I think Stockton might be the most annoying player to hear younger fans talk about.

[Kblaze8855]

Stockton discussion is maybe the worst version of “If you don’t care enough to investigate why do you care enough to comment?”. Any search instantly brings you great athlete after great athletes talking about him being tough, skilled, and downright embarrassing to play against……




https://youtu.be/A8RKYwJ0Vlc




https://youtu.be/QfeVkJ6_rB0



https://youtu.be/Z05fBtu9mso

[Kblaze8855]

https://youtu.be/L08tBn_uwyE




But people will post his picture then talk shit. As if guys like Baron and Webber weren’t great athletes who couldn’t rattle him or contain him.

I know some of it is just stupid anti Jordan trolling but way too many of these kids(who aren’t actually kids…which is even worse) believe that shit.

Stockton was voted and named among the dirtiest players in the league over and over…everyone will say he was tough as nails…and even the athletes say they could do nothing with him.

But he’s widely seen as some soft white boy who couldnt hang with todays athletes.

Combo of size and racism I suppose. He just didn’t look like the toughest…and we will never convince people who weren’t watching him that he was. Even when players say it.

Anyone like this for you? Someone you hate hearing fans discuss because of how clear it is they don’t know anything and just repeat stereotypes or popular takes? To a point you’d almost rather they didn’t even get discussed than to have it done so poorly?

[theman93]

If he wasn’t white he would be more highly regarded by today’s generation. Unfortunately today’s generation is increasingly racist towards white people.

[John8204]

To me the whole Stockton not being an athlete thing was weird. The guy wasn't a sprinter but he was arguably the greatest marathon player I ever saw in my life time.

[FultzNationRISE]

https://youtu.be/L08tBn_uwyE

But people will post his picture then talk shit. As if guys like Baron and Webber weren’t great athletes who couldn’t rattle him or contain him.

I know some of it is just stupid anti Jordan trolling but way too many of these kids(who aren’t actually kids…which is even worse) believe that shit.

Stockton was voted and named among the dirtiest players in the league over and over…everyone will say he was tough as nails…and even the athletes say they could do nothing with him.

But he’s widely seen as some soft white boy who couldnt hang with todays athletes.

Combo of size and racism I suppose. He just didn’t look like the toughest…and we will never convince people who weren’t watching him that he was. Even when players say it.

Anyone like this for you? Someone you hate hearing fans discuss because of how clear it is they don’t know anything and just repeat stereotypes or popular takes? To a point you’d almost rather they didn’t even get discussed than to have it done so poorly?


This actually speaks to a general phenomenon that the people who act toughest, tend to be the least tough. You see this often on "internet fight videos" (which I generally dont like watching, but occasionally I get sucked in) where one guy is barking and harassing someone and telling em to knuckle up, and when the guy finally does he just destroys the loud mouth instigator. Also recalls to mind the Morris/Joker incident where the infamous fake-bully takes a cheap shot at the quiet 'soft' guy he thinks wont hit back, but immediately gets put on the deck and stays there for a good 20 minutes.

It's not strictly a racial thing although altho because of stereotypes it often happens in that context. But people who ARE tough have no reason to go around yelling about it, because theyre confident they'll handle whatever comes up and they just wanna go about their business. People who are insecure with themselves are always trying to prove theyre tough, looking for that recognition that comes with getting in peoples faces and trying to intimidate them. But those dudes are usually a house of cards. Real tough guys dont have anything to prove. If they wanna hike up their shorts and comb their hair neatly, they can do it with the confidence that anyone who picks on them is gonna regret it.

[Johnny32]

webber calling that "one of the best screen he's ever done" as you see him barely get a forearm on stockton in the video is hilarious. classic case of players hyping up their generation or legends they faced.

[Bacchus]

Stockton is the all-time leader in two of the five major stat categories steals and assists

[bison]

It’s just part of the race-to-the-bottom discourse that dominated sports talk, particularly on social media. People are driven to say the most outrageous thing they can think of because it’s what gets the most likes and views on social media. ‘Let’s piss off the oldheads’ is a common refrain from these people so that’s where a lot of Stockton disrespect comes from. I feel like it’s just going to get worse. Basketball fans who came up on social media get all their knowledge from memes and cherry picked stats found on popular social media accounts. They don’t read articles, watch interviews or collect older footage of full basketball games anymore.

