Can you build a team to win a ring today with nobody who ever shot 35% from 3?

[Kblaze8855]

Regular line or moved in. Flat 35% as the max they ever shot from 3. If they have so much as one 34 game season shooting 35.1 on 15 attempts they’re out. In fact let’s make that the standard. At least 15 attempts in the season that disqualifies them so I’m not taking away people who made one three on a heave in a season.

You could obviously make a goat inside lineup but I don’t know who you get for guards. You could take some 60s and 70s players but I don’t think many of you would. You actually can’t even get Pistol Pete. He made too many on too high a percentage in 1980.

Give me your core if a whole lineup is too much work(and it probably is…I couldn’t use 80% of the people I thought I could).

[Kblaze8855]

The easiest path is that you have both Shaq and Wade. I thought I could add Rod Strickland and Demar but no. Demar shot too well in 2022. I could have used him before that.


Best you can do might be Ben Simmons, Wade, and Shaq but be able to add absolutely no shooting. I thought I might be able to get Antione Walker to help but no.

No KG either.

More potential floor spacing bigs than you think had like 1 year shooting a few threes. I wanted Shawn Kemp. Nope.

You can have Barkley. No Malone.


Eric Snow or Kevin Ollie?
Wade
Ben Simmons
Barkley
Shaq



Would they win on sheer physical dominance? No spacing at all?

Can this weakness be overcome with defense and slashing?

[SouBeachTalents]

Isiah
Wade
Worthy
Duncan
Shaq

[RRR3]

Not the way the game is played. If the rules were changed yes.

[Kblaze8855]

Id like to see how they do vs a team that took 50 threes. I feel like Wade would take a few but he’s not gonna go totally to the dark side and start gunning. Isiah would probably embrace it. Duncan and Worthy would almost have to. You imagine them spacing the floor enough to keep doubleteams off Shaqs neck?

Boy would I hate to see some coach try to make Duncan stand in a corner.

Maybe use Duncan as a screener up top to keep him out of Shaqs way. Let Wade and Isiah drive all game when Shaq isn’t being posted up.

Id love to see the team but I’d hate watching how a modern offense would try to bend them from their natural shape to fit this bullshit we call basketball.

[Soundwave]

I mean yeah sure ... it wouldn't even be that terribly hard

C - Shaq
PF - Barkley
SF - Rodman
SG - Simmons
PG - Wade

I'm pretty sure would easily win an NBA title. Not just win, but easily win. Like honestly you don't even need Simmons on this roster, just get any random NCAA Div 1 player to play PG and move Wade to SG and they would still win a title.

This team would murder everyone on the offensive glass and get so many extra offensive possessions.

[Carbine]

I'm not going to even try and space the floor here. We are going to play as slow as possible and hopefully our size and skill just dominates in the half court.

Shaq
Duncan
Kareem
David Robinson
Wade

I'd have to think they win a title even without the barrage of 3s.

[Soundwave]

I think technically Duncan had a season where he shot 40 percent from the 3 but probably only took like three 3s total or some shit during the season, lol.

[Kblaze8855]

I mean yeah sure ... it wouldn't even be that terribly hard

C - Shaq
PF - Barkley
SF - Rodman
SG - Simmons
PG - Wade

I'm pretty sure would easily win an NBA title. Not just win, but easily win. Like honestly you don't even need Simmons on this roster, just get any random NCAA Div 1 player to play PG and move Wade to SG and they would still win a title.

This team would murder everyone on the offensive glass and get so many extra offensive possessions.


I feel like a team would figure out how to double three of those guys on every catch in a series.

[Kblaze8855]

I think technically Duncan had a season where he shot 40 percent from the 3 but probably only took like three 3s total or some shit during the season, lol.


Its amazing how close Luka is to being an option.

[Soundwave]

I feel like a team would figure out how to double three of those guys on every catch in a series.

