View Full Version : 3ball just claimed Kobe played better in 2000 finals than LeBron did in 2009 ECF
For reference LeBron put up 38.5 PPG on 59.1 TS%. Kobe put up 15.6 PPG on 41.1 TS% while his teammate averaged 38.0/16.7 on 57.6 TS%.
Stupidest poster ever?
Sulico
08-02-2022, 02:42 AM
If he truly believes that, yes. But I don't think he does, gun to his head, he would admit this is just a schtick.
Spurs m8
08-02-2022, 03:20 AM
Better start a thread and have another cry about 3ball
warriorfan
08-02-2022, 03:44 AM
Better start a thread and have another cry about 3ball
:roll:
TheGoatest
08-02-2022, 04:05 AM
Stupidest poster ever?
As long as you don't count all of his alts as separate posters.
If he truly believes that, yes. But I don't think he does, gun to his head, he would admit this is just a schtick.
Idk he’s quite unhinged.
bison
08-02-2022, 09:50 AM
Better start a thread and have another cry about 3ball
:roll:
ShawkFactory
08-02-2022, 10:05 AM
I don't care..
Kblaze8855
08-02-2022, 10:14 AM
Hes skip Bayless turning a Bill Russell tribute into a criticism of Lebron for not leading the people tweeting condolences. It’s “Are you ****ing serious right now?” nonsense to get you to talk about it. His win is when it bothers you enough to bring it up.
light
08-02-2022, 08:15 PM
For reference LeBron put up 38.5 PPG on 59.1 TS%. Kobe put up 15.6 PPG on 41.1 TS% while his teammate averaged 38.0/16.7 on 57.6 TS%.
Stupidest poster ever?
3Ball is a Kobe stan that is struggling to cope with the fact that the player he hates - LeBron - has taken over Kobe's team and subjugated all of Lakers nation that used to (still do) hate him. It was the ultimate boss move by The King.
3Ball and every other Lakers fan like 3Ball was conquered by LeBron. That's their struggle.
MrFonzworth
08-02-2022, 11:13 PM
Better start a thread and have another cry about 3ball
:lol
Phoenix
08-03-2022, 05:54 AM
Hes skip Bayless turning a Bill Russell tribute into a criticism of Lebron for not leading the people tweeting condolences. It’s “Are you ****ing serious right now?” nonsense to get you to talk about it. His win is when it bothers you enough to bring it up.
Yep.
3ba11
08-03-2022, 01:13 PM
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Clutch PPG (last 5 within 5)
00' Kobe Finals..... 8.0 on 60%.. 0.3 tov.. took over OT game
09' Lebron ECF...... 5.8 on 56%.. 1.2 tov.. ragdolled in OT game
* Lebron lost 3 fourth quarter leads in series
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
The clutch numbers speak for themselves.
Both series were decided on a few clutch possessions - Kobe personally won those possessions so the Lakers won, while Lebron personally lost those possessions, so the Cavs lost as a historic favorite.
That's the historical record - Lebron didn't learn how to perform under pressure until Wade taught him in Miami.. Again, that's the historical record.
Heck, Lebron turned the ball over 1.2 times in the clutch versus 0.8 assists - that's like getting 8 assists in a game and 12 turnovers.. This is literally what happened
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Clutch PPG (last 5 within 5)
00' Kobe Finals..... 8.0 on 60%.. 0.3 tov.. took over OT game
09' Lebron ECF...... 5.8 on 56%.. 1.2 tov.. ragdolled in OT game
* Lebron lost 3 fourth quarter leads in series
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
The clutch numbers speak for themselves.
Both series were decided on a few clutch possessions - Kobe personally won those possessions so the Lakers won, while Lebron personally lost those possessions, so the Cavs lost as a historic favorite.
That's the historical record - Lebron didn't learn how to perform under pressure until Wade taught him in Miami.. Again, that's the historical record.
