Celtics offered Jaylen and change for KD. He seems displeased.

[Kblaze8855]

“The Celtics offered Brown, Derrick White and a draft pick to the Nets for Durant, sources said. The proposal was rejected, and Brooklyn has asked Boston — in any proposal — to include Brown, Defensive Player of the Year Marcus Smart, draft picks and potentially one more player”


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[Kblaze8855]

As an agent of chaos Id like Jaylen to publicly demand a trade if the Nets deal falls through.

[AirBonner]

As an agent of chaos Id like Jaylen to publicly demand a trade if the Nets deal falls through.

That’s fine. Most of the players in the league will set a new precedent and demand a trade in that case. Or they might get blackballed as being difficult to deal with a la Kyrie

[FultzNationRISE]

What is the source of this report?

It shocks me the Celtics would volunteer specific players in a case like this, where chemistry is such a big part of their success, rather than tell Brooklyn “We’re interested in Durant, what do you want for him?” and then accept or reject an offer.

It’s also such a lowball offer as not to even seem realistic.

Of course it’s possible the C’s did make it, but I also wouldnt be surprised if the report is false.

[Kblaze8855]

When Kyrie isn’t signed after this season I’ll believe he’d blackballed. Seems unlikely unless he’s back to his “I might just retire” shit.

Im sure times like this when almost the entire league has to wonder if they need to pull their kids outta school and pack to move across the country the idea of being loyal to an employer who sees you as an asset to meet their needs not a human dies a little more.

It is a business. For everyone. That had never been clearer. Get what you need for you. Gm. Player. Whoever. Look out for yourself.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Steven's needs to be careful about passing that guy off. Him and Tatum are about as Go9d of a core as you're going to get. Plenty of time to smooth things over but you only trade that guy if another team comes to you with a great proposal. Don't cold call get rejected and then have him hear about it and get ticked off. He's not perfect but he's got most of the components of a player that will have a great career.

KD is the better player of course but he's a lot older and is a bit lacking as a competitor.

[Kblaze8855]

What is the source of this report?

It shocks me the Celtics would volunteer specific players in a case like this, where chemistry is such a big part of their success, rather than tell Brooklyn “We’re interested in Durant, what do you want for him?” and then accept or reject an offer.

It’s also such a lowball offer as not to even seem realistic.

Of course it’s possible the C’s did make it, but I also wouldnt be surprised if the report is false.


I should have posted the whole thing. It’s Shams. One of the few people who we know actually gets all this shit from true insiders.

He and Woj have so much inside information the nba runs stings giving teams specific documents to see if they get the details reported. That’s how Dumars got caught by the league handing out internal memos when Woj and Shams still worked together.

[FultzNationRISE]

I should have posted the whole thing. It’s Shams. One of the few people who we know actually gets all this shit from true insiders.

He and Woj have so much inside information the nba runs stings giving teams specific documents to see if they get the details reported. That’s how Dumars got caught by the league handing out internal memos when Woj and Shams still worked together.

Yeah I agree Shams is pretty credible.

Celtics are cold af for this :oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

When Kyrie isn’t signed after this season I’ll believe he’d blackballed. Seems unlikely unless he’s back to his “I might just retire” shit.

Im sure times like this when almost the entire league has to wonder if they need to pull their kids outta school and pack to move across the country the idea of being loyal to an employer who sees you as an asset to meet their needs not a human dies a little more.

It is a business. For everyone. That had never been clearer. Get what you need for you. Gm. Player. Whoever. Look out for yourself.
Irving won't get blackballed but he might get lowballed. By talent and performance he is max money for max years. But the Nets inability to get a good trade says that most teams don't want to deal with his issues at that salary. Which makes sense, I wouldn't either. He's unreliable with not just injuries but inexcusable absences. He left the team for two weeks without telling anyone because of his sister birthday. You have to draw the line somewhere and that's the kind of crap you don't put up with.

[RRR3]

The Nets are retarded for rejecting that trade. Durant is 34 and always injured you’re not getting better than that deal

[PeroAntic]

The Nets are retarded for rejecting that trade. Durant is 34 and always injured you’re not getting better than that deal

Agreed. If Durant wants out, they should have taken that deal.

[FultzNationRISE]

The Nets are retarded for rejecting that trade. Durant is 34 and always injured you’re not getting better than that deal

Theyre better off just keeping keeping him than taking that offer.

Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, and Nic Claxton go absolutely nowhere.

