1988 MJ was on an entirely different level

[2ball]

In 1988, Michael Jordan was named the MVP and DPOY, selected to the first teams for all-NBA and all-defense, led the league in points and steals, named the all-star game MVP, and won the slam dunk contest
MJ averaged 35.0 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 3.2 steals, and 1.6 blocks on 53.5% shooting that season. His '92 season was extremely decorated as well, as he won MVP, FMVP, and an Olympic Gold medal.

Imagine averaging 35ppg and being the best defensive player in the league

:biggums:

[TheGoatest]

In 1987 jordon averaged 37 ppg in his 4th season at the age of 24, yet still finished below a team whose best player by far was a rookie Chuck Person.
I wonder what changed in 1988...

https://i.postimg.cc/sxQfmm9F/23has-Asavior-PIP.jpg

[kawhileonard2]

Did that player win league mvp, finals mvp, DPOY? Lebron missed playoffs with guy who won league mvp, DPOY 3x. This changed as well.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

[Spurs m8]

35 in the era of non-inflated stats is insane

[SATAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGVzE97xlx4

[2much_knowledge]

In 1988, Michael Jordan was named the MVP and DPOY, selected to the first teams for all-NBA and all-defense, led the league in points and steals, named the all-star game MVP, and won the slam dunk contest
MJ averaged 35.0 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 3.2 steals, and 1.6 blocks on 53.5% shooting that season. His '92 season was extremely decorated as well, as he won MVP, FMVP, and an Olympic Gold medal.

Imagine averaging 35ppg and being the best defensive player in the league

:biggums:

3.6 steals and 1.6 blocks while killing it on offense. Goaty stuff

[TheGoatest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGVzE97xlx4

There is no shame in losing to this guy... In a 1-on-1 game of stock market, that is. :roll:

[Lakers Legend#32]

And the Lakers repeated as champions.

First team to do so in 19 years.

[light]

In 1988, Michael Jordan was named the MVP and DPOY, selected to the first teams for all-NBA and all-defense, led the league in points and steals, named the all-star game MVP, and won the slam dunk contest
MJ averaged 35.0 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 3.2 steals, and 1.6 blocks on 53.5% shooting that season. His '92 season was extremely decorated as well, as he won MVP, FMVP, and an Olympic Gold medal.

Imagine averaging 35ppg and being the best defensive player in the league

:biggums:

Yeah peak MJ wasn't a winner. It's a shame.

[light]

35 in the era of non-inflated stats is insane

It was an era of high pace and Jordan chased points so all of his point totals are artificially inflated.

[TheGoatest]

Getting points in the 80s was not a problem. We're talking about an era where Adrian Dantley had 4 straight 30+ ppg seasons. On higher efficiency than jordon, too.
Winning in the 80s was a problem, that was reserved for true elites. Winning in the 90s became much less of a problem, however, after those elites succumbed to aging, injuries and AIDS.

[RogueBorg]

And the Lakers repeated as champions.

First team to do so in 19 years.

Yesterday NBA TV was showing the game where Magic hit the running baby hook over McHale and Parish to essentially win game 4 I think it was of the '87 Finals. Great game.

[8Ball]

Jordan is the 2nd GOAT.

His career was very impressive.

[3ba11]

35 and DPOY is levels above Hakeem's 27 and DPOY

Like I said previously - MJ's prime was 85-91' - he was otherworldly, especially from 85-88' where his athleticism peaked (22-25 year old) but his fundamentals were still all-time

[2much_knowledge]

Getting points in the 80s was not a problem. We're talking about an era where Adrian Dantley had 4 straight 30+ ppg seasons. On higher efficiency than jordon, too.
Winning in the 80s was a problem, that was reserved for true elites. Winning in the 90s became much less of a problem, however, after those elites succumbed to aging, injuries and AIDS.

Reserved for the true elites...... who coincedentaly had tons of hof backup and experience...

Clown

[Full Court]

Yep, there's a reason why MJ is the consensus GOAT and the biggest star the sport has seen.

And a reason why a certain group gets triggered by him 20 years after he retired.

[ShawkFactory]

Yep, there's a reason why MJ is the consensus GOAT and the biggest star the sport has seen.

And a reason why a certain group gets triggered by him 20 years after he retired.