Heck, Lebron turned the ball over 1.2 times in the clutch versus 0.8 assists - that's like getting 8 assists in a game and 12 turnovers.. This is literally what happened
Game winners
LeBron 09 ECF: 1
Kobe: 0
And LeBron also sent another game to OT with last second free throws. Yikes.
3ba11
08-03-2022, 01:28 PM
Game winners
LeBron 09 ECF: 1
Kobe: 0
And LeBron also sent another game to OT with last second free throws. Yikes.
The clutch numbers speak for themselves.
Both series were decided on a few clutch possessions - Kobe personally won those possessions so the Lakers won, while Lebron personally lost those possessions, so the Cavs lost as a historic favorite.
That's the historical record - Lebron didn't learn how to perform under pressure until Wade taught him in Miami.. Again, that's the historical record.
Heck, Lebron turned the ball over 1.2 times in the clutch versus 0.8 assists - that's like getting 8 assists in a game and 12 turnovers.. This is literally what happened
The clutch numbers speak for themselves.
Both series were decided on a few clutch possessions - Kobe personally won those possessions so the Lakers won, while Lebron personally lost those possessions, so the Cavs lost as a historic favorite.
That's the historical record - Lebron didn't learn how to perform under pressure until Wade taught him in Miami.. Again, that's the historical record.
Heck, Lebron turned the ball over 1.2 times in the clutch versus 0.8 assists - that's like getting 8 assists in a game and 12 turnovers.. This is literally what happened
Spamming doesn’t refute what I said. Perhaps you’re too stupid to realize it but the only reason the Lakers needed “clutch time” was because Kobe was playing horribly. 15.6 PPG on 41.1% TS is probably the worst finals line ever for an ATG.
ShawkFactory
08-03-2022, 01:40 PM
Spamming doesn’t refute what I said. Perhaps you’re too stupid to realize it but the only reason the Lakers needed “clutch time” was because Kobe was playing horribly. 15.6 PPG on 41.1% TS is probably the worst finals line ever for an ATG.
Why don't you read over Kblaze's post again:
Hes skip Bayless turning a Bill Russell tribute into a criticism of Lebron for not leading the people tweeting condolences. It’s “Are you ****ing serious right now?” nonsense to get you to talk about it. His win is when it bothers you enough to bring it up.
3ba11
08-03-2022, 01:40 PM
Spamming doesn’t refute what I said. Perhaps you’re too stupid to realize it but the only reason the Lakers needed “clutch time” was because Kobe was playing horribly. 15.6 PPG on 41.1% TS is probably the worst finals line ever for an ATG.
Go back and watch the critical Game 4 OT that decided the 09' ECF....
lebron wet the bed and was RAGDOLLED by dwight (a non-top-75 player)
Now go watch the OT game from the 00' Finals that swung the series and prevented a Game 7
KOBE was the ragdoller (in historic, legendary fashion)
Do you see the difference?...Night and day... Carry on
Again, Lebron didn't learn how to perform under pressure until Wade taught him in Miami.. that's the historical record.
Go back and watch the critical Game 4 OT that decided the 09' ECF....
lebron wet the bed and was RAGDOLLED by dwight (a non-top-75 player)
Now go watch the OT game from the 00' Finals that swung the series and prevented a Game 7
KOBE was the ragdoller (in historic, legendary fashion)
Do you see the difference?...Night and day... Carry on
LeBron literally sent that game to OT with last second free throws that’s the definition of clutch. He also put up 44 points on 59.6%. Your standards for LeBron are “flawless or he sucks” while your standards for Kobe are “hit a few shots and you’re amazing even if you play like the worst player ever the rest of the game”, it’s clear who you think is better :yaohappy:
3ba11
08-03-2022, 01:56 PM
LeBron literally sent that game to OT with last second free throws that’s the definition of clutch. He also put up 44 points on 59.6%. Your standards for LeBron are “flawless or he sucks” while your standards for Kobe are “hit a few shots and you’re amazing even if you play like the worst player ever the rest of the game”, it’s clear who you think is better :yaohappy:
Lebron was 2-9 in the OT with 4 TO
Dwight was 6-6 with no TO's
So Lebron choked in the critical OT that swing the series, while Kobe had legendary clutch in the 00' OT
Lebron was 2-9 in the OT with 4 TO
Dwight was 6-6 with no TO's
So Lebron choked in the critical OT that swing the series, while Kobe had legendary clutch in the 00' OT
LeBron was tired from carrying a bunch of scrubs nonstop and Kobe had lots of energy because he just sat there doing nothing most of the game while Shaq dominated. How are you this stupid?