[RRR3]

Theyre better off just keeping keeping him than taking that offer.

Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, and Nic Claxton go absolutely nowhere.
When has keeping someone who doesn’t want to be there ever gone well? He will play like shit on purpose or refuse to play.

[Kblaze8855]

I don’t think KD is a Harden type. He’s too into basketball. I think he’d play while it got worked out. He could still go to Phoenix after December. He’s probably looking to play 4-5 more years. I don’t see him ruining it for 4-5 months. It doesn’t feel like a “**** you trade me now” situation.

If Jaylen was in the package he will be in it a few months I suspect.

[SouBeachTalents]

I don't think I'd make that trade if I'm the Celtics. You were literally just 2 games away from winning the championship, why trade away half of a duo that could potentially contend for the next 7-10 years for a guy, as immensely talented as he is, who's 34, injury prone, and has proven to have virtually zero leadership skills and intangibles.

[FultzNationRISE]

When has keeping someone who doesn’t want to be there ever gone well? He will play like shit on purpose or refuse to play.

Well then they can tank for a good pick and look to trade him again next offseason.

Durant should still have more trade value than White, Brown, and a late first. Especially to the Nets who would barely be a treadmill team with that trade.

Maybe theres a third team that feels like Brown/White elevates them to contender status (Cleveland?) and they throw some prospects and picks into the deal to make a Nets rebuild worthwhile.

But Brown and White on the current Nets roster? Whats the point? Theyd be garbage and all the Nets would have to rebuild with is a late Boston first rounder?

[Kblaze8855]

I don't think I'd make that trade if I'm the Celtics. You were literally just 2 games away from winning the championship, why trade away half of a duo that could potentially contend for the next 7-10 years for a guy, as immensely talented as he is, who's 34, injury prone, and has proven to have virtually zero leadership skills and intangibles.

It has me wondering if teams really think long term anymore. When you can be fired at a moments notice try to win now. A lot more Rams situation may be brewing. “**** them picks” is how they put it. You can barely rely on having anyone for 7-10 years.

[Kblaze8855]

Well then they can tank for a good pick and look to trade him again next offseason.

Durant should still have more trade value than White, Brown, and a late first. Especially to the Nets who would barely be a treadmill team with that trade.

Maybe theres a third team that feels like Brown/White elevates them to contender status (Cleveland?) and they throw some prospects and picks into the deal to make a Nets rebuild worthwhile.

But Brown and White on the current Nets roster? Whats the point? Theyd be garbage and all the Nets would have to rebuild with is a late Boston first rounder?


Kyrie, Simmons, and those role players are gonna win too much to tank. You don’t tank for a 43 win season.

[FultzNationRISE]

Kyrie, Simmons, and those role players are gonna win too much to tank. You don’t tank for a 43 win season.


Oh I don't expect them to play.

[Kblaze8855]

Put something on it.

[FultzNationRISE]

Also, check their record when Kyrie did play last year. And be sure to include the 0-4 playoff result with it.

Without KD they're tanking either way.

[SouBeachTalents]

It has me wondering if teams really think long term anymore. When you can be fired at a moments notice try to win now. A lot more Rams situation may be brewing. “**** them picks” is how they put it. You can barely rely on having anyone for 7-10 years.
More often than not I'd advocate for a win now strategy, since your opportunity to win a championship can often go by in a blink. It totally made sense for the Rams, who were comprised of a bunch of free agents/guys they traded for, including a 34 year old QB. One team that does seem to be planning long term is the Chiefs, who broke up their big 3 by dumping Hill for a boatload of picks.

But the Celtics? I think their best play is to stay the course. Their two top guys are in their mid 20's, right around the time players start to hit their peak, and they're coming off their first Finals appearance. You make a great point that in this day and age, you really can't rely on guys to stick around for 7-10 years, but I'd be weary breaking up a young team with title aspirations for a mercenary in his mid 30's.

Hypothetically if this were Curry, I think I'd make that trade. KD comes with a lot more baggage, and as I said earlier I don't even think he could fill a leadership role with the team.

[Kblaze8855]

Also, check their record when Kyrie did play last year. And be sure to include the 0-4 playoff result with it.

Without KD they're tanking either way.

39.5 extrapolated record when Kyrie played isn’t what anyone would call tanking nor is the 35 if you include the obviously irrelevant playoffs(you don’t play finals teams back to back to back to back in the regular season). If you tank and win upper 30s you did it wrong.