You can't double all of Shaq, Barkley, and Wade. There's no team in the current NBA that would beat that squad, no way if all these players are in their absolute peak/prime.

Defensively they would be incredible too.

[Kblaze8855]

You can't double all of Shaq, Barkley, and Wade. There's no team in the current NBA that would beat that squad, no way.

Defensively they would be incredible too.



I would find a way.

I would instruct my players to literally look at Ben and Rodman and say “Shoot it bitch. We ain’t coming.”.

Rodman could make a three if he wanted it but I’ll live with it and whatever cuts to the basket they can get.

[Soundwave]

I would find a way.

I would instruct my players to literally look at Ben and Rodman and say “Shoot it bitch. We ain’t coming.”.

Rodman could make a three if he wanted it but I’ll live with it and whatever cuts to the basket they can get.


I mean it's not like teams never double teamed Shaq (or Barkley or Wade for that matter), lol, in their prime, it's extremely difficult to even slow down these players with a double team.

Shaq would still get his points and a boatload of rebounds and blocks.

I think honestly prime Shaq + prime Wade with three other average players would win a title, Rodman, Barkley, and Simmons are all well above average.

[jlip]

Isiah Thomas- pg
Dwyane Wade- sg
Alex English- sf (Had two seasons shooting over 35% from three but only took 5 each season)
Dennis Rodman- pf
David Robinson-c

[jayfan]

Isiah
Wade
Worthy
Duncan
Shaq


Sheeeiit. This team's winning rings.

.

[Soundwave]

Yeah, Isiah Thomas is an option ... lol so this becomes quite easy then as you're literally getting one of the greatest PGs ever.

PG - Isiah
SG - Wade
SF - Barkley
PF - D. Robinson
C - Shaq

You could have Kareem at PF as well, I just chose DRob because I think he can run the floor more and can play further out from the basket than Shaq.

I might be tempted to go with Rodman over Barkley at SF ... do you really need that much scoring? Maybe have a 6'8 guy who's just obsessed with D is the better way to go. Even Ben Simmons might not be a bad fit there.

[Soundwave]

Isiah Thomas
James Worthy
David Robinson

Are available under the criteria of the OP.

Tim Duncan is not. Now that I know Worthy is available, this is pretty easy

PG - Isiah
SG - Wade
SF - Worthy
PF - D. Robinson
C - Shaq

That's the best team in NBA history, it's not even I think all that close. I don't think any team in any era could beat that team unless they're all hung over.

[Kblaze8855]

I mean it's not like teams never double teamed Shaq (or Barkley or Wade for that matter), lol, in their prime, it's extremely difficult to even slow down these players with a double team.

Shaq would still get his points and a boatload of rebounds and blocks.

I think honestly prime Shaq + prime Wade with three other average players would win a title, Rodman, Barkley, and Simmons are all well above average.


Well no it isn’t a question of if they’re talented enough to win. They would be more talented than anyone. It’s just a matter of if having more talent wins when you make 4 threes and the other team makes 22. That’s quite a cushion to spot a team like say…the Bucks…who also has firepower inside.

[jayfan]

Isiah Thomas
James Worthy
David Robinson

Are available under the criteria of the OP.

Tim Duncan is not. Now that I know Worthy is available, this is pretty easy

PG - Isiah
SG - Wade
SF - Worthy
PF - D. Robinson
C - Shaq

That's the best team in NBA history, it's not even I think all that close. I don't think any team in any era could beat that team unless they're all hung over.


Yeah. Very little drop-off, if any, with Robinson on this squad instead of Duncan.

No one's beating them.

[RRR3]

I'm not going to even try and space the floor here. We are going to play as slow as possible and hopefully our size and skill just dominates in the half court.

Shaq
Duncan
Kareem
David Robinson
Wade

I'd have to think they win a title even without the barrage of 3s.
Playing four centers? :roll: :roll: :roll:


BBQ chicken on the perimeter.