[MrFonzworth]

webber calling that "one of the best screen he's ever done" as you see him barely get a forearm on stockton in the video is hilarious. classic case of players hyping up their generation or legends they faced.

Whats hilarious is you making that statement while stanning this guy

https://c.tenor.com/GWFmWzgaKQUAAAAM/lebron-flopjames.gif

[bizil]

Stock was the ultimate fundamentals-technician on the basketball court. When you look at it LIKE THAT, he had NO FLAWS in his game for his size. I'm talking the passing ability, shooting ability, handles, and defense were ALL top of the line. And pound for pound tough AF!!!

To casual fans or newer fans who AREN'T students of the game what hurts Stock is:

1. Not a freakish athlete
2. Not a flashy player
3. Wasn't a dominant/alpha dog level scorer

So for those that don't know any better, they will judge him based on that. But they don't realize he's arguably the best floor general of all time. Was a great defender. Only player in NBA history to lead two major categories in career numbers. And even when Stock wasn't a superstar lever player anymore, he was STILL an All Star caliber player knocking on 40 years of age. He NEVER truly fell off hard like many of the legends do. His last season at age 40 he still put up 11 points-8 dimes-2 steals a game. When it comes to a SUSTAINED RUN of greatness (not taking retiring a couple of times and coming back) he's in that group with Bron, Kareem, and Mailman.

[FultzNationRISE]

It’s just part of the race-to-the-bottom discourse that dominated sports talk, particularly on social media. People are driven to say the most outrageous thing they can think of because it’s what gets the most likes and views on social media. ‘Let’s piss off the oldheads’ is a common refrain from these people so that’s where a lot of Stockton disrespect comes from. I feel like it’s just going to get worse. Basketball fans who came up on social media get all their knowledge from memes and cherry picked stats found on popular social media accounts. They don’t read articles, watch interviews or collect older footage of full basketball games anymore.


Well said.

[post]

To me the whole Stockton not being an athlete thing was weird. The guy wasn't a sprinter but he was arguably the greatest marathon player I ever saw in my life time.

stud stamina


webber calling that "one of the best screen he's ever done" as you see him barely get a forearm on stockton in the video is hilarious. classic case of players hyping up their generation or legends they faced.

since webber already said stockton wouldn't be expecting it i'll just add webber is 9 inches taller and 75 pounds heavier

[post]

Stock was the ultimate fundamentals-technician on the basketball court. When you look at it LIKE THAT, he had NO FLAWS in his game for his size. I'm talking the passing ability, shooting ability, handles, and defense were ALL top of the line. And pound for pound tough AF!!!

To casual fans or newer fans who AREN'T students of the game what hurts Stock is:

1. Not a freakish athlete
2. Not a flashy player
3. Wasn't a dominant/alpha dog level scorer

So for those that don't know any better, they will judge him based on that. But they don't realize he's arguably the best floor general of all time. Was a great defender. Only player in NBA history to lead two major categories in career numbers. And even when Stock wasn't a superstar lever player anymore, he was STILL an All Star caliber player knocking on 40 years of age. He NEVER truly fell off hard like many of the legends do. His last season at age 40 he still put up 11 points-8 dimes-2 steals a game. When it comes to a SUSTAINED RUN of greatness (not taking retiring a couple of times and coming back) he's in that group with Bron, Kareem, and Mailman.

1. true
2. true but to some extent an era thing
3. true but 89 playoffs showed he could be but it didn't matter

[ShawkFactory]

Not NBA obviously, but Derek Jeter. I was on the other end of the isle 10 years ago because yankee fans and talking heads compared him to Kobe and shit, but since then it seems like everyone has caught on to that and he’s become vastly underrated. Classic case of so overrated that you’ve become underrated. People now just say he had no business being as regarded as he was.

Obviously the numbers weren’t gaudy, and baseball is largely as numbers based sport, but naturally the little things that he did don’t translate across eras. From momentum swinging hits, to moving a runner over every time, to directing the 3rd basemen 5 feet to his right that will eventually prevent a single. All of this shit wins you ballgames, particularly in the postseason when everything is tighter.

