In the history of 3-pointer basketball, who has the most rings as the best player?

[3ba11]

and do they have TWICE as many as anyone else?

[SouBeachTalents]

Scottie Pippen.

[GrayGoat]

Scottie Pippen.

Speaking of Pippen, he has the same career 3pt percentage as MJ

[ShawkFactory]

Scottie Pippen.

[86Celtics]

Bill Russell

[dankok8]

The Lakers --> 11 rings since 1980

[Kblaze8855]

Not unless you actually think Tony Parker was better at basketball than Tim Duncan was in 2007.

[3ba11]

Speaking of Pippen, he has the same career 3pt percentage as MJ


Only Jordan shot well at any meaningful volume, including 37% on 3 attempts in 90' regular season, or 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs (better than 19' Kawhi), or 43% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals.

So anytime Jordan had meaningful volume, he shot at today's standard, while also being the goat 2-point jumpshooter.

[AirBonner]

Only Jordan shot well at any meaningful volume, including 37% on 3 attempts in 90' regular season, or 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs (better than 19' Kawhi), or 43% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals.

So anytime Jordan had meaningful volume, he shot at today's standard, while also being the goat 2-point jumpshooter.

Why could MJ hit a lot of meaningless 2’s but not a lot of meaningless 3’s? By your logic they were only meaningful because he made them ;)

[Axe]

Robert horry

[3ba11]

Scottie Pippen.


Career Finals

JORDAN..... 34 and 6.0 apg (2.8 tov).. 48%.. #1 clutch
PIPPEN'...... 19 and 5.9 apg (3.3 tov).. 42%.. kukoc


Career Playoffs

JORDAN..... 33 and 5.7 apg (3.1 tov).. 49%.. #1 clutch
PIPPEN'...... 17 and 5.3 apg (2.9 tov).. 44%.. kukoc


Career Regular Season

JORDAN..... 30 and 5.3 apg (2.7 tov).. 50%.. #1 clutch
PIPPEN'...... 16 and 5.2 apg (2.8 tov).. 47%.. kukoc



So no

Pippen is the only guy that failed to reach Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample size (0/6 in reaching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals)

Pippen was also drastically outplayed by Reggie Miller against the exact same playoff opponent 5/5 times - Pippen would wet the bed and then Miller would dominate the exact same opponent (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493657-Reggie-Miller-and-Pippen-faced-the-same-opponent-in-the-playoffs-6-times)

[Manny98]

and do they have TWICE as many as anyone else?
LeBron has 4 so no and no AD was not better than LeBron in 2020 :facepalm

[3ba11]

LeBron has 4 so no and no AD was not better than LeBron in 2020 :facepalm


Who carried the Lakers to the Finals by dominating Joker in the "real" Finals (WCF)??

Who led Lakers in scoring for regular season and playoffs, while lifting the defense from worst to first?

[Manny98]

Who carried the Lakers to the Finals by dominating Joker in the "real" Finals (WCF)??

Who led Lakers in scoring for regular season and playoffs, while lifting the defense from worst to first?
LeBron lead the Lakers in assists,rebounds,PER, and BPM that playoffs and lead the team in scoring in the finals

AD has zero argument for being the Lakers best player

[3ba11]

AD has zero argument for being the Lakers best player





Except that the Lakers were lottery before he arrived

He lifted them from lottery to champion by transforming the defense (worst to first) and leading the Lakers in scoring for regular season and playoffs.

So I guess MJ was twice as many rings as the best player than Bron

[Manny98]

Except that the Lakers were lottery before he arrived

He lifted them from lottery to champion by transforming the defense (worst to first) and leading the Lakers in scoring for regular season and playoffs.

So I guess MJ was twice as many rings as the best player that Bron
They were lottery because LeBron missed half the bloody season, they would have made the playoffs otherwise, AD obviously made them better and I would argue he was the second best player on the planet in 2020

[3ba11]

They were lottery because LeBron missed half the bloody season





Lebron only missed 1/3 of the season, which is similar to Curry or Kawhi during their most recent title seasons (22' and 19')

So I guess you're wrong

[Axe]

Damn, manny bodybagging 3ball itt.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron only missed 1/3 of the season, which is similar to Curry or Kawhi during their most recent title seasons (22' and 19')

So I guess you're wrong
Jordan missed the entire season and Pippen won 55 games.