[RRR3]

Well no it isn’t a question of if they’re talented enough to win. They would be more talented than anyone. It’s just a matter of if having more talent wins when you make 4 threes and the other team makes 22. That’s quite a cushion to spot a team like say…the Bucks…who also has firepower inside.
Yes. This exactly. Math doesn’t add up. You’d have to have rules allowing intense perimeter defense so open 3s aren’t spammed.

[Overdrive]

Well no it isn’t a question of if they’re talented enough to win. They would be more talented than anyone. It’s just a matter of if having more talent wins when you make 4 threes and the other team makes 22. That’s quite a cushion to spot a team like say…the Bucks…who also has firepower inside.

I doubt a team of Wade, Rodman, Robinson and Shaq at heir peak would allow 22 good looks from 3.

[Soundwave]

Playing four centers? :roll: :roll: :roll:


BBQ chicken on the perimeter.


I think people might be surprised how well David Robinson and Kareem in their 20s would be able to close on the perimeter provided that they don't have to exert nearly as much of their energy on offence (take a rest, let Shaq or Wade punish the crap outta the opponent and when you feel like it, you can get yours too).

Bigs like that don't often expend energy closing on 3s because they also have to expend so much energy banging down low and getting rebounds and stuff, but if they are freed up from that, I could see them slapping a lot of those 3 attempts right back in the shooter's face.

[jlip]

Isiah Thomas- pg
Dwyane Wade- sg
Alex English- sf (Had two seasons shooting over 35% from three but only took 5 each season)
Dennis Rodman- pf
David Robinson-c

I started to include Horace Grant as my pf as he could provide a little spacing being a very solid mid range shooting big man who also provided good interior defense.

[Kblaze8855]

I doubt a team of Wade, Rodman, Robinson and Shaq at heir peak would allow 22 good looks from 3.


Teams stopped caring if a look was good in like 2010. At this point they shoot it as much for the spacing as the points. The points are extra and all the practice makes them all good at bad shots.

Scrubs out here taking contested transition 26 footers. They don’t need 22 good looks. 50 “meh” looks with 10 of them open gets them 20 makes with the right lineup.

They aren’t fundamentally sound but the math adds up and once you honor that shot there’s almost no way to keep people out of the lane with modern rules.

[Soundwave]

I mean it's not like guys like Rodman or even David Robinson can't defend out to the 3 point line. It's not what they normally do, but they do have the foot speed to do it and because of their height and length they can close on shooters if they really have to. And Isiah and Wade certainly have the speed to contest shots on the perimeter.

You're not going to get as many casual "come down and you're wide open" looks ... because if you're going to bet everything on winning by 3 pointer, OK, the coach of Team All-Star is going to adjust for that and focus all their defensive energy on not giving you anything mid-range or in the key, but if you to shoot 3s, they have athletes that can get out there and hound you there too.

[Johnny32]

i think you can pretty easily going full roster.

[RRR3]

I think people might be surprised how well David Robinson and Kareem in their 20s would be able to close on the perimeter provided that they don't have to exert nearly as much of their energy on offence (take a rest, let Shaq or Wade punish the crap outta the opponent and when you feel like it, you can get yours too).

Bigs like that don't often expend energy closing on 3s because they also have to expend so much energy banging down low and getting rebounds and stuff, but if they are freed up from that, I could see them slapping a lot of those 3 attempts right back in the shooter's face.
When has a team ever played four centers let alone in today’s era :roll:

[Johnny32]

ben simmons, reggie (4 blks on mj) lewis, josh smith on the roster?

[RRR3]

ben simmons, reggie (4 blks on mj) lewis, josh smith on the roster?
Lol hideous spacing. Dummy32 at it again.

[Johnny32]

Lol hideous spacing. Dummy32 at it again.

it's like she has no clue what topic she's posting in.