[theballerFKA Ace]

You can't rely on Tatum bringing you a chip in his career. He's good but not Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Wade, Dirk, Luka, Giannis good. If you gut that team idk if Tatum and Durant is enough. However if you trade Tatum for KD straight up that team has a very good chance to win it all the next two seasons. Live for the moment, that defensive minded team with KD on it can get you to the promiseland.

[Kblaze8855]

More often than not I'd advocate for a win now strategy, since your opportunity to win a championship can often go by in a blink. It totally made sense for the Rams, who were comprised of a bunch of free agents/guys they traded for, including a 34 year old QB. One team that does seem to be planning long term is the Chiefs, who broke up their big 3 by dumping Hill for a boatload of picks.

But the Celtics? I think their best play is to stay the course. Their two top guys are in their mid 20's, right around the time players start to hit their peak, and they're coming off their first Finals appearance. You make a great point that in this day and age, you really can't rely on guys to stick around for 7-10 years, but I'd be weary breaking up a young team with title aspirations for a mercenary in his mid 30's.

Hypothetically if this were Curry, I think I'd make that trade. KD comes with a lot more baggage, and as I said earlier I don't even think he could fill a leadership role with the team.

I don’t disagree exactly I’m just saying sports in general is more “Win now” than they used to be. And KD for Jaylen could be like Demar for Leonard without waiting the extra 5 years to confirm it wasn’t winning it all. The better player is the better player. And KD is arguably better now than when he was winning finals mvps. He’s a bit of a freak.

I don’t know if he’s a “Fall off a cliff” type skill set wise. I was just listening to Iggy and Evan Turner talk about how real nba players laugh at fans and media talking about how KD played in these playoffs because they understand how much defensive attention it took to do it and how the other guys shouldn’t have been able to fail in that situation. I was surprised to hear them say “He’s top 2. And he ain’t 2”. Players have a serious respect for his game.

[FultzNationRISE]

39.5 extrapolated record when Kyrie played isn’t what anyone would call tanking nor is the 35 if you include the obviously irrelevant playoffs(you don’t play finals teams back to back to back to back in the regular season). If you tank and win upper 30s you did it wrong.


My bad, wasnt as specific as I should have been.

Their record with Kyrie and WITHOUT KD - would you care to share that with us?

[Real Men Wear Green]

You can't rely on Tatum bringing you a chip in his career. He's good but not Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Wade, Dirk, Luka, Giannis good. If you gut that team idk if Tatum and Durant is enough. However if you trade Tatum for KD straight up that team has a very good chance to win it all the next two seasons. Live for the moment, that defensive minded team with KD on it can get you to the promiseland.

Tatum is a big part of that defensive mindset and may still be playing a decade after Durant is retired. And is already first team All-NBA.

[FultzNationRISE]

You can't rely on Tatum bringing you a chip in his career. He's good but not Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Wade, Dirk, Luka, Giannis good. If you gut that team idk if Tatum and Durant is enough. However if you trade Tatum for KD straight up that team has a very good chance to win it all the next two seasons. Live for the moment, that defensive minded team with KD on it can get you to the promiseland.

It would be far from a guaranteed chip if that trade went thru, but it would appreciably improve their chances. Trading Brown and White for KD is hardly gutting the team. You still have Smart/Time Lawd in the starting lineup and Horford, Gallo, Williams, Pritchard et al on the bench.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Tatum is a big part of that defensive mindset and may still be playing a decade after Durant is retired. And is already first team All-NBA.

No one said he wasn't a great player. Him and Booker are probably two of the worst First Team All NBA players in recent memory though.

Jaylen Brown steps up almost if not bigger in the post season than Tatum. If you lose Smart, and maybe even Robert Williams plus a a couple of draft picks, that team is worse than giving up just Tatum.

The Celtics are the 2nd most storied franchise in history. A full 2 generations have basically forgotten about that. Celtics need to gamble and go for the throat. You could argue the Celtics need a championship soon more than any other franchise

[Kblaze8855]

My bad, wasnt as specific as I should have been.

Their record with Kyrie and WITHOUT KD - would you care to share that with us?

You feel free. That’s too much work to give me a number that doesn’t matter. Not that Kyries record even over the full 29 random games he played matters either. He didn’t play a home game till the 75th game of the season. Nothing about that season is really worth talking about at all aside from as evidence of player buy in which is a whole other thing.

[Kblaze8855]

No one said he wasn't a great player. Him and Booker are probably two of the worst First Team All NBA players in recent memory though.