Plus he was a terrific leader and clubhouse presence that provided excellent moral in a mentally difficult sport.

No one seems to talk about that anymore.

[eliteballer]

Just show those 97 and 98 Jazz teams going 8-1 in the playoffs against Shaqs super athletic laker teams. Also as if Chris Paul or Nash are some great pure athletes. In fact Stockton might have been faster.

[jlip]

Hearing the level of respect or dare I say "healthy fear" that some of these players had for Stockton reminds me of how some of the supposedly toughest or most thuggish rappers during the 90's and early 2000's speak about M.C. Hammer. Hammer, for the most part, had this relatively clean, "non- threatening", crossover image and appeal to the masses, but many so called gangster rappers were afraid of him in secret.

[bizil]

Just show those 97 and 98 Jazz teams going 8-1 in the playoffs against Shaqs super athletic laker teams. Also as if Chris Paul or Nash are some great pure athletes. In fact Stockton might have been faster.

True indeed. But CP3 and Nash had the FLASH in their games that casual or newer fans will latch onto. Young CP3 in NO was hella fast and athletic for a 6'0 player. Stock wasn't faster than young CP3 in NO.

[bizil]

1. true
2. true but to some extent an era thing
3. true but 89 playoffs showed he could be but it didn't matter

In Stock's era there were MANY FLASHY players in the NBA. Magic, Bird, MJ, Nique, Isiah, Drexler, Barkley, Olajuwon, Admiral, Kemp, Tim Hardaway, KJ, etc. ALL had the flash in their games to attract casual or newer fans. Let alone guys who entered the league in the 90's like Kidd, Penny, G Hill, etc. All these guys were in the league during Stockton's prime.

And Stock HAS HAD his moments scoring. BUT overall, Stock wasn't an alpha dog level scorer. Just wasn't in his game overall. That Utah team was NEVER LOADED with great scorers. The only GREAT SCORER he played with was the Mailman. Stock being MORE AGGRESSIVE scoring the rock would have benefitted them in my opinion.

I gotta hella respect for Stock. And don't hold this against him. Just saying when it comes to casual fans or younger fans, they will hold that against him. Casuals don't know better. And younger fans aren't students of the game level yet.

[RRR3]

Hearing the level of respect or dare I say "healthy fear" that some of these players had for Stockton reminds me of how some of the supposedly toughest or most thuggish rappers during the 90's and early 2000's speak about M.C. Hammer. Hammer, for the most part, had this relatively clean, "non- threatening", crossover image and appeal to the masses, but many so called gangster rappers were afraid of him in secret.
Why were they afraid of him?

[post]

In Stock's era there were MANY FLASHY players in the NBA. Magic, Bird, MJ, Nique, Isiah, Drexler, Barkley, Olajuwon, Admiral, Kemp, Tim Hardaway, KJ, etc. ALL had the flash in their games to attract casual or newer fans. Let alone guys who entered the league in the 90's like Kidd, Penny, G Hill, etc. All these guys were in the league during Stockton's prime.

And Stock HAS HAD his moments scoring. BUT overall, Stock wasn't an alpha dog level scorer. Just wasn't in his game overall. That Utah team was NEVER LOADED with great scorers. The only GREAT SCORER he played with was the Mailman. Stock being MORE AGGRESSIVE scoring the rock would have benefitted them in my opinion.

I gotta hella respect for Stock. And don't hold this against him. Just saying when it comes to casual fans or younger fans, they will hold that against him. Casuals don't know better. And younger fans aren't students of the game level yet.

i agree but i was thinking more along the lines of hardaway saying he had a better crossover than iverson because he didn't carry

something they started letting guys do more as more time goes by

and yes various people have said stockton should've tried to score more and could've

some have said he listened to his coaches too much which is an interesting criticism

some would call that being too unselfish or following the leader too much

hard to say what difference it would've made as you need the best team to win a championship

[bizil]

i agree but i was thinking more along the lines of hardaway saying he had a better crossover than iverson because he didn't carry

something they started letting guys do more as more time goes by

and yes various people have said stockton should've tried to score more and could've

some have said he listened to his coaches too much which is an interesting criticism

some would call that being too unselfish or following the leader too much

hard to say what difference it would've made as you need the best team to win a championship

Good points. I think due to the fact Utah had great success (ABSOLUTELY one of the best teams to never win a title), they thought they would eventually get a title. And for me all they were missing was a bit more scoring. Jeff Malone and Hornacek were very good scorers no doubt. But they still needed a bit more.

