MJ's 30-win 8 seed played 86' Celts closer than Lebron's title teams played Spurs/GSW

[3ba11]

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Hence,


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-03-2022/TUTiC-.gif

https://andscape.com/features/the-day-larry-bird-said-its-just-god-disguised-as-michael-jordan/

[AirBonner]

MJ was outclassed. Nope

[3ba11]

MJ was outclassed. Nope


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-03-2022/TUTiC-.gif

https://andscape.com/features/the-day-larry-bird-said-its-just-god-disguised-as-michael-jordan/

[1987_Lakers]

2 of those games were blowouts, in game 3 Chicago was down by 30 at one point.

Infact, the very next year MJ shit the bed in game 3 vs a weaker Celtics team, while Bird took over the 4th.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y&t

[AirBonner]

2 of those games were blowouts, in game 3 Chicago was down by 30 at one point.

Infact, the very next year MJ shit the bed in game 3 vs a weaker Celtics team, while Bird took over the 4th.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y&t

Yup bird was just propping MJ up so when he beat the shit out of him it would seem impressive

[3ba11]

2 of those games were blowouts, in game 3 Chicago was down by 30 at one point.

Infact, the very next year MJ shit the bed in game 3 vs a weaker Celtics team.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y&t


The Bulls/Celtics had smaller gap in ppg and ortg than the Heat/Spurs series in 14' or Cavs/Warriors in 18' (both were record losses)

[1987_Lakers]

From game 3 in '87.

Bird had 32/14/6 and hit for 15 fourth quarter points. A young MJ though struggled with his shooting and would get 30 points on only 9/30 shooting.

:oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

The Bulls'/Celtics had smaller gap in ppg and ortg than the Heat/Spurs series in 14' or Cavs/Warriors in 18' (both were record losses)

They lost game 1 by 19 points and in game 3 the Bulls were down by 30 at one point, Boston let off the gas in the 4th and it ended up being an 18 point game. Is that really what you are bragging about?

Pathetic.

[3ba11]

From game 3 in '87.

Bird had 32/14/6 and hit for 15 fourth quarter points. A young MJ though struggled with his shooting and would get 30 points on only 9/30 shooting.

:oldlol:


Bird wasn't facing maximum defensive attention - he didn't have to carry the scoring load and had 4 HOF teammates

Ultimately, Jordan had the worst team in playoff history (30-win, 8 seed) and played the 86' Celtics closer than Lebron's title teams played the 14" Spurs or 18' Warriors

[3ba11]

They lost game 1 by 19 points and in game 3 the Bulls were down by 30 at one point, Boston let off the gas in the 4th and it ended up being an 18 point game. Is that really what you are bragging about?

Pathetic.


Lebron was worse!!

He lost by more and he had title teams, not a 30-win 8 seed

[1987_Lakers]

Bird wasn't facing maximum defensive attention - he didn't have to carry the scoring load and had 4 HOF teammates

Ultimately, Jordan had the worst team in playoff history (30-win, 8 seed) and played the 86' Celtics closer than Lebron's title teams played the 14" Spurs or 18' Warriors

Look at the vid I posted, DJ slips at 34 sec mark, giving MJ an open jumper but he still bricks. :yaohappy:

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron was worse!!

He lost by more and he had title teams, not a 30-win 8 seed

LeBron outplayed every player from the Spurs & Warriors, you could argue LeBron and KD was a wash, both were terrific.

MJ on the other hand was struggling with his shooting and getting clearly outplayed by Bird in '87.

[1987_Lakers]

In fact, lets look at the times Bird owned MJ during that time.



I mean just look at the '87-'88 stretch where they matched up 10 times in the season and once in the playoffs. Both were healthy and MVP caliber players so no excuses for either player...


11/14/86
Bird - 37/10/5 (13/25 shooting)
Jordan - 48/5/1 (17/33 shooting)

Celtics win, I'd say it's a wash though.

01/02/87
Bird - 37/8/9 (61.1%)
Jordan - 34/8/3 (41.9%)

Celtics win, Bird easily wins the matchup. Highlights of the game here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=3ChmRhlFzk0&feature=emb_title
. As you can see Jordan made a pitiful attempt at guarding him.

27/01/87
Bird - 24/14/3 (39%)
Jordan - 30/6/4 (38%)

Celtics win. Wash.

28/01/87
Bird - 26/5/9 (65%)
Jordan - 27/4/4 (48%)
Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

27/03/87
Bird - 41/7/7 (58.6%)
Jordan - 22/7/7 (39.1%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

17/04/87
Bird - 38/8/7 (59%)
Jordan - 17/4/8 (33%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

12/01/88
Bird - 38/9/8 (58%)
Jordan - 42/4/6 (53%)

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

18/03/88
Bird - 19/10/6
Jordan - 50/9/5

Bulls win. Jordan finally wins head to head.