[AirBonner]

Damn manny back from his Kyrie-like vacation and is instantly schooling 3ball

[Full Court]

Scottie Pippen.


Scottie Pippen.

Apparently these guys haven't figured out that Scottie never won a single FMVP. :lol

Actually they know, they're just in damage control mode.

[Full Court]

Scottie Pippen.


Scottie Pippen.


They were lottery because LeBron missed half the bloody season, they would have made the playoffs otherwise, AD obviously made them better and I would argue he was the second best player on the planet in 2020

They were below .500 with Bronie playing.

No AD, no playoffs.

No Lebron, no difference.

The man led a super team to the lottery. That's just a fact.

[1987_Lakers]

They were below .500 with Bronie playing.

No AD, no playoffs.

No Lebron, no difference.

The man led a super team to the lottery. That's just a fact.

Don't you have Wilt top 3 all-time?

1968 Lakers without Wilt: Lost in the Finals
1969 Lakers with Wilt: Lost in the Finals

No Wilt, no difference.

In fact, you also believed Morant should have been MVP despite his team being 19-2 without him.

The hypocrisy. :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Don't you have Wilt top 3 all-time?

1968 Lakers without Wilt: Lost in the Finals
1969 Lakers with Wilt: Lost in the Finals

No Wilt, no difference.

In fact, you also believed Morant should have been MVP despite his team being 19-2 without him.

The hypocrisy. :oldlol:
Full Retard strikes again. “Bronie! Bronie! Bronie! BROOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! :cry:”

[ShawkFactory]

Apparently these guys haven't figured out that Scottie never won a single FMVP. :lol

Actually they know, they're just in damage control mode.

You’re legit dumb.

[ShawkFactory]

Not unless you actually think Tony Parker was better at basketball than Tim Duncan was in 2007.

Shhhh the kids are talking!

[kawhileonard2]

LeBron lead the Lakers in assists,rebounds,PER, and BPM that playoffs and lead the team in scoring in the finals

AD has zero argument for being the Lakers best player

AD made 1st team all nba and 1st team defensive. Lebron didn't do that.

[kawhileonard2]

They were below .500 with Bronie playing.

No AD, no playoffs.

No Lebron, no difference.

The man led a super team to the lottery. That's just a fact.

True!

[Full Court]

You’re legit dumb.

I clearly have far more brain power than you, so if I'm dumb, I guess that makes you legit retarded. :confusedshrug:

[Full Court]

Full Retard strikes again. “Bronie! Bronie! Bronie! BROOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! :cry:”

You get very upset by facts, don't you? Especially facts that intrude upon your fantasy world where Bronie is not an overrated fraud.

The truth hurts. :lol

[Full Court]

Don't you have Wilt top 3 all-time?

1968 Lakers without Wilt: Lost in the Finals
1969 Lakers with Wilt: Lost in the Finals

No Wilt, no difference.

In fact, you also believed Morant should have been MVP despite his team being 19-2 without him.

The hypocrisy. :oldlol:

Every time you have no intelligent response to my arguments, you automatically default to, "Bu-bu-bu-but Wilt!!!"

:lol It's kind of cute.

And yes, your hero couldn't even pass up Wilt in the all time list, much less MJ.

It must suck to be a Bronie.

[1987_Lakers]

Every time you have no intelligent response to my arguments, you automatically default to, "Bu-bu-bu-but Wilt!!!"

:lol It's kind of cute.

And yes, your hero couldn't even pass up Wilt in the all time list, much less MJ.

It must suck to be a Bronie.

Remember when you said Wilt had "empty stats", but the reason why you had Wilt top 3 was because of his "stats".

