Raptors scouting report on LeBron in 2018 leaked

[SouBeachTalents]

Don't know all the details, apparently it was leaked by a former disgruntled Raps player who was on the team back then. They also apparently leaked scouting reports on John Wall & Bradley Beal too.

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2018-Playoff-Scouting-Report-leaked-on-LeBron-James-Wall-Beal.jpg

Just thought it'd make for an interesting read. Surprisingly things like LeCuck and 3/8 are never mentioned.

[Johnny32]

LeBronto.

[Kblaze8855]

A lot of that is pretty straightforward. Read all about him shooting off the dribble going left(as we all watch him do from 3 all the time) then goes to the game and does it anyway:



https://youtu.be/kuoJ_ipNS-8

[90sgoat]

Seems pretty basic for a billion dollar analysis.

Is this what analydids contributes?

Because the eye test could tell you that and more.

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron in that Toronto series was amazing to watch.

[Kblaze8855]

I assume that kind of thing is needed more for role players and young stars not established veterans that everyone in the league has either played 50 times or watched play hundreds of times as a kid. You don’t need the report to know Lebron is gonna look down then step back to the left for 3. You have seen him do it too often. At this point he either makes it or he doesn’t but he’s not catching you off guard.

But if you’re on an island with Devin Vassell that report might be your only insight.

But they can’t just make a report on the non stars. You cover everyone. Even if everyone isn’t needed.

[Johnny32]

LeBron in that Toronto series was amazing to watch.

jval's reaction on a couple of those from the bench is more funny now considering.

[hold this L]

This feels like something literally anybody could grab the analytics and present it within 1/2 day. Nothing about this is insightful, you'd expect a bit more from their analytics team.

[3ba11]

Wow

Garbage-ass 3rd-grade level report and garbage player compared to Jordan

No mention of double-teaming schemes like Curry/MJ scouting reports

There were 2 things from the report that are salient - he won't attempt catch-and-shoot with a defender closing out - this jives with my threads about Lebron not taking contested jumpers

And he can't pull-up going right ... :roll:... b-b-but goat doh

[GrayGoat]

Wow

Garbage-ass 3rd-grade level report and garbage player compared to Jordan

No mention of double-teaming schemes like Curry/MJ scouting reports

There were 2 things from the report that ere salient - he won't shoot catch-and-shoot with a defender closing out

And can't pull-up going right ... :roll:... b-b-but goat doh

MJ faced a similar team in the finals pretty often. The original trash brothers

[FireDavidKahn]

Clearly they got it wrong:roll:

[3ba11]

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Here's a scouting report:


* Avoids contested jumpers... Prefers "lullaby" jumpers where he waits until defender relaxes and then steps back - DON'T RELAX

* His jumper rarely gets "hot", so he doesn't require a double-team to get the ball out of his hands on the perimeter.. Instead, we'll meet him in the paint with multiple defenders - so stay at home when he's on the perimeter and make him pound the rock as long as possible

* Implement a 2014 Spurs' strategy of making Lebron do what he doesn't want to do - i.e. make him have spot-up opportunities by helping off him when his teammates drive - aka leave him open on teammate drives so that he catches the ball for spot-ups (where his PPP craters).. This goes for all weak shooters - leave them open (help off them) when teammates are driving.

* Brace yourself for the spin move when you cut him off - that's his only real counter

* do NOT body him with your torso on the post or anytime that his back is to you - use a forearm in his back with plenty of distance (shut off the spin) and encourage him to shoot the turnaround or continue dribbling.. He uses spins to get closer to the rim for bully-ball and there's an optimal way to play against this kind of big man dribbler that uses a lot of spins (don't body them - use forearm)

* Lebron is defeated by teams that are able to make it an OFFENSIVE contest.. Otoh, he does better when it's a bruising defensive contest where his athleticism and strength has greater impact.. So let's turn it into a shoot-out where his brand of ball cannot keep up.

[warriorfan]

Don't know all the details, apparently it was leaked by a former disgruntled Raps player who was on the team back then. They also apparently leaked scouting reports on John Wall & Bradley Beal too.

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2018-Playoff-Scouting-Report-leaked-on-LeBron-James-Wall-Beal.jpg

Just thought it'd make for an interesting read. Surprisingly things like LeCuck and 3/8 are never mentioned.

Good finishing with poor midrange, decent 3 point shooting and below average defense


What’s new? We have been saying this forever :lol



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Here's a scouting report:


* Avoids contested jumpers... Prefers "lullaby" jumpers where he waits until defender relaxes and then steps back - DON'T RELAX

* His jumper rarely gets "hot", so he doesn't require a double-team to get the ball out of his hands on the perimeter.. Instead, we'll meet him in the paint with multiple defenders - so stay at home when he's on the perimeter and make him pound the rock as long as possible

* Implement a 2014 Spurs' strategy of making Lebron do what he doesn't want to do - i.e. make him have spot-up opportunities by helping off him when his teammates drive - aka leave him open on teammate drives so that he catches the ball for spot-ups (where his PPP craters).. This goes for all weak shooters - leave them open (help off them) when teammates are driving.

