MJ vs LBJ: The people have spoken

[warriorfan]

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29187444/michael-jordan-better-lebron-james-every-way-says-poll-nba-fans

[Hey Yo]

Taken before the 4th title and 4th FMVP was won.


another fail from crack boy.

[ClipperRevival]

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[theman93]

Close, (well not really) but no cigar chico's. Who's the next challenger?

https://c.tenor.com/4Z-zRIWXM-kAAAAC/michael-jordan-pool.gif

[8Ball]

Taken before the 4th title and 4th FMVP was won.


another fail from crack boy.

LeBron surpassed Jordan in Oct 11, 2020. This poll was done in May 2020.

[AirBonner]

Imagine ignoring an entire chip and fmvp

[8Ball]

Imagine ignoring an entire chip and fmvp

Jordan fans ignore an entire career.



Thread fail.

[ClipperRevival]

Imagine ignoring an entire chip and fmvp

And imagine ignoring:

2 rings
2 fmvp
1 mvp
1 dpoy
9 scoring titles

The gap between MJ and LeBron is literally the resume of a top 10ish player.

[8Ball]

And imagine ignoring:

2 rings
2 fmvp
1 mvp
1 dpoy
9 scoring titles

The gap between MJ and LeBron is literally the resume of a top 10ish player.

Imagine ignoring:

all time scoring leader
7 all-nba teams
4 more finals appearances
more rebounds, more assists
Beating a 73 win team in the finals down 3-1

The gap between LeBron and MJ is literally the resume of a top 10ish player.

[AirBonner]

And imagine ignoring:

2 rings
2 fmvp
1 mvp
1 dpoy
9 scoring titles

The gap between MJ and LeBron is literally the resume of a top 10ish player.
If LeBron won two more rings vs the DeFrozen raptors would you count them?


Didn’t think so.

[Johnny32]

duh polls had hillary.

[theman93]

And imagine ignoring:

2 rings
2 fmvp
1 mvp
1 dpoy
9 scoring titles

The gap between MJ and LeBron is literally the resume of a top 10ish player.

Plus

3 All-Defense
3 Steal Champ

[ClipperRevival]

Imagine ignoring:

all time scoring leader
7 all-nba teams
4 more finals appearances
more rebounds, more assists
Beating a 73 win team in the finals down 3-1

The gap between LeBron and MJ is literally the resume of a top 10ish player.

You clearly don't understand the term, "gap" in this scenario and mixing it with accomplishments.

Show me what "gap" Bron has over MJ and I bet you it's not even CLOSE to a top 10 player. What, a few more All-NBA due to longevity? 4 finals losses? LOL. That ain't even close top 10 resume there cutie.

[ClipperRevival]

Plus

3 All-Defense
3 Steal Champ

1 - NCAA tile
2 - slam dunk titles
8 - playoff scoring titles

The gap keeps widening LOL. Bron fam in shambles.

[theman93]

1 - NCAA tile
2 - slam dunk titles
8 - playoff scoring titles

The gap keeps widening LOL. Bron fam in shambles.

Don't forget the gold medals

:cheers:

[Johnny32]

Don't forget the gold medals

:cheers:

they both have two. mj was awful in 92.

[theman93]

they both have two. mj was awful in 92.

Was he awful enough to be a bronze medalist?

[8Ball]

You clearly don't understand the term, "gap" in this scenario and mixing it with accomplishments.

Show me what "gap" Bron has over MJ and I bet you it's not even CLOSE to a top 10 player. What, a few more All-NBA due to longevity? 4 finals losses? LOL. That ain't even close top 10 resume there cutie.

7 all-nba teams is an elite level player. That's 7 more seasons of excellence. Jordan shlepped up and down the court in 2002 and 2003 yet I don't see any all-nba teams.


Add assists and rebounds too.


Jordan was simply inferior as a player.

[warriorfan]

Lmaooo at bron stans thinking his micky mouse exhibition game Cracker Jack ring will sway voters from picking Jordan in literally every category

:roll: :roll: :roll:

They fumin’

[Johnny32]

mj's defensive accolades also mean nothing. his biggest competition for all defensive teams was midget guards like stockton. his dpoy was before they started giving it to bigs every yr also. his era is a joke with no two-way star wings.

[8Ball]

Lmaooo at bron stans thinking his micky mouse exhibition game Cracker Jack ring will sway voters from picking Jordan in literally every category

:roll: :roll: :roll:

They fumin’

Meltdown.

We simply correcting the record.

[ClipperRevival]

7 all-nba teams is an elite level player. That's 7 more seasons of excellence. Jordan shlepped up and down the court in 2002 and 2003 yet I don't see any all-nba teams.


Add assists and rebounds too.


Jordan was simply inferior as a player.