:lol

[Manny98]

Lebron only missed 1/3 of the season, which is similar to Curry or Kawhi during their most recent title seasons (22' and 19')

So I guess you're wrong
And they fell from the 3rd seed in the West to the 10th seed in the stretch he missed and he came back early from his injury and wasn't remotely close to 100% for the rest of that season :facepalm

[3ba11]

And they fell from the 3rd seed in the West to the 10th seed in the stretch he missed and he came back early from his injury and wasn't remotely close to 100% for the rest of that season :facepalm


The Lakers were 20-14 and the 4 seed when Lebron went down, which is a 48-win pace and therefore tied with the Clippers for the 8 seed, except they lose the tie-breaker and are lottery.

So the 20-14 pace during the easiest part of the schedule was never going to be enough to make it because a half dozen teams below them exceeded that pace the remainder of the year.. Everyone else is building chemistry as the year progresses, while the Lakers were stagnant in Lebron-ball - future HOF Ingram and Kuzma saw 1-year drops across the board alongside Lebron (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, 3-pt efficiency).. Lebron's skillset imposes spot-up roles that stall young players like Ingram and Pippen, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (AD, Wade, Kyrie)

[light]

Speaking of Pippen, he has the same career 3pt percentage as MJ

Both were crap three point shooters. Both had similar problems with their shot - it was flat. Line drives. The league mercifully brought the three point line in closer for them in 1996 and 1997. Without that their percentages would be even worse.

[Full Court]

Remember when you said Wilt had "empty stats", but the reason why you had Wilt top 3 was because of his "stats".

:lol

"Wilt............" :lebroncry:


You're funny :lol

Even funnier that you can't point me to a year that Wilt led a superteam to the lottery. Or got outscored by Jason Terry.

[Johnny32]

mj and duh bulls won in a dino big non shooting era. it doesn't matter how desperately you try to change this fact.

[Phoenix]

Make this into a poll OP, so we can all fukk up (further) your life by voting for Scottie.

[1987_Lakers]

"Wilt............" :lebroncry:


You're funny :lol

Even funnier that you can't point me to a year that Wilt led a superteam to the lottery. Or got outscored by Jason Terry.

Wilt got outscored by Don Nelson in the '69 Finals. :roll:

You're not very good at this.

[8Ball]

Wilt got outscored by Don Nelson in the '69 Finals. :roll:

You're not very good at this.

Wilt averaged 14 ppg in the 69 playoffs.

18 games averaging 14 ppg.


Playoff PPG = 22

Top 3 all time player :lol

[8Ball]

and do they have TWICE as many as anyone else?

LeBron.

Jordan played 2 years in the WNBA line which we don't count when comparing 3 point shooting.

[Manny98]

The Lakers were 20-14 and the 4 seed when Lebron went down, which is a 48-win pace and therefore tied with the Clippers for the 8 seed, except they lose the tie-breaker and are lottery.

So the 20-14 pace during the easiest part of the schedule was never going to be enough to make it because a half dozen teams below them exceeded that pace the remainder of the year.. Everyone else is building chemistry as the year progresses, while the Lakers were stagnant in Lebron-ball - future HOF Ingram and Kuzma saw 1-year drops across the board alongside Lebron (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, 3-pt efficiency).. Lebron's skillset imposes spot-up roles that stall young players like Ingram and Pippen, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (AD, Wade, Kyrie)
They started the season slow as they went through a figuring out process

Prior to the injury the Lakers were on a roll so they would have won 50+ barring injuries

[TheGoatest]

Considering "3 pointer basketball" didn't start until the mid-to-late 2000s, here are the chips won as the best player:

LeBron - 4
Curry - 2
Durant - 2
Duncan - 2
Kobe - 2
Dirk - 1
Giannis - 1
Kawhi - 1

[3ba11]

They started the season slow as they went through a figuring out process

Prior to the injury the Lakers were on a roll so they would have won 50+ barring injuries


Every team has many partial-year injuries

It evens out unless a team misses someone for the whole year

If we want to assume no injuries for the Lakers, then we must do that for every team and the result is the same - lottery