How come you hold LeBron to so much higher standards than Kobe? Must be because you think LeBrons better
3ba11
08-03-2022, 02:01 PM
LeBron was tired from carrying a bunch of scrubs nonstop and Kobe had lots of energy because he just sat there doing nothing most of the game while Shaq dominated. How are you this stupid?
How come you hold LeBron to so much higher standards than Kobe? Must be because you think LeBrons better
Lebron can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams (too ball-dominant), so he needs all-time scorers and elite 1st options at sidekick to nearly match his scoring against Finals teams.
Otoh, guys that can play off-ball like Kobe, Curry or MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary producers at sidekick like Wiggins, Pippen or Pau
Lebron can't carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat Finals teams (too ball-dominant), so he needs all-time scorers and elite 1st options at sidekick to nearly match his scoring against Finals teams.
Otoh, guys that can play off-ball like Kobe, Curry or MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand and efficiency to beat Finals teams, so they can win with secondary producers at sidekick like Wiggins, Pippen or Pau
Resorts to spam cuz he can’t refute what I said :yaohappy:
How come you hold LeBron to a much higher standard than Kobe? :confusedshrug:
3ba11
08-03-2022, 02:05 PM
Resorts to spam cuz he can’t refute what I said :yaohappy:
How come you hold LeBron to a much higher standard than Kobe? :confusedshrug:
Read that last post - Kobe has the higher standard (carrying the scoring load vs sharing it like Lebron does)
Read that last post - Kobe has the higher standard (carrying the scoring load vs sharing it like Lebron does)
But you’re lying. You give Kobe credit for terrible series’ and criticize LeBron for excellent series’ (including ones he won like 2016).
RogueBorg
08-03-2022, 02:43 PM
LeBron was tired from carrying a bunch of scrubs nonstop
No way dude. This is what Lebron does. His career is replete with examples of disappearing in the last 5 minutes of games and OT.
It's the same thing as him not knowing they had a TO remaining in game 1 of the NBA Finals which allowed the whole J.R. Smith fiasco to occur. And to top that off he threw in the towel in OT.
It's in Lebron's DNA to disappear.
No way dude. This is what Lebron does. His career is replete with examples of disappearing in the last 5 minutes of games and OT.
It's the same thing as him not knowing they had a TO remaining in game 1 of the NBA Finals which allowed the whole J.R. Smith fiasco to occur. And to top that off he threw in the towel in OT.
It's in Lebron's DNA to disappear.
Most playoff game winners of all time. Whoops.
RogueBorg
08-03-2022, 02:53 PM
Most playoff game winners of all time. Whoops.
15 seasons of not winning it all...whoops
3ba11
08-03-2022, 02:53 PM
Most playoff game winners of all time. Whoops.
MJ was 9-18
So he's the only guy who wasn't scared, aka his efficiency didn't drop in the clutch
Otoh, Lebron shoots badly in the clutch and is 0-10 in the Finals (not good enough to hit on the championship level)
ShawkFactory
08-03-2022, 02:57 PM
MJ was 9-18
So he's the only guy who wasn't scared, aka his efficiency didn't drop in the clutch
Otoh, Lebron shoots badly in the clutch and is 0-10 in the Finals (not good enough to hit on the championship level)
:oldlol:
15 seasons of not winning it all...whoops
4 years of winning it all. Whoops.
But you’re lying. You give Kobe credit for terrible series’ and criticize LeBron for excellent series’ (including ones he won like 2016).