Jaylen Brown steps up almost if not bigger in the post season than Tatum. If you lose Smart, and maybe even Robert Williams plus a a couple of draft picks, that team is worse than giving up just Tatum.

The Celtics are the 2nd most storied franchise in history. A full 2 generations have basically forgotten about that. Celtics need to gamble and go for the throat. You could argue the Celtics need a championship soon more than any other franchise


Not really. The Celtics made 3 finals and won a ring in the last 15 years. There are teams that have won 2 playoff series in their entire history.

[FultzNationRISE]

You feel free. That’s too much work to give me a number that doesn’t matter. Not that Kyries record even over the full 29 random games he played matters either. He didn’t play a home game till the 75th game of the season. Nothing about that season is really worth talking about at all aside from as evidence of player buy in which is a whole other thing.

My point is that if KD sits/quits as rr3 suggested... then that team is tanking.

Whether they intend to or not. They will suck. Which will at least get them a high pick...

...if they even have the rights to their pick next year. Tho I wouldnt be surprised if they dont.

[Real Men Wear Green]

No one said he wasn't a great player. Him and Booker are probably two of the worst First Team All NBA players in recent memory though.

Jaylen Brown steps up almost if not bigger in the post season than Tatum. If you lose Smart, and maybe even Robert Williams plus a a couple of draft picks, that team is worse than giving up just Tatum.

The Celtics are the 2nd most storied franchise in history. A full 2 generations have basically forgotten about that. Celtics need to gamble and go for the throat. You could argue the Celtics need a championship soon more than any other franchise
I can also argue that trading Tatum for the guy that he shut down over the course of a sweep isn't the way to get it. I don't feel that being the "worst" first team All-NBA player is anything for a 24 year-old to be ashamed of. You know who wasn't first team? KD. This in spite of Tatum being the worst first-team All-NBA superstar you've ever seen. No, the Celtics not having a Championship since 2008 is not a good reason to make a bad trade where they would lose value even if it was just a 1-to-1 player swap...but it won't be, the Nets will also want one or two of the point guards and 5 first round picks. No thank you, he's 34 at the start of next season and has already torn his achilles.

[8Ball]

KD is almost 34 now. All GMs see this so they don't offer much.


Nets would be lucky to get a haul like the Pelicans got for AD.

[Derka]

I don’t buy that we’re a shoo-in for a chip trading out Brown and others for Durant, so I think this trade sucks. We could be facing a situation where Tatum hits the road for his next deal and we’re a lottery team who gave our picks to Brooklyn.

I’d rather keep Brown. Durant’s an all-time great while being a colossal bitch.

Edit: if this is Wyc and the owners pressuring Brad to make a dumb move to “win now because we’re in the tax” then Wyc and the owners need to f*ck right off.

Edit again: all of this could be a bunch of bullshit from the Nets to game other teams into overpaying for KD and Kyrie.

[Wally450]

I don't think I'd make that trade if I'm the Celtics. You were literally just 2 games away from winning the championship, why trade away half of a duo that could potentially contend for the next 7-10 years for a guy, as immensely talented as he is, who's 34, injury prone, and has proven to have virtually zero leadership skills and intangibles.

Agreed. I do not want Durant on this team.

[PeroAntic]

Durant should still have more trade value than White, Brown, and a late first. Especially to the Nets who would barely be a treadmill team with that trade.


He doesnt. Hes old, injury prone and a headcase. That brings down his value from the ability that he has currently.

[TheGoatest]

Wait, so the Celtics plan is to win a championship while being carried by 2 players who just choked MASSIVELY in the series they lost:

Tatum against the Warriors: 21.5 ppg on .367
Durant against the Celtics: 26.3 ppg on .386 in 44.0 minutes, along with 5.3 turnovers

:oldlol:

If this ends up in nothing, watch the Celtics desperately try to make it look like this was never a thing to Jaylen, and that he was always their man. :roll:
The Celtics are the most disloyal and cold-blooded franchise in sports. Remember what they did to Isaiah Thomas, after he had an All-NBA 2nd team season for them?

[FultzNationRISE]

He doesnt. Hes old, injury prone and a headcase. That brings down his value from the ability that he has currently.


In a logical world, maybe so, but in the world of NBA trades... theres plenty of reason to expect the Nets can get more than that if theyre patient.

[bladefd]

The Nets are retarded for rejecting that trade. Durant is 34 and always injured you’re not getting better than that deal

Nets should have asked for another 1st round pick.

