View Full Version : If by "all the time", Ham means Lebron will be starting PG, then that could work..
3ba11
07-28-2022, 07:11 PM
and DID work with Vogel in 2020
At point guard, Lebron's brand of ball isn't suboptimal
It's when he starts at forward that creates a 2-PG lineup (2 players with a PG hold-time (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=hold-time)) - these 2 PG lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 PG lineups, so the TEAM has low assists and struggles on the championship level, or generally underacheives the initial projection (preseason favorite from 11-16', 20-22')
1987_Lakers
07-28-2022, 07:13 PM
Lakers won 2 titles in the early 80's playing a 2 PG lineup with Magic & Nixon.
3ba11
07-28-2022, 07:26 PM
Lakers won 2 titles in the early 80's playing a 2 PG lineup with Magic & Nixon.
Norm and Magic were sidekicks to Kareem
And Norm was often a Paxson or Fisher-like jumpshooter - it wasn't 2 guys dominating the ball, including the 1st option like Lebron/Kyrie, for example.
Everything ran through Kareem, so they weren't actually a ball-dominant team
Part of the reason it worked perfectly with AD is because Lebron played Lebron started at PG so the team had less instances of multiple ball-dominators on the floor.
Also, AD led the team in scoring and transformed the defense from worst to first - Lebron had always needed juggernaut scoring help and he wasn't all-defense in his 30's
3ba11
07-28-2022, 09:20 PM
Lakers won 2 titles in the early 80's playing a 2 PG lineup with Magic & Nixon.
We don't have time of possession stats prior to 2014, but a point guard's hold-time is around 5.5 minutes or more based on available data since 2014.
Today's ball-dominant high-screen-roll yields this 5.5 minutes for many guys including Lebron/Westbrook or Lebron/Kyrie or Lebron/Wade/Chalmers... Otoh, Magic/Nixon got the ball to Kareem every play so they likely didn't have the high hold-times of today's pnr spammers...
Again, these hold-time stats are a modern statistic designed for the modern game (the perimeter game that MJ spearheaded), not the more center-oriented offenses of older eras
Shooter
07-29-2022, 01:45 AM
MJ has no "hold time" because he:
•sucks at playmaking
•sucks under pressure
•sucks at courtvision
•sucks at passing
•sucks at BBALL IQ
TheMan
07-29-2022, 02:53 AM
MJ has no "hold time" because he:
•sucks at playmaking
•sucks under pressure
•sucks at courtvision
•sucks at passing
•sucks at BBALL IQ
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jayfan
07-29-2022, 07:25 AM
Lebron has never not played point guard. He's next to useless without the ball in his hands.
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