Hypothetically had MJ defeated a 73 win team in the finals

[AirBonner]

Would we hear the end of it? MJ stans brag enough about a bunch of trash brother rings :confusedshrug:

[Johnny32]

brb watching mj get swept vs bos on classic network.

[8Ball]

Would we hear the end of it? MJ stans brag enough about a bunch of trash brother rings :confusedshrug:

The 2016 finals win is the greatest finals championship in all of NBA history. Nothing will ever come close to that again.

Up against a 73 win team with 3 all-nba players including the unanimous MVP and the 2015 FMVP player. #1 in offence and elite top 5 defensive team.

Down 3-1 against that team.

LeBron has the greatest 3 game stretch in NBA history games 5 6 7 to deliver a championship.


That was the greatest sports moment ever. Won't ever be replicated again.

[Soundwave]

It was a nice win for LeBron, but his GOAT chances I think fizzled in Miami.

When he made the decision to go there in his physical prime (age 25) the general public's attitude was "well you better give us a dynasty like no other if you are who you say you are".

But he didn't. 2 titles in Miami was underwhelming, and that's not just by my metric, even by LeBron's own metric he said the whole "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4 ... it's gonna be easy".

The fact is if you are the best ever and you claim to be that, you needed to win more there. You didn't. You got to hand pick your team and your situation and you still didn't deliver like an all-time great squad.

I'm not even saying that to hate, I'm just saying as the general public, this is why LeBron is not really regarded as the GOAT.

If you are that, then you should have 7 titles by now for one, you shouldn't need 7 extra seasons played to top what the number that Jordan and Magic got to. A few more scoring titles would also be nice (certainly more than just one).

[GrayGoat]

It was a nice win for LeBron, but his GOAT chances I think fizzled in Miami.

When he made the decision to go there in his physical prime (age 25) the general public's attitude was "well you better give us a dynasty like no other if you are who you say you are".

But he didn't. 2 titles in Miami was underwhelming, and that's not just by my metric, even by LeBron's own metric he said the whole "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4 ... it's gonna be easy".

The fact is if you are the best ever and you claim to be that, you needed to win more there. You didn't. You got to hand pick your team and your situation and you still didn't deliver like an all-time great squad.

I'm not even saying that to hate, I'm just saying as the general public, this is why LeBron is not really regarded as the GOAT.

If you are that, then you should have 7 titles by now for one, you shouldn't need 7 extra seasons played to top what the number that Jordan and Magic got to. A few more scoring titles would also be nice (certainly more than just one).
Many people have Wilt over Bill Russell. 2 chips vs 11. Ultimately chips are TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS

[Soundwave]

Many people have Wilt over Bill Russell. 2 chips vs 11. Ultimately chips are TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS

You guys can say that on the little corner bubble of the internet that is this message board which is probably really like only 30 kids.

In the broader actual public though ... yes, championships matter, and they matter if you are going to claim you are the best ever.

If you claim that, then you need to have more than your contemporaries or people are just not going to unanimously look at you in that light.

Tough shit, but that's how it goes.

He needed to win probably 4-5 titles in Miami, that was the time to make hay. You can't walk into Miami talking about how you are going to win 3/4/5/6 titles easily and then only come out of it with 2 to show for it before running off again to greener pastures.

That doesn't exude greatness, but sure the one chip against the Warriors is his crowing achievement career wise and it is impressive. Though I think everyone and their grandma knows that wasn't the best Golden State team, just because they had a sky high regular season record, they're no where near as good as the team that had Durant on it, think maybe in a best of 7 even this past year's version of Golden State might be better because of Poole and Wiggins.

[GrayGoat]

You guys can say that on the little corner bubble of the internet that is this message board which is probably really like only 30 kids.

In the broader actual public though ... yes, championships matter, and they matter if you are going to claim you are the best ever.

If you claim that, then you need to have more than your contemporaries or people are just not going to unanimously look at you in that light.

Tough shit, but that's how it goes.

He needed to win probably 4-5 titles in Miami, that was the time to make hay. You can't walk into Miami talking about how you are going to win 3/4/5/6 titles easily and then only come out of it with 2 to show for it before running off again to greener pastures.

That doesn't exude greatness, but sure the one chip against the Warriors he gets credit for. Though I think everyone and their grandma knows that wasn't the best Golden State team, just because they had a sky high regular season record, they're no where near as good as the team that had Durant on it.

It’s funny cuz people claim Kobe has 5 even tho he was a sidekick for 3 and most people have him outside the top 10. So context at some point does matter

[Soundwave]

It’s funny cuz people claim Kobe has 5 even tho he was a sidekick for 3. So context at some point does matter

Sure it matters, but generally speaking if you have to twist people's arms this hard to convince them someone else is GOAT ... that person isn't the GOAT.

There will probably be a player that comes eventually and dethrones Jordan in the eyes of the general public and "basketball world" ... but he will not need to claim he is the best, he will dominate to a level where it is indisputable (like several MVPS + 8 championships as the no.1 option + scoring titles ... that sort of thing).

[warriorfan]

If Hypothetically Jordan in his prime quit on his originally drafted franchise and team hopped and colluded with the number 2 and number 4 PER leaders in the league…promised 6+ titles….only to choke and lose in the Finals while being out scored by a zero time all star undersized guard….he would be automatically out of goat contention and with a goat level choke like that he would struggle to break into the top 10 like where Lebron is now. LeBron is now desperately trying to accumulate longevity statistics to break him into it but it’s not looking good, he is never going to be able to erase 2011. His legacy ended that day.

