Draymond Green not Impressed with 98 or 96 Bulls

[8Ball]

"I’m watching the 98 Bulls vs Utah in the Finals… I can’t help but notice our 2017 team would’ve beaten these Bulls by a dub and these Jazz by 40 if they’re going to play these brands of basketball. And that’s why it’s dumb to compare Era’s"

"96 Bulls. 98 Bulls. I STAND ON IT!"

The 2017 Warriors would not even lose 1 game against either team.

High IQ NBA player saying what many of us have been saying for years.

[Johnny32]

combined rosters they still lose lol.

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mj
pippen
malone
rodman

[TheGoatest]

I’m watching the 98 Bulls vs Utah in the Finals… I can’t help but notice our 2017 team would’ve beaten these Bulls by a dub and these Jazz by 40 if they’re going to play these brands of basketball. And that’s why it’s dumb to compare Era’s

If the 90s Bulls would average 12 3 point attempts per game like they did in 1997-98 in a time where the average team averages 35 3 point attempts per game, then the Warriors aren't the only team they would lose to.

[Baller789]

So was Dray impressed by the 97 Bulls?

[Zeppelin]

Bench riding scrub on any other team feeling himself because Steph drags his clumsy ass to wins.

[TheMan]

Bench riding scrub on any other team feeling himself because Steph drags his clumsy ass to wins.

Pretty much...and the real difference maker in that 17 team is KD

[8Ball]

Bench riding scrub on any other team feeling himself because Steph drags his clumsy ass to wins.

Draymond Green:

4× NBA All-Star (2016–2018, 2022)
All-NBA Second Team (2016)
All-NBA Third Team (2017)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2017)
4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2015–2017, 2021)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2018, 2019, 2022)

[8Ball]

Pretty much...and the real difference maker in that 17 team is KD

2016 team won 73 games, removed Harrison Barnes and added KD.

2017 Warriors the most stacked team of all time.

[TheMan]

combined rosters they still lose lol.

stockton
mj
pippen
malone
rodman

Are your takes always so retarded? If the game is played by 90s rules, the Bulls would manhandle Golden State. Today's rules cater to a soft no touch game where the offense is allowed to do what it wants with very little resistance. A little dude like Steph would get bodied by bigger guards, something that doesn't happen today. You remember how Matthew Dellavedova was allowed to play physical on Curry in 2015 and how he limited Curry that series? Now imagine that being the norm instead of the outlier, Harper would have Curry running home to his dad Dell...

[John8204]

Stockton vs Green is a fascinating matchup on many levels.

[GOBB]

What’s up with these glue guys, role players mouthing off lately? Wild. Dray would be frustrated getting called for all them illegal screens he sets. “But but but on my era they don’t call them on me.”.

[3ba11]

Draymond Green:

4× NBA All-Star (2016–2018, 2022)
All-NBA Second Team (2016)
All-NBA Third Team (2017)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2017)
4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2015–2017, 2021)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2018, 2019, 2022)


No one would know who he was if he hadn't been lucky by landing in a dynasty system and chemistry that he GREW UP IN

He's literally nothing without it..

Those are fake accolades that were given due to winning spotlight and successful system... he's a NOBODY on a team like the Wizards.. no one would know who he was..

it's like Harvey Grant - Horace's brother who produced more but no one heard of him because he didn't land in a dynasty system like Horace did

Carry on being dumb though and believing cable tv rofl

[ShawkFactory]

No one would know who he was if he hadn't been lucky by landing in a dynasty system and chemistry that he GREW UP IN

He's literally nothing without it..

Those are fake accolades that were given due to winning spotlight and successful system... he's a NOBODY on a team like the Wizards.. no one would know who he was..

it's like Harvey Grant - Horace's brother who produced more but no one heard of him because he didn't land in a dynasty system like Horace did

Carry on being dumb though and believing cable tv rofl

Horace was without a doubt a better basketball player.

[3ba11]

Horace was without a doubt a better basketball player.


No... He wasn't... Horace couldn't create his own shot and Harvey could - so they were different kinds of players and it depended what a team needed (scoring vs rebounding)

Neither were world-beaters, so it depended what a team needed

Harvey would've challenged Pippen for 2nd option and made all-star teams on the Bulls... There's a chance that he's the 2nd scoring option over Pippen sometimes.

Horace was just a sub-par rebounder and no one would know who he was (no accolades) without the winning spotlight and system

[TheGoatest]

LMAO @ Harvey Grant "producing more" than Horace Grant. He scored more, whereas Horace did literally everything else better. Reminds me of something...