So they were a lottery team in disarray, with future HOF's like Ingram suppressed by Lebron-ball and rudely dangled as trade bait (destroyed chemistry, trust, team unity)

[r15mohd]

Every team has many partial-year injuries

It evens out unless a team misses someone for the whole year

If we want to assume no injuries for the Lakers, then we must do that for every team and the result is the same - lottery

So they were a lottery team in disarray, with future HOF's like Ingram suppressed by Lebron-ball and rudely dangled as trade bait (destroyed chemistry, trust, team unity)

"destroyed chemistry, trust, team unity" yet somehow won a title from it as the best player. man how good is this Lebron guy!

[3ba11]

"destroyed chemistry, trust, team unity" yet somehow won a title from it as the best player. man how good is this Lebron guy!


AD turned the defense from worst to first and led the team in scoring, while also carrying the Lakers to the Finals by dominating Joker in the "real" Finals (WCF)

That's how AD turned a lottery team into champion

[ShawkFactory]

AD turned the defense from worst to first and led the team in scoring, while also carrying the Lakers to the Finals by dominating Joker in the "real" Finals (WCF)

That's how AD turned a lottery team into champion

Why was the WCF the real finals?

[8Ball]

AD turned the defense from worst to first and led the team in scoring, while also carrying the Lakers to the Finals by dominating Joker in the "real" Finals (WCF)

That's how AD turned a lottery team into champion

AD is like Scottie Pippen of the 90s.

1st team all-nba + 1st team all defence.

[3ba11]

Not unless you actually think Tony Parker was better at basketball than Tim Duncan was in 2007.


Parker's domination represents superior help than Jordan ever had

Duncan simply had more help than Jordan.. And he had other guys like Robinson and Ginobili

But despite having FMVP teammates and not having to carry his team on every playoff run like Jordan, Duncan was still the best player for 4 chips

So Jordan has 50% more than Duncan and twice as many as anyone else

[3ba11]

AD is like Scottie Pippen of the 90s.

1st team all-nba + 1st team all defence.


AD didn't need to be raised from a baby and carried to titles to achieve that.. He didn't need the winning spotlight, dynasty system, or association with the goat to get that accolade

Similar to Wiggins, AD wasn't horrible outside of championship franchise, whereas Pippen was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle and dynasty system that he grew up in

[8Ball]

AD didn't need to be raised from a baby and carried to titles to achieve that.. He didn't need the winning spotlight, dynasty system, or association with the goat to get that accolade

Similar to Wiggins, AD wasn't horrible outside of championship franchise, whereas Pippen was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle and dynasty system that he grew up in

Pippen won 55 games without Jordan so that proves Jordan never "raised" pippen.


In fact Jordan was 1-9 in playoff series before Pippen arrived so your argument here is moot.

[3ba11]

Pippen won 55 games without Jordan so that proves Jordan never "raised" pippen.


In fact Jordan was 1-9 in playoff series before Pippen arrived so your argument here is moot.


Exactly - Pippen won 55 with a 3-peat system

He needed the system and was nothing without it

He was literally a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle and dynasty system that he grew up in... Heck, Wiggins was 18-24 ppg outside the Warriors.. So only Pippen was completely built by MJ's championship franchise and was nothing without it

And Jordan's 1-9 was a timing coincidence because nearly everyone loses in their first few years like Lebron, Giannis, Curry and Durant were lottery

By Jordan's 3rd healthy season (88'), he made 2nd Round just like 06' Lebron.. The difference is that Jordan had a rookie, low seed in a conference that required a super-team to win, while Lebron had a veteran high seed in a conference that 1-star teams mostly won

[8Ball]

Exactly - Pippen won 55 with a 3-peat system

He needed the system and was nothing without it

He was literally a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle and dynasty system that he grew up in... Heck, Wiggins was 18-24 ppg outside the Warriors.. So only Pippen was completely built by MJ's championship franchise and was nothing without it

And Jordan's 1-9 was a timing coincidence because nearly everyone loses in their first few years like Lebron, Giannis, Curry and Durant were lottery

By Jordan's 3rd healthy season (88'), he made 2nd Round just like 06' Lebron.. The difference is that Jordan had a rookie, low seed in a conference that required a super-team to win, while Lebron had a veteran high seed in a conference that 1-star teams mostly won

What 3 peat system?

