The proper response when recruited by a super team right? This is what you all want?

[Kblaze8855]

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[Kblaze8855]

They talked about it on Deays podcast. He approached him and was basically told to **** off though they are friends.

Beal also refused when they wanted to trade for him and the wizards asked him(according to Windhorst who’s name I will not Google to ensure proper spelling).

This is what you want out of athletes yes? Refusal to jump ship to great team?

The praise is unanimous? Yes?

[FultzNationRISE]

My response when someone joins or rejects a super team:

“Ok.”

Guys have different motivations, different career goals, different perspectives. Why should any of that matter to me? It’s a basketball league. Theres no real life importance to who plays on what team.

People need to understand that not everyone has the same kind of enduring loyalty and commitment as LeHardestRoad. They need to be okay with that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They talked about it on Deays podcast. He approached him and was basically told to **** off though they are friends.

Beal also refused when they wanted to trade for him and the wizards asked him(according to Windhorst who’s name I will not Google to ensure proper spelling).

This jd what you want out of athletes yes? Refusal to jump ship to great team?

The praise is unanimous? Yes?
Assuming the superteam isn't the Celtics, right on. Some fans do want to see a dominant force (MJ's Bulls were as popular as anything) but if it's not the home team I hate it. They have no reason to care what I think and I still respect them overall but I would hold James' rings in Miami and Durants in G State in higher regard if they had done it with a higher level of adversity. The ring James got in Cleveland for example is about as great as I've ever seen anyone play.

[DMAVS41]

They talked about it on Deays podcast. He approached him and was basically told to **** off though they are friends.

Beal also refused when they wanted to trade for him and the wizards asked him(according to Windhorst who’s name I will not Google to ensure proper spelling).

This is what you want out of athletes yes? Refusal to jump ship to great team?

The praise is unanimous? Yes?

I know you aren't really asking...but just in case anyone forgot...according to the the savants here...

Beal is now a career loser that is afraid to try to win and isn't even as good as KCP because he decided to stay on the Wizards and accept the contract they offered him.

And if he asks for a trade down the road...he's going to be killed for that as well by a lot of the same people.

Virtually all but the 25 best players ever are in "no-win" situations with fans. Fans, even die-hard fans here, often don't comprehend how few guys in NBA history belong in the group of "can be the clear cut best player on a team that wins the title"...I don't know how exactly how many there are in history, but there aren't many.

[8Ball]

Demar had the same response when they told him to start shootings 3s.


Said no.


He is a contrarian even when wrong.

[MrFonzworth]

Demar had the same response when they told him to start shootings 3s.


Said no.


He is a contrarian even when wrong.

And you're a virgin

[90sgoat]

Warriors have done it exactly right these last couple of years.

Be bad when you need to be bad, due to injuries, get draft picks and get Jordan Poole. The Tim Duncan method.

And otherwise go look for talented players with a bad rep that would be good under a structured winning environment, Wiggins, the Rodman method.

Tried and tested.

GMs really need to pay attention. Go get a superstar that isn't an egomaniac and then keep a core going and supplement with the above.

Mavs seem to do something similar with a core of Luka, Kleber and Dorian Finney-Smith, even Dwight Powell. Mavs would be dumb to trade them.

[Stephonit]

Thank you DeMar for saving the Warriors from Draymond's antics and ensuring last year's championship.

[FilmyCogTurner]

I know you aren't really asking...but just in case anyone forgot...according to the the savants here...

Beal is now a career loser that is afraid to try to win and isn't even as good as KCP because he decided to stay on the Wizards and accept the contract they offered him.

And if he asks for a trade down the road...he's going to be killed for that as well by a lot of the same people.

Virtually all but the 25 best players ever are in "no-win" situations with fans. Fans, even die-hard fans here, often don't comprehend how few guys in NBA history belong in the group of "can be the clear cut best player on a team that wins the title"...I don't know how exactly how many there are in history, but there aren't many.

How is that a bad thing? Those that push through to dominance are then rewarded and regarded as the top players of all time.

You know what sucks worse? Having 50 players who all have equal footing to be held as a top 5 player of all time. Anyone who has ever laced up some sneakers on the hardwood can force themselves onto the Mount Rushmore of basketball if they have the skill set and determination to do so and if they can't or don't want to that's fine we still have other players to discuss who have earned that recognition.

[Real Men Wear Green]

How is that a bad thing? Those that push through to dominance are then rewarded and regarded as the top players of all time.

You know what sucks worse? Having 50 players who all have equal footing to be held as a top 5 player of all time. Anyone who has ever laced up some sneakers on the hardwood can force themselves onto the Mount Rushmore of basketball if they have the skill set and determination to do so and if they can't or don't want to that's fine we still have other players to discuss who have earned that recognition.