I guess you're right. Karl Malone > MJ due to more All-NBAs.

[ClipperRevival]

mj's defensive accolades also mean nothing. his biggest competition for all defensive teams was midget guards like stockton. his dpoy was before they started giving it to bigs every yr also. his era is a joke with no two-way star wings.

You're a pretty terrible poster bro. Just saying. You bring no objectivity to the table.

[ClipperRevival]

7 all-nba teams is an elite level player. That's 7 more seasons of excellence. Jordan shlepped up and down the court in 2002 and 2003 yet I don't see any all-nba teams.


Add assists and rebounds too.


Jordan was simply inferior as a player

Now imagine if Bron had the following over MJ and MJ fans still said he was superior over Bron. How frustrated would Bron fans be?

2 rings
2 fmvp
1 mvp
1 dpoy
1 ncaa title
9 scoring titles
8 playoff scoring titles
3 all-nba D
3 steals titles
2 slam dunk titles

This is the reality of the situation. Deal with it and move on. No one but you Bron fans think Bron>MJ.

[SouBeachTalents]

If they couldn’t even give LeBron one of the passing ones, that kinda ruins the validity of the poll :lol

I don’t care if you think Jordan was better at everything else, LeBron was the better and more willing passer.

[Johnny32]

they can't refute the facts lol.

[light]

A lot of those marks are wildly and objectively off - like being a better passer - so clearly there is bias in the polling and the entire thing is invalid.

[Spurs m8]

I mean...one is the GOAT and one is top 10.

Also, the fact that even 21% had brons sneaker as the favoured fashion choice goes to show there were brontards in the survey.

No one even wears that ugly shit on court lmao

[Spurs m8]

Lmaooo at bron stans thinking his micky mouse exhibition game Cracker Jack ring will sway voters from picking Jordan in literally every category

:roll: :roll: :roll:

They fumin’

They literally spend every day of their life fuming over Jordan


Imagine that life...what a waste

[Gohan]

Taken before the 4th title and 4th FMVP was won.


another fail from crack boy.

Whitney was a crack head but she was a good singer:dancin:

[theman93]

I guess you're right. Karl Malone > MJ due to more All-NBAs.

Malone has a whopping 4 more All-NBA selections than both Bird and Magic. They must have also been inferior. :lebronamazed:

Shaq and Malone both have 14 All-NBA selections. They must have been equal level players. :roll:

[Hey Yo]

I guess you're right. Karl Malone > MJ due to more All-NBAs.

MJ could've possibly had more All nba but he chose to quit the league.... while Malone did not

[Full Court]

Imagine being in such a state of denial and insecurity that you become a Bronie.

[Soundwave]

Anyone who wants to take the GOAT title in the mind of the broad public probably has to win 7 titles minimum I think, 8 more likely as the no.1 option and have 3-4 league MVPS. Probably some scoring titles (as in multiple) in there too. And if you're saying "holy crap! That's too big of an ask!", well it's supposed to be hard, each successive "GOAT" player should raise the bar higher than it was before them.

And on top of that "super teaming" to get those titles probably docks you 1-2 championships in the eyes of the general public, just because the public does not like it when players do this, especially when you still have guys like Steph Curry and Giannis winning by staying with the team's that drafted them.

I'm not saying that to slight LeBron or Durant, but that's just the reality of the situation with the general public. Michael Jordan set a very high standard when he retired from the Bulls, so anyone coming to claim that throne has to go above and beyond that bar that's already been set, not just "well he's sorta close, and better in some categories, and I grew up in this era so he's my fave player" ... doesn't cut it.

Now before some people start kicking and screaming about how that's not fair because of reason XYZ ... I'm just saying that's basically the bar set by the public. It doesn't mean you can't enjoy being a LeBron fan or Durant fan or whatever or that somehow being a fan of them is pointless because Jordan is on some pedestal. Like who you want, who gives a shit, Penny Hardaway was my favorite player growing up, I still like his game a lot, I don't give a shit that he's not ranked in anyone's top 50.

[PeroAntic]

Most are right but there are few wrong. lebron is a better passer and its debatable NBA was better back then. Who would I choose as teammate is also a dilemma. MJ is not as willing as passer and hes an asshole to teammates, but Lebron is passive agressive, throws you under the bus and then trades you lol

[Soundwave]

The superteaming thing really hurt LeBron's brand and legacy even to this day. Same with Durant.

Even though I don't entirely blame them for doing it, they became synonymous with guy's who are looking for a short cut to greatness and the broader public just doesn't seem like they will ever let that go. I mean in they'll let it go in the "what's happening this season" kind of context, it's not like if Durant or LeBron has a great season next year, they won't get props for it, but when it comes to being compared to other greats career wise, it's always going to be an anchor around those two guys' neck.

Just is what it is.

