So wait... Lebron did the "decision" because the East was too tough?

[3ba11]

The horrific East was too tough?

The worst conference in history that Iverson, Dwight, Kidd and Lebron already won with 1-star teams?

lol

Lebron simply stacked the deck to manufacture a resume because his own skills couldn't do it

Specifically, he's a spotty-shooting, frontcourt ball-dominator (the worst kind of ball-dominance) with bad teammate fits & development, aka teammates become spot-up shooter - he simply lacks the chemistry and brand of ball to develop rosters and win organically, so he must be a talent-based winner (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy)

[FilmyCogTurner]

4/10 thread.

[3ba11]

4/10 thread.


Inferior brand of ball causes favored talent to underacheive

So when Lebron's preseason favorites (talent favorite) falls to underdog or loser, we know it's due to bad brand of ball.

So bad brand caused his preseason favorites to fall to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16') except the Ray Allen miracle.. And also 2021 (lost as preseason favorite)

Bad brand (big man ball-dominance that makes everyone a spot-up shooter) prevents the teammate development and fits needed for organic winning, so he must be a talent-based winner (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).

[StrongLurk]

OP, how do you want to celebrate hitting 10,000 posts soon on this ALT account of yours (over 100,000 posts total for other accounts you've had on ISH)? I'm guessing you'll celebrate by just spamming more Lebron stuff...but maybe we can get you focused on something else?

[3ba11]

OP, how do you want to celebrate hitting 10,000 posts soon on this ALT account of yours (over 100,000 posts total for other accounts you've had on ISH)? I'm guessing you'll celebrate by just spamming more Lebron stuff...but maybe we can get you focused on something else?


Like what?

Every cable sports show is talking about Lebron's latest tweet about how he cares about winning

The NBA has become the Lebron Fraud Show

We watched him stack the deck on national television with the "decision"

The "decision" was infact hypnosis.. Everyone was hypnotized into forgetting the first 8 years of his career before the "decision"

[RRR3]

Like what?

Every cable sports show is talking about Lebron's latest tweet about how he cares about winning

The NBA has become the Lebron Fraud Show

We watched him stack the deck on national television with the "decision"

The "decision" was infact hypnosis.. Everyone was hypnotized into forgetting the first 8 years of his career before the "decision"
Dude literally can’t even fathom talking about another subject :roll: :roll: :roll:

Eats, sleeps and breathes LeBron. Pathetic.

[ShawkFactory]

Like what?

Every cable sports show is talking about Lebron's latest tweet about how he cares about winning

The NBA has become the Lebron Fraud Show

We watched him stack the deck on national television with the "decision"

The "decision" was infact hypnosis.. Everyone was hypnotized into forgetting the first 8 years of his career before the "decision"

Lots of stuff.

[RRR3]

Lots of stuff.
He has one subject he can’t talk about anything else.

[John8204]

Is it just me or do threads like this come off as racist?

The guy gave Cleveland 11 seasons
9 Seasons in the playoffs
1 Championship
5 finals appearances.

Most small market teams get what 1-3 finals appearances during their entire franchise

[Axe]

Is it just me or do threads like this come off as racist?

The guy gave Cleveland 11 seasons
9 Seasons in the playoffs
1 Championship
5 finals appearances.

Most small market teams get what 1-3 finals appearances during their entire franchise
Kong seems to have one of the worst haters itb.

[outofstomach]

Dude literally can’t even fathom talking about another subject :roll: :roll: :roll:

Eats, sleeps and breathes LeBron. Pathetic.

:lol

[Full Court]

It's the truth. He got to the finals so many times because the East sucked. When he saw the tide turning, he bailed over to the Weak West. The East is a shark tank now.

Of course, even in the Weak West, he still couldn't even make the playoffs this year. :lol

With a superteam no less.

[warriorfan]

The eastern conference was historically weak (look it up) during that era. That’s what makes the decision in 2011 so ridiculous. The entire conference was in a one star format, the Celtics were already in advanced age. The conference was wide open for the taking with no collusion needed. Yet LeBron still teamed up with the 2nd and 4th best PER not only in the league, but both from the same historically weak conference as well. So LeBron didn’t not only unfairly stack the deck with the decision, he also dramatically weakened his already historically weak eastern conference as well. Only to get outscored by Jason Terry in the NBA finals despite LeBron playing 67 more minutes than Terry.

[ShawkFactory]

The eastern conference was historically weak (look it up) during that era. That’s what makes the decision in 2011 so ridiculous. The entire conference was in a one star format, the Celtics were already in advanced age. The conference was wide open for the taking with no collusion needed. Yet LeBron still teamed up with the 2nd and 4th best PER not only in the league, but both from the same historically weak conference as well. So LeBron didn’t not only unfairly stack the deck with the decision, he also dramatically weakened his already historically weak eastern conference as well. Only to get outscored by Jason Terry in the NBA finals despite LeBron playing 67 more minutes than Terry.

Didn't the east have a better record against the West between 09 and 10?