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

[3ba11]

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg


That chart shows that Pippen was carried more than any sidekick ever because no tandem in history has such a big scoring gap - only MJ was nearly doubling his sidekick's scoring - only MJ played without a go-to player for his whole career and therefore faced maximum defensive attention in every series (carried scoring load)

The assists and steals are equal, except Jordan actually averaged more assists than Pippen for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career.. Jordan also got more DPOY votes every year.. Pippen was a system player - a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle.






LMAO @ Harvey Grant "producing more" than Horace Grant





Horace averaged 11/8 for his career - he was an ordinary player.

Horace couldn't create his own shot and Harvey could - so they were different kinds of players and it depended what a team needed (scoring vs rebounding)

Neither were world-beaters, so it depended what a team needed

Harvey would've challenged Pippen for 2nd option and made all-star teams on the Bulls... There's a chance that he's the 2nd scoring option over Pippen sometimes.

Horace was just a sub-par rebounder and no one would know who he was (no accolades) without the winning spotlight and system

[ShawkFactory]

No... He wasn't... Horace couldn't create his own shot and Harvey could - so they were different kinds of players and it depended what a team needed (scoring vs rebounding)

Neither were world-beaters, so it depended what a team needed

Harvey would've challenged Pippen for 2nd option and made all-star teams on the Bulls... There's a chance that he's the 2nd scoring option over Pippen sometimes.

Horace was just a sub-par rebounder and no one would know who he was (no accolades) without the winning spotlight and system

Lol yes he absolutely was. Scoring 18 points or whatever on a 20 win team is something that a LOT of NBA players could/can do. Horace was stronger in every way outside of ball-stopping offense. Great defense, rebounding, finishing, and passing. He was better than his brother at all of those things and because of that would be taken first by ANY team.

[Xiao Yao You]

for some reason Horace was always on winning teams and his brother put up empty stats on bad teams. Horace all day any day!

[3ba11]

Lol yes he absolutely was. Scoring 18 points or whatever on a 20 win team is something that a LOT of NBA players could/can do.





But not Horace... Horace would've averaged 11/8 on that 20-win team

Otoh, Harvey would've challenged Pippen for 2nd option on the Bulls..

Again, the only reason people know about Horace but not Harvey is because Horace played with MJ

[TheGoatest]

:facepalm This dude is so obsessed with insulting jordon's great teammates and making them look bad that he said that Harvey Grant was better than Horace Grant then insulted Horace Grant's career averages of 11.2 and 8.1 while the "superior" Harvey Grant has career averages of 9.9 and 4.4. All this while Horace played 1165 games from age 22 to 38 whereas Harvey played 783 games from age 23 to 33.

[ShawkFactory]

But not Horace... Horace would've averaged 11/8 on that 20-win team

Otoh, Harvey would've challenged Pippen for 2nd option on the Bulls..

Again, the only reason people know about Horace but not Harvey is because Horace played with MJ

Lol no. He went down to like 25 minutes and 10ppg once he went to an even decent team. On a contending team you have to be able to do more than ball-stopping offense at 18ppg to be a second option. But you know that.

On a team like the Bulls he might not even get minutes.

[Xiao Yao You]

Lol no. He went down to like 25 minutes and 10ppg once he went to an even decent team. On a contending team you have to be able to do more than ball-stopping offense at 18ppg to be a second option. But you know that.

On a team like the Bulls he might not even get minutes.

He would have been traded. They would have rolled with Oakley

[3ba11]

Lol no. He went down to like 25 minutes and 10ppg once he went to an even decent team. On a contending team you have to be able to do more than ball-stopping offense at 18ppg to be a second option. But you know that.

On a team like the Bulls he might not even get minutes.


Who averaged more outside the triangle?

I rest my case

Pippen was a system player that was lucky to GROW UP in dynasty system and chemistry - he was nothing outside of this bosum...

many other system players can only DREAM of having a dynasty system make them look good like Wiggins and Pippen (although Wiggins is far superior to Pippen outside the triangle - only Pippen was a true system player, aka nothing without it)

[Hey Yo]

Kevin Durant
@KDTrey5

I can’t tell you what the results would be, but I do know that steve kerr would’ve demanded that we put steve kerr in as many pick and rolls as possible.

https://twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/1551536318664118273

[ShawkFactory]

Who averaged more outside the triangle?

I rest my case

Pippen was a system player that was lucky to GROW UP in dynasty system and chemistry - he was nothing outside of this bosum...

many other system players can only DREAM of having a dynasty system make them look good like Wiggins and Pippen (although Wiggins is far superior to Pippen outside the triangle - only Pippen was a true system player, aka nothing without it)

What does any of this have to do with anything? :lol

Harvey Grant was a ball-stopper offensively and had very few other strengths or even redeeming qualities as a player. That's why he spent so much time on one of the worst teams in the league and why his minutes and numbers decreased so significantly when he joined a playoff team. He would be lucky to get consistent minutes on a title-contending team. Particularly one like the Bulls who thrived with their system and accountability.