It's bad because it leads to players like KD and Lebron James creating super-teams to get the monkey off their back. Which is I suppose only a bad thing if you don't like super-teams but I don't like super-teams

[Kblaze8855]

How is that a bad thing? Those that push through to dominance are then rewarded and regarded as the top players of all time.

You know what sucks worse? Having 50 players who all have equal footing to be held as a top 5 player of all time. Anyone who has ever laced up some sneakers on the hardwood can force themselves onto the Mount Rushmore of basketball if they have the skill set and determination to do so and if they can't or don't want to that's fine we still have other players to discuss who have earned that recognition.


If the 50 are as good as the five nothing about acknowledging it sucks. Why exactly do we need to pretend two players are drastically different when they aren’t?

Do you take comfort in the ease going by ring count offers?

[bison]

They talked about it on Deays podcast. He approached him and was basically told to **** off though they are friends.

Beal also refused when they wanted to trade for him and the wizards asked him(according to Windhorst who’s name I will not Google to ensure proper spelling).

This is what you want out of athletes yes? Refusal to jump ship to great team?

The praise is unanimous? Yes?

Fans will say yes and then ridicule someone like Lillard for staying and ‘rotting’ in Portland.

[DMAVS41]

How is that a bad thing? Those that push through to dominance are then rewarded and regarded as the top players of all time.

You know what sucks worse? Having 50 players who all have equal footing to be held as a top 5 player of all time. Anyone who has ever laced up some sneakers on the hardwood can force themselves onto the Mount Rushmore of basketball if they have the skill set and determination to do so and if they can't or don't want to that's fine we still have other players to discuss who have earned that recognition.

It isn't really a "bad thing"...and I agree that the players that prove themselves as that deserve to be recognized...that wasn't my point.

My point was that really good players and even all-time greats are often treated as scrubs here because they aren't good enough to do something that maybe 20 guys in the history of the NBA have been good enough to do.

It's just annoying. I get hating the Beal contract as a fan...I really do, but to call him worse than KCP...I mean...and it isn't even that rare on here. Now Lillard isn't that good...etc.

The question I'd ask is...what do you all want to do with really good players that aren't good enough to be the clear best player on a title winning team? Cut them? Trade them? Lowball them on contracts?

The harsh reality is that if you don't have a Lebron or Giannis or Jokic or Leonard or Curry or Luka...etc....you likely aren't winning the title and you almost for sure aren't winning if you have a team built around a single star.

Like...should the Suns trade Booker and start over because he might not be good enough to be the best player on a team that wins the title?

I'm just trying to figure out what people here want the league to look like. Just tank every year until you get a guy you can be confident is good enough to be a top 25 player ever? All the while blaming guys like Lillard as if he's ever had a legit chance to win a damn thing in his career. I'm genuinely curious given the hate Lillard and Beal have gotten for doing exactly what fans here and everywhere claim they want when it comes to these guys forming superteams.

This is why I liked the Wolves taking a chance with Gobert. Everyone saying they gave up way too much has a complete misunderstanding of how hard it actually is to not only land a guy in the draft, but then build a contender around them. The Wolves had KG and couldn't do it...they had Love...and couldn't do it...they had Wiggins and had to attach assets just to move him. Now they are supposed to just run it back and for sure lose in the first or second round a few years so they can hope to land another stud in the draft or get a free agent? Mavericks fans like myself might have something to say about the draft / free agency. Should they have traded Towns for future draft capital?

This league is already top heavy enough...always has been and probably always will be considering the value of guys like Lebron/Giannis/Curry in terms of winning titles. But man...if teams just start trading their really good players for future draft capital...why even have a 30 team league at that point? Wouldn't even make sense.

[SouBeachTalents]

Fans will say yes and then ridicule someone like Lillard for staying and ‘rotting’ in Portland.
Yep, basically if you're not drafted by an elite team/smart front office, you either end up a colluder or a ringless loser.

[3ba11]

The praise is unanimous? Yes?





Depends

Was there another star that had hand-picked a preseason favorite and super-team for the previous 6 years??

Did this move lock down the league with 3 chips in 6 years and rob organic chips from all the best players, aka 12' Durant, 13' Duncan, 16' Curry???

If that was the context, than I'm sure everyone would be happy that DeRozan hand-picked the preseason favorite after the other dude did so the previous 6 years and locked down the league.

People would be happy for a change

If the primary competition starts colluding, then everyone must follow.. Btw, it would be particularly galling if the original "decision" to collude happened in a woat conference that was going to be wide open for the next decade - a precise execution of deck-stacking and resume manufacturing