* Brace yourself for the spin move when you cut him off - that's his only real counter

* do NOT body him with your torso on the post or anytime that his back is to you - use a forearm in his back with plenty of distance (shut off the spin) and encourage him to shoot the turnaround or continue dribbling.. He uses spins to get closer to the rim for bully-ball and there's an optimal way to play against this kind of big man dribbler that uses a lot of spins (don't body them - use forearm)

* Lebron is defeated by teams that are able to make it an OFFENSIVE contest.. Otoh, he does better when it's a bruising defensive contest where his athleticism and strength has greater impact.. So let's turn it into a shoot-out where his brand of ball cannot keep up.

This is a better, more in depth report.

[SATAN]

Scout this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XWgRpfkxhY

:oldlol:

What a playoff run. Funny thing about that shot, I remember Durant almost talking it down..Like "it's just something you would do in practice"...next thing you know I noticed Durant trying to do it in games. Dude wants to be LeBron so bad. It's kinda pathetic.

[Axe]

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Here's a scouting report:


* Avoids contested jumpers... Prefers "lullaby" jumpers where he waits until defender relaxes and then steps back - DON'T RELAX

* His jumper rarely gets "hot", so he doesn't require a double-team to get the ball out of his hands on the perimeter.. Instead, we'll meet him in the paint with multiple defenders - so stay at home when he's on the perimeter and make him pound the rock as long as possible

* Implement a 2014 Spurs' strategy of making Lebron do what he doesn't want to do - i.e. make him have spot-up opportunities by helping off him when his teammates drive - aka leave him open on teammate drives so that he catches the ball for spot-ups (where his PPP craters).. This goes for all weak shooters - leave them open (help off them) when teammates are driving.

* Brace yourself for the spin move when you cut him off - that's his only real counter

* do NOT body him with your torso on the post or anytime that his back is to you - use a forearm in his back with plenty of distance (shut off the spin) and encourage him to shoot the turnaround or continue dribbling.. He uses spins to get closer to the rim for bully-ball and there's an optimal way to play against this kind of big man dribbler that uses a lot of spins (don't body them - use forearm)

* Lebron is defeated by teams that are able to make it an OFFENSIVE contest.. Otoh, he does better when it's a bruising defensive contest where his athleticism and strength has greater impact.. So let's turn it into a shoot-out where his brand of ball cannot keep up.
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[Full Court]

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Here's a scouting report:


* Avoids contested jumpers... Prefers "lullaby" jumpers where he waits until defender relaxes and then steps back - DON'T RELAX

* His jumper rarely gets "hot", so he doesn't require a double-team to get the ball out of his hands on the perimeter.. Instead, we'll meet him in the paint with multiple defenders - so stay at home when he's on the perimeter and make him pound the rock as long as possible

* Implement a 2014 Spurs' strategy of making Lebron do what he doesn't want to do - i.e. make him have spot-up opportunities by helping off him when his teammates drive - aka leave him open on teammate drives so that he catches the ball for spot-ups (where his PPP craters).. This goes for all weak shooters - leave them open (help off them) when teammates are driving.

* Brace yourself for the spin move when you cut him off - that's his only real counter

* do NOT body him with your torso on the post or anytime that his back is to you - use a forearm in his back with plenty of distance (shut off the spin) and encourage him to shoot the turnaround or continue dribbling.. He uses spins to get closer to the rim for bully-ball and there's an optimal way to play against this kind of big man dribbler that uses a lot of spins (don't body them - use forearm)

* Lebron is defeated by teams that are able to make it an OFFENSIVE contest.. Otoh, he does better when it's a bruising defensive contest where his athleticism and strength has greater impact.. So let's turn it into a shoot-out where his brand of ball cannot keep up.

That's actually a really good analysis. You should be a scout.

[Shooter]

The 2018 Toronto Raptors had a higher SRS than the BEST TEAM Jordan ever beat in the East.

[TheGoatest]

Kind of outweighs the scouting reports from internet troll alts living in their parents' basements. :roll:

[3ba11]

The 2018 Toronto Raptors had a higher SRS than the BEST TEAM Jordan ever beat in the East.