What’s honestly worse: being triggered by someone being talked about who retired 20 years ago, or being so triggered if someone isn’t talking about him that you need to bring him up at all times?

[AngelEyes]

In 1987 jordon averaged 37 ppg in his 4th season at the age of 24, yet still finished below a team whose best player by far was a rookie Chuck Person.
I wonder what changed in 1988...

https://i.postimg.cc/sxQfmm9F/23has-Asavior-PIP.jpg

1987 was Jordan's 3rd year, not his 4th year. Also, it's not hard to see why the Bulls did not have a great record that year. They had probably the weakest roster in the NBA, with guys like a 2nd year Charles Oakley, John Paxson, Gene Banks, and Dave Corzine in the starting lineup, with a shitty bench. For a portion of the season they had guys like Steve Colter, Earl Cureton, Brad Sellers, Elston Turner, and Granville Waiters starting for them. They did not have the benefit of being in a shitty conference like AI or LeBron in the 00s, instead they had legendary teams like the Bad Boys Pistons and the Celtics and then also loaded teams like Atlanta and Milwaukee.

[Full Court]

What’s honestly worse: being triggered by someone being talked about who retired 20 years ago, or being so triggered if someone isn’t talking about him that you need to bring him up at all times?

I see far more threads on here by Bronies trying to discredit MJ than I do threads propping him up.

[2much_knowledge]

1987 was Jordan's 3rd year, not his 4th year. Also, it's not hard to see why the Bulls did not have a great record that year. They had probably the weakest roster in the NBA, with guys like a 2nd year Charles Oakley, John Paxson, Gene Banks, and Dave Corzine in the starting lineup, with a shitty bench. For a portion of the season they had guys like Steve Colter, Earl Cureton, Brad Sellers, Elston Turner, and Granville Waiters starting for them. They did not have the benefit of being in a shitty conference like AI or LeBron in the 00s, instead they had legendary teams like the Bad Boys Pistons and the Celtics and then also loaded teams like Atlanta and Milwaukee.

Thats a sad roster and its basically season #2 if you think about it

[light]

In 1988, Michael Jordan was named the MVP and DPOY, selected to the first teams for all-NBA and all-defense, led the league in points and steals, named the all-star game MVP, and won the slam dunk contest
MJ averaged 35.0 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 3.2 steals, and 1.6 blocks on 53.5% shooting that season. His '92 season was extremely decorated as well, as he won MVP, FMVP, and an Olympic Gold medal.

Imagine averaging 35ppg and being the best defensive player in the league

:biggums:

Didn't MJ shoot 13% from three in 1988? I'm pretty sure.

[TheGoatest]

Didn't MJ shoot 13% from three in 1988? I'm pretty sure.

It really is astonishing how a guard can shoot 13% from behind the 3 point line. Like, how is that even possible?

[Baller789]

I see far more threads on here by Bronies trying to discredit MJ than I do threads propping him up.
Bronies:
*Crickets*

[ShawkFactory]

I see far more threads on here by Bronies trying to discredit MJ than I do threads propping him up.

It’s all pretty much one person. They’re blatantly trolling, and there’s an ignore function.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Trolling would imply they are having fun and those alts are clearly not having fun and are sadly dedicated to a false narrative. Quite sad people, really.

[ShawkFactory]

Trolling would imply they are having fun and those alts are clearly not having fun and are sadly dedicated to a false narrative. Quite sad people, really.

Correct. Things that are said are either intentional contradictions or reversals of what Jordan people say, regardless of whether it makes sense.

It's all fake. Just ignore it.

[TheGoatest]

Ignoring someone saying that Tyrese Halliburton is better than jordon would be easy.
Ignoring someone saying that LeBron is better than jordon is obviously not. Because no matter how much you wish it were true, it isn't.

[Full Court]

It’s all pretty much one person. They’re blatantly trolling, and there’s an ignore function.

I've never gotten so upset by what someone posts on a message board that I felt the need to ignore them.

[ShawkFactory]

I've never gotten so upset by what someone posts on a message board that I felt the need to ignore them.

What? It's not about being upset :lol

I don't get upset at spam emails. It just makes it easier to see the messages that I want to see if I ignore them.

You don't want to ignore them because you enjoy it.