They lost their 33 ppg player and still managed to win 55 games.


The 3 peat system was the rest of the supporting cast.

[3ba11]

What 3 peat system?

They lost their 33 ppg player and still managed to win 55 games.


The 3 peat system was the rest of the supporting cast.


When did Pippen do anything without the 3-peat system?..

True #1 options are supposed to build a team each year but the 95' Bulls were borderline lottery before MJ returned..

So Pippen literally destroyed the dynasty in 18 months with historic chokes and MJ restored the 3-peat... Again

[r15mohd]

AD turned the defense from worst to first and led the team in scoring, while also carrying the Lakers to the Finals by dominating Joker in the "real" Finals (WCF)

That's how AD turned a lottery team into champion

AD led the reg season by 0.8 pts and the playoffs by 01.pts avg - and that is now significant to you?? what happened to the scoring load/carry-job narrative you push of it being 10pt+

hypocrisy much - as always

[8Ball]

When did Pippen do anything without the 3-peat system?..

True #1 options are supposed to build a team each year but the 95' Bulls were borderline lottery before MJ returned..

So Pippen literally destroyed the dynasty in 18 months with historic chokes and MJ restored the 3-peat... Again

Pippen without the Bulls 3 peat system (supporting cast) managed to win 59 games and take the Lakers in 2000 to 7 games in the WCF.

[3ba11]

AD led the reg season by 0.8 pts and the playoffs by 01.pts avg - and that is now significant to you?? what happened to the scoring load/carry-job narrative you push of it being 10pt+

hypocrisy much - as always


So they were equal

Equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals).

So people don't understand that Jordans's job wasn't just to score - it was to CARRY the scoring load (defeat maximum defensive attention) in every series, playoff run and Finals.

Carrying the scoring load entails defeating maximum defensive attention alongside secondary producers like Wiggins, Pippen or Klay.. These hustlers/defenders are much easier to find than the star scoring help required of guys that can't carry the scoring load like Lebron or Magic.

Ultimately, Magic and Lebron lack the elite jumps shooting skill required to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals).. In addition to the jumpshooting, they're also too ball-dominant at high scoring levels to beat top teams, thus requiring equal-scoring partners

[1987_Lakers]

Wilt got outscored by Don Nelson in the '69 Finals. :roll:

You're not very good at this.

Full court ran. :pimp:

[Hey Yo]

Exactly - Pippen won 55 with a 3-peat system

He needed the system and was nothing without it

He was literally a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score outside the triangle and dynasty system that he grew up in... Heck, Wiggins was 18-24 ppg outside the Warriors.. So only Pippen was completely built by MJ's championship franchise and was nothing without it

And Jordan's 1-9 was a timing coincidence because nearly everyone loses in their first few years like Lebron, Giannis, Curry and Durant were lottery

By Jordan's 3rd healthy season (88'), he made 2nd Round just like 06' Lebron.. The difference is that Jordan had a rookie, low seed in a conference that required a super-team to win, while Lebron had a veteran high seed in a conference that 1-star teams mostly won
MJ couldnt win outside of Phil's system. That's why he refused to play for another coach and quit the league again.

No Phil, no will.

[3ba11]

MJ couldnt win outside of Phil's system. That's why he refused to play for another coach and quit the league again.

No Phil, no will.


He quit the league in 98' because he was too old to build another team of single-digit rookies into the goat dynasty again

Not enough time.. He was already 35

He built a borderline lottery team in 95' into a 3-peat dynasty and did the same thing with a team of rookies from 88-93'...

But at 35? Build another bum team into a dynasty? Even the goat would prefer to retire

[8Ball]

Full court ran. :pimp:

WiLt iS a ToP 3 PlAyEr :rolleyes:

[Full Court]

WiLt iS a ToP 3 PlAyEr :rolleyes:

Wilt - #3 all time.