20/03/88
Bird - 33/7/8 (67%)
Jordan - 26/4/7 (56%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg&feature=emb_title

21/04/88
Bird - 44/10/3 (65.5%)
Jordan - 39/3/8 (51.5%)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdMjK-60H-k

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup *yawn*


Bird's record in this stretch? 9-1 while outperforming him in nearly every game. What makes this worse? Bird made Jordan look like a child when Jordan tried to guard him. Meanwhile the possessions I saw Bird guard Jordan, he defended him quite well (definitly wasn't gambling for steals to leave him open in the post).

Moreover, Jordan is 0-6 in the playoffs including this disaster in '87: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y (Jordan makes 0 shots in the 4th quarter...Bulls had a 7 point lead with 11 minutes left...but Bird showed up when it mattered while Jordan was no where to be seen)

[AirBonner]

In fact, lets look at the times Bird owned MJ during that time.



I mean just look at the '87-'88 stretch where they matched up 10 times in the season and once in the playoffs. Both were healthy and MVP caliber players so no excuses for either player...


11/14/86
Bird - 37/10/5 (13/25 shooting)
Jordan - 48/5/1 (17/33 shooting)

Celtics win, I'd say it's a wash though.

01/02/87
Bird - 37/8/9 (61.1%)
Jordan - 34/8/3 (41.9%)

Celtics win, Bird easily wins the matchup. Highlights of the game here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=3ChmRhlFzk0&feature=emb_title
. As you can see Jordan made a pitiful attempt at guarding him.

27/01/87
Bird - 24/14/3 (39%)
Jordan - 30/6/4 (38%)

Celtics win. Wash.

28/01/87
Bird - 26/5/9 (65%)
Jordan - 27/4/4 (48%)
Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

27/03/87
Bird - 41/7/7 (58.6%)
Jordan - 22/7/7 (39.1%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

17/04/87
Bird - 38/8/7 (59%)
Jordan - 17/4/8 (33%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

12/01/88
Bird - 38/9/8 (58%)
Jordan - 42/4/6 (53%)

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

18/03/88
Bird - 19/10/6
Jordan - 50/9/5

Bulls win. Jordan finally wins head to head.

20/03/88
Bird - 33/7/8 (67%)
Jordan - 26/4/7 (56%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg&feature=emb_title

21/04/88
Bird - 44/10/3 (65.5%)
Jordan - 39/3/8 (51.5%)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdMjK-60H-k

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup *yawn*


Bird's record in this stretch? 9-1 while outperforming him in nearly every game. What makes this worse? Bird made Jordan look like a child when Jordan tried to guard him. Meanwhile the possessions I saw Bird guard Jordan, he defended him quite well (definitly wasn't gambling for steals to leave him open in the post).

Moreover, Jordan is 0-6 in the playoffs including this disaster in '87: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y (Jordan makes 0 shots in the 4th quarter...Bulls had a 7 point lead with 11 minutes left...but Bird showed up when it mattered while Jordan was no where to be seen)
Well said. I have Bird >>>MJ

[8Ball]

In fact, lets look at the times Bird owned MJ during that time.



I mean just look at the '87-'88 stretch where they matched up 10 times in the season and once in the playoffs. Both were healthy and MVP caliber players so no excuses for either player...


11/14/86
Bird - 37/10/5 (13/25 shooting)
Jordan - 48/5/1 (17/33 shooting)

Celtics win, I'd say it's a wash though.

01/02/87
Bird - 37/8/9 (61.1%)
Jordan - 34/8/3 (41.9%)

Celtics win, Bird easily wins the matchup. Highlights of the game here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=3ChmRhlFzk0&feature=emb_title
. As you can see Jordan made a pitiful attempt at guarding him.

27/01/87
Bird - 24/14/3 (39%)
Jordan - 30/6/4 (38%)

Celtics win. Wash.

28/01/87
Bird - 26/5/9 (65%)
Jordan - 27/4/4 (48%)
Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

27/03/87
Bird - 41/7/7 (58.6%)
Jordan - 22/7/7 (39.1%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

17/04/87
Bird - 38/8/7 (59%)
Jordan - 17/4/8 (33%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

12/01/88
Bird - 38/9/8 (58%)
Jordan - 42/4/6 (53%)

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

18/03/88
Bird - 19/10/6
Jordan - 50/9/5

Bulls win. Jordan finally wins head to head.

20/03/88
Bird - 33/7/8 (67%)
Jordan - 26/4/7 (56%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg&feature=emb_title

21/04/88
Bird - 44/10/3 (65.5%)
Jordan - 39/3/8 (51.5%)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdMjK-60H-k

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup *yawn*


Bird's record in this stretch? 9-1 while outperforming him in nearly every game. What makes this worse? Bird made Jordan look like a child when Jordan tried to guard him. Meanwhile the possessions I saw Bird guard Jordan, he defended him quite well (definitly wasn't gambling for steals to leave him open in the post).