[Xiao Yao You]

Just show those 97 and 98 Jazz teams going 8-1 in the playoffs against Shaqs super athletic laker teams. Also as if Chris Paul or Nash are some great pure athletes. In fact Stockton might have been faster.

He was a great athlete. Fast, strong, big hands, smart...

[Xiao Yao You]

In Stock's era there were MANY FLASHY players in the NBA. Magic, Bird, MJ, Nique, Isiah, Drexler, Barkley, Olajuwon, Admiral, Kemp, Tim Hardaway, KJ, etc. ALL had the flash in their games to attract casual or newer fans. Let alone guys who entered the league in the 90's like Kidd, Penny, G Hill, etc. All these guys were in the league during Stockton's prime.

And Stock HAS HAD his moments scoring. BUT overall, Stock wasn't an alpha dog level scorer. Just wasn't in his game overall. That Utah team was NEVER LOADED with great scorers. The only GREAT SCORER he played with was the Mailman. Stock being MORE AGGRESSIVE scoring the rock would have benefitted them in my opinion.

I gotta hella respect for Stock. And don't hold this against him. Just saying when it comes to casual fans or younger fans, they will hold that against him. Casuals don't know better. And younger fans aren't students of the game level yet.

He played with Dantley who is one of the greatest scorers ever

[Xiao Yao You]

Good points. I think due to the fact Utah had great success (ABSOLUTELY one of the best teams to never win a title), they thought they would eventually get a title. And for me all they were missing was a bit more scoring. Jeff Malone and Hornacek were very good scorers no doubt. But they still needed a bit more.

Jeff Malone was awful. I'd have been happy if they'd cut his sorry ass and they got Horny for him! When they got Malone he was supposed to spread the floor so Karl could work down low. Problem was Jeff's game was 10-15 feet so it was more packed than ever. They were missing a new coach and an owner that wanted to win more than make money

[jlip]

Why were they afraid of him?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOHupZPsWD0



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fyqEYQQW2U
Start at 5:30


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3B7KBrnqCI
Start at 5:25

[Full Court]

Whats hilarious is you making that statement while stanning this guy

https://c.tenor.com/GWFmWzgaKQUAAAAM/lebron-flopjames.gif

Right??? :roll:

[post]

Good points. I think due to the fact Utah had great success (ABSOLUTELY one of the best teams to never win a title), they thought they would eventually get a title. And for me all they were missing was a bit more scoring. Jeff Malone and Hornacek were very good scorers no doubt. But they still needed a bit more.

jeff malone could score and made the all star team a couple times before he got to utah but was what kids these days would call a negative impact player

hornacek scored less but impacted the game a lot more and utah got to the finals twice with him

of course chicago had various aces up their sleeve like jordan pippen rodman kukoc etc.


He played with Dantley who is one of the greatest scorers ever

stockton played with dantley when stockton was coming off the bench/playing less than half the game and karl malone was a rookie

i'm sure you know this but for others they'll be like omg i never knew stockton had so much help

[bizil]

He played with Dantley who is one of the greatest scorers ever

You know what the hell I meant. I'm talking prime Stock. Not Stock as a rookie and coming off the bench. 1st three years in the league Stock was coming off the bench. Playing 20 minutes a night.

[Xiao Yao You]

You know what the hell I meant. I'm talking prime Stock. Not Stock as a rookie and coming off the bench. 1st three years in the league Stock was coming off the bench. Playing 20 minutes a night.

and he was already great. He came off the bench because the Jazz had a comedian as their head coach. The same clown they chose over A.D.! Should have traded all star Rickey Green day 1. Stockton was better than him the first time I saw him play

[999Guy]

I don’t think so. Stockton gets natural respect as the archetype guy for his position.

Stockton could easily, easily, easily get name dropped in the next biggest rap song of 2022.