[Spurs m8]

Op is upset about Jordan every.single.day

[No Sir]

The alternative is bragging about beating a team led by a guy dying from AIDS. So id assume so

[warriorfan]

Op is upset about Jordan every.single.day

His team got CUCKED by Papa Dingo so he just has been melting down about LeBron to cope

:lol

[HylianNightmare]

Maybe of the other teams best defender for a suspension for no reason

[PeroAntic]

It’s funny cuz people claim Kobe has 5 even tho he was a sidekick for 3 and most people have him outside the top 10. So context at some point does matter

Kobe has five and hes several spots behind Lebron because 3 are sidekick (1A) and because Lebron had the best one (2016). But Lebron is behind MJ because he has two less. Its a mix of number of rings and context. Both have weight, so when all said and done MJ>lebron.

[Soundwave]

I also have said this before, it's really not that lop sided of a match up, unless you consider LeBron to be worse than Curry.

LeBron Curry
Kyrie Klay
Love Draymond

Should be fairly even. Golden State just had an outlier regular season, but they definitely are not the best regular season roster ever, they're not even the best Golden State team of that 3-4 year run.

[theman93]

I also have said this before, it's really not that lop sided of a match up, unless you consider LeBron to be worse than Curry.

LeBron Curry
Kyrie Klay
Love Draymond

Should be fairly even. Golden State just had an outlier regular season, but they definitely are not the best regular season roster ever, they're not even the best Golden State team of that 3-4 year run.

This is true. Even moreso factoring Draymond's suspension.

As we all know regular season =/= postseason. Just ask the 07 Mavericks. The 2016 Warriors lost as many games in the postseason as they did in the regular season.

[warriorfan]

This is true. Even moreso factoring Draymond's suspension.

As we all know regular season =/= postseason. Just ask the 07 Mavericks. The 2016 Warriors lost as many games in the postseason as they did in the regular season.

Curry tearing his MCL during the first round of the playoffs had a lot to do with that as well.

[Axe]

Curry tearing his MCL during the first round of the playoffs had a lot to do with that as well.
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Nice bravado by your hero tho...

[warriorfan]

https://c.tenor.com/SXNGH4j8RLcAAAAC/steph-curry-im-here.gif

Nice bravado by your hero tho...

It was. Curry came back off an mcl tear ahead of schedule after the dubs were struggling and scored literally the most points in overtime history vs the blazers. Somewhere along that line he suffered re-aggravation and lost his explosive lateral movement. Curry was probably 50 to 75% health at best during the 2016 finals.

[2much_knowledge]

Would we hear the end of it? MJ stans brag enough about a bunch of trash brother rings :confusedshrug:

1) he would not need to get a key player to get suspended in order to win

2) he would not need a game 7 cause Mj dont do game 7s in the finals

[Spurs m8]

The alternative is bragging about beating a team led by a guy dying from AIDS. So id assume so

Dying so hard that he's still thriving 30+ years later.

Fuming

[Axe]

It was. Curry came back off an mcl tear ahead of schedule after the dubs were struggling and scored literally the most points in overtime history vs the blazers. Somewhere along that line he suffered re-aggravation and lost his explosive lateral movement. Curry was probably 50 to 75% health at best during the 2016 finals.
Ok but so much for the 73-win campaign during the regular season. Still it was nice seeing him let opposing guard delly have iconic moments in the playoffs and steal hca from curry's team en route to the only existing 3-1 comeback in the finals.

[sdot_thadon]

Would we hear the end of it? MJ stans brag enough about a bunch of trash brother rings :confusedshrug:

Never. It would be his crowing achievement. Replacing dunk contest wins....

[Full Court]

Can you imagine if Jordan would have come back from being down 3-1 in the finals and won???


Oh wait....Jordan was never even close to being down 3-1 in the finals. :roll:

[Full Court]

I also have said this before, it's really not that lop sided of a match up, unless you consider LeBron to be worse than Curry.



Curry is better than Lebron. That's why the insecure Bronies go to such great lengths to try to discredit curry.

:lol

[RogueBorg]

Would we hear the end of it? MJ stans brag enough about a bunch of trash brother rings :confusedshrug:

Did Jordan ever lose in the Finals to a 57-win trash brother team in 6 games getting outscored by a scrub?

[Hey Yo]

You guys can say that on the little corner bubble of the internet that is this message board which is probably really like only 30 kids.

In the broader actual public though ... yes, championships matter, and they matter if you are going to claim you are the best ever.

If you claim that, then you need to have more than your contemporaries or people are just not going to unanimously look at you in that light.

Tough shit, but that's how it goes.

He needed to win probably 4-5 titles in Miami, that was the time to make hay. You can't walk into Miami talking about how you are going to win 3/4/5/6 titles easily and then only come out of it with 2 to show for it before running off again to greener pastures.

That doesn't exude greatness, but sure the one chip against the Warriors is his crowing achievement career wise and it is impressive. Though I think everyone and their grandma knows that wasn't the best Golden State team, just because they had a sky high regular season record, they're no where near as good as the team that had Durant on it, think maybe in a best of 7 even this past year's version of Golden State might be better because of Poole and Wiggins.

Cracks me up people still bringing up quotes from that Heat pep rally.

Your school never had pep rallies for your sports teams??

[Hey Yo]

Curry tearing his MCL during the first round of the playoffs had a lot to do with that as well.

LOL @ "tearing" his MCL.

It was lightly sprained.

[2much_knowledge]

Did Jordan ever lose in the Finals to a 57-win trash brother team in 6 games getting outscored by a scrub?

I dont recalll