Moreover, Jordan is 0-6 in the playoffs including this disaster in '87: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y (Jordan makes 0 shots in the 4th quarter...Bulls had a 7 point lead with 11 minutes left...but Bird showed up when it mattered while Jordan was no where to be seen)

3ball.


This is HoopsNY 2.0 post.

[light]

Boston was toying with the Bulls in the first round and finally decided to take them seriously in game 3. In other words, Chicago was not seeing a serious Celtics team for the first two games in the first round in 1986.

In game 3 they clamped down and Jordan was ineffective and that was the end of the season for MJ.

https://i.ibb.co/wS8kYZ7/Screen-Shot-2022-09-02-at-10-57-19-PM.png

[3ba11]

3ball.


This is HoopsNY 2.0 post.


Hoops posted more data showing that EVERYONE wins much more when they shoot less than 20 times - Lebron, Kobe, MJ

this occurs because these 1st options aren't pre-programmed robots that shoot a fixed amount every game - they shoot less when teammates have it going.. It's obvious that they'll win more when teammates have it going than otherwise

So there's no "Hoops" post - he was literally demolished about 80 times in that thread.. I taught him and you guys about basketball (players aren't robots and vary their FGA based on teammate performance)

[1987_Lakers]

Damn, this dude still has PTSD from his argument with HoopsNY.

[3ba11]

Damn, this dude still has PTSD from his argument with HoopsNY.


Hoops was destroyed

It's funny because his data showed that everyone wins much more when they shoot less (because teammates are playing great in those games), but no one's win rate was anywhere near Jordan..

Jordan was winning 72 and 69 games with no help - no other teammates were capable of elite production like say Kareem, Wade, AD, etc - no juggernauts.. no go-to teammates... no one else was capable of dominating ot taking over... Only MJ won a bunch of chips with a bunch of low producers

[Axe]

Hoops was destroyed

It's funny because his data showed that everyone wins much more when they shoot less (because teammates are playing great in those games), but no one's win rate was anywhere near Jordan..

Jordan was winning 72 and 69 games with no help - no other teammates were capable of elite production like say Kareem, Wade, AD, etc - no juggernauts.. no go-to teammates... no one else was capable of dominating ot taking over... Only MJ won a bunch of chips with a bunch of low producers
Why do you love to lie so much? You remind me a lot of your delusional disciple. :confusedshrug:

[3ba11]

Why do you love to lie so much? You remind me a lot of your delusional disciple. :confusedshrug:


What specifically is a lie?

Why are you so beta passive aggressive and afraid to get specific?

Is it because the facts are on my side, so you're just avoiding them?

[Axe]

55 > 40

[3ba11]

55 > 40


3-peat team > 2nd Round loser (2010)

or record loser (2014) - equal to a 1st Round Western team

So Lebron's teams were already 1st or 2nd Round teams when he left, while Jordan left a 3-peat dynasty

Pippen destroyed this dynasty to borderline lottery in 95' before MJ returned

[Axe]

The freaking reality is that if only the 86 bulls already had pippen during that time, then most likely they wouldn't have gotten swept bt. Tbf, the bulls weren't swept in the playoffs while he was actively playing for the team. :confusedshrug:

[3ba11]

The freaking reality is that if only the 86 bulls already had pippen during that time, then most likely they wouldn't have gotten swept bt. Tbf, the bulls weren't swept in the playoffs while he was actively playing for the team. :confusedshrug:


Lebron was swept many times and also beaten by record amount twice...

with veteran high seeds, title teans and super-teams

Otoh, Jordan was only swept with rookie 8 seeds, which were more competitive than Lebron's super-teams and title teams

[Axe]

Oh wow, moving the goalposts yet again as usual. Great job op. :facepalm

[3ba11]

Oh wow, moving the goalposts yet again as usual. Great job op. :facepalm


Lebron was beaten by worse with Wade/Bosh/Allen or a 3-time Eastern Conference champion (18' Cavs) than MJ was beaten with a 30-win 8 seed

Only you derailed the thread with irrelevant shit

[Axe]

Lebron was beaten by worse with Wade/Bosh/Allen or a 3-time Eastern Conference champion (18' Cavs) than MJ was beaten with a 30-win 8 seed

Only you derailed the thread with irrelevant shit
Umm pippen played for the bulls bt, you dickwad.

[kawhileonard2]

This makes sense. MJ was in year 2 and had a broken foot as well. Lebron stacked the deck twice and then was outclassed despite being the #1 or #2 favorite to win it all.