Where does Lebron rank if he has NO championship accolades?

[lilteapot]

So, still the same:

postseason and regular season averages
MVPs
scoring titles
All-NBA teams
All star MVPs

basically everything except:

Rings
Finals MVPs

Where does he rank all time?

Top 15?

[3ba11]

You mean if he never made the "decision" to collude and stack the deck?

He would've won in 2011 but Dirk grabbed the 1-star organic chip that was up for grabs

And he would've won most years after that because everyone would want to play with him

Unfortunately, he quit early, so he never finished learning the teammate development, fits and brand of ball required to win organically

[RRR3]

You mean if he never made the "decision" to collude and stack the deck?

He would've won in 2011 but Dirk grabbed the 1-star organic chip that was up for grabs

And he would've won most years after that because everyone would want to play with him

Unfortunately, he quit early, so he never finished learning the teammate development, fits and brand of ball required to win organically
You just admitted LeBron can win without “superstar help” thus rendering your posting career meaningless.

[lilteapot]

You mean if he never made the "decision" to collude and stack the deck?

He would've won in 2011 but Dirk grabbed the 1-star organic chip that was up for grabs

And he would've won most years after that because everyone would want to play with him

Unfortunately, he quit early, so he never finished learning the teammate development, fits and brand of ball required to win organically

you didn't answer the question buddy

[3ba11]

You just admitted LeBron can win without “superstar help” thus rendering your posting career meaningless.


You must've missed the last paragraph of my post l so I'll repost it below:

Unfortunately, Lebron quit the organic journey a year early, so he never finished learning the teammate development, fits and brand of ball required to win organically and had to be a talent-based winner instead (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy)

[3ba11]

you didn't answer the question buddy


When a player learns the teammate development, fits and brand of ball required to win organically, they're in line for MANY chips

So if he learned the chemistry required to win organically, he could've won 5+ chips like MJ or Duncan

Unfortunately, he quit the organic journey a year early, so he never finished learning the teammate development, fits and brand of ball required to win organically and had to be a talent-based winner instead (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy)

A 1-star organic chip was up for grabs in 2011 - Lebron's Cavs would've been favorites for 3 years running with the reputed defense and organic chemistry required to beat those Mavs

[lilteapot]

When a player learns the teammate development, fits and brand of ball required to win organically, they're in line for MANY chips

So if he learned the chemistry required to win organically, he could've won 5+ chips like MJ or Duncan

Unfortunately, he quit the organic journey a year early, so he never finished learning the teammate development, fits and brand of ball required to win organically and had to be a talent-based winner instead (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy)

A 1-star organic chip was up for grabs in 2011 - Lebron's Cavs would've been favorites for 3 years running with the reputed defense and organic chemistry required to beat those Mavs

bitch all i want you to do is say where he'd rank. thats it. give me a number.

[3ba11]

bitch all i want you to do is say where he'd rank. thats it. give me a number.


Assuming his Cavs beat Dirk in 2011 so he completes the organic learning curve, Lebron would be #2 all-time with 5+ chips

Unfortunately, he never finished learning the chemistry and teammate development required to win organically, so he became a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy)... His chemistry and understanding of chemistry became so poor that he actually thought he was a good fit with Westbrook!!!.. His talent-based approach thought he could just add talent to get preseason favorite status - that's his style (preseason favorite in 2011-16', 20-22')

[lilteapot]

Assuming his Cavs beat Dirk in 2011 so he completes the organic learning curve, Lebron would be #2 all-time with 5+ chips

Unfortunately, he never finished learning the chemistry and teammate development required to win organically, so he became a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy)... His chemistry and understanding of chemistry became so poor that he actually thought he was a good fit with Westbrook!!!.. His talent-based approach thought he could just add talent to get preseason favorite status - that's his style (preseason favorite in 2011-16', 20-22')

Listen. Idiot. The question is IF HE DOESN'T WIN ANY RINGS. Answer the question retard or there will be consequences.

[3ba11]

Oh shit I didn't see the thread title

He wouldn't be top 10 with no rings, which is possible if his suboptimal skillset (frontcourt ball-dominance) can't garner the chemistry needed to win in 2011 - this would complete the organic learning curve, but if his skillset can't foster the chemistry to win in 2011, then he would never win and wouldn't be too 10

[lilteapot]

Oh shit I didn't see the thread title

He wouldn't be top 10 with no rings, which is possible if his suboptimal skillset (frontcourt ball-dominance) can't garner the chemistry needed to win in 2011 - this would complete the organic learning curve, but if his skillset can't foster the chemistry to win in 2011, then he would never win and wouldn't be too 10

thanks u kind of answered the question. yes next time please read before you respond thanks sir

[light]

So, still the same:

postseason and regular season averages
MVPs
scoring titles
All-NBA teams
All star MVPs

basically everything except:

Rings
Finals MVPs

Where does he rank all time?

Top 15?

He would be the Dan Marino of the NBA. That is, some people would still call him the greatest of all time.

[HoopsNY]

So, still the same:

postseason and regular season averages
MVPs
scoring titles
All-NBA teams
All star MVPs

basically everything except:

Rings
Finals MVPs

Where does he rank all time?

Top 15?

It wouldn't be that simple to say he ranks this or that. The question would be, why didn't he win a title. For every great player, there are defining moments in their career that prevented them from rising above their ranking.

If he didn't win any titles, did he make the finals? If he didn't, what happened in the playoffs that prevented him from advancing. If he did make the finals, why did he lose. And how often did he lose? Was he poor in clutch situations? Did he not rise to the occasion in big moments and games?

Did another player outplay him on route to them winning? That drastically changes things when discussing a player's ranking because they didn't win a ring.

[Overdrive]

You just admitted LeBron can win without “superstar help” thus rendering your posting career meaningless.

He wouldn't get it.

OT: Barkley and Malone are usually considered around Top 20. Barkley having less longevity, less MVPs. Malone having less MVPs, similar longevity, but a less well rounded game. So Lebron would easily rank higher than them.

The top 10 is usually gatekept by winning rings, but Lebron would be a curious case. His skillset is so unique. A mix between a pg and highscoring wing. The league hasn't seen that before him. Pippen and Hill showed glimpses, but they were not close in numbers.
So combined with the longevity and his accolades I think he could break into the top 10 or atleast be close.

[AirBonner]

3ball’s autism flaring up in here lmao

[SouBeachTalents]

3ball’s autism flaring up in here lmao
My favorite part of his autistic rambling was claiming he never saw the thread title, which is literally impossible since he clicked on the fcking thread in the first place :lol

[Full Court]

Take away his FMVPs and he drops from top 10 to top 30. He basically becomes Barkley.

[John8204]

I think he'll still be in top twenty with four MVP's and if he gets the scoring record...it really depends on who wins those four titles.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Stupid Question

[dankok8]

I think he'd be in the top 15 for me. 4 MVP's is a serious achievement.