Bronie - fringe top 10.

Your boy is lucky he never had to play against Wilt. He'd get ragdolled on the court just like you get ragdolled by me on ISH. :roll:

[8Ball]

Wilt - #3 all time.

Bronie - fringe top 10.

Your boy is lucky he never had to play against Wilt. He'd get ragdolled on the court just like you get ragdolled by me on ISH. :roll:

Nobody intelligent puts wilt in their top 3 only clown casual fans.

[Full Court]

Nobody intelligent puts wilt in their top 3 only clown casual fans.

The truth REAAALLLLLY hurts this dingus. :roll:

You can make all the damage control excuses you want, but

Wilt - #3

Bronie - fringe top 10.

Your GOAT is an underachiever.











Much like you. :roll:

[8Ball]

The truth REAAALLLLLY hurts this dingus. :roll:

You can make all the damage control excuses you want, but

Wilt - #3

Bronie - fringe top 10.

Your GOAT is an underachiever.











Much like you. :roll:

Wilt lost to a guy that averaged 15 ppg on 40%, and lost about 8x or something vs that player.

WiLt iS a ToP 3 PlAyEr :lol :roll:

[Full Court]

Wilt lost to a guy that averaged 15 ppg on 40%, and lost about 8x or something vs that player.

WiLt iS a ToP 3 PlAyEr :lol :roll:

And he's STILL ahead of Bronie on the all time list. :lol

Ponder that one for a while.

[8Ball]

And he's STILL ahead of Bronie on the all time list. :lol

Ponder that one for a while.


You won't find one intelligent basketball historian to agree with you there.

Nobody intelligent puts wilt in their top 3 only clown casual fans.

Ponder that one for a while.

[Full Court]

You won't find one intelligent basketball historian to agree with you there.

Nobody intelligent puts wilt in their top 3 only clown casual fans.

Ponder that one for a while.

Oh, so now all of a sudden sports historian opinion matters, when nearly every one of them ranks MJ over Lebron. :roll:

[8Ball]

Oh, so now all of a sudden sports historian opinion matters, when nearly every one of them ranks MJ over Lebron. :roll:

They all rank LeBron 2nd, and by the time LeBron passes Kareem half of them will put LeBron 1st. It's inevitable.

[Full Court]

They all rank LeBron 2nd, and by the time LeBron passes Kareem half of them will put LeBron 1st. It's inevitable.

I can't wait to see you melt down even more when Bronie passes Kareem, and nobody cares. He passed MJ a long time ago. Did it make any difference whatsoever. Nope. Only Bronies care about empty longevity stats.

[1987_Lakers]

"Wilt............" :lebroncry:


You're funny :lol

Even funnier that you can't point me to a year that Wilt led a superteam to the lottery. Or got outscored by Jason Terry.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1969-nba-finals-celtics-vs-lakers.html


To add to being outscored by Don Nelson in '69, he was also outscored by Larry Siegfried and Johnny Egan.

I don't think fullcourt knows how to use bballreference, I remember months back he didn't believe me when I said that the Lakers offense got worse when they signed Wilt until I showed him evidence.

Still hilarious how this dude has Wilt top 3 ever when most of the things he gives LeBron a hard time for, Wilt was known for it. He still can't fully articulate why he has Wilt top 3.

[1987_Lakers]

And he's STILL ahead of Bronie on the all time list. :lol

Ponder that one for a while.

This isn't true at all, don't be a liar. Most lists have LeBron ahead of Wilt.