Narratives are fun and all..but yea.

[warriorfan]

Didn't the east have a better record against the West between 09 and 10?

Narratives are fun and all..but yea.

During LeBron’s run in the eastern conference, it was the weaker of the two conferences.

True or false?


https://i.postimg.cc/RhQTSc4c/649-EB91-D-E8-C7-4542-A47-D-3-A5-F2-F62910-B.png

[ShawkFactory]

During LeBron’s run in the eastern conference, it was the weaker of the two conferences.

True or false?


https://i.postimg.cc/RhQTSc4c/649-EB91-D-E8-C7-4542-A47-D-3-A5-F2-F62910-B.png

What do 2004 and 2005 or 2017 and 2018 or whatever have to do with a decision made in 2010? The 2009 and 2010 Cavs...probably get through the East in a lot of those years.

Your assertion is that it's ridiculous he did what he did in 2010 and then post a graphic that includes shit that happened 5 years before or 10 years after? No thanks.

[warriorfan]

What do 2004 and 2005 or 2017 and 2018 or whatever have to do with a decision made in 2010? The 2009 and 2010 Cavs...probably get through the East in a lot of those years.

Your assertion is that it's ridiculous he did what he did in 2010 and then post a graphic that includes shit that happened 5 years before or 10 years after? No thanks.

I was looking at his entire run in the eastern conference rather than trying to cherry pick a few years.

What teams in the East were juggernauts that LeBron couldn’t handle if he stayed in Cleveland in 2011?

[Hey Yo]

The eastern conference was historically weak (look it up) during that era. That’s what makes the decision in 2011 so ridiculous. The entire conference was in a one star format, the Celtics were already in advanced age. The conference was wide open for the taking with no collusion needed. Yet LeBron still teamed up with the 2nd and 4th best PER not only in the league, but both from the same historically weak conference as well. So LeBron didn’t not only unfairly stack the deck with the decision, he also dramatically weakened his already historically weak eastern conference as well. Only to get outscored by Jason Terry in the NBA finals despite LeBron playing 67 more minutes than Terry.

"Help me KD wan Kenobi.... you're my only hope"


LOL @ Steph

[ShawkFactory]

I was looking at his entire run in the eastern conference rather than trying to cherry pick a few years.

What teams in the East were juggernauts that LeBron couldn’t handle if he stayed in Cleveland in 2011?

Looking at 2 years leading up to a decision isn't cherry picking. That's kind of the appropriate thing to do when analyzing one...

[warriorfan]

Looking at 2 years leading up to a decision isn't cherry picking. That's kind of the appropriate thing to do when analyzing one...

What eastern conference team was too much of a juggernaut for LeBron to ever overcome in 2011 if he stayed with Cleveland?

[ShawkFactory]

What eastern conference team was too much of a juggernaut for LeBron to ever overcome in 2011 if he stayed with Cleveland?

What does that matter? I already said that the 09 and 10 Cavs likely make it through the east a lot of those years.

Again...analyzing decisions with hindsight is lame. That's not how it works.

[Full Court]

Man....

Warriorfan over here ethering the Bronies again.

:roll:

And they've got nothing.

[John8204]

What eastern conference team was too much of a juggernaut for LeBron to ever overcome in 2011 if he stayed with Cleveland?

2011/2012 seasons we had...

Clippers - Paul/Griffin
Lakers - Nash/Howard/Bryant/Artest/Gasol
Spurs - Parker/Manu/Duncan/Leonard
Thunder - Durant/Harden/Westbrook
Dallas - Dirk/Kidd/Terry

Is just making the finals good enough?

[ShawkFactory]

Man....

Warriorfan over here ethering the Bronies again.

:roll:

And they've got nothing.

:whatever:

[warriorfan]

2011/2012 seasons we had...

Clippers - Paul/Griffin
Lakers - Nash/Howard/Bryant/Artest/Gasol
Spurs - Parker/Manu/Duncan/Leonard
Thunder - Durant/Harden/Westbrook
Dallas - Dirk/Kidd/Terry

Is just making the finals good enough?

It is for LeBron Stans :lol


Man....

Warriorfan over here ethering the Bronies again.

:roll:

And they've got nothing.

They make it too easy. They aren’t a match for The Big Ticket of ish.

[GrayGoat]

Ish warriorfans greatest accomplishment. That and downing 10 adderall pills and a handle of whiskey in one sitting

[ClipperRevival]

Ish warriorfans greatest accomplishment. That and downing 10 adderall pills and a handle of whiskey in one sitting

Fuming...

:yaohappy:

[GrayGoat]

Fuming...

:yaohappy:

Hi warriorfan

[SATAN]

OP exposed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qymWRfNsksA

[Full Court]

Ish warriorfans greatest accomplishment. That and downing 10 adderall pills and a handle of whiskey in one sitting

Sounds like some jealousy to me. :lol

[Round Mound]

OP exposed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qymWRfNsksA

To put a video of someone with physical birth problems is cruel. Erase that video.