Brown, White and 2 1sts is a decent reasonable deal imo

[AlternativeAcc.]

:roll:

Celtics are a joke. Like some moron offering 40k for my 19 grand sport. Gtfoh :oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

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He probably wondering why they shopping him.

[86Celtics]

This is downright idiotic from the Celtics, unless Brown indicated that he won't be resigning in two years.

Durant is a 34 year old diva with a ruptured achilles who plays only for himself. He is more likely to break down or throw a hissy fit because someone looked him the wrong way than lead the Celtics to the title.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Nets are so desperate so they can accept a really bad trade. Rockets own their 2024 and 2026 FRP also 2023, 2025, 2027 FRP swap. Nets will not tank. They can't, it doesnt make sense.

[hold this L]

Nets are so desperate so they can accept a really bad trade. Rockets own their 2024 and 2026 FRP also 2023, 2025, 2027 FRP swap. Nets will not tank. They can't, it doesnt make sense.

Everything we've read so far implies the complete opposite of what you just said, they're not going to accept a bad trade for them. They either get the moon & the stars or.. they get to keep Kevin Durant.

[RRR3]

Everything we've read so far implies the complete opposite of what you just said, they're not going to accept a bad trade for them. They either get the moon & the stars or.. they get to keep Kevin Durant.
The moon and stars for a 34 year old who can’t stay healthy and doesn’t want to be in Brooklyn :lol

Wets are delusional

[hold this L]

The moon and stars for a 34 year old who can’t stay healthy and doesn’t want to be in Brooklyn :lol

Wets are delusional

Not really delusional though, they want to keep him.

[Charlie Sheen]

The moon and stars for a 34 year old who can’t stay healthy and doesn’t want to be in Brooklyn :lol

Wets are delusional

You aren't wrong about the concerns that come along with Durant, but there is no comparable player on the market. I'd bet on the Nets getting close to their ask if they deal him.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The moon and stars for a 34 year old who can’t stay healthy and doesn’t want to be in Brooklyn :lol

Wets are delusional
You would be right if Durant had a year left and was forcing his way onto a specific team. His deal has years on which lessens his leverage ans we haven't heard that he has limited them yet. So they can be patient and let the bidding war happen. There is no reason not to.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You aren't wrong about the concerns that come along with Durant, but there is no comparable player on the market. I'd bet on the Nets getting close to their ask if they deal him.
Jazz got an entire basketball team for Rudy G. If that deal sets the market we don't have any idea how far a bidding war for Durant goes.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz got an entire basketball team for Rudy G. If that deal sets the market we don't have any idea how far a bidding war for Durant goes.

and yet they will likely lose the trade. Statues have only come about every 10 years in Utah. Unlikely they got one from that trade

[Proctor]

and yet they will likely lose the trade. Statues have only come about every 10 years in Utah. Unlikely they got one from that trade
Don't think Gobert would get a statue even in his home country much less a franchise he fizzled out with. Unless you're referring to his foot speed then I wouldn't disagree

[RRR3]

Don't think Gobert would get a statue even in his home country much less a franchise he fizzled out with. Unless you're referring to his foot speed then I wouldn't disagree
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Don't think Gobert would get a statue even in his home country much less a franchise he fizzled out with. Unless you're referring to his foot speed then I wouldn't disagree

best French player ever. 3rd best Jazz ever :bowdown:

[Proctor]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

and yet they will likely lose the trade. Statues have only come about every 10 years in Utah. Unlikely they got one from that trade

How many jazz players got a statue?

[PeroAntic]

Unless you're referring to his foot speed then I wouldn't disagree

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0fggc0kFY1r7a2bao1_250.gif

[Kblaze8855]

How many jazz players got a statue?


Exactly the 2 you assume and none will be added from anyone to play there since.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ainge will get a statue after he rapes James Dolan

[FultzNationRISE]

best French player ever. 3rd best Jazz ever :bowdown:


Behind Mitchell and who else?

[Xiao Yao You]

Behind Mitchell and who else?

Not sure Mitchell is even top 10. Never been their best player. Was their 3rd best player two seasons ago

[kawhileonard2]

I don't think I'd make that trade if I'm the Celtics. You were literally just 2 games away from winning the championship, why trade away half of a duo that could potentially contend for the next 7-10 years for a guy, as immensely talented as he is, who's 34, injury prone, and has proven to have virtually zero leadership skills and intangibles.

Who says they get back or ever win it?