View Full Version : Tim Duncan won titles with a glorified Toni Kukoc (Ginobili) as his 2nd option
GrayGoat
08-15-2022, 09:34 PM
I like MJ but his team was stacked beyond belief. Ginobili would be 4th best player on MJ title teams
Spurs m8
08-15-2022, 09:54 PM
Something bronnie has NEVER done
Always needs a couple of all star calibre teammates
Before miami...zero rings.
2019 lottery
FultzNationRISE
08-15-2022, 10:00 PM
Something bronnie has NEVER done
Always needs a couple of all star calibre teammates
Before miami...zero rings.
2019 lottery
Why are you choosing negativity?
Why would you do that?
TheGoatest
08-16-2022, 11:33 AM
I like MJ but his team was stacked beyond belief. Ginobili would be 4th best player on MJ title teams
Kukoc averaged 18.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg and 5.3 apg in 1999. A stat line that was better than anything Ginobili ever put up.
And we don't know how much Ginobili's stat line would suffer if he had to play with the stat-suppressor jordon.
It's possible that it would go from 18-5-4 to something like 6-3-3, just like Ron Harper went from averaging 20-6-5 to 7-2-2 when he started playing with jordon.
dankok8
08-16-2022, 12:38 PM
^ Harper averaged like 7 ppg in 1995 before MJ came back so try harder.
Ginobili is better than Kukoc by the way.
Vino24
08-16-2022, 01:24 PM
^ Harper averaged like 7 ppg in 1995 before MJ came back so try harder.
Ginobili is better than Kukoc by the way.
That is not true. Kukoc never had the freedom Thant Ginobili had. MJ would have punched him had he taken more shots
kawhileonard2
08-16-2022, 11:40 PM
I like MJ but his team was stacked beyond belief. Ginobili would be 4th best player on MJ title teams
Except Manu was to win finals mvp and Tony Parker did and Kawhi.
Jordan never played with someone who won league or finals mvp either.
kawhileonard2
08-16-2022, 11:41 PM
Need an answer on each thread below.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT
Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher
Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2
Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED
Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.
Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html
And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.
Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron
Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482
Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats
Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600
How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry
Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360
Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.
Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.
LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming
https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:
http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html
First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371
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AirBonner
08-17-2022, 12:02 AM
Kawhi hasn’t played a game in nearly two years
light
08-17-2022, 12:25 AM
I like MJ but his team was stacked beyond belief. Ginobili would be 4th best player on MJ title teams
Kukoc saved MJ's butt many times. But Ginobili would be the 3rd best player on the first three MJ title teams.
Duncan won a title when he was no longer the first option on the Spurs.
light
08-17-2022, 12:32 AM
Something bronnie has NEVER done
Always needs a couple of all star calibre teammates
Before miami...zero rings.
2019 lottery
Bron made it to the finals with no all star caliber teammates.
LeBron won a title with no other all-stars or all-nba players on his team.
Round Mound
08-17-2022, 05:47 PM
Ginobili was a much better player and all around player than Kukoc. Get real.
Gohan
08-17-2022, 07:15 PM
Ginobili was a much better player and all around player than Kukoc. Get real.
Based only off of reputation and ability to flop
97 bulls
08-18-2022, 10:02 AM
Kukoc is a better player than Ginobli.
1987_Lakers
08-18-2022, 10:05 AM
Kukoc is a better player than Ginobli.
lol, no.
TAZORAC
08-19-2022, 02:12 PM
Tony Parker was 2nd option
kawhileonard2
08-20-2022, 12:33 AM
Manu actually won gold medal against Lebron. Toni Kukoc won silver vs Michael Jordan. Anything else?
kawhileonard2
08-20-2022, 12:34 AM
I like MJ but his team was stacked beyond belief. Ginobili would be 4th best player on MJ title teams
Yeah no one won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with guys who won league and finals mvp and didn't win.
Wade/Shaq/Rose/Westbrook.
97 bulls
08-20-2022, 10:28 AM
lol, no.
Show me a list that has Ginobli over Kukoc (not yours lol). I Googled "best European Basketball Players of all Time. I've seen about 15 list. Kukoc was on all of them. Ginobli wasn't.
Real Men Wear Green
08-20-2022, 10:33 AM
Ginobili and Kukoc had a number of major differences including size and athletic ability. I don't expect OP to know anything about NBA players before 2019 but wish he would shut the **** up anyway.
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