[GrayGoat]

The superteaming thing really hurt LeBron's brand and legacy even to this day. Same with Durant.

Even though I don't entirely blame them for doing it, they became synonymous with guy's who are looking for a short cut to greatness and the broader public just doesn't seem like they will ever let that go. I mean in they'll let it go in the "what's happening this season" kind of context, it's not like if Durant or LeBron has a great season next year, they won't get props for it, but when it comes to being compared to other greats career wise, it's always going to be an anchor around those two guys' neck.

Just is what it is.

Then when you add context to it and LeBron’s 2nd option (Wade) putting up 14ppg in the finals throwing around the term “super team” becomes disingenuous

[Soundwave]

Then when you add context to it and LeBron’s 2nd option (Wade) putting up 14ppg in the finals throwing around the term “super team” becomes disingenuous

The truth is that's irrelevant to the wider public.

When you engage the "super team option" basically anything bad that happens to you no one feels sorry for you if the super team thing blows apart for whatever reason.

So Wade's game dropped off? You (LeBron) got what you deserved.

Blew out your Achilles there Durant? Rough injury, no one wants to cheer that, but there is this under current of feeling of "yeah, well that's karma coming back to bite his ass".

When super teams fall apart or turn into drama-city ... people actually love that.

That's basically how it works, that's also why if you're an NBA star obsessed with "legacy" I would probably advise to think long and hard about excercising that option.

And just for the record, I was on this board when LeBron made "The Decision" and in the weeks leading up to it, I think it was me and maybe one other poster who correctly picked Miami would be the destination, about 85% of the board was convinced it was Cleveland and like Miami wasn't even on anyone's radar. I didn't see Bosh joining also though, that was kinda crazy.

[GrayGoat]

The truth is that's irrelevant to the wider public.

When you engage the "super team option" basically anything bad that happens to you no one feels sorry for you if the super team thing blows apart for whatever reason.

So Wade's game dropped off? You (LeBron) got what you deserved.

Blew out your Achilles there Durant? Rough injury, no one wants to cheer that, but there is this under current of feeling of "yeah, well that's karma coming back to bite his ass".

When super teams fall apart or turn into drama-city ... people actually love that.

That's basically how it works, that's also why if you're an NBA star obsessed with "legacy" I would probably advise to think long and hard about excercising that option.

And just for the record, I was on this board when LeBron made "The Decision" and in the weeks leading up to it, I think it was me and maybe one other poster who correctly picked Miami would be the destination, about 85% of the board was convinced it was Cleveland and like Miami wasn't even on anyone's radar. I didn't see Bosh joining also though, that was kinda crazy.
So Shaq was a star on the Celtics

[warriorfan]

The truth is that's irrelevant to the wider public.

When you engage the "super team option" basically anything bad that happens to you no one feels sorry for you if the super team thing blows apart for whatever reason.

So Wade's game dropped off? You (LeBron) got what you deserved.

Blew out your Achilles there Durant? Rough injury, no one wants to cheer that, but there is this under current of feeling of "yeah, well that's karma coming back to bite his ass".

When super teams fall apart or turn into drama-city ... people actually love that.

That's basically how it works, that's also why if you're an NBA star obsessed with "legacy" I would probably advise to think long and hard about excercising that option.

And just for the record, I was on this board when LeBron made "The Decision" and in the weeks leading up to it, I think it was me and maybe one other poster who correctly picked Miami would be the destination, about 85% of the board was convinced it was Cleveland and like Miami wasn't even on anyone's radar. I didn't see Bosh joining also though, that was kinda crazy.

Ether

[Soundwave]

So Shaq was a star on the Celtics

I mean Shaq was completely washed by that point and the Celtics were older than dirt in general, so no one cared about that.

Again I'm not even saying I agree with how the public perceives all this, this is just what I hear from over and over again from "regular basketball fans".

If you press the super-team button, no one is going to feel sorry if your team falls apart, you don't have a sympathy card to play. In fact the opposite is true, people LOVE the train wreck aspect of it and watch it with glee. Most general NBA fans for example are quite enjoying Durant's situation falling apart around him in New Jersey.

[sdot_thadon]

Mj | Lebron

Who weighs more? 92% | 8%

Who's taller? 74% | 26%

Most likely to open 88% | 12%
a school

Has more hair. 52% | 48%

Longer NBA career. 82% | 18%

Named Lebron? 99% | 1%

Yeah. Sums it up :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Fuming

[sdot_thadon]

The superteaming thing really hurt LeBron's brand and legacy even to this day. Same with Durant.

Even though I don't entirely blame them for doing it, they became synonymous with guy's who are looking for a short cut to greatness and the broader public just doesn't seem like they will ever let that go. I mean in they'll let it go in the "what's happening this season" kind of context, it's not like if Durant or LeBron has a great season next year, they won't get props for it, but when it comes to being compared to other greats career wise, it's always going to be an anchor around those two guys' neck.