[SouBeachTalents]

This isn't true at all, don't be a liar. Most lists have LeBron ahead of Wilt.
The guy keeps droning on about "LeBron's fringe top 10" when there's literally not a single list or ranking that would have him outside the top 2-3. He's clearly not someone who's interested in reality :lol

[3ba11]

The guy keeps droning on about "LeBron's fringe top 10" when there's literally not a single list or ranking that would have him outside the top 2-3. He's clearly not someone who's interested in reality :lol


Tons of rankings have him borderline top 10, like Skip Bayless' rankings

And Kenny Smith has him #9

And I have him #12

Plenty more

[1987_Lakers]

Tons of rankings have him borderline top 10, like Skip Bayless' rankings

And Kenny Smith has him #9

And I have him #12

Plenty more


https://www.talkbasket.net/123421-kenny-smith-says-lebron-james-is-now-top-5-all-time-after-previously-ranking-him-10th

3ball caught lying again.

[1987_Lakers]

Another funny thing, Skip Bayless despite being the biggest LeBron hater in the media has him ranked ahead of Wilt as well, not that I take his rankings serious.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/jordan-magic-bird-lebron-land-in-skips-all-time-top-10

[Full Court]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1969-nba-finals-celtics-vs-lakers.html


To add to being outscored by Don Nelson in '69, he was also outscored by Larry Siegfried and Johnny Egan.

I don't think fullcourt knows how to use bballreference, I remember months back he didn't believe me when I said that the Lakers offense got worse when they signed Wilt until I showed him evidence.

Still hilarious how this dude has Wilt top 3 ever when most of the things he gives LeBron a hard time for, Wilt was known for it. He still can't fully articulate why he has Wilt top 3.

I've fully articulated why I have Wilt in the top 3 in multiple threads. You just choose to ignore it. Nor have you answered my arguments.

[1987_Lakers]

I've fully articulated why I have Wilt in the top 3 in multiple threads. You just choose to ignore it. Nor have you answered my arguments.

Your argument was because of "stats", right after you said his stats were "empty".

[Full Court]

Your argument was because of "stats", right after you said his stats were "empty".

Lol. You're going to bait me into rehashing the same argument for a fourth time. I get it - you love Lebron and not Wilt. You can rank both of them wherever your little heart desires.

I've still got Wilt #3, and Bronie down around Kobe level. And I'm not going to change my rankings because a Bronie accuses me of [oh, the horror], HYPOCRISY. :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Tons of rankings have him borderline top 10, like Skip Bayless' rankings

And Kenny Smith has him #9

And I have him #12

Plenty more
Jesus Christ, this dude legit lives in his own reality :lol "Tons of rankings" would mean more than a professional troll and someone with severe mental illness, and '87 Lakers already debunked the other one.

The bitter irony is it's his real favorite player that's actually borderline top 10 lol.

[3ba11]

Jesus Christ, this dude legit lives in his own reality :lol "Tons of rankings" would mean more than a professional troll and someone with severe mental illness, and '87 Lakers already debunked the other one.

The bitter irony is it's his real favorite player that's actually borderline top 10 lol.


Many people have Lebron borderline top 10 - this is a fact that I just showed you

It's just the media that puts him #2... That's a small handful of people

[1987_Lakers]

Many people have Lebron borderline top 10 - this is a fact that I just showed you

It's just the media that puts him #2... That's a small handful of people

Which fact? The one where you lied about Kenny Smith having him #9?

[3ba11]

Which fact, the one where you lied about Kenny Smith having him #9?


Kenny might not even have him in the top 10:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Shr7yHDx8Lk


A lot of people have him borderline top 10

And this will be the STANDARD once Giannis, Curry, Kawhi or KD get more rings

[1987_Lakers]

Kenny might not even have him in the top 10:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Shr7yHDx8Lk


A lot of people have him borderline top 10

And this will be the STANDARD once Giannis, Curry, Kawhi or KD get more rings

Article I posted was from 2021 where he had him top 5. Your vid is from 2020 before he won his 4th title.

You lied.

[SouBeachTalents]

Many people have Lebron borderline top 10 - this is a fact that I just showed you

It's just the media that puts him #2... That's a small handful of people
Prove it, post those rankings. Should be easy if it's a fact like you claim it is.

If your response is anything but rankings you've conceded the argument and admitted you're lying.