Stumped him again.
3ba11
08-03-2022, 09:36 PM
But you’re lying. You give Kobe credit for terrible series’ and criticize LeBron for excellent series’ (including ones he won like 2016).
Kobe scored 8 ppg in the clutch, which was more than half his average - so he literally let Shaq dominate for 40 minutes and then turned into Jordan for clutch-time
His goat clutch in that series and for those playoffs is literally goat-level - therefore he didn't play "bad" in that series
Otoh, Lebron usually wet the bed in clutch-time with low-scoring, horrific efficiency and kindergarten-level turnover MACHINE (12 TO's per game pace in clutch-time of 09' ECF).
He's 0-10 on clutch shots in the Finals (tie or go-ahead in last 24 seconds).
I guess it's fair to say that Lebron becomes Westbrook in clutch-time - the stats don't lie.. This negates any gaudy stats that he might out up.
Kobe scored 8 ppg in the clutch, which was more than half his average - so he literally let Shaq dominate for 40 minutes and then turned into Jordan for clutch-time
His goat clutch in that series and for those playoffs is literally goat-level - therefore he didn't play "bad" in that series
Otoh, Lebron usually wet the bed in clutch-time with low-scoring, horrific efficiency and kindergarten-level turnover MACHINE (12 TO's per game pace in clutch-time of 09' ECF).
He's 0-10 on clutch shots in the Finals (tie or go-ahead in last 24 seconds).
I guess it's fair to say that Lebron becomes Westbrook in clutch-time - the stats don't lie.. This negates any gaudy stats that he might out up.
There is no universe in which 15.6 PPG on 41.1 TS% isn’t bad. Why do you hold LeBron to so much higher of a standard? You can’t even admit he played amazing in the 2016 finals.
3ba11
08-03-2022, 09:47 PM
There is no universe in which 15.6 PPG on 41.1 TS% isn’t bad. Why do you hold LeBron to so much higher of a standard? You can’t even admit he played amazing in the 2016 finals.
Kobe was a 2nd option, so it isn't that horrific
Otoh, Lebron was a 1st option and therefore required to perform well in the clutch - so he failed his mandatory obligation as 1st option, while 2nd option Kobe covered for Shaq in the clutch so the Lakers could win
SouBeachTalents
08-03-2022, 09:49 PM
Kobe was a 2nd option, so it isn't that horrific
Otoh, Lebron was a 1st option and therefore required to perform well in the clutch - so he failed his mandatory obligation as 1st option, while 2nd option Kobe covered for Shaq in the clutch so the Lakers could win
Welp, there goes the Pippen talking points :lol
Kobe was a 2nd option, so it isn't that horrific
Otoh, Lebron was a 1st option and therefore required to perform well in the clutch - so he failed his mandatory obligation as 1st option, while 2nd option Kobe covered for Shaq in the clutch so the Lakers could win
Kobe was a second option because he had peak Shaq. LeBron had Mo Williams. :yaohappy:
Well, there goes the Pippen talking points :lol
He can’t stop contradicting himself :lol
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
08-03-2022, 09:51 PM
The deranged Kobe stan chose Bean>Lebron. More news at 11 :lol
3ba11
08-03-2022, 09:54 PM
Well, there go the Pippen talking points :lol
Pippen had many series where he didn't score a single point in clutch-time, just like Lebron in the 11' Finals.. Jordan won 6 chips with 11' Finals-Lebron... :bowdown:
So you can't compare Pippen's 15 on 34% to Kobe's.. Night and day.. Kobe required game-planning - he wasn't just a transition/hustler that wasn't on the scouting report (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif) like Pippen.
The deranged Kobe stan chose Bean>Lebron. More news at 11 :lol
It’s one thing to rank Kobe over LeBron. It’s another to say Kobe’s possible worst series ever was better than one of LeBron’s best just because of team results.