John Stockton’s name weight and recognizability is at the level of Bird and Magic today. Or really anybody other than Kobe, LeBron, and Curry. Basically his name is synonymous with basketball greatness.

I mean theres gonna be some unpopular opinions everywhere about everyone. I flat out refuse to believe Jordan was anything more than decent on defense.

Stockton is known as a pesky prototype PG, to me. The 90’s still has its nostalgia edge to fans that didn’t even experience it, to me. Though you can feel 00’s creeping up on that.

But I avoid dumb basketball places like Twitter and instagram. If they’re shitting on him there then I’m out of touch. Gun to head though? Known for what he is. And very well known.

[Round Mound]

:facepalm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJCwyh0fDGw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgQtMej-v0E

[TheMan]

webber calling that "one of the best screen he's ever done" as you see him barely get a forearm on stockton in the video is hilarious. classic case of players hyping up their generation or legends they faced.

If Webber did that to LeBron, he would've acted like he got shot with a canon, and you know it's true.
https://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1632727/leflop_medium.gif

Just one of countless embarrassing flops :lol

[Nowitness]

He's also the most frustrating to hear old heads prop up.

The racist, pro-white, anti-vax 40 year olds act like Stockton was capable of carrying teams far.

Was he consistent? No doubt, prolly the most consistent PG we've ever seen.

Could he go above his consistency and dominate the game? Nope, bar Game 7 v Houston in 97, Stockton was routinely playing at his average come playoff time. Payton made him look silly when they matched up in 96.

Lego haired, alcoholic faced cheat.

[Johnny32]

webber calling that "one of the best screen he's ever done" as you see him barely get a forearm on stockton in the video is hilarious. classic case of players hyping up their generation or legends they faced.

It's funny as webber keeps trying to hype this screen up, talking about a shoulder to the head, etc...patrick can see the video playing and clearly knows this story is more fiction than non fiction. You can hear it in his voice, the awkward embarrassment for webber and all oldheads like him in denial.

[Iverson3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnLKxzidBow

[TheMan]

Stockton discussion is maybe the worst version of “If you don’t care enough to investigate why do you care enough to comment?”. Any search instantly brings you great athlete after great athletes talking about him being tough, skilled, and downright embarrassing to play against……




https://youtu.be/A8RKYwJ0Vlc




https://youtu.be/QfeVkJ6_rB0



https://youtu.be/Z05fBtu9mso

Idiots like Johnny32 slam legends like Stockton, obviously because he has an agenda and because he's mentally retarded too. The sad thing is, he's too fukking old to be this dimwitted, he ain't a teenie dumbass but he's as dumb as one :(

[Hey Yo]

Just show those 97 and 98 Jazz teams going 8-1 in the playoffs against Shaqs super athletic laker teams. Also as if Chris Paul or Nash are some great pure athletes. In fact Stockton might have been faster.
97 and 98 is the reason why Del Harris never got another HC job after getting fired by LA.

[Axe]

Are some pictures of Jordan standing in front of a brick wall or something? This way, it would be possible to calculate his height because the sizes of the bricks are known.
I wonder why some celebrities would lie about their height. It’s not even that important because most people don’t pay attention. It only creates more causes for speculation. I usually make height comparisons on HeightComparison.com (https://www.heightcomparison.com) because I like to see how I look compared to others. It’s always funny to look at how tall I am because I am 6’5 and often look like a giant near the others.
:lebronamazed:

[post]

I don’t think so. Stockton gets natural respect as the archetype guy for his position.

Stockton could easily, easily, easily get name dropped in the next biggest rap song of 2022.

John Stockton’s name weight and recognizability is at the level of Bird and Magic today. Or really anybody other than Kobe, LeBron, and Curry. Basically his name is synonymous with basketball greatness.

I mean theres gonna be some unpopular opinions everywhere about everyone. I flat out refuse to believe Jordan was anything more than decent on defense.

Stockton is known as a pesky prototype PG, to me. The 90’s still has its nostalgia edge to fans that didn’t even experience it, to me. Though you can feel 00’s creeping up on that.