[8Ball]

No one would know who he was if he hadn't been lucky by landing in a dynasty system and chemistry that he GREW UP IN

He's literally nothing without it..

Those are fake accolades that were given due to winning spotlight and successful system... he's a NOBODY on a team like the Wizards.. no one would know who he was..

it's like Harvey Grant - Horace's brother who produced more but no one heard of him because he didn't land in a dynasty system like Horace did

Carry on being dumb though and believing cable tv rofl

Your entire opinion is discounted since you said Curry was the most overrated player of all time:


He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.



The most overrated player of all time won 73 games in 2016 and Draymond was their 3rd best player in 2016. Therefore your opinion of Draymond is completely wrong.

[999Guy]

Your entire opinion is discounted since you said Curry was the most overrated player of all time:





The most overrated player of all time won 73 games in 2016 and Draymond was their 3rd best player in 2016. Therefore your opinion of Draymond is completely wrong.

You honestly believe Klay Thompson could help a basketball team more than Draymond? Absolute peak Draymond no less?

You would bet your life on that?

[999Guy]

Anybody that isn’t stupid or nostalgic knows what he said is true.

17 Warriors are best, in the most dominant way ever, at the best way to ever play organized basketball on both ends.

The 96 Bulls were the best, in the most dominant way up to that point, at the best style up to that point. But that style is at least 3 evolutionary phases old, and that late 90’s league was watered down dick, in a less global and developed sport and world.

Once you start talking about pre-89 90 ish NBA, you start talking about not even diluted, just low talent volume eras of shit play styles and organization.

You would have to be the most hopeful dumbass to think the 17 Warriors would have a problem with any team post-3-point line and pre 3-point strategy.

The 95 Rockets, Suns, and Magic would be fine in any era.

The ****ing 83 Sixers? The 86 or 87 anybodies? They’re worse at the game, fundamentally. They don’t have as good of players.

I really believe Kawhi Leonard had more natural game breaking ability on both ends than Bird or Magic by way of being able to do prime Jordan offensive volume efficiently, and really play all-defensive level defense for any position standards. And Kawhi is just another guy in the era. It’s a whole different level of competition and talent.

[3ba11]

Durant can be locked down - we've seen it

The problem is that he didn't face a good defender or All-NBA defender in the 17' Finals (Lebron wasn't all-defense in his 30's)

Otoh, the Bulls had many all-defenders so they would lock up Durant worse than Boston did this year

People don't realize that defense can still win it for the Bulls - both teams had 115 ortg but can the Warriors achieve that against the Bulls? No way - whereas the Bulls could still get 115 ortg

[Spurs m8]

Coming from the guy that called KD from the parking lot in tears and begged him for help....PATHETIC

And is a scrub without all time great shooters by his side

The sooner this donkey retires, the better....

Such a classless fvckhead with an overinflated sense of worth

[8Ball]

Coming from the guy that called KD from the parking lot in tears and begged him for help....PATHETIC

And is a scrub without all time great shooters by his side

The sooner this donkey retires, the better....

Such a classless fvckhead with an overinflated sense of worth

This is why nobody on this forum takes you seriously.

You post with mindless hate.

Reflection of your personal life.

[8Ball]

Durant can be locked down - we've seen it

The problem is that he didn't face a good defender or All-NBA defender in the 17' Finals (Lebron wasn't all-defense in his 30's)

Otoh, the Bulls had many all-defenders so they would lock up Durant worse than Boston did this year

People don't realize that defense can still win it for the Bulls - both teams had 115 ortg but can the Warriors achieve that against the Bulls? No way - whereas the Bulls could still get 115 ortg

Durant plays Jordan ball.

That's why you hailed the 2021 Nets with Harden kyrie and durant the greatest team ever.

Because you believed more iso solo scoring was superior.

That theory flopped.

[3ba11]

Durant plays Jordan ball.

That's why you hailed the 2021 Nets with Harden kyrie and durant the greatest team ever.

Because you believed more iso solo scoring was superior.

That theory flopped.


Jordan-ball = goat offenses with no offensive help

No one is close to this caliber

The Bulls had 115 ortg with goat margins above league average - and Jordan was the only go-to player or elite producer!!!

[kawhileonard2]

He wasn't impressed by the 2019 Raptors either.

[Bawkish]

Of course he would choose his own team, but then he also emphasized that it's DUMB to compare teams from different era. That's fair assessment

[8Ball]

Jordan-ball = goat offenses with no offensive help

No one is close to this caliber

The Bulls had 115 ortg with goat margins above league average - and Jordan was the only go-to player or elite producer!!!

Jordan had all-nba + all-defence dominant player with him every single time.

2nd run had another all defensive first team and multiple DPOY winner still in his near prime.

Most stacked team ever.