[3ba11]

What does that matter? I already said that the 09 and 10 Cavs likely make it through the east a lot of those years.

Again...analyzing decisions with hindsight is lame. That's not how it works.


An organic, 1-star ring was up for grabs in 2011, and Dirk grabbed it (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bWTvCZjQx3c&t=01h37m09s)

It's unfortunate because Lebron's Cavs would've been the league favorite for the 3rd year running with the long-standing chemistry and reputed defense needed to beat Dallas

[kawhileonard2]

The horrific East was too tough?

The worst conference in history that Iverson, Dwight, Kidd and Lebron already won with 1-star teams?

lol

Lebron simply stacked the deck to manufacture a resume because his own skills couldn't do it

Specifically, he's a spotty-shooting, frontcourt ball-dominator (the worst kind of ball-dominance) with bad teammate fits & development, aka teammates become spot-up shooter - he simply lacks the chemistry and brand of ball to develop rosters and win organically, so he must be a talent-based winner (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy)

Seems that way.

[Baller789]

Looks like the Bran fam having trouble answering the East vs West question.

[Spuddywebby]

Only to get outscored by Jason Terry in the NBA finals despite LeBron playing 67 more minutes than Terry.

This can’t be real.

[ShawkFactory]

An organic, 1-star ring was up for grabs in 2011, and Dirk grabbed it (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bWTvCZjQx3c&t=01h37m09s)

It's unfortunate because Lebron's Cavs would've been the league favorite for the 3rd year running with the long-standing chemistry and reputed defense needed to beat Dallas

Again...because something happened does not mean it was known that it was going to happen. Even ignoring the Heat for a minute: The Lakers were -370 to win the series against the Mavs. The Celtics would have been favored as well. Probably the Bulls too if they got past the Celtics.

The reason Dirk's ring is regarded so highly is because it really wasn't up for grabs. The stars happened to align.

[3ba11]

Again...because something happened does not mean it was known that it was going to happen. Even ignoring the Heat for a minute: The Lakers were -370 to win the series against the Mavs. The Celtics would have been favored as well. Probably the Bulls too if they got past the Celtics.

The reason Dirk's ring is regarded so highly is because it really wasn't up for grabs. The stars happened to align.


Using your bolded words above, Lebron's Cavs would've faced a massive underdog and 1-star team in the 2011 Finals.

So a 1-star ring was up for grabs - Dirk grabbed it as an underdog, while Lebron's Cavs would've grabbed it as the league favorite for a 3rd year running

Lebron could've easily outplayed Dirk and won the series - and he would've been conformable in Cleveland, whereas he was uncomfortable that first year in Miami under the bright lights

[ShawkFactory]

Using your bolded words above, Lebron's Cavs would've faced a massive underdog and 1-star team in the 2011 Finals.

So a 1-star ring was up for grabs - Dirk grabbed it as an underdog, while Lebron's Cavs would've grabbed it as the league favorite for a 3rd year running

Lebron could've easily outplayed Dirk and won the series - and he would've been conformable in Cleveland, whereas he was uncomfortable that first year in Miami under the bright lights

Maybe they do win. That's assuming they get past the Celtics, who were every bit as good as they were in 2010. Or the Bulls, who people forgot about because of the Heat and Rose's injury but were outstanding that year. And in this parallel universe who knows if the Lakers shit the bed like they did. Maybe they get past the Mavs.

There are a lot of factors, including the reasons Lebron left Cleveland in the first place.

[3ba11]

Maybe they do win. That's assuming they get past the Celtics, who were every bit as good as they were in 2010. Or the Bulls, who people forgot about because of the Heat and Rose's injury but were outstanding that year. And in this parallel universe who knows if the Lakers shit the bed like they did. Maybe they get past the Mavs.

There are a lot of factors, including the reasons Lebron left Cleveland in the first place.


Don't blatantly lie about those Celtics

The Cavs' were the league favorite and massively-favored over the Celtics - a far better team

KG was a 14/7 bum post-injury and the Celtics were an old 50-win team, while the Cavs added Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite and were the league favorite for the 2nd straight year.

It's exactly like Giannis in 2019 and 2020.. Giannis had no excuse for losing as the favorite those years and neither did Lebron in 09' or 10'.

Those Cavs had better defenses and far more scoring options than the 1st three-peat Bulls.

So you're just hypnotized by the lies on cable tv - the Cavs were the league favorite and the best team in the league all year!!!

It's sad that I'm one of the only people that can look at the historical record and state what actually happened.

Lebron had to average 21 on 34% for the last 3 games to lose a 2-1 lead in that series as a massive favorite.. (he averaged 34 on 53% to get the 2-1 lead before the collapse)

So you're just disillusioned - the CAVS were the heavy favorite in that series

[ShawkFactory]

Don't blatantly lie about those Celtics


You’re right, I did lie. The 2011 Celtics were better than in 2010. A team that was a play or two away from a title.

My bad.