But I avoid dumb basketball places like Twitter and instagram. If they’re shitting on him there then I’m out of touch. Gun to head though? Known for what he is. And very well known.

i have no idea what people are saying on twitter or instagram about stockton

but i doubt anyone else is saying he has the name weight and recognizability of bird and magic

or that jordan wasn't a very good defender


He's also the most frustrating to hear old heads prop up.

The racist, pro-white, anti-vax 40 year olds act like Stockton was capable of carrying teams far.

Was he consistent? No doubt, prolly the most consistent PG we've ever seen.

Could he go above his consistency and dominate the game? Nope, bar Game 7 v Houston in 97, Stockton was routinely playing at his average come playoff time. Payton made him look silly when they matched up in 96.

Lego haired, alcoholic faced cheat.

pretty sure it's not a race thing when you have gary payton saying what he has said about stockton

yes 27 year old payton outplayed 33 year old stockton in 96 but that's a testament to how good payton was not how overrated you think stockton is

some numbers say stockton dominated and carried teams at a level

that about 10-20 guys in the last 50 years have managed to surpass

at their peaks and less for their careers



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnLKxzidBow

iverson scored on jordan too

ai was very good

[post]

oh and as for the vax thing i completely disagree with stockton

i am fully vaxxed and encourage everyone to do the same because this virus is not going away given the poor decisions that have been made

i suspect i would disagree with stockton on many non basketball related issues

[Johnny32]

Idiots like Johnny32 slam legends like Stockton, obviously because he has an agenda and because he's mentally retarded too. The sad thing is, he's too fukking old to be this dimwitted, he ain't a teenie dumbass but he's as dumb as one :(

lol this fat chick is so angry.

[90sgoat]

i am fully vaxxed and encourage everyone to do the same because this virus is not going away given the poor decisions that have been made


I had the virus and ran 10 miles on day 3 you dumbass and I don't have to fear dropping dead from heart rythm disorders.

[90sgoat]

Stockton is the second best point guard I've seen.

Kidd is the best.

Magic is probably better but I didn't watch him live except for a few highlights during Olympics.

People don't get what that you need to watch Stockton in context. Never choked, always stepped up.

He is like the anti-CP3.

Actually, both are quite similar in their playstyle, very technically skilled, both cerebral, both preferring the PnR and both kill from the mid range.

Stockton was different from CP3 though in that he never choked. He was the clear brain and heart of those Utah teams. It was Stockton to Malone, but Malone I wouldn't bet on without Stockton.

Stockton gets respect because he was an ice cold killer like MJ. Stone face, just will murder you on the court.

[post]

I had the virus and ran 10 miles on day 3 you dumbass and I don't have to fear dropping dead from heart rythm disorders.

a. i'm not going to lower myself and get into a name calling contest with you

b. for any rational people out there this is what i'm referring to

[90sgoat]

a. i'm not going to lower myself and get into a name calling contest with you

b. for any rational people out there this is what i'm referring to

What I'm saying is true though.

I did run 3 days on day 3 and I only had 4 hours of fever.

Know why? Cause I'm in decent shape with normal weight. And if that's you then covid is of no risk.

[post]

What I'm saying is true though.

I did run 3 days on day 3 and I only had 4 hours of fever.

Know why? Cause I'm in decent shape with normal weight. And if that's you then covid is of no risk.

i was making a general statement

i don't have the time or interest to educate every single person who calls me a dumbass

all i can say is you are dead wrong but i don't wish death on anyone

[90sgoat]

i was making a general statement

i don't have the time or interest to educate every single person who calls me a dumbass

all i can say is you are dead wrong but i don't wish death on anyone

Try to take in a single datapoint my dude.

I'm doing fine, I was fine, it was literally 10x less than the flu for me.

I did the math, I read the studies, it was never dangerous for me. Why won't you accept it?

[post]

Stockton is the second best point guard I've seen.

Kidd is the best.

Magic is probably better but I didn't watch him live except for a few highlights during Olympics.

People don't get what that you need to watch Stockton in context. Never choked, always stepped up.

He is like the anti-CP3.

Actually, both are quite similar in their playstyle, very technically skilled, both cerebral, both preferring the PnR and both kill from the mid range.

Stockton was different from CP3 though in that he never choked. He was the clear brain and heart of those Utah teams. It was Stockton to Malone, but Malone I wouldn't bet on without Stockton.