[RRR3]

it's like she has no clue what topic she's posting in.
I already said it’s impossible for any of these teams to win but you didn’t even pick legends you picked the likes of Josh Smith lmaooo

[Johnny32]

I already said it’s impossible for any of these teams to win but you didn’t even pick legends you picked the likes of Josh Smith lmaooo

lol i'm building a full roster though but that was funny.

[Overdrive]

Teams stopped caring if a look was good in like 2010. At this point they shoot it as much for the spacing as the points. The points are extra and all the practice makes them all good at bad shots.

Scrubs out here taking contested transition 26 footers. They don’t need 22 good looks. 50 “meh” looks with 10 of them open gets them 20 makes with the right lineup.

They aren’t fundamentally sound but the math adds up and once you honor that shot there’s almost no way to keep people out of the lane with modern rules.

Yeah teams take shitty pull up threes on the regular now, but Warriors aside do you really think a team can score 100 against them on average? Lets say they give up 22 threes on 58 attemps this team most likely takes most rebounds. Depending on the PG they won't leave much space for midrange shots and they can easily defend the lane aside from Shaq all the others are tenacious, smart and very quick defenders - no matter if you trap below halfcourt, switchall or hard hedge screens these guys can do it and at their peak for atleast 40mpg. I don't think teams would be able to get as many drive and kick chances or open lay ups as they do now.

Switch out Shaq for Hakeem or Wilt.

Let's say

Frazier
Wade
Rodman
2 of Wilt/Shaq/Hakeem/Robinson

Aside from Rodman they're all good to AT great from 2. Great defenders. Even Shaq at his peak was really really good. Outside he still was a force who altered lay ups by simply existing. They can run the floor or slow down the game. They'll have a huge rebound advantage both at offensive and defense. They'll make higher quality shots at a higher rate with more possesssions. I think it would certainly be close. Also you could slide in Jerry West at the 1 or 2. Defense would still be great, but his shooting would obviously above anyone else on the team, but I feel that's cheating. He's obviously a player who'd have atleast a 353p% season if he came into the NBA in 2012.

[RRR3]

Yeah teams take shitty pull up threes on the regular now, but Warriors aside do you really think a team can score 100 against them on average? Lets say they give up 22 threes on 58 attemps this team most likely takes most rebounds. Depending on the PG they won't leave much space for midrange shots and they can easily defend the lane aside from Shaq all the others are tenacious, smart and very quick defenders - no matter if you trap below halfcourt, switchall or hard hedge screens these guys can do it and at their peak for atleast 40mpg. I don't think teams would be able to get as many drive and kick chances or open lay ups as they do now.

Switch out Shaq for Hakeem or Wilt.

Let's say

Frazier
Wade
Rodman
2 of Wilt/Shaq/Hakeem/Robinson

Aside from Rodman they're all good to AT great from 2. Great defenders. Even Shaq at his peak was really really good. Outside he still was a force who altered lay ups by simply existing. They can run the floor or slow down the game. They'll have a huge rebound advantage both at offensive and defense. They'll make higher quality shots at a higher rate with more possesssions. I think it would certainly be close. Also you could slide in Jerry West at the 1 or 2. Defense would still be great, but his shooting would obviously above anyone else on the team, but I feel that's cheating. He's obviously a player who'd have atleast a 353p% season if he came into the NBA in 2012.
Frazier and West are cheating since we don’t know what they would have shot from 3.

[Overdrive]

Frazier and West are cheating since we don’t know what they would have shot from 3.

I know. Even said so about West, but I think Frazier would be a fringe candidate. West would definately shoot 35% or above in today's NBA.

[RRR3]

I know. Even said so about West, but I think Frazier would be a fringe candidate. West would definately shoot 35% or above in today's NBA.
Frazier could shoot couldn’t he?

[Overdrive]

Frazier could shoot couldn’t he?

Yeah, crazy good midrange, but West basically showed 3pt range without the line existing. Tbf I of course only know either from highlights and some random 10minutish game snippets. I took Frazier more of an example for a great defender at the point while still being great on offense.