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AirBonner
09-01-2022, 08:55 PM
25ppg was plenty
HoopsNY
09-01-2022, 10:17 PM
25ppg was plenty

Did you not read my posts from the other thread? Guys like Kobe, LeBron, MJ, and Durant are all the same. Their teams do better when they took <20 FGA a game.

You're saying this like Kobe wasn't shooting a lot those years in question. From 2008-10, Kobe averaged 21 FGA per game. He reduced his FGA, but not by some insanely wide margin.

Kobe '08-'10: 21.0 FGA
Kobe '00-'07: 21.7 FGA

Now focusing on the years they reached the finals....

Kobe >20 FGA '08-10: 73-48 (.601%) | 49 win pace
Kobe <20 FGA '08-10: 85-14 (.859%) | 71 win pace

The fact that Kobe wasn't scoring 30 PPG in the regular season is irrelevant. Kobe averaged 29.8 PPG in the playoffs from 2008-10.
Spurs m8
09-01-2022, 10:23 PM
Imagine thinking it was this black and white.

Fvck me dead, op is braindead
Full Court
09-01-2022, 10:33 PM
Kobe - 5 championships.
Jordan - 6.

Kobe - 2 FMVP.
Jordan 6.

:biggums:
SouBeachTalents
09-01-2022, 10:50 PM
Kobe - 5 championships.
Jordan - 6.

Kobe - 2 FMVP.
Jordan 6.

:biggums:
Wilt - 2 championships.
LeBron- 4.

Wilt - 1 FMVP.
LeBron 4.

:biggums:
Full Court
09-01-2022, 11:02 PM
Wilt - 2 championships.
LeBron- 4.

Wilt - 1 FMVP.
LeBron 4.

:biggums:

Jordan - 6 championship, 6 FMVP in 15 years.
Bronie - 4 championships, 4 FMVP in 19 years.

:biggums:
Gohan
09-02-2022, 03:36 PM
Jordan - 6 championship, 6 FMVP in 15 years.
Bronie - 4 championships, 4 FMVP in 19 years.

:biggums:

Why you did him like that?
TheMan
09-02-2022, 05:59 PM
Jordan - 6 championship, 6 FMVP in 15 years.
Bronie - 4 championships, 4 FMVP in 19 years.

:biggums:

Rat

Poison
3ba11
09-02-2022, 06:34 PM
Did you not read my posts from the other thread? Guys like Kobe, LeBron, MJ, and Durant are all the same. Their teams do better when they took <20 FGA a game.

You're saying this like Kobe wasn't shooting a lot those years in question. From 2008-10, Kobe averaged 21 FGA per game. He reduced his FGA, but not by some insanely wide margin.

Kobe '08-'10: 21.0 FGA
Kobe '00-'07: 21.7 FGA

Now focusing on the years they reached the finals....

Kobe >20 FGA '08-10: 73-48 (.601%) | 49 win pace
Kobe <20 FGA '08-10: 85-14 (.859%) | 71 win pace

The fact that Kobe wasn't scoring 30 PPG in the regular season is irrelevant. Kobe averaged 29.8 PPG in the playoffs from 2008-10.


So Kobe shot less than 20 times about 40% of the time, while MJ's far greater burden resulted in only 24% of the time...

And Lebron shot the least and won the least.. :oldlol:

Kobe shot more and won more... MJ shot the most and won the most... :pimp:

The key is efficiency - ONLY MJ could shoot fantastically at carry-job volume... That's why he's the only guy to win a bunch of chips with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen-caliber rather than all-time scorers and elite 1st options like Kareem, Wade, AD or Kyrie
warriorfan
09-02-2022, 07:01 PM
Jordan - 6 championship, 6 FMVP in 15 years.
Bronie - 4 championships, 4 FMVP in 19 years.

:biggums:

Checkmate.
outofstomach
09-02-2022, 07:53 PM
Rat

Poison
:lol
light
09-02-2022, 08:24 PM
25ppg was plenty

Yeah it wasn't about that. Jordan's scoring had nothing to do with wanting to win. He scored entirely for selfish reasons, principally to win scoring titles to surpass Wilt. Jordan put scoring above everything else because he figured that if he scored the most points everyone would give him the most credit, which is the other thing he wanted, the most credit.

Jordan was a very, very selfish player. Very insecure.
Full Court
09-02-2022, 10:41 PM
Yeah it wasn't about that. Jordan's scoring had nothing to do with wanting to win. He scored entirely for selfish reasons, principally to win scoring titles to surpass Wilt. Jordan put scoring above everything else because he figured that if he scored the most points everyone would give him the most credit, which is the other thing he wanted, the most credit.

Jordan was a very, very selfish player. Very insecure.

But he just HAPPENED to three-peat. TWICE.

:roll:
AirBonner
09-02-2022, 11:07 PM
But he just HAPPENED to three-peat. TWICE.

:roll:he just happened to never make the playoffs without Pippen
8Ball
09-03-2022, 01:41 AM
Yeah it wasn't about that. Jordan's scoring had nothing to do with wanting to win. He scored entirely for selfish reasons, principally to win scoring titles to surpass Wilt. Jordan put scoring above everything else because he figured that if he scored the most points everyone would give him the most credit, which is the other thing he wanted, the most credit.

Jordan was a very, very selfish player. Very insecure.

Considering Jordan approved the making of his last dance puff piece of the day Bron did the 2016 parade.

I believe this post.
TheGoatest
09-03-2022, 06:18 AM
jordon has the emptiest scoring stats in history, by far...

37.1 ppg
8.1 points ahead of the league #2 in ppg

Yet...

His team finished below .500
His team finished below a team that consisted of players who not ONCE were all-stars in their careers, and whose best player by far and leading scorer by a substantial margin was a rookie Chuck Person

You will never in NBA history find a bigger difference between an individual's ppg and how little those points affected his team's success.