.

[Baller789]

The 00s were more competitive than the 90s as well.

The 70s and decades prior are difficult to compare to modern basketball, but as far as modern basketball goes, these are the decades in terms of difficulty:

1. 2010s
2. 1980s
3. 2000s
4. 1990s

The 2020s so far also appear to be comfortably ahead of the 90s.

Do you have any purpose in this forum other than trolling?

Serious question.

[Johnny32]

I didn't say Jabaar had 20. I said he was the all time leader in the categories mentioned. Which mean he's the only person to have achieved both. That isn't enough to warrant him being the consensus GOAT. That's why you trolls aren't making multiple threads daily trying to knock Jabaar off the pirch. You're trying to knock Jordan off because he's considered the consensus GOAT.

What part of your dumbass was wrong about everything including no one having kareem as the goat are you not comprehending?

[97 bulls]

What part of your dumbass was wrong about everything including no one having kareem as the goat are you not comprehending?

Lol. I never said no one. I even clarified and stated CONSENSUS. Jabaar was never considered the consensus GOAT. And all the accumulation totals James has garnered, won't be enough to make him be considered the CONSENSUS GOAT.

[LeGoat4Life]

90’s is when real men were playing basketball

Now it’s Lecuck