SRS League Ranking

18' Raptors..... #2........ Love averaged 21 on 48%

89' Cavs.......... #1..... Pippen averaged 15 on 40%



^^^^ so Lebron never defeated a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing)

Ball-dominators like Lebron can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams or carry bed-wetting teammates over top 5 SRS team, so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick that can nearly match his Finals scoring or perform well against top 5 SRS opponents like Love against Toronto

Otoh, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat top teams, so they can win Finals with secondary producers at sidekick or beat top teams with bed-wetting teammates like 89' Pippen

[Shooter]

The 2018 Toronto Raptors had a higher SRS than the BEST TEAM Jordan ever beat in the East...

Is it done now? :lol

[TheGoatest]

The 2018 Toronto Raptors had a higher SRS than the BEST TEAM Jordan ever beat in the East...

Is it done now? :lol

Damn. :oldlol:
And whereas jordon always had The Great Scott Pippen by his side, LeBron literally beat those Raptors by himself.

[8Ball]

The 2018 Toronto Raptors had a higher SRS than the BEST TEAM Jordan ever beat in the East...

Is it done now? :lol

Yeah the whole SRS argument is used by low IQ retards.


2018 raptors smashes all Jordan eastern opponents in SRS.

[8Ball]

Don't know all the details, apparently it was leaked by a former disgruntled Raps player who was on the team back then. They also apparently leaked scouting reports on John Wall & Bradley Beal too.

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2018-Playoff-Scouting-Report-leaked-on-LeBron-James-Wall-Beal.jpg

Just thought it'd make for an interesting read. Surprisingly things like LeCuck and 3/8 are never mentioned.

All correct except defense.

Bron swept that 2018 nearly 60 win raptors team with a box of scraps.

[8Ball]

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Here's a scouting report:


* Avoids contested jumpers... Prefers "lullaby" jumpers where he waits until defender relaxes and then steps back - DON'T RELAX

* His jumper rarely gets "hot", so he doesn't require a double-team to get the ball out of his hands on the perimeter.. Instead, we'll meet him in the paint with multiple defenders - so stay at home when he's on the perimeter and make him pound the rock as long as possible

* Implement a 2014 Spurs' strategy of making Lebron do what he doesn't want to do - i.e. make him have spot-up opportunities by helping off him when his teammates drive - aka leave him open on teammate drives so that he catches the ball for spot-ups (where his PPP craters).. This goes for all weak shooters - leave them open (help off them) when teammates are driving.

* Brace yourself for the spin move when you cut him off - that's his only real counter

* do NOT body him with your torso on the post or anytime that his back is to you - use a forearm in his back with plenty of distance (shut off the spin) and encourage him to shoot the turnaround or continue dribbling.. He uses spins to get closer to the rim for bully-ball and there's an optimal way to play against this kind of big man dribbler that uses a lot of spins (don't body them - use forearm)

* Lebron is defeated by teams that are able to make it an OFFENSIVE contest.. Otoh, he does better when it's a bruising defensive contest where his athleticism and strength has greater impact.. So let's turn it into a shoot-out where his brand of ball cannot keep up.

Raptors tried all of this and got swept.

[Kblaze8855]

I was listening to a podcast with an ex Suns video scout and he said they worked 17 hour days in the playoffs and the scouting reports were pretty much a book plus a dvd with examples of every player in every conceivable situation and their success rate attempting various things. They didn’t even expect most of it to be used but as he put it “If someone asked and you didn’t have it in the file that’s your ass”. Dude worked 800 days in a row creating video scouting reports and such to move up the ladder.

Point being…a real scouting report for the playoffs is way way way more than this suggests.

[90sgoat]

Can anyone believe a dumbass like JR Smith reading a complicated scouting report?

[Baller789]

Although far from perfect, 3ball's scouting report is actually better than the official one. One thing one has to add is player tendencies in detail.

[FKAri]

I was listening to a podcast with an ex Suns video scout and he said they worked 17 hour days in the playoffs and the scouting reports were pretty much a book plus a dvd with examples of every player in every conceivable situation and their success rate attempting various things. They didn’t even expect most of it to be used but as he put it “If someone asked and you didn’t have it in the file that’s your ass”. Dude worked 800 days in a row creating video scouting reports and such to move up the ladder.

Point being…a real scouting report for the playoffs is way way way more than this suggests.

This is what I've heard in baseball. They collect as much data as they can and the analytics team parses it into what's useful. And then after that the coaching staff decides what to show the player and what information to withhold from the player so as not to overload them (even if it's helpful in a vacuum). Finding that sweet spot where you know what to expect + adjust your approach as opposed to overthinking + messing up your approach.

[3ba11]

I was listening to a podcast with an ex Suns video scout and he said they worked 17 hour days in the playoffs and the scouting reports were pretty much a book plus a dvd with examples of every player in every conceivable situation and their success rate attempting various things. They didn’t even expect most of it to be used but as he put it “If someone asked and you didn’t have it in the file that’s your ass”. Dude worked 800 days in a row creating video scouting reports and such to move up the ladder.