[sdot_thadon]

Lovenhow Op says 3pointer basketball like Mjs era is anything like this one in 3s. Check this out:

In 1960 the NBA champion Celtics took: 0.3 pointers a game

In 1998 the NBA champion Bulls took: 11.7 3 pointers a game

In 2016 the NBA champion Cavaliers took: 29.6 3 pointers a game

Mj's era is closer to no 3 pointer era ball than it is this one.

[1987_Lakers]

Prove it, post those rankings. Should be easy if it's a fact like you claim it is.

If your response is anything but rankings you've conceded the argument and admitted you're lying.

3ball ran

[8Ball]

Kenny might not even have him in the top 10:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Shr7yHDx8Lk


A lot of people have him borderline top 10

And this will be the STANDARD once Giannis, Curry, Kawhi or KD get more rings

Article 1987_Lakers posted was from 2021 where he had him top 5. Your vid is from 2020 before he won his 4th title.

You lied.

[8Ball]

Tons of rankings have him borderline top 10, like Skip Bayless' rankings

And Kenny Smith has him #9

And I have him #12

Plenty more

Stop lying.

Kenny Smith:


“LeBron moved up up my list. He passed the Larry Bird, Magic status. So…. now he’s in the top five.”

https://www.talkbasket.net/123421-kenny-smith-says-lebron-james-is-now-top-5-all-time-after-previously-ranking-him-10th

[8Ball]

I've fully articulated why I have Wilt in the top 3 in multiple threads. You just choose to ignore it. Nor have you answered my arguments.

How is Wilt top 3?

wilt = 2 chips, 4 mvps, 1 fmvp
lebron = 4 chips, 4 mvps, 4 fmvp

Wilt = All-nba 1st and 2nd team 10x
LeBron = 18 All-nba teams. LeBron nearly doubles wilt in All-nba 1st team.

Wilt = 2 all-defensive teams
LeBron = 6.

LeBron higher on the scoring list + assist list.
LeBron's playoff scoring doesn't drop off for HALF of his career.


There is no articulation possible to convince anyone that Wilt is top 3 and over LeBron.

[8Ball]

The biggest indictment on Wilt himself what Bill Simmons said:

"Wilt was a straight up LOSER, he was traded twice in his prime, teams didn't want him, imagine Jordan or LeBron being traded in their prime"

[1987_Lakers]

The biggest indictment on Wilt himself what Bill Simmons said:

"Wilt was a straight up LOSER, he was traded twice in his prime, teams didn't want him, imagine Jordan or LeBron being traded in their prime"
I wouldn't go as far as calling him a cancer.

He kinda forced his way into the Lakers, he demanded a trade from the Sixers. With the Warriors, the franchise was low on money and Wilt and the owner did not get along.

With the right pieces, he could transform a team into title contenders like he did with the Sixers, but there is no doubt in my mind that he is the most overrated offensive player ever. People just look at his stats and are enamored by them without looking at more context.

Wilt averaged 42 ppg in his first 5 seasons with the Warriors, but the Warriors as a team were only an average offense in one of those seasons ('62). They always ranked near the bottom in offense when Wilt was there. Even MJ & LeBron were able to have seasons where they had top 10 offenses when they didn't have much help, LeBron in particular led the Cavs to the #4 offense in '09.

Lakers offense slightly regressed when they added Wilt.
101.7 ORTG without Wilt in '68
98.5 ORTG with Wilt in '69

Sixers offense with and without Wilt...
98.1 ORTG with Wilt in '68
98.1 ORTG without Wilt in '69.

No drop off whatsoever.

To me Wilt gets more overlooked as a defender, he was an all-time great defender in his prime, but his impact on the offensive end wasn't anywhere near as great as some people make it out to be. If he had Russell's mentality and just cared more about winning more than his own stats we might be having Wilt GOAT convos right now. Instead, this is a dude so obsessed with stats and records that he was having this type of reaction when Glen Rice broke his All-star record...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vShi7hQSL1k
10 min mark.

I mean seriously, who the fvck gets this upset about someone breaking your All-star record? :roll:

[8Ball]

Good post about Wilt.