Pippen had many series where he didn't score a single point in clutch-time, just like Lebron in the 11' Finals.. Jordan won 6 chips with 11' Finals-Lebron... :bowdown:
So you can't compare Pippen's 15 on 34% to Kobe's.. Night and day.. Kobe required game-planning - he wasn't just a transition/hustler that wasn't on the scouting report (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif) like Pippen.
Even I know Pippen had a good post game lol. Also citation needed.
3ba11
08-03-2022, 10:04 PM
It’s one thing to rank Kobe over LeBron. It’s another to say Kobe’s possible worst series ever was better than one of LeBron’s best just because of team results.
1st options are REQUIRED to come thru in the clutch
Lebron failed this duty, which negates his gaudy stat-padding style and stats
Otoh, Kobe had no requirements as 2nd option.. Yet he still came through like Jordan in clutch-time - so Kobe is vastly exceeding his role as 2nd option, while Lebron fails his mandatory obligation as 1st option to close
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
08-03-2022, 10:04 PM
It’s one thing to rank Kobe over LeBron. It’s another to say Kobe’s possible worst series ever was better than one of LeBron’s best just because of team results.
Hence, deranged.
You've been here for years bruh. When it comes to slighting Lebron, you know that 3ball will say ANYTHING. :oldlol:
1st options are REQUIRED to come thru in the clutch
Lebron failed this duty, which negates his gaudy stat-padding style and stats
Otoh, Kobe had no requirements as 2nd option.. Yet he still came through like Jordan in clutch-time - so Kobe is vastly exceeding his role as 2nd option, while Lebron fails his mandatory obligation as 1st option to close
Hitting game winners is coming through in the clutch. You're steaming.
Hence, deranged.
You've been here for years bruh. When it comes to slighting Lebron, you know that 3ball will say ANYTHING. :oldlol:
Poor guy is probably babbling to himself in a nursing home. They let him come here so he gets some socialization I guess.
kawhileonard2
08-03-2022, 11:16 PM
For reference LeBron put up 38.5 PPG on 59.1 TS%. Kobe put up 15.6 PPG on 41.1 TS% while his teammate averaged 38.0/16.7 on 57.6 TS%.
Stupidest poster ever?
Well if he means that Kobe won as the favorite and Lebron lost as the favorite to a team who had no business in the finals that is true.
Well if he means that Kobe won as the favorite and Lebron lost as the favorite to a team who had no business in the finals that is true.
Kobe had peak Shaq. Why do you struggle to comprehend simple logic? Brain damage?
kawhileonard2
08-03-2022, 11:54 PM
Kobe had peak Shaq. Why do you struggle to comprehend simple logic? Brain damage?
Lebron had Shaq when he already won 3 finals mvp's and a league mvp, Kobe had Shaq when Shaq had 0 of both.
3ba11
08-03-2022, 11:54 PM
Hitting game winners is coming through in the clutch. You're steaming.
In addition to being inferior to Kobe's, Lebron's clutch stats in the 09' ECF translated to 12 turnovers per game - he becomes Westbrook in the clutch, which is why he's #1 all-time in turnovers
Lebron had Shaq when he already won 3 finals mvp's and a league mvp, Kobe had Shaq when Shaq had 0 of both.
So Shaq was better with LeBron than he was with Kobe? That's what you're saying? :yaohappy:
LeBron makes me poop my adult diapers in rage and I live in a nursing home ever since he destroyed my feeble old mind.
:lol
Phoenix
08-04-2022, 03:24 AM
There is no universe in which 15.6 PPG on 41.1 TS% isn’t bad.
Kobe was a 2nd option, so it isn't that horrific
How interesting.
89 Pippen
Johnny32
08-04-2022, 08:50 AM
3Ball is a Kobe stan that is struggling to cope with the fact that the player he hates - LeBron - has taken over Kobe's team and subjugated all of Lakers nation that used to (still do) hate him. It was the ultimate boss move by The King.
3Ball and every other Lakers fan like 3Ball was conquered by LeBron. That's their struggle.
lol gotta love it.
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