Point being…a real scouting report for the playoffs is way way way more than this suggests.


Understanding the game would help these scouts rather than trying to track percentages for every play type and situation - that's both inefficient and ineffective

[WhiteKyrie]

Don't know all the details, apparently it was leaked by a former disgruntled Raps player who was on the team back then. They also apparently leaked scouting reports on John Wall & Bradley Beal too.

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2018-Playoff-Scouting-Report-leaked-on-LeBron-James-Wall-Beal.jpg

Just thought it'd make for an interesting read. Surprisingly things like LeCuck and 3/8 are never mentioned.

No but his basketball flaws that LeBron Stans don’t want to acknowledge are … Like being a piss poor on ball man defender, lazy defender in general, average mid range shooter, and shooter in general, can’t shoot going right on the pull up.

Which is why based on his mechanics in 2013 MJ said he’d make him go left because the mechanics of his jumper are easy to block and he prefers driving right to the hole. And then his apprentice Kobe stuffed his shit 2 times.

[8Ball]

Although far from perfect, 3ball's scouting report is actually better than the official one. One thing one has to add is player tendencies in detail.

They got swept doing everything 3ball wrote and they were a 59 win team and one of the top teams in the league.

[Kblaze8855]

Understanding the game would help these scouts rather than trying to track percentages for every play type and situation - that's both inefficient and ineffective

The way he has explained it over the years and things I’ve read suggests the video scouts are something of a data mine to create files the coaches can access for anything they might need to know…and not someone who builds a game plan. They don’t exist to point things out as much as have the answer to every question that has a verifiable answer. They work with assistant coaches and players but not about how to stop ____ . It’s…when Tony Parker is in with this lineup and he’s on this side of the floor what plays are they most likely to be running? That information is passed from scout to assistants and players who ask and perhaps to a head coach who can then relay it to the team on the fly or when they have an appropriately savy vet be remembered by him so he directs traffic.

The players who watch film get it from these guys in a file and it covers more team matters than individual tendencies. You might have something simple like what was posted but the meat of the work is about stopping often repeated plays. The OP is an 80 style report. The boiled down basics easy to copy/paste. A full modern report is a binder of information and a file on a cloud server the players can access with more information than they’ll ever need.

Teams are trying to score more points than the other team not just hold a guy who scores 27 a game to 22 when his team is gonna score 115 either way. I don’t think they see these things as individually as fans make it.

You don’t win because Lebron had 24 and not 27. You win when you recognize and well defend 70 of 104 sets they run and you make plays go to their final option which might then come down to something simple like an individuals tendencies.

They aren’t working 17 hour days to figure out how to keep Lebrons scoring down. They are trying to figure out how to keep 8 guys from scoring more than their 8. It’s us who focus for 48 minutes on what the big name is doing.

Teams don’t have to do all this prep on any one player. Stars are gonna get theirs for the most part. You gotta think big picture not about what the star might score. That’s what they are asked to do and why it takes so long. They need exhaustive reporting on things that will never make a highlight.

What the Cavs run with every possible 5 man lineup and what it’s designed to do is of more use than telling a guy who defended Lebron for 18 hours of his life already which way he wants to go.

[ShawkFactory]

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Here's a scouting report:


* Avoids contested jumpers... Prefers "lullaby" jumpers where he waits until defender relaxes and then steps back - DON'T RELAX

* His jumper rarely gets "hot", so he doesn't require a double-team to get the ball out of his hands on the perimeter.. Instead, we'll meet him in the paint with multiple defenders - so stay at home when he's on the perimeter and make him pound the rock as long as possible

* Implement a 2014 Spurs' strategy of making Lebron do what he doesn't want to do - i.e. make him have spot-up opportunities by helping off him when his teammates drive - aka leave him open on teammate drives so that he catches the ball for spot-ups (where his PPP craters).. This goes for all weak shooters - leave them open (help off them) when teammates are driving.

* Brace yourself for the spin move when you cut him off - that's his only real counter

* do NOT body him with your torso on the post or anytime that his back is to you - use a forearm in his back with plenty of distance (shut off the spin) and encourage him to shoot the turnaround or continue dribbling.. He uses spins to get closer to the rim for bully-ball and there's an optimal way to play against this kind of big man dribbler that uses a lot of spins (don't body them - use forearm)

* Lebron is defeated by teams that are able to make it an OFFENSIVE contest.. Otoh, he does better when it's a bruising defensive contest where his athleticism and strength has greater impact.. So let's turn it into a shoot-out where his brand of ball cannot keep up.
While none of this is wrong really, it’s only one side of the coin.

[Baller789]

They got swept doing everything 3ball wrote and they were a 59 win team and one of the top teams in the league.

So?
Its a scouting report.
Not the keys to life.