Stockton gets respect because he was an ice cold killer like MJ. Stone face, just will murder you on the court.

chris paul is one of the guys numbers say has surpassed stockton in his peak and in some senses career

magics name can easily be included as well

kidd no but not super far behind

[Johnny32]

Stockton is the second best point guard I've seen.

Kidd is the best.

Magic is probably better but I didn't watch him live except for a few highlights during Olympics.

People don't get what that you need to watch Stockton in context. Never choked, always stepped up.

He is like the anti-CP3.

Actually, both are quite similar in their playstyle, very technically skilled, both cerebral, both preferring the PnR and both kill from the mid range.

Stockton was different from CP3 though in that he never choked. He was the clear brain and heart of those Utah teams. It was Stockton to Malone, but Malone I wouldn't bet on without Stockton.

Stockton gets respect because he was an ice cold killer like MJ. Stone face, just will murder you on the court.

lol if cp3 averaged 12-9-3 in the finals in a losing effort you would definitely call him a choker

[post]

Try to take in a single datapoint my dude.

I'm doing fine, I was fine, it was literally 10x less than the flu for me.

I did the math, I read the studies, it was never dangerous for me. Why won't you accept it?

i'm glad you're fine

doesn't mean you are making the right decisions or actually know what you are talking about

[90sgoat]

i'm glad you're fine

doesn't mean you are making the right decisions or actually know what you are talking about

I read the studies.

It was never dangerous for sub 70 year old people.

[post]

I read the studies.

It was never dangerous for sub 70 year old people.

i read a lot in general and am usually right

take that for what it's worth

[90sgoat]

i read a lot in general and am usually right

take that for what it's worth

Damn so do I

Battle of the basketball messageboard geniuses

[post]

Damn so do I

Battle of the basketball messageboard geniuses

perhaps i'm getting you confused with others

but aren't you kind of known around here for being at least kind of racist

and the horse you back is luka over jokic

so i'm thinking you've intellectually struck out with your latest anti-vax statement

[Johnny32]

stockton 98 finals...10-9-3 on 54 ts%
cp3 21 finals...22-8-3 on 62 ts%

hurrr, choker, durrr

[Xiao Yao You]

I read the studies.

It was never dangerous for sub 70 year old people.

brother had 103 temperature. That's dangerous

[90sgoat]

perhaps i'm getting you confused with others

but aren't you kind of known around here for being at least kind of racist

and the horse you back is luka over jokic

so i'm thinking you've intellectually struck out with your latest anti-vax statement

I'm actually not at all racist anymore.

I found Jesus (true story) and I realized why I was using anger to deal with the unfairness of the world.

[90sgoat]

brother had 103 temperature. That's dangerous

What?

It's not dangerous until you hit >106.

[Xiao Yao You]

What?

It's not dangerous until you hit >106.

https://www.healthtap.com/questions/245309-at-what-body-temperature-does-it-become-dangerous/




Dr. Tejas Ozarkaranswered



General Practice 10 years experience





100.4 F: A fever (https://www.healthtap.com/topics/symptoms/fever/) is defined as temperature above 100.4 f. Generally, temperatures above 104 is considered hyperpyrexia, where some of your body's cells and proteins (https://www.healthtap.com/topics/other-topics/protein/) will be destroyed. This is very dangerous and means there is a serious pathology (https://www.healthtap.com/topics/other-topics/pathology/) taking place. If you notice high fevers, temperature rising quickly or any major temperature swings, go to the er or call your physician immediately.

get a simple vaccination or risk your life

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I'm actually not at all racist anymore.

I found Jesus (true story) and I realized why I was using anger to deal with the unfairness of the world.

jesus would only further demonstrate you have a fetish for being wrong or at bare minimum highly questionable

[Lebron23]

stockton 98 finals...10-9-3 on 54 ts%
cp3 21 finals...22-8-3 on 62 ts%

hurrr, choker, durrr

Chris Paul is better than Stockton in the finals

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Chris Paul is better than Stockton in the finals

bulls had a better defense than the bucks

and holiday kind of put the clamps on paul and booker whenever they were matched up

paul is right there with stockton though and could be ahead

numbers don't lie that much