Just is what it is.

Yeah it hurt his legacy all the way into the goat debate, but like for real. Lol

[sdot_thadon]

Fuming

Not at all, if anything the poll delegitimizes itself.

[GrayGoat]

I mean Shaq was completely washed by that point and the Celtics were older than dirt in general, so no one cared about that.

Again I'm not even saying I agree with how the public perceives all this, this is just what I hear from over and over again from "regular basketball fans".

If you press the super-team button, no one is going to feel sorry if your team falls apart, you don't have a sympathy card to play. In fact the opposite is true, people LOVE the train wreck aspect of it and watch it with glee. Most general NBA fans for example are quite enjoying Durant's situation falling apart around him in New Jersey.

Shaq on the Celtics was putting up better numbers than Wade and Bosh and was “washed” but you count Wade and Bosh as in prime stars. Interesting.

[warriorfan]

Not at all, if anything the poll delegitimizes itself.

It’s the common consensus. You can play devils advocate and convince yourself with whatever you want to help you sleep better at night. But the people have spoken.

[GrayGoat]

It’s the common consensus. You can play devils advocate and convince yourself with whatever you want to help you sleep better at night. But the people have spoken.

The poll delegitimizes itself. Hilarious

[warriorfan]

Bron stans right now like

https://c.tenor.com/dxVDVv0L7bwAAAAC/woman-yelling.gif

[Soundwave]

Shaq on the Celtics was putting up better numbers than Wade and Bosh and was “washed” but you count Wade and Bosh as in prime stars. Interesting.

Well one, I mean that's not even factually true. Shaq averaged 9 ppg for the Celtics in the regular season and a literal 1 ppg in the playoffs that one year in Boston. Are you maybe confused and thinking of some other scenario?

Secondly "I" am not counting anything, this is not "my" opinion, I'm just saying how the general public views this stuff.

Let me put in a non-basketball term, say an unmarried is in love with a married person, who is also interested in them. And they end up getting together because they feel at the time they're in love breaking up a marriage. Now they can argue and plead their case that it's true love. Fair enough. Some people will be OK with it, some people will obviously not like it.

But lets then assume that this relationship also falls apart a couple of years later. What you cannot reasonably expect in that situation is sympathy from anyone. Nno one is feeling sorry for you in that situation and ain't no one wanting to hear why it didn't work out and most people will look at you like "you deserved to have that relationship fall apart".

Super-teaming and then having the super-team blow up in your face so that you have to bail out is basically the basketball equivalent of this, lol. No one is going to be sympathetic in that situation and the overwhelming consensus is gonna be "hah, you got what you deserved".

Now is that fair? I don't know, but it is how it goes.

[RogueBorg]

Shaq on the Celtics was putting up better numbers than Wade and Bosh and was “washed” but you count Wade and Bosh as in prime stars. Interesting.

The same way you and other Lebronstans say he beat an OKC team with 3 MVP's in the Finals. No way in hell were Westbrook and Harden MVP caliber players.

[TheMan]

Taken before the 4th title and 4th FMVP was won.


another fail from crack boy.

Also taken before LBJ had his soul snatched by Booker and then had his epic failure last season, not even making it to the play-in. :lol

No AD, no playoffs:confusedshrug:

[TheMan]

duh polls had hillary.

And she beat him by almost 3 million votes...in any other voting system in the world except for the US outdated and quirky electoral system, she wins easily.

[TheMan]

Not at all, if anything the poll delegitimizes itself.

Not really, it just shows you that MJ is seen by the general public as a winner and LeBron isn't. It also shows you how much LeBron is disliked and I agree with Soundwave, it started with his attempt at stacking the deck...his SJW tweets don't help either.

MJ has enough accolades, stats and hardware that if anyone is going to knock him off his perch, it better be by considerable margins, and longevity stats aren't gonna be enough, KAJ, LeBron and to a lesser extent Malone have that over him and people still see MJ as GOAT.

[RogueBorg]

his dpoy was before they started giving it to bigs every yr also.

Gary Payton says "Hello," he also said to tell you "you're a dumbass."

Here are the first 15 DPOY winners

1. Sidney Moncrief G
2. Sidney Moncrief G
3. Mark Eaton C
4. Alvin Robertson G
5. Michael Cooper G
6. Michael Jordan G
7. Mark Eaton C
8. Dennis Rodman F
9. Dennis Rodman F
10. David Robinson C
11. Hakeem Olajuwon C
12. Hakeem Olajuwon C
13. Dikembe Mutombo C
14. Gary Payton G
15. Dikembe Mutombo C

Half of all the first 15 winners were either guards or small forwards.